Morning horror

[FBCS]

I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick trip to
the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the usual
nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a submersed
pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of water
left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
with all this new water I still have murky water.

Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the smaller
particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.

What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond empty
..... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read to
many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann

[MISSYMAGICGIRL]

I had that same experience last week. What happened was tubbing pumping into
the filter came loss and off the filter inlet and pumped all water out of the
pond except for about 2 ". The next day I lost all my catfish and 2 koi's. The
others are still ok and I just got two white catfish. i learned that always
use tubbing fastnerers.


Sacha

[Andrew Burgess]

"FBCS" > writes:

>I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick trip to
>the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the usual
>nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a submersed
>pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of water
>left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
>with all this new water I still have murky water.

Good reason not to have the pump on the bottom. Similar downside with
bottom fed bottom drains. Hope everyone survives.

[Matt Helliwell]

FBCS wrote:

> I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick trip to
> the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the usual
> nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a submersed
> pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of water
> left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
> with all this new water I still have murky water.
>
> Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
> storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the smaller
> particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.
>
> What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond empty

Glad to see its not just me that worrys about these things. I ended up
buying a pump with a float switch on it: once the water gets down to
30cm or so, the pump cuts out.

--
Matt Helliwell
www.helliwell.me.uk
matt at helliwell dot me dot uk

[Anne Lurie]

{{{{Joann}}}

Aside from a cyber-hug, I don't have much to offer, since my teeny water
garden pales in comparison to what many here in rec.ponds have.

However, here's a thought: you might have murky water in your pond because
the whole water system was messed up, big-time, by the storm you described?

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC



"FBCS" > wrote in message
...
> I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick trip
to
> the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
> nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
> pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of water
> left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
> with all this new water I still have murky water.
>
> Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
> storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the smaller
> particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.
>
> What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
> .... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
to
> many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
>
>

[[email protected]]

did you run in ice cold water? I would highly suggest you move that pump higher into
the top 1/3 of the water column so you dont lose even that much water. Ingrid

"FBCS" > wrote:
>I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick trip to
>the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the usual
>nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a submersed
>pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of water
>left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
>with all this new water I still have murky water.


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[GaneaRowenna]

I placed my pump on the top of a cinder block. I hear you, but I had the
block soaking for a year before I added fish, shouldn't I be safe by now?

ShawenAnne
High Desert, Zone 6

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:09:15 GMT, "FBCS" > wrote:

>What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond empty
>.... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read to
>many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
>
Analyze the dream or the reality? I've had dreams like this, building
another pond seemed to cure me. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[Theo van Daele]

The possible caveat with that is - as I sadly know from experience - if the
spilled water flows back *under* the liner (if you work with a liner) it
pushes the liner up which pushes the water up to reach the pump, flows back
under the liner... you get the idea :( I completely drained (no water left
at all :eek:, maybe 50 gallon) a 6000 gallon pond in about 7 hours ...

I was just lucky to have this happen before I put my fish back into the
pond.

I now have the pump 40 cm from the bottom, but with a very large rock (yes,
I know) underneath so that if the same ever happens again, the liner will
not just float on top but will be kept down (a bit).

I am currently looking for a switch that should stop the pumps when water
level drops say 15 inches.

Theo

"RichToyBox" > schreef in bericht
et...
> Set the pump on a bucket, block or chimney flue to keep it off the bottom
of
> the pond. If you can, make a plumbing connection to the pump that goes to
> the bottom with pipe for the pickup to act as a bottom drain, but put a
hole
> in the pipe near the pump. When the water falls lower than the hole, the
> pump will start pumping air, and the fish will still have an adequate
amount
> of water to swim in.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
>
>
> "FBCS" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
> to
> > the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
> usual
> > nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
> submersed
> > pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
> > left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
> > with all this new water I still have murky water.
> >
> > Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
> > storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
> > particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.
> >
> > What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
> empty
> > .... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
> to
> > many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
> >
> >
>
>

[Lee Brouillet]

Everyone else has given you very good suggestions for moving the pump off
the bottom of the pond. My pump intake is in my skimmer box, so the max it
can pump out accidently is about 25%. If I want to pump out more than that
on purpose, I have to switch piping.

