fancy GF id? (another newbie query)

[sophie]

I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned
out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish
seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active" counts
as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working for
them until they get more space.

I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
here:

www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg

I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've
seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't. is
this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting
the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and I
wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good enough -
goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken!

many thanks for any help,
--
sophie

[Dave Leason]

Hi there
I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine from
a tank of 'assorted oranda's'

But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks just
like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an oranda, You
know what LFS's are like!!


"sophie" > wrote in message
...
>
> I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned
> out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish
> seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active" counts
> as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working for
> them until they get more space.
>
> I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
> here:
>
> www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
>
> I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've
> seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't. is
> this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting
> the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
> fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
> unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
> fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and I
> wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
> acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good enough -
> goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken!
>
> many thanks for any help,
> --
> sophie

[sophie]

In message >, Dave Leason
> writes
>Hi there
>I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine from
>a tank of 'assorted oranda's'
>
>But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks just
>like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an oranda, You
>know what LFS's are like!!

Orandas have a strange "hood":

http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/oranda/oranda.htm

so I can safely say that I don't have one of those. But I am
increasingly confused, if that makes you feel any better!

>
>
>"sophie" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned
>> out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish
>> seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active" counts
>> as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working for
>> them until they get more space.
>>
>> I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
>> here:
>>
>> www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
>>
>> I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've
>> seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't. is
>> this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting
>> the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
>> fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
>> unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
>> fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and I
>> wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
>> acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good enough -
>> goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken!
>>
>> many thanks for any help,
>> --
>> sophie
>
>

--
sophie

[Dave Leason]

As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they,
i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so needless
to say the fish you and I have with the multi colour, has quite a streamline
shape but a fancy tail?!

it will be interesting to find out what it is then!!

Kellie

"sophie" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, Dave Leason
> > writes
> >Hi there
> >I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine
from
> >a tank of 'assorted oranda's'
> >
> >But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks just
> >like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an oranda,
You
> >know what LFS's are like!!
>
> Orandas have a strange "hood":
>
> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/oranda/oranda.htm
>
> so I can safely say that I don't have one of those. But I am
> increasingly confused, if that makes you feel any better!
>
> >
> >
> >"sophie" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned
> >> out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish
> >> seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active"
counts
> >> as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working
for
> >> them until they get more space.
> >>
> >> I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
> >> here:
> >>
> >> www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
> >>
> >> I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've
> >> seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't.
is
> >> this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting
> >> the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
> >> fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
> >> unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
> >> fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and
I
> >> wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
> >> acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good
enough -
> >> goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken!
> >>
> >> many thanks for any help,
> >> --
> >> sophie
> >
> >
>
> --
> sophie

[sophie]

In message >, Dave Leason
> writes
>As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they,
>i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so needless
>to say the fish you and I have with the multi colour, has quite a streamline
>shape but a fancy tail?!
>
>it will be interesting to find out what it is then!!

I'm guessing man-yu (although the associations worry me slightly <g>),
or that ryukins don't develop a hump until they're older. And there's a
post just arrived on the ng that makes me think that maybe that's the
case...

>
>Kellie
>
>"sophie" > wrote in message
...
>> In message >, Dave Leason
>> > writes
>> >Hi there
>> >I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine
>from
>> >a tank of 'assorted oranda's'
>> >
>> >But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks just
>> >like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an oranda,
>You
>> >know what LFS's are like!!
>>
>> Orandas have a strange "hood":
>>
>> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/oranda/oranda.htm
>>
>> so I can safely say that I don't have one of those. But I am
>> increasingly confused, if that makes you feel any better!
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"sophie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned
>> >> out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish
>> >> seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active"
>counts
>> >> as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working
>for
>> >> them until they get more space.
>> >>
>> >> I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
>> >> here:
>> >>
>> >> www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
>> >>
>> >> I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've
>> >> seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't.
>is
>> >> this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting
>> >> the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
>> >> fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
>> >> unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
>> >> fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and
>I
>> >> wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
>> >> acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good
>enough -
>> >> goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken!
>> >>
>> >> many thanks for any help,
>> >> --
>> >> sophie
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> sophie
>
>

--
sophie

[Dave Leason]

I have a ryukin so its definatly not one of those!!
never heard of a man-yu!
ill have to look it up.

