common goldfish sick

[johnhuddleston]

hi, having recently moved my goldfish to a pond, I have noticed them looking
a bit peaky. One has developed what look like bloodvessels on his gill
scale, has lost a couple of scales near his tail and a few other places and
has some blood streaking in his tail(tho not all the way to the end of it)
the other two seem okay, but have a few scales missing. I have tested the
water and the results are 0 for ammonia and nitrates, and 8 for ph.

I`ve noticed the PH bounces from a ph of 7 in the morning to a as high as 9
of an evening. I know this is caused by plants/algae, could this be
affecting them negatively? the only other thing i can think of is some sort
of poisoning but everything was thouroughly cleaned before i put them in
there. any ideas?

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[johnhuddleston]

> wrote in message
...
> streaking is almost always an indication that water quality is poor. how
many
> gallons of water,

The pond is tiny so about 80 gallons, in a well shaded area, it gets about
30% sun at midday.

> how many GF?

Three at 4-5 inches

> what is your hardness

I have no way of testing its current hardness at the moment but here is the
breakdown of the water it is was filled with.
Analysis Typical
Value UK/European
Limit Unit



Hardness level SOFT No Standard Applies
Hardness Clarkes 3.6 No Standard Applies degree
Hardness 19 No Standard Applies mgCa/l
Aluminium 10 200 µgAl/l
Calcium 18 250 mgCa/l
Chloride 10 400 mgCl/l
Chlorine 0.16 mg/l
Coliform bacteria 0 0 no./100ml
Colour 1.55 20 mg/l Pt/Co
Conductivity 112 1500 µS/cm at 20
E.coli bacteria 0 0 no./100ml
Fluoride 922 1500 µgF/l
Iron 21 200 µgFe/l
Magnesium 2 50 mgMg/l
Manganese 3 50 µgMn/l
Nitrate 2 50 mgNO3/l
Odour 0 3 dilution No
Pesticides 0.0065 0.5 µg/l
pH 8.7 5.5 -9.5
Sodium 5 150 mgNa/l
Taste 0 3 dilution no.
Temperature 12.4 25 deg. celsius



Plumbing Metals

Zinc 8 5000 ugZn/l
Copper 14 3000 ugCu/l
Lead 7 50 ugPb/l


> nitrates?

zero

> how long have the fish been in there

About a month. in which time they have had 2 25% changes and one 50% change
(done after I had a PH reading of nearly 10 a couple of weeks back)


> did you test the water for ammonia every day?

When it first cycled i tested every day, after that i just tested every
couple of days, I had one test come up positive for ammonia (the day i got
the near 10 reading for ph) tho it was only just registering on the test at
0.25, after a 50% change it dissapeared and the PH calmed down a bit, since
then ammonia and nitrates have been 0 with only the PH bouncing from morning
to evening>



>
> "johnhuddleston" > wrote:
>
> >hi, having recently moved my goldfish to a pond, I have noticed them
looking
> >a bit peaky. One has developed what look like bloodvessels on his gill
> >scale, has lost a couple of scales near his tail and a few other places
and
> >has some blood streaking in his tail(tho not all the way to the end of
it)
> >the other two seem okay, but have a few scales missing. I have tested the
> >water and the results are 0 for ammonia and nitrates, and 8 for ph.
> >
> >I`ve noticed the PH bounces from a ph of 7 in the morning to a as high as
9
> >of an evening. I know this is caused by plants/algae, could this be
> >affecting them negatively? the only other thing i can think of is some
sort
> >of poisoning but everything was thouroughly cleaned before i put them in
> >there. any ideas?
>
>
>
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streaking is almost always an indication that water quality is poor. how many
gallons of water, how many GF? what is your hardness, nitrates? how long have the
fish been in there did you test the water for ammonia every day?
Ingrid

"johnhuddleston" > wrote:

>hi, having recently moved my goldfish to a pond, I have noticed them looking
>a bit peaky. One has developed what look like bloodvessels on his gill
>scale, has lost a couple of scales near his tail and a few other places and
>has some blood streaking in his tail(tho not all the way to the end of it)
>the other two seem okay, but have a few scales missing. I have tested the
>water and the results are 0 for ammonia and nitrates, and 8 for ph.
>
>I`ve noticed the PH bounces from a ph of 7 in the morning to a as high as 9
>of an evening. I know this is caused by plants/algae, could this be
>affecting them negatively? the only other thing i can think of is some sort
>of poisoning but everything was thouroughly cleaned before i put them in
>there. any ideas?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
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sounds like water quality. also, with that small a pond the temp may be swinging
wildly. you will need to do more water changes to keep water fresh. also test every
day and keep ammonia, nitrites to near zero, nitrates no more than 20ppm., Ingrid

"johnhuddleston" > wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> streaking is almost always an indication that water quality is poor. how
>many
>> gallons of water,
>
>The pond is tiny so about 80 gallons, in a well shaded area, it gets about
>30% sun at midday.
>
>> how many GF?
>
>Three at 4-5 inches
>
>> what is your hardness
>
>I have no way of testing its current hardness at the moment but here is the
>breakdown of the water it is was filled with.
> Analysis Typical
> Value UK/European
> Limit Unit
>
>
>
> Hardness level SOFT No Standard Applies
> Hardness Clarkes 3.6 No Standard Applies degree
> Hardness 19 No Standard Applies mgCa/l
> Aluminium 10 200 µgAl/l
> Calcium 18 250 mgCa/l
> Chloride 10 400 mgCl/l
> Chlorine 0.16 mg/l
> Coliform bacteria 0 0 no./100ml
> Colour 1.55 20 mg/l Pt/Co
> Conductivity 112 1500 µS/cm at 20
> E.coli bacteria 0 0 no./100ml
> Fluoride 922 1500 µgF/l
> Iron 21 200 µgFe/l
> Magnesium 2 50 mgMg/l
> Manganese 3 50 µgMn/l
> Nitrate 2 50 mgNO3/l
> Odour 0 3 dilution No
> Pesticides 0.0065 0.5 µg/l
> pH 8.7 5.5 -9.5
> Sodium 5 150 mgNa/l
> Taste 0 3 dilution no.
> Temperature 12.4 25 deg. celsius
>
>
>
> Plumbing Metals
>
> Zinc 8 5000 ugZn/l
> Copper 14 3000 ugCu/l
> Lead 7 50 ugPb/l
>
>
>> nitrates?
>
>zero
>
>> how long have the fish been in there
>
>About a month. in which time they have had 2 25% changes and one 50% change
>(done after I had a PH reading of nearly 10 a couple of weeks back)
>
>
>> did you test the water for ammonia every day?
>
>When it first cycled i tested every day, after that i just tested every
>couple of days, I had one test come up positive for ammonia (the day i got
>the near 10 reading for ph) tho it was only just registering on the test at
>0.25, after a 50% change it dissapeared and the PH calmed down a bit, since
>then ammonia and nitrates have been 0 with only the PH bouncing from morning
>to evening>
>
>
>
>>
>> "johnhuddleston" > wrote:
>>
>> >hi, having recently moved my goldfish to a pond, I have noticed them
>looking
>> >a bit peaky. One has developed what look like bloodvessels on his gill
>> >scale, has lost a couple of scales near his tail and a few other places
>and
>> >has some blood streaking in his tail(tho not all the way to the end of
>it)
>> >the other two seem okay, but have a few scales missing. I have tested the
>> >water and the results are 0 for ammonia and nitrates, and 8 for ph.
>> >
>> >I`ve noticed the PH bounces from a ph of 7 in the morning to a as high as
>9
>> >of an evening. I know this is caused by plants/algae, could this be
>> >affecting them negatively? the only other thing i can think of is some
>sort
>> >of poisoning but everything was thouroughly cleaned before i put them in
>> >there. any ideas?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Kodiak]

Does every pond eventually need a water change?
How often and how much water for a 350gallon with
a bucket filter, plants, and 10 2inch goldfish?
....Kodiak

