Re: Gardening - test

[K30a]

>>DIVINE INTERVENTION<<

If I ever invent a fool proof way to get
rid of algae this is what I'm naming it...


k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[Anne Lurie]

I tried to send old Remo a private email when he hit rec.gardens.roses, but
his mailbox was full (probably because he hit a *lot* of newsgroups, based
on what I turned up by doing a group-google), sooooooooo I got his attention
by reviewing his book on Amazon.com -- hey, I figured at least he might
read that!

Old Remo didn't like that one bit, nosirree.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC





"Warren" > wrote in message
news:0TWXa.72936$Ho3.10624@sccrnsc03...
> R R wrote:
> > This is only a test..........
> >
> > Remo Rosati, author
> > DIVINE INTERVENTION
>
>
> Sorry, Remo. You fail.
>
> Over 400 groups with "test" in their names on a typical newsfeed, and
> you managed to crosspost into 5 groups that don't even have a "t", let
> along "test" in their names.
>
> Say... Aren't you the guy who tried making an advertisement for a
> romance novel appear to be an on-topic post by saying something insipid
> that could have been on-topic if it were in the right context? You
> failed then, too.
>
> Usenet was not invented for you to make these posts any more than the
> telephone poles was invented to hold your "Loose 40 Pounds, Ask Me
> How..." signs.
>
> Sorry. I don't usually respond to trolls like RR, but I'm just in that
> kind of mood today.
>
> --
> Warren H.
>
> ==========
> Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
> employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
> Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
> coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
> response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
> to go outside now.
>
>

[K30a]

Searched by name in Amazon,
Remo Rosati
and found the book.
And Anne's review!
The site doesn't say much about what the book is about but this
snippet gives a clue

<<Customers interested in *Divine Intervention* may also be interested in:
Sponsored Links
* Intervention Specialists
A national organization of professional interventionists
www.addictionintervention.com>>


I guess we Porgs qualify?
But do we want to be cured?
What kind of people would do an intervention with
a ponder?

Grass lovers?
Frog phobics?
People who think the only good fish is
the deep fried kind?

Here is the Porg explanation for new folks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PORG - A term used on rec.ponds from time to time. If you are a Star Trek fan,
the Next Generation specifically, you might remember the evil Borg. Half living
creatures, half robots, flying around the universe assimilating new species
into their collective. Their favorite line, delivered in cold robotic voices,
is 'resistance is futile, you will be assimilated".
We rec.ponders feel the same way about ponding. Watch out you are about to be
assimilated into the Porg collective! We will be here to help with the details.
Remember resistance is futile....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[ajames54]

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:24:50 GMT, "Anne Lurie" >
wrote:

>I tried to send old Remo a private email when he hit rec.gardens.roses, but
>his mailbox was full (probably because he hit a *lot* of newsgroups, based
>on what I turned up by doing a group-google), sooooooooo I got his attention
>by reviewing his book on Amazon.com -- hey, I figured at least he might
>read that!
>
>Old Remo didn't like that one bit, nosirree.
>
>Anne Lurie
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
>
>
Great review!
I found it very helpful ... and voted that way!

[K30a]

Heather wrote << what is a troll????? >>

A troll, or his close cousin, the spammer, can be one of many things ~

a) a socially maladjusted young male who sees posting stuff and nonsense and
inflammatory comments on newsgroups as a satisfactory substitute for his lack
of beer, accommodating girls and skittles in his life.

b-a) a rabid free enterpriser who buys into the theory that 100,000,000,000
posts about his product or service will result in one person purchasing his
wares. (PS - half your post viewers don't own anything that can be
lengthened...)


b-b) the same rabid free enterpriser who thinks we can be fooled into checking
out his merchandise by pretending to be an actual poster (gardening - test
post). We've been there, done that. This troll needs an intervention by
irritated newsgroupers to stop. Rec.ponders can hold him underwater with a
hungry snapping turtle.