Kellie

"sophie" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, Dave Leason
> > writes
> >As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they,
> >i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so
needless
> >to say the fish you and I have with the multi colour, has quite a
streamline
> >shape but a fancy tail?!
> >
> >it will be interesting to find out what it is then!!
>
> I'm guessing man-yu (although the associations worry me slightly <g>),
> or that ryukins don't develop a hump until they're older. And there's a
> post just arrived on the ng that makes me think that maybe that's the
> case...
>
> >
> >Kellie
> >
> >"sophie" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In message >, Dave Leason
> >> > writes
> >> >Hi there
> >> >I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought
mine
> >from
> >> >a tank of 'assorted oranda's'
> >> >
> >> >But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks
just
> >> >like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an
oranda,
> >You
> >> >know what LFS's are like!!
> >>
> >> Orandas have a strange "hood":
> >>
> >> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/oranda/oranda.htm
> >>
> >> so I can safely say that I don't have one of those. But I am
> >> increasingly confused, if that makes you feel any better!
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"sophie" > wrote in
message
> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what
turned
> >> >> out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the
fish
> >> >> seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active"
> >counts
> >> >> as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working
> >for
> >> >> them until they get more space.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
> >> >> here:
> >> >>
> >> >> www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >> I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins
I've
> >> >> seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he
doesn't.
> >is
> >> >> this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not
counting
> >> >> the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
> >> >> fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front
bone,
> >> >> unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
> >> >> fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu",
and
> >I
> >> >> wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
> >> >> acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good
> >enough -
> >> >> goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures
taken!
> >> >>
> >> >> many thanks for any help,
> >> >> --
> >> >> sophie
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> sophie
> >
> >
>
> --
> sophie

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Is it a calico fantail?

[sophie]

In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> writes
>Is it a calico fantail?

I thought it might be, even if its tail seems too long; however this
page:

http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm

which is from a fairly reputable UK goldfish society suggests the
Man-yu, as:

*When you go shopping for a basic, twintailed goldfish in a pet shop or
most other aquatic outlets, this fish is what you are buying, imported
from the Far East. For fantails or veiltails you need to visit a
specialist outlet or join a goldfish club.*

(this refers to the UK)

My fish's tail looks to be a bit long for a proper fantail, but too much
like a butterfly for a veiltail. I have to say he's a very entertaining
fish & a lot of fun to watch, even if I can't identify him.

On the tank side of things, I'm seriously considering buying a
second-hand, good condition four foot tank - the space I have in my
son's new room could fit a tank that size; I wouldn't gain any extra
room space by putting a smaller one in. This should be a distinct
improvement!


thanks for your help,
--
sophie

[Tom L. La Bron]

Sorry Dave and Sophie,

You are both the proud owners of Fantails. The body is
not round enough for an Oranda and as surmised it
doesn't have a hump and so is not a Ryukin. The "hump"
doesn't have to be severe to be a Ryukin, but it has to
be there.

Tom L.L.
-------------------------------------
Dave Leason wrote:
> Hi there
> I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine from
> a tank of 'assorted oranda's'
>
> But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks just
> like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an oranda, You
> know what LFS's are like!!
>
>
> "sophie" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned
>>out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish
>>seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active" counts
>>as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working for
>>them until they get more space.
>>
>>I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
>>here:
>>
>>www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
>>
>>I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've
>>seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't. is
>>this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting
>>the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
>>fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
>>unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
>>fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and I
>>wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
>>acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good enough -
>>goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken!
>>
>>many thanks for any help,
>>--
>>sophie
>
>
>

[Tom L. La Bron]

Sophie,

The hood is misconception by a lot of people as being
necessary to be an Oranda. This is just something that
an Oranda can have. The designation of an Oranda is in
its body shape and finnage.

I have a male Oranda right now that is 6 inches long
and it has no Wen (hood) at all. Now-a-days, most
Orandas are bred with wens, which is why many think
that it is a designation for the Oranda when it is not.

