Sick Goldfish / Fantails

[Caveat Emptor]

Out of the 8 fish we bought 2.5 years ago, only one fantail remains. He is 5
inches long including the tail.The last fish died about 3 weeks ago. Swim
bladder infection by all accounts, swimming on its side and upside down
though showed no distress before his death.

We bought 5 new small fish so that the last fish wouldn't be lonely. They
are also fantails.

The old fish swims vertically, ie head up tail down. He is very furry -
white fur all over him. We have put him into a separate tank but feel he is
on his last fins.

The 5 new fish are about an inch long and they are starting to become furry
Tail and dorsal fins), and though they do come up to the surface for food
they stay at the bottom of the tank most of the time and do not swim around
very much.

Can I do anything to save these fish, or are they all doomed?

Thanks.

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EMERGENCY
1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
2. do the fish physical
3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons water
4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method

how big is the tank? do you have 10 gallons of water per fish?
you put new fish in with an old one, their disease is killing the old one. new fish
must be quarantined.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care1.htm#essentials
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
you need to do some reading. Ingrid

"Caveat Emptor" > wrote:

>Out of the 8 fish we bought 2.5 years ago, only one fantail remains. He is 5
>inches long including the tail.The last fish died about 3 weeks ago. Swim
>bladder infection by all accounts, swimming on its side and upside down
>though showed no distress before his death.
>
>We bought 5 new small fish so that the last fish wouldn't be lonely. They
>are also fantails.
>
>The old fish swims vertically, ie head up tail down. He is very furry -
>white fur all over him. We have put him into a separate tank but feel he is
>on his last fins.
>
>The 5 new fish are about an inch long and they are starting to become furry
>Tail and dorsal fins), and though they do come up to the surface for food
>they stay at the bottom of the tank most of the time and do not swim around
>very much.
>
>Can I do anything to save these fish, or are they all doomed?
>
>Thanks.
>



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[Caveat Emptor]

Thanks.

10 gallons per fish seems rather a lot. They are only small fish. Tank is
approx 25 gallons. So 5 gallons per fish. Fish are small.

Some people put a fish in a goldfish bowl, thats well under 1 gallon for a
fish!

Old fish is isolated but looks like will die soon. Used fin rot and white
spot treatments. The latter makes water go blue / turquoise, but measured
amunt accurately..

Done both as they may have both. Flaky fins and small white spots on body of
new fish. They were fine yesterday.

Water quality is OK.

What's a "fish physical"?


> wrote in message
...
> EMERGENCY
> 1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
> 2. do the fish physical
> 3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons
water
> 4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
> 5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
>
> how big is the tank? do you have 10 gallons of water per fish?
> you put new fish in with an old one, their disease is killing the old one.
new fish
> must be quarantined.
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care1.htm#essentials
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> you need to do some reading. Ingrid
>
> "Caveat Emptor" > wrote:
>
> >Out of the 8 fish we bought 2.5 years ago, only one fantail remains. He
is 5
> >inches long including the tail.The last fish died about 3 weeks ago. Swim
> >bladder infection by all accounts, swimming on its side and upside down
> >though showed no distress before his death.
> >
> >We bought 5 new small fish so that the last fish wouldn't be lonely. They
> >are also fantails.
> >
> >The old fish swims vertically, ie head up tail down. He is very furry -
> >white fur all over him. We have put him into a separate tank but feel he
is
> >on his last fins.
> >
> >The 5 new fish are about an inch long and they are starting to become
furry
> >Tail and dorsal fins), and though they do come up to the surface for food
> >they stay at the bottom of the tank most of the time and do not swim
around
> >very much.
> >
> >Can I do anything to save these fish, or are they all doomed?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[K. Sher]

10 gallons per fish is just a general rule. I find that it is more about
water quality than actual space since goldfish are way too dirty. Judging
from all your sick fish though, there must be something wrong with water. If
you did a 50% water change, try making daily changes of about 30%. Don't
feed the fish for a couple of days, or if you do, only feed a tiny amount.
They won't starve to death. Those medications can change the water color but
it is nothing to worry about. What kind of filter do you have for the 25
gallon tank? The furry stuff on your fish is fungus, which is different from
ick white spots.