c) the absolute bottom dwellers, lower than leeches, bloodworms and anaerobic
bacteria - the pornographer spammer who thinks we really need to view naked
people and what they do with various and sundry farm animals. We get enough of
that with frogs breeding and koi spawning.






k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[john rutz]

ajames54 wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:24:50 GMT, "Anne Lurie" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>I tried to send old Remo a private email when he hit rec.gardens.roses, but
>>his mailbox was full (probably because he hit a *lot* of newsgroups, based
>>on what I turned up by doing a group-google), sooooooooo I got his attention
>>by reviewing his book on Amazon.com -- hey, I figured at least he might
>>read that!
>>
>>Old Remo didn't like that one bit, nosirree.
>>
>>Anne Lurie
>>Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Great review!
> I found it very helpful ... and voted that way!


--
I poste my own he aint gonna like us ;-)




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On 06 Aug 2003 21:19:32 GMT
(K30a) wrote:

> b-b) the same rabid free enterpriser who thinks we can be fooled into
> checking out his merchandise by pretending to be an actual poster
> (gardening - test post). We've been there, done that. This troll
> needs an intervention by irritated newsgroupers to stop. Rec.ponders
> can hold him underwater with a hungry snapping turtle.

Often times they munge their email address and their reply_to header,
but equally often a newsreader or ISP will put identifiers into post's
headers. Maybe a few dozen emails to the offender's ISP about spamming
and such would put a halt to some of them? It has worked well in other
groups.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On 06 Aug 2003 20:07:31 GMT
(K30a) wrote:

> Here is the Porg explanation for new folks.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> PORG - A term used on rec.ponds from time to time. If you are a Star
> Trek fan, the Next Generation specifically, you might remember the
> evil Borg. Half living creatures, half robots, flying around the
> universe assimilating new species into their collective. Their
> favorite line, delivered in cold robotic voices, is 'resistance is
> futile, you will be assimilated". We rec.ponders feel the same way
> about ponding. Watch out you are about to be assimilated into the Porg
> collective! We will be here to help with the details. Remember
> resistance is futile.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> k30a

Someone, I forget who, added, "...you will be pond elated."
I like that, it's in keeping with the original BORG phrase, it's punny
(which has special meaning for me), and I hereby nominate it as a
regular inclusion.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[K30a]

Cybe wrote >> Someone, I forget who, added, "...you will be pond elated<<

I'm pretty sure jj coined that phrase.
I will check with her.
I have an email in the mailbox from her right now.


k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>> Here is the Porg explanation for new folks.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> PORG - <snipped extremely long explanation by K30s> ;o)

>Cybe R. Wizard replied:
>Someone, I forget who, added, "...you will be pond elated."
>I like that, it's in keeping with the original BORG phrase, it's punny
>(which has special meaning for me), and I hereby nominate it as a
>regular inclusion.

Tis I (Ye Ole Queen) the *someone* of whom you speak:

The Borg said:
"We are _Borg_ resistant is futile, you will be assimilated."
The Porg say:
"We are Porg, resistant IS futile, you will be pond-elated."

P - Pond,
O - Oriented,
R - Recreational,
G - Group

Hmmmm, and looking at this again, I guess one could say a ponder is always
POed. :o)

I figure if they aren't aware of Star Trek & the Borg they aren't reading
this newsgroup either. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[K30a]

Question.
If this post was cross posted in the first place, Anne mentioned several
gardening groups it showed up on... is it still being cross posted?
I'm posting on rec.ponds here.

k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[Anne Lurie]

Unless you take care to remove the extraneous groups, any "group reply" will
go to all the groups that received the post to which you are replying.

You can tell by looking closely at the To: list for each message. These
things can really deteriorate fast because suddenly posters of a particular
group are seeing posts from strangers, etc., and so on.

To confuse this issue even more, we've suddenly picked up another "anne"
(gasp!) here in rec.ponds!