HTH


Tom L.L.
==========================================
sophie wrote:

> In message >, Dave Leason
> > writes
>
>> Hi there
>> I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought
>> mine from
>> a tank of 'assorted oranda's'
>>
>> But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks just
>> like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an
>> oranda, You
>> know what LFS's are like!!
>
>
> Orandas have a strange "hood":
>
> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/oranda/oranda.htm
>
> so I can safely say that I don't have one of those. But I am
> increasingly confused, if that makes you feel any better!
>
>>
>>
>> "sophie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned
>>> out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish
>>> seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active" counts
>>> as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working for
>>> them until they get more space.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
>>> here:
>>>
>>> www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
>>>
>>> I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've
>>> seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't. is
>>> this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting
>>> the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
>>> fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
>>> unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
>>> fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and I
>>> wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
>>> acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good enough -
>>> goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken!
>>>
>>> many thanks for any help,
>>> --
>>> sophie
>>
>>
>>
>

[Tom L. La Bron]

Dave,

If your fish is similar in coloration as Sophie then
you both have Calico Fantails.

Tom L.L.
==================================
Dave Leason wrote:

> As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they,
> i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so needless
> to say the fish you and I have with the multi colour, has quite a streamline
> shape but a fancy tail?!
>
> it will be interesting to find out what it is then!!
>
> Kellie
>
> "sophie" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In message >, Dave Leason
> writes
>>
>>>Hi there
>>>I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine
>
> from
>
>>>a tank of 'assorted oranda's'
>>>
>>>But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks just
>>>like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an oranda,
>
> You
>
>>>know what LFS's are like!!
>>
>>Orandas have a strange "hood":
>>
>>http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/oranda/oranda.htm
>>
>>so I can safely say that I don't have one of those. But I am
>>increasingly confused, if that makes you feel any better!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"sophie" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned
>>>>out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish
>>>>seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active"
>
> counts
>
>>>>as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working
>
> for
>
>>>>them until they get more space.
>>>>
>>>>I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
>>>>here:
>>>>
>>>>www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
>>>>
>>>>I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've
>>>>seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't.
>
> is
>
>>>>this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting
>>>>the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
>>>>fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
>>>>unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
>>>>fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and
>
> I
>
>>>>wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
>>>>acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good
>
> enough -
>
>>>>goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken!
>>>>
>>>>many thanks for any help,
>>>>--
>>>>sophie
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>sophie
>
>
>

[Tom L. La Bron]

Sophie,

The characteristic hump of the Ryukin is definitely
noticeable in fry that are only about 4 to 8 months
old. It does not appear later. It is genetic and
appears early in the fry's body structure.

HTH

Tom L.L.
=====================================
sophie wrote:

> In message >, Dave Leason
> > writes
>
>> As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they,
>> i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so
>> needless
>> to say the fish you and I have with the multi colour, has quite a
>> streamline
>> shape but a fancy tail?!
>>
>> it will be interesting to find out what it is then!!
>
>
> I'm guessing man-yu (although the associations worry me slightly <g>),
> or that ryukins don't develop a hump until they're older. And there's a
> post just arrived on the ng that makes me think that maybe that's the
> case...
>
>>
>> Kellie
>>
>> "sophie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> In message >, Dave Leason
>>> > writes
>>> >Hi there
>>> >I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine
>>
>> from
>>
>>> >a tank of 'assorted oranda's'
>>> >
>>> >But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks
>>> just
>>> >like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an
>>> oranda,
>>
>> You
>>
>>> >know what LFS's are like!!
>>>
>>> Orandas have a strange "hood":
>>>
>>> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/oranda/oranda.htm
>>>
>>> so I can safely say that I don't have one of those. But I am
>>> increasingly confused, if that makes you feel any better!
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"sophie" > wrote in
>>> message
>>> ...
>>> >>
>>> >> I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what
>>> turned
>>> >> out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the
>>> fish
>>> >> seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active"
>>
>> counts
>>
>>> >> as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working
>>
>> for
>>
>>> >> them until they get more space.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish
>>> >> here:
>>> >>
>>> >> www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg
>>> >>
>>> >> I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins
>>> I've
>>> >> seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't.
>>
>> is
>>
>>> >> this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not
>>> counting
>>> >> the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty
>>> >> fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone,
>>> >> unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a
>>> >> fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu",
>>> and
>>
>> I
>>
>>> >> wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly
>>> >> acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good
>>
>> enough -
>>
>>> >> goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures
>>> taken!
>>> >>
>>> >> many thanks for any help,
>>> >> --
>>> >> sophie
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> sophie
>>
>>
>>
>