> wrote in message
...
> sounds like water quality. also, with that small a pond the temp may be
swinging
> wildly. you will need to do more water changes to keep water fresh. also
test every
> day and keep ammonia, nitrites to near zero, nitrates no more than 20ppm.,
Ingrid
>
> "johnhuddleston" > wrote:
>
> >
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >> streaking is almost always an indication that water quality is poor.
how
> >many
> >> gallons of water,
> >
> >The pond is tiny so about 80 gallons, in a well shaded area, it gets
about
> >30% sun at midday.
> >
> >> how many GF?
> >
> >Three at 4-5 inches
> >
> >> what is your hardness
> >
> >I have no way of testing its current hardness at the moment but here is
the
> >breakdown of the water it is was filled with.
> > Analysis Typical
> > Value UK/European
> > Limit Unit
> >
> >
> >
> > Hardness level SOFT No Standard Applies
> > Hardness Clarkes 3.6 No Standard Applies degree
> > Hardness 19 No Standard Applies mgCa/l
> > Aluminium 10 200 µgAl/l
> > Calcium 18 250 mgCa/l
> > Chloride 10 400 mgCl/l
> > Chlorine 0.16 mg/l
> > Coliform bacteria 0 0 no./100ml
> > Colour 1.55 20 mg/l Pt/Co
> > Conductivity 112 1500 µS/cm at 20
> > E.coli bacteria 0 0 no./100ml
> > Fluoride 922 1500 µgF/l
> > Iron 21 200 µgFe/l
> > Magnesium 2 50 mgMg/l
> > Manganese 3 50 µgMn/l
> > Nitrate 2 50 mgNO3/l
> > Odour 0 3 dilution No
> > Pesticides 0.0065 0.5 µg/l
> > pH 8.7 5.5 -9.5
> > Sodium 5 150 mgNa/l
> > Taste 0 3 dilution no.
> > Temperature 12.4 25 deg. celsius
> >
> >
> >
> > Plumbing Metals
> >
> > Zinc 8 5000 ugZn/l
> > Copper 14 3000 ugCu/l
> > Lead 7 50 ugPb/l
> >
> >
> >> nitrates?
> >
> >zero
> >
> >> how long have the fish been in there
> >
> >About a month. in which time they have had 2 25% changes and one 50%
change
> >(done after I had a PH reading of nearly 10 a couple of weeks back)
> >
> >
> >> did you test the water for ammonia every day?
> >
> >When it first cycled i tested every day, after that i just tested every
> >couple of days, I had one test come up positive for ammonia (the day i
got
> >the near 10 reading for ph) tho it was only just registering on the test
at
> >0.25, after a 50% change it dissapeared and the PH calmed down a bit,
since
> >then ammonia and nitrates have been 0 with only the PH bouncing from
morning
> >to evening>
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> "johnhuddleston" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >hi, having recently moved my goldfish to a pond, I have noticed them
> >looking
> >> >a bit peaky. One has developed what look like bloodvessels on his gill
> >> >scale, has lost a couple of scales near his tail and a few other
places
> >and
> >> >has some blood streaking in his tail(tho not all the way to the end of
> >it)
> >> >the other two seem okay, but have a few scales missing. I have tested
the
> >> >water and the results are 0 for ammonia and nitrates, and 8 for ph.
> >> >
> >> >I`ve noticed the PH bounces from a ph of 7 in the morning to a as high
as
> >9
> >> >of an evening. I know this is caused by plants/algae, could this be
> >> >affecting them negatively? the only other thing i can think of is some
> >sort
> >> >of poisoning but everything was thouroughly cleaned before i put them
in
> >> >there. any ideas?
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Kodiak" > wrote in message
.. .
> Does every pond eventually need a water change?
> How often and how much water for a 350gallon with
> a bucket filter, plants, and 10 2inch goldfish?
<snip>

Save yourself some time and install an auto-water changer. In France they
call it a leak. I have one and it works great.

BV.

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with a veggie filter maybe twice a year. without, maybe 50 gallons every month. if
birds are bathing/drinking/****ting in the pond, 50+ gallons every week. Ingrid

"Kodiak" > wrote:
>Does every pond eventually need a water change?
>How often and how much water for a 350gallon with
>a bucket filter, plants, and 10 2inch goldfish?
>...Kodiak


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Donald K]

Benign Vanilla wrote:

> Save yourself some time and install an auto-water changer. In France
> they call it a leak. I have one and it works great.

"Just one minute Pierre, I gotta go out to the pond and take a leak..."

-D
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