What's the big complaint about top posting, anyway? Unless there are
multiple parts to debate, it makes a *lot* more sense to me -- at least
it's much easier to figure exactly who the current poster is.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC



"K30a" > wrote in message
...
>
> Question.
> If this post was cross posted in the first place, Anne mentioned several
> gardening groups it showed up on... is it still being cross posted?
> I'm posting on rec.ponds here.
>
> k30a
> and the watergardening labradors
> http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[K30a]

Anne wrote << Unless you take care to remove the extraneous groups, any "group
reply" will
go to all the groups >>

Hmmmm. Primitive AOL doesn't seem to have a button for that (MAC on 5.0).
But it does say at the top that it is posting to rec.ponds and no other group
is listed.
I feel like we are eavesdropping on some other groups squabble. ;-)





k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[BenignVanilla]

I think all top posters should be shot.

BV.

"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
.com...
> Unless you take care to remove the extraneous groups, any "group reply"
will
> go to all the groups that received the post to which you are replying.
>
> You can tell by looking closely at the To: list for each message. These
> things can really deteriorate fast because suddenly posters of a
particular
> group are seeing posts from strangers, etc., and so on.
>
> To confuse this issue even more, we've suddenly picked up another "anne"
> (gasp!) here in rec.ponds!
>
> What's the big complaint about top posting, anyway? Unless there are
> multiple parts to debate, it makes a *lot* more sense to me -- at least
> it's much easier to figure exactly who the current poster is.
>
> Anne Lurie
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
> "K30a" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Question.
> > If this post was cross posted in the first place, Anne mentioned several
> > gardening groups it showed up on... is it still being cross posted?
> > I'm posting on rec.ponds here.
> >
> > k30a
> > and the watergardening labradors
> > http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html
>
>

[K30a]

BV wrote >>I think all top posters should be shot.<<

I've seen this complaint for years and don't know what it is? Is it when
everything ever written in a thread comes first and then the reply is waaaay
down there at the very end?


k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[Nedra]

Bottom posters just don't get read on my machine ;-)
Why should I scroll thru dozens of other posts to reply?
I have tagged onto the one I want to reply to.

I top post ... always!

So there, BV .... how do you post a tongue sticking out?
LOLOLOL!!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"K30a" > wrote in message
...
> BV wrote >>I think all top posters should be shot.<<
>
> I've seen this complaint for years and don't know what it is? Is it when
> everything ever written in a thread comes first and then the reply is
waaaay
> down there at the very end?
>
>
> k30a
> and the watergardening labradors
> http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html
>

[john rutz]

Nedra wrote:
> Bottom posters just don't get read on my machine ;-)
> Why should I scroll thru dozens of other posts to reply?
> I have tagged onto the one I want to reply to.
>
> I top post ... always!
>
> So there, BV .... how do you post a tongue sticking out?
> LOLOLOL!!
>
> Nedra
>
thats why I always cut and leave what is pertinent to my answer so
dummys like me can figure out what Im talking about
ones that post an answer with no clue to which part of the thread they
are answering drive me nuts


John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[BenignVanilla]

Nedra...I think you missed my joke...in that, I TOP POSTED saying all top
posters should be shot. Irony?

BV./

"Nedra" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Bottom posters just don't get read on my machine ;-)
> Why should I scroll thru dozens of other posts to reply?
> I have tagged onto the one I want to reply to.
>
> I top post ... always!
>
> So there, BV .... how do you post a tongue sticking out?
> LOLOLOL!!
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "K30a" > wrote in message
> ...
> > BV wrote >>I think all top posters should be shot.<<
> >
> > I've seen this complaint for years and don't know what it is? Is it when
> > everything ever written in a thread comes first and then the reply is
> waaaay
> > down there at the very end?
> >
> >
> > k30a
> > and the watergardening labradors
> > http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