[Tom L. La Bron]

Sophie,

The tail of the Fantail can be as long as the fish's
body. I have some with tails that long at present.

HTH

Tom L.L.
=================================================
sophie wrote:

> In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> > writes
>
>> Is it a calico fantail?
>
>
> I thought it might be, even if its tail seems too long; however this page:
>
> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm
>
> which is from a fairly reputable UK goldfish society suggests the
> Man-yu, as:
>
> *When you go shopping for a basic, twintailed goldfish in a pet shop or
> most other aquatic outlets, this fish is what you are buying, imported
> from the Far East. For fantails or veiltails you need to visit a
> specialist outlet or join a goldfish club.*
>
> (this refers to the UK)
>
> My fish's tail looks to be a bit long for a proper fantail, but too much
> like a butterfly for a veiltail. I have to say he's a very entertaining
> fish & a lot of fun to watch, even if I can't identify him.
>
> On the tank side of things, I'm seriously considering buying a
> second-hand, good condition four foot tank - the space I have in my
> son's new room could fit a tank that size; I wouldn't gain any extra
> room space by putting a smaller one in. This should be a distinct
> improvement!
>
>
> thanks for your help,

[sophie]

In message >, Tom L. La Bron
> writes
>Sophie,
>
>The tail of the Fantail can be as long as the fish's body. I have some
>with tails that long at present.

Thanks for all your replies!

according to these pages:

http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/fantail/fantail.htm
and
http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm

the British standard for fantails requires a short tail, hence my
speculations about the man-yu. This is UK specific, however; and I'm
also taking it on faith as I'm a novice! the British standard for
orandas also require the hood, but again, this is UK specific and I'm
still taking the source on faith...

thanks again for your help,

>
>HTH
>
>Tom L.L.
>=================================================
>sophie wrote:
>
>> In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> writes
>>
>>> Is it a calico fantail?
>> I thought it might be, even if its tail seems too long; however
>>this page:
>> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm
>> which is from a fairly reputable UK goldfish society suggests the
>>Man-yu, as:
>> *When you go shopping for a basic, twintailed goldfish in a pet shop
>>or most other aquatic outlets, this fish is what you are buying,
>>imported from the Far East. For fantails or veiltails you need to
>>visit a specialist outlet or join a goldfish club.*
>> (this refers to the UK)
>> My fish's tail looks to be a bit long for a proper fantail, but too
>>much like a butterfly for a veiltail. I have to say he's a very
>>entertaining fish & a lot of fun to watch, even if I can't identify him.
>> On the tank side of things, I'm seriously considering buying a
>>second-hand, good condition four foot tank - the space I have in my
>>son's new room could fit a tank that size; I wouldn't gain any extra
>>room space by putting a smaller one in. This should be a distinct
>>improvement!
>> thanks for your help,

--
sophie

[Dave Leason]

well at least I know what I have, knew it wasnt an oranda as I have one, but
as I said our LFS are rubbish, i purchased a number of fish named as
orandas, one is a black more and now the other is a fantail as I have just
found out, also one turned out to be a rynukin!

