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Samuel Warren
July 25th 04, 05:43 AM
I am a newbie but advancing.

After Nine months of 23 fish in a 50 gallon tank, and about 7 assorted
plants, it is time to give it a good strip down and clean out. I had a
small UGF in the tank but it did not cover the entire bottom, and I always
do weekly water changes and gravel vacs. But I still have a large amount
of muck that needs to be cleaned out.

1. I purchased a new UGF plate that covers my tank bottom completely, and it
has 3 locations for "pillar" tubing. I also purchased a reverse flow
powerhead to add to it. The only reverse flow powerhead that I could find at
my LFS was rated at 170GPH. My current forward flow powerhead is rated at
300 GPH. As my primary filter I have a biowheel rated for a 60 gallon tank.
a. Should I close off two of the pillar plugs? <<< Cheap cost and plugs will
be covered over by the substrate.
b. Or add a bubble column pillar? <<< Cheap cost (I have one installed now
on my old UGF.), some added noise, and less visual appeal.
c. OR add a second reverse flow powerhead at the far end? <<<about $40.00,
lots more hardware, wire routing, and even less visual appeal.
d. OR add my current forward flow powerhead at the far end? <<<Cheap cost,
and may cause water not to cycle thru substrate and bypass the UGF plate,
also more hardware, wire routing, and even less visual appeal.
So in other words the I would like less hardware in the tank and also lower
the muck rating as well. But I need to find a happy median for the two.
What would you do?

2. When I first setup the tank, I used Bio-Spira bacteria to cycle, and my
ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates have been excellent at every weekly check.
But I inquired about Bio-Spira again at my LFS and been told it's on
backorder until December. So I thought to keep some of a cycle perhaps I
would retain about 15 gallons of tank water (3 brand new 5-gallon buckets
from Home Depot), keep the same plants, do not scrub the decorative rocks,
re-use the old filter media without rinsing it out for an extended period,
filter the substrate through an old pillow case, and add a dose of
Stress-Zyme. Should all these measures be good enough not to throw me out
of cycle too much?

I would welcome any suggestions.


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Donald K
July 25th 04, 06:09 AM
Samuel Warren wrote:

> I would welcome any suggestions.

I'd also cross post it to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc and see if you can
get Netmax to respond, this is RIGHT up his alley.

Tell him "Donald sent you."

-Donald
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"One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem,
see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable
words." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Bill Stock
July 25th 04, 04:14 PM
"Samuel Warren" > wrote in message
...
> I am a newbie but advancing.
>
> After Nine months of 23 fish in a 50 gallon tank, and about 7 assorted
> plants, it is time to give it a good strip down and clean out. I had a
> small UGF in the tank but it did not cover the entire bottom, and I always
> do weekly water changes and gravel vacs. But I still have a large amount
> of muck that needs to be cleaned out.

I'm running an RUGF with a 55 and I just had to do this. It's been about 9
months since I set up the tank. My PH was starting to fall, so I removed all
of the gravel and gave it a good wash in dechlorinated water. (I'll be doing
this every 6 months from now on). You don't say what kind of fish, but I'm
assuming at least some are GoldFish. Seems like a lot of fish for a 50, but
your water tests OK, so you're obviously doing something right.

> 1. I purchased a new UGF plate that covers my tank bottom completely, and
it
> has 3 locations for "pillar" tubing. I also purchased a reverse flow
> powerhead to add to it. The only reverse flow powerhead that I could find
at
> my LFS was rated at 170GPH. My current forward flow powerhead is rated at
> 300 GPH. As my primary filter I have a biowheel rated for a 60 gallon
tank.
> a. Should I close off two of the pillar plugs? <<< Cheap cost and plugs
will
> be covered over by the substrate.
> b. Or add a bubble column pillar? <<< Cheap cost (I have one installed now
> on my old UGF.), some added noise, and less visual appeal.
> c. OR add a second reverse flow powerhead at the far end? <<<about
$40.00,
> lots more hardware, wire routing, and even less visual appeal.
> d. OR add my current forward flow powerhead at the far end? <<<Cheap cost,
> and may cause water not to cycle thru substrate and bypass the UGF plate,
> also more hardware, wire routing, and even less visual appeal.
> So in other words the I would like less hardware in the tank and also
lower
> the muck rating as well. But I need to find a happy median for the two.
> What would you do?

My plate has multiple spots for uplift tubes and I run a reverse flow
powehead at each end. I also have a AquaClear 500 for my main filter,
although I've been toying with the idea of running my RUGF off 1 or 2 Magnum
350 cannisters with Biowheel.

> 2. When I first setup the tank, I used Bio-Spira bacteria to cycle, and
my
> ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates have been excellent at every weekly check.
> But I inquired about Bio-Spira again at my LFS and been told it's on
> backorder until December. So I thought to keep some of a cycle perhaps I
> would retain about 15 gallons of tank water (3 brand new 5-gallon buckets
> from Home Depot), keep the same plants, do not scrub the decorative rocks,
> re-use the old filter media without rinsing it out for an extended period,
> filter the substrate through an old pillow case, and add a dose of
> Stress-Zyme. Should all these measures be good enough not to throw me out
> of cycle too much?

If you don't kill your existing biofilter you should be fine. Wash your
gravel in dechlorinated water that is close to the temp and PH of your tank,
reuse your filter media and you should be OK. I've used the bacteria too,
some people swear by it. Others say that it is of no value.

Donald K
July 25th 04, 04:24 PM
Bill Stock wrote:

> I've used the bacteria too,
> some people swear by it. Others say that it is of no value.

There seems to be a distinction made between Bio-Spira and the other
"cycle"-type products.

-Donald
--
"One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem,
see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable
words." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

disco
July 29th 04, 06:45 PM
According to some pretty reliable persons:

Bio-Spira's bacterial agent went bunk and they had no recourse but to
order a couple 100 cases of Frityzme TurboStart to fulfill outstanding
orders. The demand for their product was very strong at the time, but
to say a company "underestimated" the demand for their product,
therefore isn't shipping anymore for 6-12 months is a fugazi. Sure,
during the peak period your particular cycling product is booming, you
decide to discontinue it and cut off potential profits??

I have used both and had very similar results.

Disco (Free Speech Network)