"Caveat Emptor" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks.
>
> 10 gallons per fish seems rather a lot. They are only small fish. Tank is
> approx 25 gallons. So 5 gallons per fish. Fish are small.
>
> Some people put a fish in a goldfish bowl, thats well under 1 gallon for a
> fish!
>
> Old fish is isolated but looks like will die soon. Used fin rot and white
> spot treatments. The latter makes water go blue / turquoise, but measured
> amunt accurately..
>
> Done both as they may have both. Flaky fins and small white spots on body
of
> new fish. They were fine yesterday.
>
> Water quality is OK.
>
> What's a "fish physical"?
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > EMERGENCY
> > 1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
> > 2. do the fish physical
> > 3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons
> water
> > 4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
> > 5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
> >
> > how big is the tank? do you have 10 gallons of water per fish?
> > you put new fish in with an old one, their disease is killing the old
one.
> new fish
> > must be quarantined.
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care1.htm#essentials
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > you need to do some reading. Ingrid
> >
> > "Caveat Emptor" > wrote:
> >
> > >Out of the 8 fish we bought 2.5 years ago, only one fantail remains. He
> is 5
> > >inches long including the tail.The last fish died about 3 weeks ago.
Swim
> > >bladder infection by all accounts, swimming on its side and upside down
> > >though showed no distress before his death.
> > >
> > >We bought 5 new small fish so that the last fish wouldn't be lonely.
They
> > >are also fantails.
> > >
> > >The old fish swims vertically, ie head up tail down. He is very furry -
> > >white fur all over him. We have put him into a separate tank but feel
he
> is
> > >on his last fins.
> > >
> > >The 5 new fish are about an inch long and they are starting to become
> furry
> > >Tail and dorsal fins), and though they do come up to the surface for
food
> > >they stay at the bottom of the tank most of the time and do not swim
> around
> > >very much.
> > >
> > >Can I do anything to save these fish, or are they all doomed?
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
>

[Toni]

"Caveat Emptor" > wrote in message
news:Yp07c.21601>
> Some people put a fish in a goldfish bowl, thats well under 1 gallon for a
> fish!
>

If "some people" jumped off a bridge would that mean it's ok for you also??
<sorry couldn't resist>

>
> Water quality is OK.
>

Meaning you have actually tested, or you think they are ok?
Please test for ammonia & nitrites at least.
A good test kit can go a very long way towards helping you determoine
exactly what is going on.


> What's a "fish physical"?
>

She gave you some great links-
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care1.htm#essentials
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
you need to do some reading.

<g>


--
Toni
http://www.cearbhaill.com/goldfish.htm

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the goldfish in a bowl is a myth. it is not enough water to keep a GF nor does it
have filtration nor aeration to keep them healthy. once in a while a GF will live in
a bowl for a year or so. regular GF can live to be 40 or so.
but what are your water parameters?
look at the top here for the fish physical
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/disease.htm

do you really want help from us?


"Caveat Emptor" > wrote:
>Some people put a fish in a goldfish bowl, thats well under 1 gallon for a
>fish!
>Old fish is isolated but looks like will die soon. Used fin rot and white
>spot treatments. The latter makes water go blue / turquoise, but measured
>amunt accurately..>
>Done both as they may have both. Flaky fins and small white spots on body of
>new fish. They were fine yesterday.>
>Water quality is OK.>
>What's a "fish physical"?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Caveat Emptor]

> wrote in message
...
> the goldfish in a bowl is a myth. it is not enough water to keep a GF nor
does it
> have filtration nor aeration to keep them healthy. once in a while a GF
will live in
> a bowl for a year or so. regular GF can live to be 40 or so.
> but what are your water parameters?
> look at the top here for the fish physical
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/disease.htm
>
> do you really want help from us?
>

Help yes. Patronising comments, no.

[Geezer From Freezer]

Caveat Emptor wrote:
>
> Help yes. Patronising comments, no.

Nothing patronising that I could see. Definitely return some fish or get
a bigger tank!

[Kodiak]

If this guy ever gets flamed he's gonna have
a heart attack.
....Kodiak

"Geezer From Freezer" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Caveat Emptor wrote:
> >
> > Help yes. Patronising comments, no.
>
> Nothing patronising that I could see. Definitely return some fish or get
> a bigger tank!