new tank recommendations

[K. Sher]

Hi everybody,

If you have read my previous post about the white spots, well, I'm still
having a bit of trouble with one lionhead that I got for returning the
oranda with problems, but the other oranda in the same tank is doing very
well. Right now I've still got 4 of them in a 29 gallon tank, so I'm going
to start cycling a new one now when the fish are still small. I will
probably move one or two fish into either a 10 or 20 gallon tank, together
with live plants. What plants are good with goldfish?

Locals stores have a 10 gallon starter set that comes with an undergravel
filter, and while this is the best $ deal, I've heard the undergravels don't
work very well with goldfish. My current 29 gallon is stable with the same
filters, but a smaller tank might run into problems? I've looked around and
there are a few choices, the fluval 2 plus, aquaclear or penguin in the
appropriate sizes. Which ones would you recommend? I need a set up that is
VERY quiet, since I will keep the new tank in my bedroom. The Maxima air
pump for the 29 gallon is way too noisy, and I don't know how noisy the
other types of filters are. I can either get a quiet filter type, or turn
the equipment off during the night. Is it safe to turn off filters and air
eq for about 12 hours every day? Will I need an air pump for oxygenating if
I get an aquaclear or penguin? I have a spare fluval 2 that comes with an
aerator part so I don't need to provide extra aeration.

[Mel]

I can't help with the choice of tank or filter as I'm in the UK so can't
make any suggestions, but I'd steer clear of undergravel filters. Also you
can't turn the filters etc off overnight as you will kill your bio-bugs and
end up having severe water quality problems.
Mel


"K. Sher" > wrote in message
news:I2g4c.783548$X%5.413029@pd7tw2no...
> Hi everybody,
>
> If you have read my previous post about the white spots, well, I'm still
> having a bit of trouble with one lionhead that I got for returning the
> oranda with problems, but the other oranda in the same tank is doing very
> well. Right now I've still got 4 of them in a 29 gallon tank, so I'm
going
> to start cycling a new one now when the fish are still small. I will
> probably move one or two fish into either a 10 or 20 gallon tank, together
> with live plants. What plants are good with goldfish?
>
> Locals stores have a 10 gallon starter set that comes with an undergravel
> filter, and while this is the best $ deal, I've heard the undergravels
don't
> work very well with goldfish. My current 29 gallon is stable with the same
> filters, but a smaller tank might run into problems? I've looked around
and
> there are a few choices, the fluval 2 plus, aquaclear or penguin in the
> appropriate sizes. Which ones would you recommend? I need a set up that
is
> VERY quiet, since I will keep the new tank in my bedroom. The Maxima air
> pump for the 29 gallon is way too noisy, and I don't know how noisy the
> other types of filters are. I can either get a quiet filter type, or turn
> the equipment off during the night. Is it safe to turn off filters and
air
> eq for about 12 hours every day? Will I need an air pump for oxygenating
if
> I get an aquaclear or penguin? I have a spare fluval 2 that comes with an
> aerator part so I don't need to provide extra aeration.
>
>

[Geezer From Freezer]

Don't turn filters off - your heading for trouble (dead fish).
undergravel filters are supposed to be that great.
I'd also suggest a 20 gallon, so you can put 2 of your smaller fish
together. Goldies seem to be happier with a pal!

[Jason Henning]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:12:56 GMT, "K. Sher" > wrote:

>Locals stores have a 10 gallon starter set that comes with an undergravel
>filter, and while this is the best $ deal, I've heard the undergravels don't
>work very well with goldfish.

Last time I was at Wal-Mart, they had a nice 10g starter set. It has a
hang-on-the-back filter. It was like $40.

Just an idea...

Cheers,
Jason Henning

[E.Otter]

As far as plants go, goldfish will eat almost most plants faster than you
can plant them. There are some exceptions. Java Ferns and Java Moss are
good plants for beginners and goldfish *generally* won't eat them.

E.Otter

[Morten]

"E.Otter" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> As far as plants go, goldfish will eat almost most plants faster than you
> can plant them. There are some exceptions. Java Ferns and Java Moss are
> good plants for beginners and goldfish *generally* won't eat them.

I will try to explain that to my goldfish, they have totally destroyed the
Java Fern i put in a few days ago (one of those attached to a bit of wood)

I haven't found ANY plants that are safe for goldfish yet (and it's not
because i dont feed them enough) but are open for suggestions :-)

Instead I put my plants in a seperate tank linked to the main tank via a
overflow / pump arangement, and since there are no fish in the planted tank
to tear them apart, they are thriving...


/Morten


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[Fred Verhulst]

Wow I love the idea now that's something I may look into down the
road...Enjoy the day freddie v
"Morten" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "E.Otter" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> > As far as plants go, goldfish will eat almost most plants faster than
you
> > can plant them. There are some exceptions. Java Ferns and Java Moss
are
> > good plants for beginners and goldfish *generally* won't eat them.
>
> I will try to explain that to my goldfish, they have totally destroyed the
> Java Fern i put in a few days ago (one of those attached to a bit of wood)
>
> I haven't found ANY plants that are safe for goldfish yet (and it's not
> because i dont feed them enough) but are open for suggestions :-)
>
> Instead I put my plants in a seperate tank linked to the main tank via a
> overflow / pump arangement, and since there are no fish in the planted
tank
> to tear them apart, they are thriving...
>
>
> /Morten
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