Ohhhhhh!! I completely missed that. Yep, your joke flew right
over my head. Not an *unusual* thing to happen to me ;-)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
> Nedra...I think you missed my joke...in that, I TOP POSTED saying all top
> posters should be shot. Irony?
>
> BV./
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> link.net...
> > Bottom posters just don't get read on my machine ;-)
> > Why should I scroll thru dozens of other posts to reply?
> > I have tagged onto the one I want to reply to.
> >
> > I top post ... always!
> >
> > So there, BV .... how do you post a tongue sticking out?
> > LOLOLOL!!
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "K30a" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > BV wrote >>I think all top posters should be shot.<<
> > >
> > > I've seen this complaint for years and don't know what it is? Is it
when
> > > everything ever written in a thread comes first and then the reply is
> > waaaay
> > > down there at the very end?
> > >
> > >
> > > k30a
> > > and the watergardening labradors
> > > http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[mad]

LOLOL
mad
--
) ( ) (
> / \ <
)\ _---_ /(
/ O O \
_ \ / _
------/_\------(_)------/_\----

> From: "BenignVanilla" >
> Reply-To: "BenignVanilla" >
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:16:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: Gardening - test
>
> I think all top posters should be shot.
>
> BV.
>
> "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> .com...
>> Unless you take care to remove the extraneous groups, any "group reply"
> will
>> go to all the groups that received the post to which you are replying.
>>
>> You can tell by looking closely at the To: list for each message. These
>> things can really deteriorate fast because suddenly posters of a
> particular
>> group are seeing posts from strangers, etc., and so on.
>>
>> To confuse this issue even more, we've suddenly picked up another "anne"
>> (gasp!) here in rec.ponds!
>>
>> What's the big complaint about top posting, anyway? Unless there are
>> multiple parts to debate, it makes a *lot* more sense to me -- at least
>> it's much easier to figure exactly who the current poster is.
>>
>> Anne Lurie
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> "K30a" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Question.
>>> If this post was cross posted in the first place, Anne mentioned several
>>> gardening groups it showed up on... is it still being cross posted?
>>> I'm posting on rec.ponds here.
>>>
>>> k30a
>>> and the watergardening labradors
>>> http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html
>>
>>
>
>



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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Not crossing posting as we seem to have picked up some non-Porgers, but
what is a "top poster"? Or would that be what I'm doing now? ~ jan

>> > No, but top-posters are.
>> >
>> > [Franz Heymann]
>>
>> For heavens sake give it a rest. Do you know how boring you are being.
>
>Not nearly as boring as seeing continued top posting.
>If you think it boring to remind others of good manners, then so be it.
>>
>> Oh never mind *PLONK*
>
>I bet you did not plonk me.
>
>[Franz Heymann]
>


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On 07 Aug 2003 17:50:48 GMT, (K30a) wrote:

>Anne wrote << Unless you take care to remove the extraneous groups, any "group
>reply" will
>go to all the groups >>
>
>Hmmmm. Primitive AOL doesn't seem to have a button for that (MAC on 5.0).
>But it does say at the top that it is posting to rec.ponds and no other group
>is listed.
>I feel like we are eavesdropping on some other groups squabble. ;-)
>
K30, you'll have to use the kids' PC on this thread and see what it does
when you do a reply. Agent gives me the choice of posting to all, or just
current. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[K30a]

jj wrote << K30, you'll have to use the kids' PC on this thread >>

The kids' PC just went light years beyond me when it went DSL... there isn't
enough time or brain power to figure it all out again ;-)




k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[Nedra]

Top posters are frowned on in most other newsgroups.
What you have posted is a top post. The kind I like.

What you usually post is a bottom post.... these are the
ones that quote the previous posts .... and then the current
post. These drive me to distraction... why I seldom answer
them. Wading thru all the posts.... Arrrggghhhhhhhh

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> Not crossing posting as we seem to have picked up some non-Porgers, but
> what is a "top poster"? Or would that be what I'm doing now? ~ jan
>
> >> > No, but top-posters are.
> >> >
> >> > [Franz Heymann]
> >>
> >> For heavens sake give it a rest. Do you know how boring you are
being.
> >
> >Not nearly as boring as seeing continued top posting.
> >If you think it boring to remind others of good manners, then so be it.
> >>
> >> Oh never mind *PLONK*
> >
> >I bet you did not plonk me.
> >
> >[Franz Heymann]
> >
>
>
> See my ponds and filter design:
> http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website
>

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:16:51 -0400
"BenignVanilla" > wrote:

> I think all top posters should be shot.
>
> BV.

