help me geezer and dr. solo

[AfricanCichlid Addict]

geezer and dr. solo
i need your help. i have a 125 gallon tank with a 25 watt U.V.
sterilizer, two fluval 404's, an underground filter system with two
powerheads.
my problem is that i have 13 fancy goldfish in this tank and they are
doing great. the water is sparkling clean, the fish are healthy and all
my water parameters are perfect.
should i get rid on one of my goldfish since i am exceeding my one fish
for 10 gallon rule?? how do i decide which fish must go??? this tank
has been running for two years and there has never been a loss of life.
also should i remove my gravel (in almost 40 years of keeping fish i
have NEVER had one choke on gravel nor have i had toxic outbreaks). i
vacuum every other week and do 30% water changes every other week. i
can't imagine how pretty my tank will be without gravel.....the fish
love sifting through it and it does look nice.
any advice would be appreciated.
thanks,
overstocked in phoenix

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the more experienced a fish keeper is the more rules they can break and get away with
it. Not that it doesnt catch up with even the best. Rules are for newbies, they are
for people who got less than perfect water, for people with other problems. Even
newbies can get away with breaking a lot of rules too... for a while. Ingrid

(AfricanCichlid Addict) wrote:
i have a 125 gallon tank with a 25 watt U.V.
>sterilizer, two fluval 404's, an underground filter system with two
>powerheads.
>my problem is that i have 13 fancy goldfish in this tank and they are
>doing great. the water is sparkling clean, the fish are healthy and all
>my water parameters are perfect.
>should i get rid on one of my goldfish since i am exceeding my one fish
>for 10 gallon rule?? how do i decide which fish must go??? this tank
>has been running for two years and there has never been a loss of life.
>also should i remove my gravel (in almost 40 years of keeping fish i
>have NEVER had one choke on gravel nor have i had toxic outbreaks). i
>vacuum every other week and do 30% water changes every other week. i
>can't imagine how pretty my tank will be without gravel.....the fish
>love sifting through it and it does look nice.
>any advice would be appreciated.
>thanks,
>overstocked in phoenix



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[Ami .]

<<<(in almost 40 years of keeping fish i have NEVER had one choke on
gravel>>>

I had a scare last week when I came home from work and found my favorite
goldfish, a big round 4-inch pearlscale, facedown floating in the
gravel. I turned him around and saw that his mouth was stuck open in an
O position. He was struggling to breathe.

I quickly realized that the problem was a large river rock stuck in his
mouth. I took him out the tank, used a pair of tweezers and tugged the
rock out of his mouth. I was shocked when I saw that he had managed to
wedge a rock the size of a dime into his mouth. I have no idea how long
the rock had been stuck in his mouth, but he was fine when I left the
house..

I thought that the river rocks would be safe because they are not as
small as gravel. Anyhow, he's fine now and swimming around with his
tankmate, a smaller pearlscale. I hope he's learned his lesson about
trying to swallow large objects!

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they scoop gravel then suction to get the food... and they are after food there is
little in the learning area that is going to occur that is negative. their wanting
food over rides nasty consequences. Ingrid

(Ami .) wrote:
. I hope he's learned his lesson about
>trying to swallow large objects!
>
>



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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[E.Otter]

Dude I would kill for a setup like yours and a "problem" like that. With
that setup, the work you are putting into mainting it, and the success you
are achieving, I would not call that overstocking. Keep all your fish. If
there is a problem, its the natural tendancy to overthink something and fix
things that ain't broke.
E.Otter

[Donald K]

E.Otter wrote:

> Dude I would kill for a setup like yours and a "problem" like that.
> With that setup, the work you are putting into mainting it, and the
> success you
> are achieving, I would not call that overstocking. Keep all your
> fish. If there is a problem, its the natural tendancy to overthink
> something and fix things that ain't broke.
> E.Otter

Being most charitable, I would say that the OP is having mild fun with
us...

-D
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"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy
enough people to make it worth the effort." -Herm Albright

[johnhuddleston]

Oh my god, i hate when people overstock, it makes me want to cry and perform
self harm! People like you shouldn`t be allowed to eat fish, let alone care
for them! My advice would be to carefully pack everything (including the
gravel, fish and water). Then send it all to...

F.A.G.S (federation against goldfish sadism)
p.o.box 39
birmingham
b1 2jp

I will perform a number of tests on the equipment FOR FREE and tell you to
the nearest inch how much fish your tank can support so nothing like this
ever happens again. I know that you are evil but i think of myself as a good
samaritan, you need my help you dispicable piece of a leaches arse.

"AfricanCichlid Addict" > wrote in message
...
> geezer and dr. solo
> i need your help. i have a 125 gallon tank with a 25 watt U.V.
> sterilizer, two fluval 404's, an underground filter system with two
> powerheads.
> my problem is that i have 13 fancy goldfish in this tank and they are
> doing great. the water is sparkling clean, the fish are healthy and all
> my water parameters are perfect.
> should i get rid on one of my goldfish since i am exceeding my one fish
> for 10 gallon rule?? how do i decide which fish must go??? this tank
> has been running for two years and there has never been a loss of life.
> also should i remove my gravel (in almost 40 years of keeping fish i
> have NEVER had one choke on gravel nor have i had toxic outbreaks). i
> vacuum every other week and do 30% water changes every other week. i
> can't imagine how pretty my tank will be without gravel.....the fish
> love sifting through it and it does look nice.
> any advice would be appreciated.
> thanks,
> overstocked in phoenix
>

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It was his way of saying the rules are stupid. Ingrid

"E.Otter" > wrote:
>Dude I would kill for a setup like yours and a "problem" like that.



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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Geezer From The Freezer]

I agree with Ingrid.
13 in a 125 is fine, although I'd get rid of the gravel and up the
water changes to 30% every week.

[AfricanCichlid Addict]

geezer
you really are from another planet and need to go back to the freezer.
i sit here and laugh when i read some of the advice you give these poor
folks.

[Magic menagerie]

I tool the gravel out of our tank last year... The fish were getting too big
for the gravel, and the levels were harder to control. I put in coloured
marbles. It gives nice colours and the fish love pushing them around and
playing with them....

[Geezer From The Freezer]

AfricanCichlid Addict wrote:
>
> geezer
> you really are from another planet and need to go back to the freezer.
> i sit here and laugh when i read some of the advice you give these poor
> folks.

Why so? What was so ubelievable about my post? Please elaborate.

[Donald K]

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:

>
>
> AfricanCichlid Addict wrote:
>>
>> geezer
>> you really are from another planet and need to go back to the
>> freezer. i sit here and laugh when i read some of the advice you give
>> these poor folks.
>
> Why so? What was so ubelievable about my post? Please elaborate.

Don't feed the troll.
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