As far as your dreams are concerned: yeh, I have nightmares about the pond,
too. It's usually my mind working out a problem, or warning me that I have
to take care of an existing "fault" before it *becomes* a problem! It just
shows that you're a responsible pond owner! It's not bad enough that you
spend a considerable amount of time on a daily basis worrying about the li'l
darlin's, then you have to DREAM about them, too????? <GBG>!

Lee

"FBCS" > wrote in message
...
> I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick trip
to
> the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
> nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
> pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of water
> left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
> with all this new water I still have murky water.
>
> Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
> storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the smaller
> particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.
>
> What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
> .... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
to
> many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
>
>

[BenignVanilla]

"Andrew Burgess" > wrote in message
...
> "FBCS" > writes:
>
> >I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick trip
to
> >the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
usual
> >nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
submersed
> >pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of water
> >left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
> >with all this new water I still have murky water.
>
> Good reason not to have the pump on the bottom. Similar downside with
> bottom fed bottom drains. Hope everyone survives.
>

I have a BD which feeds my VF. My pump is in my VF. My VF is uphill from my
pond (don't ask). Even if you took the output out of the pump and put it
outside the pond. I would lose only a foot or two of water, before the water
level dropped below the pump. Not intentional, but it works.

BV.

[BenignVanilla]

"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
...
> The possible caveat with that is - as I sadly know from experience - if
the
> spilled water flows back *under* the liner (if you work with a liner) it
> pushes the liner up which pushes the water up to reach the pump, flows
back
> under the liner... you get the idea :( I completely drained (no water
left
> at all :eek:, maybe 50 gallon) a 6000 gallon pond in about 7 hours ...
>
> I was just lucky to have this happen before I put my fish back into the
> pond.
>
> I now have the pump 40 cm from the bottom, but with a very large rock
(yes,
> I know) underneath so that if the same ever happens again, the liner will
> not just float on top but will be kept down (a bit).
<snip>

Theo...I speak from experience. If your 'rock' cannot be described as 'a
boulder', 'it took 5 of us to move it', 'and then the back hoe put it down',
or 'as big as a volkswagon'...IT WILL NOT hold the liner down. I had
probably close to 100 lb's of rock on my liner before the pond was done, and
my VF lifted ALL of it out of the ground.

Water is stronger then the hulk AND spiderman.

BV.

[FBCS]

LOL Can you see me at the analyst discussing my new addiction and dreams of
my pond/fish? Thank God I have other things that preoccupy my time.

I like the ideas of the pump in the skimmer or VF. Since I am about to
enlarge I guess this should be the plan, but all pumps I have looked at in
the Sequence series are out of pond. Joann
"Lee Brouillet" > wrote in message
...
> Everyone else has given you very good suggestions for moving the pump off
> the bottom of the pond. My pump intake is in my skimmer box, so the max it
> can pump out accidently is about 25%. If I want to pump out more than that
> on purpose, I have to switch piping.
>
> As far as your dreams are concerned: yeh, I have nightmares about the
pond,
> too. It's usually my mind working out a problem, or warning me that I have
> to take care of an existing "fault" before it *becomes* a problem! It just
> shows that you're a responsible pond owner! It's not bad enough that you
> spend a considerable amount of time on a daily basis worrying about the
li'l
> darlin's, then you have to DREAM about them, too????? <GBG>!
>
> Lee
>
> "FBCS" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
> to
> > the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
> usual
> > nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
> submersed
> > pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
> > left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
> > with all this new water I still have murky water.
> >
> > Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
> > storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
> > particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.
> >
> > What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
> empty
> > .... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
> to
> > many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
> >
> >
>
>

[FBCS]

Hi Rich I like this idea, if I don't get my new pond (digging) completed
this year.
"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
et...
> Set the pump on a bucket, block or chimney flue to keep it off the bottom
of
> the pond. If you can, make a plumbing connection to the pump that goes to
> the bottom with pipe for the pickup to act as a bottom drain, but put a
hole
> in the pipe near the pump. When the water falls lower than the hole, the
> pump will start pumping air, and the fish will still have an adequate
amount
> of water to swim in.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
>
>
> "FBCS" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
> to
> > the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
> usual
> > nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
> submersed
> > pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
> > left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
> > with all this new water I still have murky water.
> >
> > Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
> > storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
> > particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.
> >
> > What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
> empty
> > .... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
> to
> > many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
> >
> >
>
>

[FBCS]