And lingering death to bigots!

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[john rutz]

wrote:
> it is a nested set. how many of those little ">>>" things indicate what words go with
> what person. the one with the most was the first person in the queue.
> 99% of the time who said what and in what order isnt important anyway. That part of
> the message is just reference.
> OTOH, I just delete messages where all I see is quoted material at the top. I dont
> bother to scroll down on the off chance there is something there. Ingrid
>

I sort by order recieved,, most times i can remember the gist of the
discusion.
if something comes in and I get lost I resort by thread and follow
the indicator lines back to the post that is being commented on this is
especialy handy when we have drifted completly off subject and someoone
who cant check every day or two posts from the origional discussion
after a week or so.





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[Andrew Burgess]

A: No
Q: Should I top post?

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:47:21 -0500
"Tom La Bron" > wrote:

> And I like it very much if others top post also. If you
> are reading/interested in the thread you usually know the gist of what
> is being relayed by the poster. In this message's case I have to page
> down three time to just to read, "Done. Thanks. Cybe R Wizard."

There were only thirteen lines in my message. How is it possible that
you had to page down three times? Perhaps you need a good newsreader.
need to turn off the HTML, turn off most of the headers, or some other
thing that is giving you so much extra garbage?
Anyway, do whatever it is that you like best, regardless of the
conventions, long thought out and established, of the internet. After
all, Microsoft doesn't care for any of those conventions, why should
you?
Besides, I know how to either scroll down, page down, use 'end,' or just
delete the danged top postings and am not too lazy to do so.
At least I have HTML under control with /this/ cool newsreader.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:00:01 GMT
"Nedra" > wrote:

> Top posters are frowned on in most other newsgroups.
> What you have posted is a top post. The kind I like.
>
> What you usually post is a bottom post.... these are the
> ones that quote the previous posts .... and then the current
> post. These drive me to distraction... why I seldom answer
> them. Wading thru all the posts.... Arrrggghhhhhhhh
>
> Nedra

And that's where snipping out the extranious junk comes in. Why waste
other's time and bandwidth with a bunch of text to which you are not
replying? Bottom posting /after good snipping/ is only polite but most
folks apparently don't wish to be polite. This wish is compounded by
Microsoft 'newsreaders' that give you a prompt at the top. Bad form,
still.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Hal]

I think these references need updating.

Regards,

Hal


On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 04:02:51 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> wrote:

>> http://www.jsiinc.com/newsgroup_document.htm
>> http://fmf.fwn.rug.nl/~anton/topposting.html

[Nedra]

Cybe, Please see SLOTHEAD's post in the thread you initiated:
"Why top posting is bad" ...

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" > wrote in message
news:20030810150628.5df1716e.cyber_wizard@mindspri ng.com...
> On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:00:01 GMT
> "Nedra" > wrote:
>
> > Top posters are frowned on in most other newsgroups.
> > What you have posted is a top post. The kind I like.
> >
> > What you usually post is a bottom post.... these are the
> > ones that quote the previous posts .... and then the current
> > post. These drive me to distraction... why I seldom answer
> > them. Wading thru all the posts.... Arrrggghhhhhhhh
> >
> > Nedra
>
> And that's where snipping out the extranious junk comes in. Why waste
> other's time and bandwidth with a bunch of text to which you are not
> replying? Bottom posting /after good snipping/ is only polite but most
> folks apparently don't wish to be polite. This wish is compounded by
> Microsoft 'newsreaders' that give you a prompt at the top. Bad form,
> still.
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L
>

