Dropsy? Part 2 - top down photo. Bad news?

[Edward Haworth]

I just tried to take another photo this time from above the fish. I'm
much more concerned now.

FWIW water parameters are fine, nitrate a little high but it was due a
change and I've just done a 30%.


http://www.apso12.dsl.pipex.com/fish5.jpg


Cheers,
Ed

[blove]

i got this from http://fins.actwin.com

Dropsy
Fish swells up like a balloon and may show popeyes. It may recover with no
treatment and may die despite it. The swelling is because the fish is
absorbing water faster than it can eliminate it, and it can be caused by
many different problems. High nitrates are one thing to check. Internal
bacterial infections, including fish TB, are other possibilities. If there
are no water quality problems, you may want to attempt antibiotic treatment
in a separate tank.

and this is from http://www.petfish.net

Look For: Drastically swollen body with raised scales giving the appearance
of a pinecone

Causes: Usually a symptom of internal organ failure, maybe brought on by old
age, poor water conditions or a combination of conditions.

Prevention And Cure: Clean water, proper feeding and the possible addition
of a teaspoon of salt per gallon might help prevent this disease. In my
experience the treatment for this disease is not effective, I advise
quarantining the infected fish to prevent further infections to other fish
and possibly euthanasia. Some people have reported successfully treating
Dropsy with Maracin II .

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yes, that is dropsy.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/symptom/byname.htm#dropsy

READ IT ALL!!!! and get the heat up to 84oF!!!!

Ingrid

Edward Haworth > wrote:

>I just tried to take another photo this time from above the fish. I'm
>much more concerned now.
>
>FWIW water parameters are fine, nitrate a little high but it was due a
>change and I've just done a 30%.
>
>
>http://www.apso12.dsl.pipex.com/fish5.jpg
>
>
>Cheers,
>Ed



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they dont know what they are talking about. there is treatment. in this case DO NOT
COMBINE TREATMENTS. Jo Ann Burke developed the treatment THAT WORKS and you must
absolutely remove the regular salt from the tank. NO REGULAR SALT. only add the
epsom salt as indicated.
the water must be well aerated, it must be kept pristine. and the temp must be 84oF,
not 83, not 83.5...... 84oF. and feed antibiotic food. kanamycin in the water if
you cant get the food. or soak the food in kanamycin.
the sooner you start treatment, the faster the fish will respond. usually 5 days into
treatment the scales come down. but you MUST keep the treatment up for 30 days at
least. there is no reason to quarantine the fish if it is with others. best is
leaving it with fish it gets along with, in a larger tank.
quarantine or hospital tanks should be twice as big as regular tanks... which means
big rubbermaid containers. sick fish need more clean water than healthy ones.
putting a sick fish into a small 10 gallon tank means poorer water quality and
unhealthier conditions. Ingrid


"blove" > wrote:

>i got this from http://fins.actwin.com
>and this is from http://www.petfish.net


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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Magic menagerie]

DO NOT USE Maracyn, or Maracyn II. We did, and the fish died anyway AND we
were out a truckload of money for meds that didn't work anyway....

[Edward Haworth]

Ingrid I don't doubt that you have cured dropsy, but it doesn't follow
you can do so 100% of the time. Anyway your level of skill and
equipment is simply unavailable to the average keeper. I can't afford
a water heater never mind a double size hospital tank. Medicated
foods are not available 'over the counter' in the UK and I am
reluctant to mess around with antibiotics in a hap hazard manner.

If you can advise on a UK supplier / contact I'd be grateful.,
Cheers,
Ed

On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:52:22 GMT, wrote:

>they dont know what they are talking about. there is treatment. in this case DO NOT
>COMBINE TREATMENTS. Jo Ann Burke developed the treatment THAT WORKS and you must
>absolutely remove the regular salt from the tank. NO REGULAR SALT. only add the
>epsom salt as indicated.
>the water must be well aerated, it must be kept pristine. and the temp must be 84oF,
>not 83, not 83.5...... 84oF. and feed antibiotic food. kanamycin in the water if
>you cant get the food. or soak the food in kanamycin.
>the sooner you start treatment, the faster the fish will respond. usually 5 days into
>treatment the scales come down. but you MUST keep the treatment up for 30 days at
>least. there is no reason to quarantine the fish if it is with others. best is
>leaving it with fish it gets along with, in a larger tank.
>quarantine or hospital tanks should be twice as big as regular tanks... which means
>big rubbermaid containers. sick fish need more clean water than healthy ones.
>putting a sick fish into a small 10 gallon tank means poorer water quality and
>unhealthier conditions. Ingrid
>
>
>"blove" > wrote:
>
>>i got this from http://fins.actwin.com
>>and this is from http://www.petfish.net
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>www.drsolo.com
>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>endorsements or recommendations I make.

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an aquarium heater is 10-15 bucks.
epsom salts is drugstore stuff... a couple bucks
a rubbermaid tub is 5-8 bucks and doubles as a container for fish stuff when not in
use. the heat and epsom is the major component of treating dropsy.
I would advise people in other countries to order a bit of romet B to have on hand
if you cannot get any antibiotics to make your own.
no, it isnt possible to cure 100% of dropsy cases... but most people still believe
that dropsy is incurable when it isnt.
Ingrid

Edward Haworth > wrote:
>Ingrid I don't doubt that you have cured dropsy, but it doesn't follow
>you can do so 100% of the time. Anyway your level of skill and
>equipment is simply unavailable to the average keeper. I can't afford
>a water heater never mind a double size hospital tank. Medicated
>foods are not available 'over the counter' in the UK and I am
>reluctant to mess around with antibiotics in a hap hazard manner.
>
>If you can advise on a UK supplier / contact I'd be grateful.,
>Cheers,
>Ed


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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.