Matt has the switch.
"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
...
> The possible caveat with that is - as I sadly know from experience - if
the
> spilled water flows back *under* the liner (if you work with a liner) it
> pushes the liner up which pushes the water up to reach the pump, flows
back
> under the liner... you get the idea :( I completely drained (no water
left
> at all :eek:, maybe 50 gallon) a 6000 gallon pond in about 7 hours ...
>
> I was just lucky to have this happen before I put my fish back into the
> pond.
>
> I now have the pump 40 cm from the bottom, but with a very large rock
(yes,
> I know) underneath so that if the same ever happens again, the liner will
> not just float on top but will be kept down (a bit).
>
> I am currently looking for a switch that should stop the pumps when water
> level drops say 15 inches.
>
> Theo
>
> "RichToyBox" > schreef in bericht
> et...
> > Set the pump on a bucket, block or chimney flue to keep it off the
bottom
> of
> > the pond. If you can, make a plumbing connection to the pump that goes
to
> > the bottom with pipe for the pickup to act as a bottom drain, but put a
> hole
> > in the pipe near the pump. When the water falls lower than the hole,
the
> > pump will start pumping air, and the fish will still have an adequate
> amount
> > of water to swim in.
> > --
> > RichToyBox
> > http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> >
> >
> > "FBCS" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
> trip
> > to
> > > the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
> > usual
> > > nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
> > submersed
> > > pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
> water
> > > left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine.
Even
> > > with all this new water I still have murky water.
> > >
> > > Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and
rain
> > > storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
> smaller
> > > particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.
> > >
> > > What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
> > empty
> > > .... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I
read
> > to
> > > many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[FBCS]

It has been messed up since early season. We have had soooo..... much rain
this year, plus an overload of fish and changing Mech bio filter mid stream
hasn't helped. I need a bigger pond, a bigger filter and a bigger purse.
Thanks for the hug, i'm just glad my fish are okay. Joann
"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
...
> {{{{Joann}}}
>
> Aside from a cyber-hug, I don't have much to offer, since my teeny water
> garden pales in comparison to what many here in rec.ponds have.
>
> However, here's a thought: you might have murky water in your pond
because
> the whole water system was messed up, big-time, by the storm you
described?
>
> Anne Lurie
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
> "FBCS" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I awoke this morning and as every morning I went outside for a quick
trip
> to
> > the pond to feed the fish while coffee is making. To my horror not the
> usual
> > nice sounds of water running down the falls, but the gurgling of a
> submersed
> > pump in an just about empty pond. Fortunately there was about 3" of
water
> > left for the fish. I filled it back up and the fish are doing fine. Even
> > with all this new water I still have murky water.
> >
> > Last night we had tornado warnings resulting in bad lightening and rain
> > storm. Filter material I placed in the falls to clean some of the
smaller
> > particles got turned around and caused the falls to run over.
> >
> > What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
> empty
> > .... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
> to
> > many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
> >
> >
>
>

[FBCS]

I like the cure!
"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:09:15 GMT, "FBCS" > wrote:
>
> >What is really weird is I have dreams like this. I come out, the pond
empty
> >.... or fish laying outside the pond.... or all floating. I think I read
to
> >many rec mails. Anyone want to analyze this. Joann
> >
> Analyze the dream or the reality? I've had dreams like this, building
> another pond seemed to cure me. ;o) ~ jan
>
> See my ponds and filter design:
> http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website

[MISSYMAGICGIRL]

In article >, "FBCS"
> writes:

>
>Sorry for the loss, my fish seem to be okay.

Thanks.

[Theo van Daele]

Looking in to it right now, thanks for the pointer.


"Matt Helliwell" > schreef in bericht
...

> I haven't seen them for sale as an add on: I bought my pump with one
> fitted, like this one:
>
>
http://www.drapertools.com/draper/templates/draper/ShowImage.asp?itemgroup=7
058&g=4988
>
> This means my pump can be at the lowest point on the pond and so manged
> to suck up more of the grud that gets down there.
>
> Thinking about it, I suppose you could rig up a float switch bought from
> RS Components (http://rswww.com) or similar.

[[email protected]]

yes., it is rare that a cement block is a problem or creates a problem with pH.
gotta be very small pond. Ingrid

(GaneaRowenna) wrote:

>I placed my pump on the top of a cinder block. I hear you, but I had the
>block soaking for a year before I added fish, shouldn't I be safe by now?
>
>ShawenAnne
>High Desert, Zone 6



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