[Nedra]

I think it really depends upon your newsreader as to whether
or not the posts are easy to follow. OE has all the posts
lumped together. Little doubt as to what the subject is...
even when the subject changes frequently ;-)

I also think it is rather foolhardy to expect this group to adhere
to any method of posting ...
We ponders all have our own favorite ways of doing things -
and so it is and ever shall be :)

Nedra
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"Cybe R. Wizard" > wrote in message
news:20030810180337.1a55e51e.cyber_wizard@mindspri ng.com...
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:42:02 GMT
> "Nedra" > wrote:
>
> > Cybe, Please see SLOTHEAD's post in the thread you initiated:
> > "Why top posting is bad" ...
> >
> > Nedra
>
> I saw it but I don't see how some random quotes from some source or the
> other, mine or his/hers, make any difference to the main discussion. It
> just seems natural to me to have written discussions follow a logical,
> consistent, in-order order, if you will. Proper snippage, as I have
> done, helps a lot, too, and the logical time progression of the thread,
> however snipped or not, is preserved. However, as I've said, I don't
> care how they are posted and there are no hard and fast rules. Some I
> read and some I don't, top, bottom, or middle posted.
>
> I frequent one group <non-disclosable> wherein the convention is to
> top post exclusively, snipping everything else except the particular
> text to which you are replying, but leaving it below your response. I
> tell you, it's hard to follow sometimes.
>
> In the pun group (alt.humor.puns) and the limerick groups
> (alt.arts.limericks and alt,jokes.limericks) the convention is to bottom
> post but snip nothing that has gone before, although posts are snipped
> and a new subject line substituted accordingly whenever a thread forks
> sufficiently.. Once again, though, continuity is established and
> preserved in a logical time progression, regardless of the time of
> propagation on any particular news server or anybody's idea of rules.
>
> I prefer well snipped bottom posting. I read it all or not depending
> upon mood and whether I am expecting responses to particular posts of
> mine. Other than that I really don't care except it sure is easier
> when there is at least agreement among the participants in any
> particular group.
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L
>

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:18:10 GMT
"Nedra" > wrote:

> I think it really depends upon your newsreader as to whether
> or not the posts are easy to follow. OE has all the posts
> lumped together. Little doubt as to what the subject is...
> even when the subject changes frequently ;-)
>
> I also think it is rather foolhardy to expect this group to adhere
> to any method of posting ...
> We ponders all have our own favorite ways of doing things -
> and so it is and ever shall be :)
>
> Nedra

I am fully in your corner on that and think it's time, as is so often
the case on Usenet, to agree to disagree, but still remain buddies.
I'll read your top posts sometimes, you'll read my bottom posts
sometimes. OK?

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[K30a]

I think I'll post in the middle, just to even
things out a bit...
k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Bottom posting /after good snipping/ is only polite but most
>folks apparently don't wish to be polite. This wish is compounded by
>Microsoft 'newsreaders' that give you a prompt at the top. Bad form,
>still. >Cybe R. Wizard

I'm not sure if it's always rudeness or not knowing how to use their
editing features on their keyboards correctly. I'm curious, how many people
on here all know how to do a block highlight and delete? ~ jan

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[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:00:22 -0700, ~ jan JJsPond. us wrote:

>>... Bad form, still.
>>Cybe R. Wizard

> I'm not sure if it's always rudeness or not knowing how to use their
> editing features on their keyboards correctly. I'm curious, how many people
> on here all know how to do a block highlight and delete? ~
>jan

I like the block highlight and reply feature on your reader. It's a
feature that has been copied in my own newsreader (Sylpheed-claws) and
makes snipping very easy. Just highlight the text to which you wish to
reply, hit 'reply', and everything else is snipped for you. Good job,
Forte!

Cybe -posting from Pan right now to test it's new feature set.