kellie

"sophie" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, Tom L. La Bron
> > writes
> >Sophie,
> >
> >The tail of the Fantail can be as long as the fish's body. I have some
> >with tails that long at present.
>
> Thanks for all your replies!
>
> according to these pages:
>
> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/fantail/fantail.htm
> and
> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm
>
> the British standard for fantails requires a short tail, hence my
> speculations about the man-yu. This is UK specific, however; and I'm
> also taking it on faith as I'm a novice! the British standard for
> orandas also require the hood, but again, this is UK specific and I'm
> still taking the source on faith...
>
> thanks again for your help,
>
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >Tom L.L.
> >=================================================
> >sophie wrote:
> >
> >> In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> > writes
> >>
> >>> Is it a calico fantail?
> >> I thought it might be, even if its tail seems too long; however
> >>this page:
> >> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm
> >> which is from a fairly reputable UK goldfish society suggests the
> >>Man-yu, as:
> >> *When you go shopping for a basic, twintailed goldfish in a pet shop
> >>or most other aquatic outlets, this fish is what you are buying,
> >>imported from the Far East. For fantails or veiltails you need to
> >>visit a specialist outlet or join a goldfish club.*
> >> (this refers to the UK)
> >> My fish's tail looks to be a bit long for a proper fantail, but too
> >>much like a butterfly for a veiltail. I have to say he's a very
> >>entertaining fish & a lot of fun to watch, even if I can't identify
him.
> >> On the tank side of things, I'm seriously considering buying a
> >>second-hand, good condition four foot tank - the space I have in my
> >>son's new room could fit a tank that size; I wouldn't gain any extra
> >>room space by putting a smaller one in. This should be a distinct
> >>improvement!
> >> thanks for your help,
>
> --
> sophie

[Tom L. La Bron]

Kellie,

Don't be too hard on your LFS when it comes to Goldfish
varieties. The are probably selling to you what came
into them already named from the shipper.

Many people call Common Goldfish "Comets" when they are
just Common Goldfish. A Comet is a Goldfish variety
developed in the U.S. that has a torpedo sharped body,
but has a tail that is 3/4 to 1 1/2 to as much 2 times
the fish's body length.

Same thing with Shubunkins, if they are pond fish they
are Shubunkins when in fact that are actually Common
Goldfish that are Calicos. The store calls them
Shubunkins, because that is what the shipper called them.

HTH

Tom L.L.
===================================

Dave Leason wrote:
> well at least I know what I have, knew it wasnt an oranda as I have one, but
> as I said our LFS are rubbish, i purchased a number of fish named as
> orandas, one is a black more and now the other is a fantail as I have just
> found out, also one turned out to be a rynukin!
>
> kellie
>
> "sophie" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In message >, Tom L. La Bron
> writes
>>
>>>Sophie,
>>>
>>>The tail of the Fantail can be as long as the fish's body. I have some
>>>with tails that long at present.
>>
>>Thanks for all your replies!
>>
>>according to these pages:
>>
>>http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/fantail/fantail.htm
>>and
>>http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm
>>
>>the British standard for fantails requires a short tail, hence my
>>speculations about the man-yu. This is UK specific, however; and I'm
>>also taking it on faith as I'm a novice! the British standard for
>>orandas also require the hood, but again, this is UK specific and I'm
>>still taking the source on faith...
>>
>>thanks again for your help,
>>
>>
>>>HTH
>>>
>>>Tom L.L.
>>>=================================================
>>>sophie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> writes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is it a calico fantail?
>>>>
>>>> I thought it might be, even if its tail seems too long; however
>>>>this page:
>>>> http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm
>>>> which is from a fairly reputable UK goldfish society suggests the
>>>>Man-yu, as:
>>>> *When you go shopping for a basic, twintailed goldfish in a pet shop
>>>>or most other aquatic outlets, this fish is what you are buying,
>>>>imported from the Far East. For fantails or veiltails you need to
>>>>visit a specialist outlet or join a goldfish club.*
>>>> (this refers to the UK)
>>>> My fish's tail looks to be a bit long for a proper fantail, but too
>>>>much like a butterfly for a veiltail. I have to say he's a very
>>>>entertaining fish & a lot of fun to watch, even if I can't identify
>
> him.
>
>>>> On the tank side of things, I'm seriously considering buying a
>>>>second-hand, good condition four foot tank - the space I have in my
>>>>son's new room could fit a tank that size; I wouldn't gain any extra
>>>>room space by putting a smaller one in. This should be a distinct
>>>>improvement!
>>>> thanks for your help,
>>
>>--
>>sophie
>
>
>