Fancy goldfish for beginner?

[Adam Gottschalk]

I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks
ago I complained that the water was still a touch cloudy and my local
aquarium store guy told me to put some "feeder" goldfish in there to set
it up and then swap those out for a couple of fancy ones after a week or
two. Things are fine, water's clear, and the fish are happy. I've done
one partial change since they went in, and will do another tomorrow.

I know that the googley-eyed goldies are supposed to be troublesome as
their eyes can get hurt; I don't much like those anyway. When I asked
the fellow at the store about the beautiful Oranda they had, he said my
tank was too small. Recommendations for a pair of goldfish for a
15-gallon High tank, open top, underneath a skylight?

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a couple feeder GF. the UGF should be pulled and a good sized whisper put on it.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care1.htm#essentials


Adam Gottschalk > wrote:

>
>I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks
>ago I complained that the water was still a touch cloudy and my local
>aquarium store guy told me to put some "feeder" goldfish in there to set
>it up and then swap those out for a couple of fancy ones after a week or
>two. Things are fine, water's clear, and the fish are happy. I've done
>one partial change since they went in, and will do another tomorrow.
>
>I know that the googley-eyed goldies are supposed to be troublesome as
>their eyes can get hurt; I don't much like those anyway. When I asked
>the fellow at the store about the beautiful Oranda they had, he said my
>tank was too small. Recommendations for a pair of goldfish for a
>15-gallon High tank, open top, underneath a skylight?



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[Elizabeth Naime]

Quoth on Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:39:16 GMT,

>a couple feeder GF. the UGF should be pulled and a good sized whisper put on it.

!?! Surely this was a typo? Feeders are usually comets (maybe commons in
some places) and will get far too large for a 15H, don't you think?
>
>
>Adam Gottschalk > wrote:
>
>>I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks



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but they are hardier!!!

Elizabeth Naime > wrote:

>Quoth on Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:39:16 GMT,
>
>>a couple feeder GF. the UGF should be pulled and a good sized whisper put on it.
>
>!?! Surely this was a typo? Feeders are usually comets (maybe commons in
>some places) and will get far too large for a 15H, don't you think?
>>
>>
>>Adam Gottschalk > wrote:
>>
>>>I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks
>
>
>
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>Only know that there is no spork.



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[GamePlayer No. 1058]

In the long run you're going to need a larger tank for 2 goldfish. But
certainly you can put two orandas in a 15 gallon tank for a while till they
get too big or you get tired of doing water changes to keep the water
quality acceptible to the fish.

I have two orandas in a 12 gallon eclipse and do weekly 30% water changes
and they are fine, they are SMALL, but they are fine, when mine get too
large for this tank, then I'll have another tank setup that can house them.

Seems the general concensus is that you need 10 gallons of water per
goldfish, and of course it also depends on the shape of the tank. I had my
two in a JBJ nanocube for a while, but felt sorry for them since it really
didnt offer any real swimming room, so I moved them to a eclipse 12 gallon
tank that I had laying around and now at their current small size, they have
lots of swimming room. Eventually though they will need a minimum of 20
gallons, and preferably a 40 gallon tank to keep the amonia, nitrites,
nitrates etc down.

Just get one, he should be okay in that size tank (for a while anyway).

"Adam Gottschalk" > wrote in message
...
>
> I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks
> ago I complained that the water was still a touch cloudy and my local
> aquarium store guy told me to put some "feeder" goldfish in there to set
> it up and then swap those out for a couple of fancy ones after a week or
> two. Things are fine, water's clear, and the fish are happy. I've done
> one partial change since they went in, and will do another tomorrow.
>
> I know that the googley-eyed goldies are supposed to be troublesome as
> their eyes can get hurt; I don't much like those anyway. When I asked
> the fellow at the store about the beautiful Oranda they had, he said my
> tank was too small. Recommendations for a pair of goldfish for a
> 15-gallon High tank, open top, underneath a skylight?

[Adam Gottschalk]

In article >,
"GamePlayer No. 1058" > wrote:

> In the long run you're going to need a larger tank for 2 goldfish. But
> certainly you can put two orandas in a 15 gallon tank for a while till they
> get too big or you get tired of doing water changes to keep the water
> quality acceptible to the fish.
>
> I have two orandas in a 12 gallon eclipse and do weekly 30% water changes
> and they are fine, they are SMALL, but they are fine, when mine get too
> large for this tank, then I'll have another tank setup that can house them.
>
> Seems the general concensus is that you need 10 gallons of water per
> goldfish, and of course it also depends on the shape of the tank. I had my
> two in a JBJ nanocube for a while, but felt sorry for them since it really
> didnt offer any real swimming room, so I moved them to a eclipse 12 gallon
> tank that I had laying around and now at their current small size, they have
> lots of swimming room. Eventually though they will need a minimum of 20
> gallons, and preferably a 40 gallon tank to keep the amonia, nitrites,
> nitrates etc down.
>
> Just get one, he should be okay in that size tank (for a while anyway).

Cheers. I think I will get just one. I'm okay with weekly water changes.
I was worried a lone goldfish might be lonely, but I gather that's not
the case. I'm in the process of setting up a 40g tank (40H) that will be
a planted community tank. I like the idea of having a simple,
"old-fashioned" tank for the goldfish, no frills, no heater, no light
(it's right under a northern skylight). I read the online bit about
research in China showing goldfish could do better with heaters, but the
water at room temperature for me will very very rarely if ever go below
70 degrees, and not much if below if any.

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Adam,

Fish do get lonely. They do better with a friend

[GamePlayer No. 1058]

"Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
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>
> Adam,
>
> Fish do get lonely. They do better with a friend

I dont honestly know if thats the case or not, I do know there are some fish
like Oscars who seem to want to interact more with their owners if they are
the lone fish in the tank, which is rather nice. I've seen many goldfish
that stay kind of seperated. Like at my local chinese resteraunt, they have
a nice tank and the huge goldfish pretty much dont swim together as if they
are interacting. I've found that when my 2 were in the JBJ nanocube they
pretty much stayed as a pair (of course there really wasnt much room for
them to be apart), now that there in the other tank, I often find them
seperately and only seem to come together if I walk up to the tank (I assume
they come together at that point because they think they are going to be
fed).

[Geezer From The Freezer]

"GamePlayer No. 1058" wrote:
>
> "Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Adam,
> >
> > Fish do get lonely. They do better with a friend
>
> I dont honestly know if thats the case or not, I do know there are some fish
> like Oscars who seem to want to interact more with their owners if they are
> the lone fish in the tank, which is rather nice. I've seen many goldfish
> that stay kind of seperated. Like at my local chinese resteraunt, they have
> a nice tank and the huge goldfish pretty much dont swim together as if they
> are interacting. I've found that when my 2 were in the JBJ nanocube they
> pretty much stayed as a pair (of course there really wasnt much room for
> them to be apart), now that there in the other tank, I often find them
> seperately and only seem to come together if I walk up to the tank (I assume
> they come together at that point because they think they are going to be
> fed).


I have 11 fancy goldfish, and believe me, when you seperate them, they look lost
and depressed. When they initially live on their own, they look depressed, once
you add them with others they perk up - I relate this behaviour to loneliness.