[mad]

nope--just lazy...
mad


> From: "Cybe R. Wizard" >
> Organization: Interdementia-nal Consortium of Wizardly Dudes
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:05:22 GMT
> Subject: Re: Gardening - test
>
> Bottom posting /after good snipping/ is only polite but most
> folks apparently don't wish to be polite.
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[mad]

amen!
mad


> From: "Nedra" >
> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:18:10 GMT
> Subject: Re: Top post advocation. was: Re: Gardening - test
>
> so it is and ever shall be :)
>
> Nedra
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in my nose."
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[mad]

> From: ~ jan JJsPond.us >
> Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED
> Newsgroups.
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:00:22 -0700
> Subject: Re: Gardening - test
>
> how many people
> on here all know how to do a block highlight and delete? ~ jan

i do--- LOL
mad

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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Besides, I know how to either scroll down, page down, use 'end,' or just
>delete the danged top postings and am not too lazy to do so.
>At least I have HTML under control with /this/ cool newsreader.
>
>Cybe R. Wizard

Have to agree here. When I'm reading rec.ponds one finger of my right hand
sits on Delete an another on Page Down. Delete gives me the next message,
Page down to read all, delete, page down, continue. Only time my hands are
moving else where is to type, or drink tea. ;o)

But then, I really don't care if one is on top or bottom, I'm flexible.
<evil smirk> ~ jan

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~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
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[zookeeper]

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
> Have to agree here. When I'm reading rec.ponds one finger of my right hand
> sits on Delete an another on Page Down. Delete gives me the next message,
> Page down to read all, delete, page down, continue. Only time my hands are
> moving else where is to type, or drink tea. ;o)
>
> But then, I really don't care if one is on top or bottom, I'm flexible.
> <evil smirk> ~ jan

Yes, one must be flexible to be a good gardener or PORGer <snort>, and
it's really handy at other times as well. ;-)
--
Zk

[D Kat]

And I was hoping you had moved to the left.... :)

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "K30a" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I think I'll post in the middle, just to even
> > things out a bit...
> > k30a
> > and the watergardening labradors
> > http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html
>
>
> That's it then...I am going to post on the right from now on.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Sam Hopkins]

I agree. Why waste your life and the life of others by making people scroll
all the way down to the end of a message they just read.

Then again I could really care less. Some people top post (like me), some
people bottom post. I middle post when I answer multiple questions. I've
been on the net since 1991 and BBSing well before that. I've seen posting
every which way.

So post how you'd like but don't tell people not to post how they'd like. If
you don't like how people post then don't read the message.

Sam

"D Kat" > wrote in message
...
> I thought posting on top was the ONLY courteous way to post. If I'm
reading
> the thread, then I already know what has been previously posted and if I
> have to go hunting for what the poster has to say in the middle or end of
a
> post containing a lot of the previous message then I just skip the
posting.
> Granted, my memory is getting bad but if I have to re-read the whole
bloody
> thread each time I read a posting in it then I belong confined somewhere
to
> keep me safe (in the net) and not off on the net. So I will continue to
> top-post (and hope to hell that I haven't just complained about the
violins
> on TV). DK
>
>
> "mad" > wrote in message
> ...
> > i'm with you, anne lurie. i would think that top-posting was definitely
> > better. oh well...
> > mad
> > --
> > Two vultures board an airplane, each one carrying two dead raccoons.
> > The stewardess looks at them and says, "I'm sorry, gentlemen, only
> > one carrion allowed per passenger."
> >
> > > From: "Anne Lurie" >
> > > Organization: Road Runner - NC
> > > Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> > > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:41:36 GMT
> > > Subject: Re: Gardening - test
> > >
> > > Unless you take care to remove the extraneous groups, any "group
reply"
> will
> > > go to all the groups that received the post to which you are replying.
> > >
> > > You can tell by looking closely at the To: list for each message.
These
> > > things can really deteriorate fast because suddenly posters of a
> particular
> > > group are seeing posts from strangers, etc., and so on.
> > >
> > > To confuse this issue even more, we've suddenly picked up another
"anne"
> > > (gasp!) here in rec.ponds!
> > >
> > > What's the big complaint about top posting, anyway? Unless there are
> > > multiple parts to debate, it makes a *lot* more sense to me -- at
> least
> > > it's much easier to figure exactly who the current poster is.
> > >
> > > Anne Lurie
> > > Raleigh, NC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "K30a" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >>
> > >> Question.
> > >> If this post was cross posted in the first place, Anne mentioned
> several
> > >> gardening groups it showed up on... is it still being cross posted?
> > >> I'm posting on rec.ponds here.
> > >>
> > >> k30a
> > >> and the watergardening labradors
> > >> http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>

