fish deformities

[Judi9000]

While observing fish at a koi show I spotted one that was for sale that had a
crooked face.

Why are some koi deformed?
Does this happen with other fish?
Where can I get info?

[ponder]

Was it the fish or the markings that made it look that way?
Breeders get rid of what is not top quality, they cant keep everything,
sometimes even what looks really bad maybe only something that happened to
that fish when it was young, if it was born that way, dont touch it unless
very very cheap or free, it may 'throw' that deformity into its offspring,
but an accident will not harm the offspring.
www.koivet.com


Judi9000 > wrote in message
...
> While observing fish at a koi show I spotted one that was for sale that
had a
> crooked face.
>
> Why are some koi deformed?
> Does this happen with other fish?
> Where can I get info?
>
>

[Judi9000]

This ones face was crooked! He was with several other fish and the breeder
didn't notice it. I asked him about it because I was curious and had never seen
that before. He was a little bothered and kind of just acted like it wasn't
there. I was just wondering if these types of things happen with just koi or
all fish, and what causes it.

[ponder]

He still wanted to sell it, so he would make little of it. No it is not
common.


Judi9000 > wrote in message
...
> This ones face was crooked! He was with several other fish and the breeder
> didn't notice it. I asked him about it because I was curious and had never
seen
> that before. He was a little bothered and kind of just acted like it
wasn't
> there. I was just wondering if these types of things happen with just koi
or
> all fish, and what causes it.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On 29 Oct 2003 04:02:38 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

>This ones face was crooked! He was with several other fish and the breeder
>didn't notice it. I asked him about it because I was curious and had never seen
>that before. He was a little bothered and kind of just acted like it wasn't
>there. I was just wondering if these types of things happen with just koi or
>all fish, and what causes it.

Yes, it is common. It just isn't common to have one of much size show up at
a show for sale, imo. If it had pretty markings a crooked face would still
be a good pond quality fish. My biggest fish has a crooked mouth, gives her
personality, of the babies I've had survive from her none have had this
defect, but I'm sure if every one of her eggs were to survived we'd see a
lot more. ~ jan


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[Judi9000]

This one was just a solid white guy. Do you know what causes this?

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On 03 Nov 2003 17:36:38 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

>This one was just a solid white guy. Do you know what causes this?

Generics. ~ jan


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[BenignVanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> On 03 Nov 2003 17:36:38 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:
>
> >This one was just a solid white guy. Do you know what causes this?
>
> Generics. ~ jan

I'm a pretty solid white guy. Not sure what caused me.

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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:12:43 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote:

>> >This one was just a solid white guy. Do you know what causes this?
>>
>> Generics. ~ jan
>
>I'm a pretty solid white guy.

Genetics (I'm having deja vue). ;o)

>Not sure what caused me.

I'm sure "the wild thing" can be blamed. ~ jan
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[Judi9000]

SOOOO funny! I meant,"do you know what causes the crooked face?". I'm
understanding now that it's possibly from lack of vit.C, or too small of a
living space, or was injured, or just genetics. You people are just plane
funny.

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most deformities of this kind are either there at birth from developmental defects
during development of the embryo, or, due to poor nutrition, or, recovery from
serious infection. Ingrid


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[Judi9000]

Hi again Ingrid. I don't have any deformities in any of my fish. I just noticed
one for sale at a koi show. I was just a little interested in finding out more
about it. Thank you for your replies. Judi

[Tom La Bron]

Hi Judi,

Besides Genetics, fish deformities can be cause by high ammonia content in
the water when eggs are developing. Deformities can also occur when quick
temperature changes occur to eggs or fry. One of the biggest reasons for
fish deformities is water quality during the fry stage. High ammonia, high
nitrites and chemicals in the water are all reasons for deformities. Poor
water quality is probably the biggest reason for deformities in KOI and
Goldfish fry and can cause other physical damage to the fish is continued as
the fish grows.

Like I always have said, "the third things for good fish care is Good water,
clear water, Clean water. If you concentrate on these three precepts you
will have happy, health fish.

Tom L.L.
"Judi9000" > wrote in message
...
> Hi again Ingrid. I don't have any deformities in any of my fish. I just
noticed
> one for sale at a koi show. I was just a little interested in finding out
more
> about it. Thank you for your replies. Judi

[Elizabeth Naime]

I've never seen a crooked-face fish, but at one time a lot of the small
koi in the local pet stores (not speciality fish stores) looked quite
normal from above, but from the side it was apparent that their tails
were turned up. Normal fish profile up to the peduncle, I think it's
called, then a noticeable elbow -- looked about 25-30 degrees.

Some of them were pretty enough fish otherwise, and I seriously
considered them, but didn't know how serious the tail thing was. Haven't
seen them lately so either it was one "bad batch" due to conditions
during and shortly after spawning, or a genetic thing whose parents
haven't been spawning for those companies since. Anyway, would this type
of deformity cause problems?


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Only know that there is no spork.

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not sure, but why buy somebody's culls and if they were so poorly grown in the first
place what other hidden problems are there? Ingrid

Elizabeth Naime > wrote:

>I've never seen a crooked-face fish, but at one time a lot of the small
>koi in the local pet stores (not speciality fish stores) looked quite
>normal from above, but from the side it was apparent that their tails
>were turned up. Normal fish profile up to the peduncle, I think it's
>called, then a noticeable elbow -- looked about 25-30 degrees.
>
>Some of them were pretty enough fish otherwise, and I seriously
>considered them, but didn't know how serious the tail thing was. Haven't
>seen them lately so either it was one "bad batch" due to conditions
>during and shortly after spawning, or a genetic thing whose parents
>haven't been spawning for those companies since. Anyway, would this type
>of deformity cause problems?
>
>
>-----------------------------------------
>Only know that there is no spork.



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[Judi9000]

thanks ingrid and tom