Siamese Dolls

[Adam Gottschalk]

Went into my aquarium store today (the "lesser" of two local ones) and
they had in stock a number of Siamese Dolls. Some were albinos with red
eyes and yellow-gold coloring. I got two fantail calico that have the
look of Ryukin. The thing is, these being for my 15H aquarium, I got
them because I was told they don't grow any bigger than 1.5". Reckoning
that's probably an under-estimate, even if they get to be twice that, I
should be all right, right? They look very nice, and have a deep orange
inside the head area, under the skin. At the shop, I saw some of these
fantail ones nipping at the tails of the plainer albino ones, which I
thought was odd. I would've thought it would be the opposite way.

[Toni]

"Adam Gottschalk" > wrote in message
...
>
> I got two fantail calico that have the
> look of Ryukin. The thing is, these being for my 15H aquarium, I got
> them because I was told they don't grow any bigger than 1.5". Reckoning
> that's probably an under-estimate, even if they get to be twice that, I
> should be all right, right?



1.5 inches?
They'll be that big in one month.
Never never never take a LFS employees word for anything- always do your own
research before you purchase the animal!

You are needing a larger aquarium asap.


--
Toni
http://www.cearbhaill.com/goldfish.htm

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the siamese dolls do indeed stay small. I put them out in my pond and they live 4
years, but never grew much over 2.5-3 inches. Ingrid

"Toni" > wrote:

>
>"Adam Gottschalk" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I got two fantail calico that have the
>> look of Ryukin. The thing is, these being for my 15H aquarium, I got
>> them because I was told they don't grow any bigger than 1.5". Reckoning
>> that's probably an under-estimate, even if they get to be twice that, I
>> should be all right, right?
>
>
>
>1.5 inches?
>They'll be that big in one month.
>Never never never take a LFS employees word for anything- always do your own
>research before you purchase the animal!
>
>You are needing a larger aquarium asap.



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[Adam Gottschalk]

In article >,
wrote:

> the siamese dolls do indeed stay small. I put them out in my pond and they
> live 4
> years, but never grew much over 2.5-3 inches. Ingrid

If they only grew that big in a pond, I'm betting I can count on them to
stay even smaller than that in my 15H tank. I do have a larger, 40H,
tank, but that one is not for goldfish.

Never having had a fancy goldfish before, I must say I find the way
these fan-tail types, with the caudal fin horizontal to the body, swim
fascinating. At first after acclimation to my tank, it appeared to me
they coudn't really swim very well (the way some poor inbred goldfish
cannot, or can't see, ugh), but it now appears they can swim very very
swiftly when they want to, and in fact they can do some pretty crazy
maneuvering. They can swim straight backwards, I mean straight. They
frequently will do acrobatic twists and turns while lollygagging around
the tank. Sometimes they look a lot like birds swimming in water. :-)

Hi, I have had fish ponds for over 8 years . I have always had Koi and am
wanting to have a pond with fantails only. Dr. Ingrid, any suggestions on
types and special care. Thanks!! Mike
or recommendations I make.

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thank you for giving your GF their own pond. I separated mine on recommendation of
the GF Guru.
the major consideration is protection from predation. GF especially fancy ones are
easy pickings for every animal with fish on the menu because they are slow and showy.

for 3 years my ponds were well protected in a greenhouse and then 55" of snow brought
the greenhouse down. I really need to put screening during summer and plastic during
winter to keep leaves and junk out of the pond. I use a big aerator to keep the
water oxygenated.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/hopepond/page1/pp1.htm
the pond is 6 feet across and 22 feet long (I think). it is 3 feet deep on one side,
1.5 feet deep to the shelf for lilies.

now, if you are talking about types of fantails... well. tell me what zone you are
in. Ingrid

> wrote:
>Hi, I have had fish ponds for over 8 years . I have always had Koi and am
>wanting to have a pond with fantails only. Dr. Ingrid, any suggestions on
>types and special care. Thanks!! Mike
>or recommendations I make.
>



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Hi Ingrid, Thank for your help.Types of FanTails well, I live in Zone 6
Southern Illinois(about 50 miles from the most Southern tip of Illinois)
> wrote in message
...
> thank you for giving your GF their own pond. I separated mine on
recommendation of
> the GF Guru.
> the major consideration is protection from predation. GF especially fancy
ones are
> easy pickings for every animal with fish on the menu because they are slow
and showy.
>
> for 3 years my ponds were well protected in a greenhouse and then 55" of
snow brought
> the greenhouse down. I really need to put screening during summer and
plastic during
> winter to keep leaves and junk out of the pond. I use a big aerator to
keep the
> water oxygenated.
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/hopepond/page1/pp1.htm
> the pond is 6 feet across and 22 feet long (I think). it is 3 feet deep
on one side,
> 1.5 feet deep to the shelf for lilies.
>
> now, if you are talking about types of fantails... well. tell me what
zone you are
> in. Ingrid
>
> > wrote:
> >Hi, I have had fish ponds for over 8 years . I have always had Koi and
am
> >wanting to have a pond with fantails only. Dr. Ingrid, any suggestions
on
> >types and special care. Thanks!! Mike
> >or recommendations I make.
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

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OK.. so it does get cold. well. there are "pond fantails".. they are longer not
quite so deep and round as the fanciest of the fancies. there are moors and
shubunkins (single tails) that do well in a pond.
it is most important to keep a hole open in the ice over winter and provide a big air
stone and aeration. GF dont quiet down like koi when the temp drops below 45oF.
they keep bopping around, some people even see them thru clear ice. they cannot be
fed with the temp under 55oF, in fact, I wouldnt want to try to feed em until 65oF.
let them nibble on the algae until it really warms up and then feed very lightly.
Ingrid

> wrote:
>Hi Ingrid, Thank for your help.Types of FanTails well, I live in Zone 6
>Southern Illinois(about 50 miles from the most Southern tip of Illinois)


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[Ami .]

I live in an area where it snows. My dream is to one day have a heated
greenhouse that would have a pond, plants and flowers:)

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me too... but in the meantime I just plastic over my pond and heat the water.
actually I had the greenhouse over my ponds but 55" of snow in 2 days collapsed it...
sigh. Ingrid

(Ami .) wrote:

>I live in an area where it snows. My dream is to one day have a heated
>greenhouse that would have a pond, plants and flowers:)



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Thanks for the clarification. {:O) I may get one or two weeks when the pond
freezes over. I always keep a hole open in the ice. I look forward to
getting some fish in this new pond. I make my own large
bio-plant/mechanical filters. The plant I use is water parsley which is a
perennial here. It forms a thick root mat that filters well.
Again..Thanks!! Mike
> wrote in message
...
> OK.. so it does get cold. well. there are "pond fantails".. they are
longer not
> quite so deep and round as the fanciest of the fancies. there are moors
and
> shubunkins (single tails) that do well in a pond.
> it is most important to keep a hole open in the ice over winter and
provide a big air
> stone and aeration. GF dont quiet down like koi when the temp drops below
45oF.
> they keep bopping around, some people even see them thru clear ice. they
cannot be
> fed with the temp under 55oF, in fact, I wouldnt want to try to feed em
until 65oF.
> let them nibble on the algae until it really warms up and then feed very
lightly.
> Ingrid
>
> > wrote:
> >Hi Ingrid, Thank for your help.Types of FanTails well, I live in Zone 6
> >Southern Illinois(about 50 miles from the most Southern tip of Illinois)
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.