[AngrieWoman]

"D Kat" > wrote in message
...
> I thought posting on top was the ONLY courteous way to post. If I'm
reading
> the thread, then I already know what has been previously posted and if I
> have to go hunting for what the poster has to say in the middle or end of
a
> post containing a lot of the previous message then I just skip the
posting.
> Granted, my memory is getting bad but if I have to re-read the whole
bloody
> thread each time I read a posting in it then I belong confined somewhere
to
> keep me safe (in the net) and not off on the net. So I will continue to
> top-post (and hope to hell that I haven't just complained about the
violins
> on TV). DK

It is group specific protocol. The polite way to behave is to look and see
what other people are doing. Rome, Romans, all that.

A



>
>
> "mad" > wrote in message
> ...
> > i'm with you, anne lurie. i would think that top-posting was definitely
> > better. oh well...
> > mad
> > --
> > Two vultures board an airplane, each one carrying two dead raccoons.
> > The stewardess looks at them and says, "I'm sorry, gentlemen, only
> > one carrion allowed per passenger."
> >
> > > From: "Anne Lurie" >
> > > Organization: Road Runner - NC
> > > Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> > > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:41:36 GMT
> > > Subject: Re: Gardening - test
> > >
> > > Unless you take care to remove the extraneous groups, any "group
reply"
> will
> > > go to all the groups that received the post to which you are replying.
> > >
> > > You can tell by looking closely at the To: list for each message.
These
> > > things can really deteriorate fast because suddenly posters of a
> particular
> > > group are seeing posts from strangers, etc., and so on.
> > >
> > > To confuse this issue even more, we've suddenly picked up another
"anne"
> > > (gasp!) here in rec.ponds!
> > >
> > > What's the big complaint about top posting, anyway? Unless there are
> > > multiple parts to debate, it makes a *lot* more sense to me -- at
> least
> > > it's much easier to figure exactly who the current poster is.
> > >
> > > Anne Lurie
> > > Raleigh, NC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "K30a" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >>
> > >> Question.
> > >> If this post was cross posted in the first place, Anne mentioned
> several
> > >> gardening groups it showed up on... is it still being cross posted?
> > >> I'm posting on rec.ponds here.
> > >>
> > >> k30a
> > >> and the watergardening labradors
> > >> http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/index.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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[jammer]

As long as I include what i am referring to, i do not see the harm in
top posting. Many times i skip over a message that i would have to
scroll down to read.


On 19 Aug 2003 01:09:42 GMT, (K30a) wrote:

>
>The whole top posting issue showed up when another group started cross posting
>here due to a spammer. I was the one who asked what they were yammering about,
>what is this top posting they are so booooooringly concerned about? To me
>reading through all the previous lines in the thread was beyond tedious. They
>seem to have gone away now.
>And we seem to have our own helter skelter way of posting, neither fish nor
>fowl or even frog...
>
>
>k30a
>and the watergardening labradors
>http://www.geocities.com/watergardeninglabradors/home.html

[mad]

AMEN!
mad
--
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Dave Barry

> From: jammer >
> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:31:49 -0500
> Subject: Re: Top Posting
>
>
> As long as I include what i am referring to, i do not see the harm in
> top posting. Many times i skip over a message that i would have to
> scroll down to read.



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