View Full Version : Help! Butterfly KOI Sick, Swims kind of in a weird way
Kodiak
May 22nd 04, 07:19 PM
I have four 2" Butterfly KOI in a 33 gallon tank, The tank is overstocked,
but it's temporary and i do at least two water changes a week.
I missed a water change last week, and one of the KOI started swimming
in a weird way, it's hard to describe, but it seems like he was partly
paralyzed,
like he had a hard time moving certain parts of his body, swimming kind of
erratically.
The other fish were all fine, but they were chasing and nipping at his tail
wich seemed
to be disintegrating. Why did they do that?
Here are the water parameters in the 33gallon just when this happened;
Temp 78
PH 6.0 (I know this is bad)
Ammo 0.1
Nitrite 0.0
Nitrate <10
GH 60ppm (a bit low)
Salt 0.1%
I immediately moved him alone in a 55gallon hospital tank. I do 50% water
changes
with Temp matched aged water, and 1ml/gallon dechlorinator every 2nd day.
It 5 days now my KOI won't eat, he sits on the bottom, dosen't move much,
what should i do? Temp is 75,
Should I raise temp?
Should I lower Salt?
Is a sick fishtail tastey? (why did they nip at him?)
--
....Kodiak
call Jo Ann 1-251-649-4790
"Kodiak" > wrote:
>I have four 2" Butterfly KOI in a 33 gallon tank, The tank is overstocked,
>but it's temporary and i do at least two water changes a week.
>I missed a water change last week, and one of the KOI started swimming
>in a weird way, it's hard to describe, but it seems like he was partly
>paralyzed,
>like he had a hard time moving certain parts of his body, swimming kind of
>erratically.
>The other fish were all fine, but they were chasing and nipping at his tail
>wich seemed
>to be disintegrating. Why did they do that?
>
>Here are the water parameters in the 33gallon just when this happened;
>Temp 78
>PH 6.0 (I know this is bad)
>Ammo 0.1
>Nitrite 0.0
>Nitrate <10
>GH 60ppm (a bit low)
>Salt 0.1%
>
>I immediately moved him alone in a 55gallon hospital tank. I do 50% water
>changes
>with Temp matched aged water, and 1ml/gallon dechlorinator every 2nd day.
>It 5 days now my KOI won't eat, he sits on the bottom, dosen't move much,
>what should i do? Temp is 75,
>Should I raise temp?
>Should I lower Salt?
>Is a sick fishtail tastey? (why did they nip at him?)
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Kodiak
May 27th 04, 06:55 AM
Hi Ingrid,
Called Jo-Ann... She seems to think it's Neural Toxicity or some kind of
parasite.
Something about Aeromonas at temps above 75degF. She also recommended 1
tblsp
of Epsom Salt wich i did (55gallon hospital tank, Aquaclear 500, Huge
airstone, 72degF)
I lowered the temp from 78.
I'm thinking it's Neural Toxicity because my PH seems to be crashing when
this happened.
I'm still doing 50% water every other day, But he hasn't eaten for over a
week now. Sometimes
he'll go for a flake or two when it falls right under his nose, but that's
it.
What more can I do? Please help, I really love this fish.
....Kodiak
> wrote in message
...
> call Jo Ann 1-251-649-4790
>
> "Kodiak" > wrote:
>
> >I have four 2" Butterfly KOI in a 33 gallon tank, The tank is
overstocked,
> >but it's temporary and i do at least two water changes a week.
> >I missed a water change last week, and one of the KOI started swimming
> >in a weird way, it's hard to describe, but it seems like he was partly
> >paralyzed,
> >like he had a hard time moving certain parts of his body, swimming kind
of
> >erratically.
> >The other fish were all fine, but they were chasing and nipping at his
tail
> >wich seemed
> >to be disintegrating. Why did they do that?
> >
> >Here are the water parameters in the 33gallon just when this happened;
> >Temp 78
> >PH 6.0 (I know this is bad)
> >Ammo 0.1
> >Nitrite 0.0
> >Nitrate <10
> >GH 60ppm (a bit low)
> >Salt 0.1%
> >
> >I immediately moved him alone in a 55gallon hospital tank. I do 50% water
> >changes
> >with Temp matched aged water, and 1ml/gallon dechlorinator every 2nd day.
> >It 5 days now my KOI won't eat, he sits on the bottom, dosen't move much,
> >what should i do? Temp is 75,
> >Should I raise temp?
> >Should I lower Salt?
> >Is a sick fishtail tastey? (why did they nip at him?)
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.
look in his mouth see if that is swollen. koi can go for a couple weeks easily with
no food, probably a lot longer. as long as he is swimming ok dont worry.
if the mouth looks swollen suspect columnaris and a salt dip will bring the swelling
down. but do call Jo Ann back for her expert help. 1-251-649-4790
along with neural toxicity his "smeller" may be screwed up. so he may not be able to
determine it is "food" and they spit it out. try something stronger like a drop of
garlic juice on the food, or even fish sauce or a little shrimp juice. Ingrid
"Kodiak" > wrote:
>Hi Ingrid,
> Called Jo-Ann... She seems to think it's Neural Toxicity or some kind of
>parasite.
>Something about Aeromonas at temps above 75degF. She also recommended 1
>tblsp
>of Epsom Salt wich i did (55gallon hospital tank, Aquaclear 500, Huge
>airstone, 72degF)
>I lowered the temp from 78.
>
> I'm thinking it's Neural Toxicity because my PH seems to be crashing when
>this happened.
>I'm still doing 50% water every other day, But he hasn't eaten for over a
>week now. Sometimes
>he'll go for a flake or two when it falls right under his nose, but that's
>it.
>What more can I do? Please help, I really love this fish.
>
>...Kodiak
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.
Kodiak
May 28th 04, 03:45 PM
His Mouth looks ok.
I'm keeping up the water changes (50% every other day),
lowered the temp a bit more to 70degF. He still sits on the bottom,
but that paralyzed like swimming seems to be gone, he seems to
be swimming more normally now. And he's going for more flakes.
This morning he had about 10 flakes!... I hope he's gonna make it.
...Kodiak
> wrote in message
...
> look in his mouth see if that is swollen. koi can go for a couple weeks
easily with
> no food, probably a lot longer. as long as he is swimming ok dont worry.
> if the mouth looks swollen suspect columnaris and a salt dip will bring
the swelling
> down. but do call Jo Ann back for her expert help. 1-251-649-4790
> along with neural toxicity his "smeller" may be screwed up. so he may not
be able to
> determine it is "food" and they spit it out. try something stronger like
a drop of
> garlic juice on the food, or even fish sauce or a little shrimp juice.
Ingrid
>
> "Kodiak" > wrote:
>
> >Hi Ingrid,
> > Called Jo-Ann... She seems to think it's Neural Toxicity or some kind
of
> >parasite.
> >Something about Aeromonas at temps above 75degF. She also recommended 1
> >tblsp
> >of Epsom Salt wich i did (55gallon hospital tank, Aquaclear 500, Huge
> >airstone, 72degF)
> >I lowered the temp from 78.
> >
> > I'm thinking it's Neural Toxicity because my PH seems to be crashing
when
> >this happened.
> >I'm still doing 50% water every other day, But he hasn't eaten for over a
> >week now. Sometimes
> >he'll go for a flake or two when it falls right under his nose, but
that's
> >it.
> >What more can I do? Please help, I really love this fish.
> >
> >...Kodiak
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.
sounds good. it does take time. you got a little salt in there? Ingrid
"Kodiak" > wrote:
>His Mouth looks ok.
>I'm keeping up the water changes (50% every other day),
>lowered the temp a bit more to 70degF. He still sits on the bottom,
>but that paralyzed like swimming seems to be gone, he seems to
>be swimming more normally now. And he's going for more flakes.
>This morning he had about 10 flakes!... I hope he's gonna make it.
>..Kodiak
>
> wrote in message
...
>> look in his mouth see if that is swollen. koi can go for a couple weeks
>easily with
>> no food, probably a lot longer. as long as he is swimming ok dont worry.
>> if the mouth looks swollen suspect columnaris and a salt dip will bring
>the swelling
>> down. but do call Jo Ann back for her expert help. 1-251-649-4790
>> along with neural toxicity his "smeller" may be screwed up. so he may not
>be able to
>> determine it is "food" and they spit it out. try something stronger like
>a drop of
>> garlic juice on the food, or even fish sauce or a little shrimp juice.
>Ingrid
>>
>> "Kodiak" > wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Ingrid,
>> > Called Jo-Ann... She seems to think it's Neural Toxicity or some kind
>of
>> >parasite.
>> >Something about Aeromonas at temps above 75degF. She also recommended 1
>> >tblsp
>> >of Epsom Salt wich i did (55gallon hospital tank, Aquaclear 500, Huge
>> >airstone, 72degF)
>> >I lowered the temp from 78.
>> >
>> > I'm thinking it's Neural Toxicity because my PH seems to be crashing
>when
>> >this happened.
>> >I'm still doing 50% water every other day, But he hasn't eaten for over a
>> >week now. Sometimes
>> >he'll go for a flake or two when it falls right under his nose, but
>that's
>> >it.
>> >What more can I do? Please help, I really love this fish.
>> >
>> >...Kodiak
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>> www.drsolo.com
>> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>> endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.
Kodiak
May 30th 04, 08:44 AM
He ate more flakes this evening....
But still hanging in his corner.
He will only eat flakes that pass directly under his nose.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I hope he's gonna make it....
I love my fishy, he's my favorite....
....Kodiak
"Kodiak" > wrote in message
.. .
> His Mouth looks ok.
> I'm keeping up the water changes (50% every other day),
> lowered the temp a bit more to 70degF. He still sits on the bottom,
> but that paralyzed like swimming seems to be gone, he seems to
> be swimming more normally now. And he's going for more flakes.
> This morning he had about 10 flakes!... I hope he's gonna make it.
> ..Kodiak
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > look in his mouth see if that is swollen. koi can go for a couple weeks
> easily with
> > no food, probably a lot longer. as long as he is swimming ok dont
worry.
> > if the mouth looks swollen suspect columnaris and a salt dip will bring
> the swelling
> > down. but do call Jo Ann back for her expert help. 1-251-649-4790
> > along with neural toxicity his "smeller" may be screwed up. so he may
not
> be able to
> > determine it is "food" and they spit it out. try something stronger
like
> a drop of
> > garlic juice on the food, or even fish sauce or a little shrimp juice.
> Ingrid
> >
> > "Kodiak" > wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Ingrid,
> > > Called Jo-Ann... She seems to think it's Neural Toxicity or some
kind
> of
> > >parasite.
> > >Something about Aeromonas at temps above 75degF. She also recommended 1
> > >tblsp
> > >of Epsom Salt wich i did (55gallon hospital tank, Aquaclear 500, Huge
> > >airstone, 72degF)
> > >I lowered the temp from 78.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking it's Neural Toxicity because my PH seems to be crashing
> when
> > >this happened.
> > >I'm still doing 50% water every other day, But he hasn't eaten for over
a
> > >week now. Sometimes
> > >he'll go for a flake or two when it falls right under his nose, but
> that's
> > >it.
> > >What more can I do? Please help, I really love this fish.
> > >
> > >...Kodiak
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
>
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