Fire all around me! Tall raging Fire I say!

[Just Me \Koi\]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.

Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting bigger.
We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here typing,
I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than 5
miles from me.

They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets above
me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
mandatory evacuation.

So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have so
much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping fast,
and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had a Ph
crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is advising
all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.

Life goes on.



--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

[RichToyBox]

Dump in baking soda, a couple of pounds per thousand gallons of water and it
will help to buffer the pH. Keep your eyes open. It was in 1970 that I was
in Port Hueneme with fire touching the ocean at Ventura and going through
the mountains and touching the ocean at Santa Monica. I know the feelings
you are going through. Hope they don't decide that your pond is a source of
fire fighting water.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
> enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.
>
> Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
> California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting
bigger.
> We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here
typing,
> I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than
5
> miles from me.
>
> They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets
above
> me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
> mandatory evacuation.
>
> So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have so
> much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping
fast,
> and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had a
Ph
> crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is
advising
> all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
> control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.
>
> Life goes on.
>
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[K30a]

Stay safe!!
I've also been in a big fire
and it is a scary thing.


k30a

[Nedra]

Hello ...

I have been wondering who was in
Rancho Cucamonga from our group... Please
take care!!! I am worried about you two leggeds,
the 4 leggeds And your fish. Prayers are with you guys.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
> enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.
>
> Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
> California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting
bigger.
> We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here
typing,
> I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than
5
> miles from me.
>
> They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets
above
> me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
> mandatory evacuation.
>
> So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have so
> much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping
fast,
> and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had a
Ph
> crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is
advising
> all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
> control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.
>
> Life goes on.
>
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

See you all later. We've been asked to leave for a while as a precaution.
Houses about 1/4 mile above us are on fire!

I'll keep you all posted when we come back!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
> enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.
>
> Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
> California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting
bigger.
> We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here
typing,
> I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than
5
> miles from me.
>
> They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets
above
> me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
> mandatory evacuation.
>
> So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have so
> much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping
fast,
> and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had a
Ph
> crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is
advising
> all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
> control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.
>
> Life goes on.
>
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[jammer]

I was watching that on the news. Good luck and i hope your property is
spared. Sounds rather frightening to me!




On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:02:52 GMT, "Just Me \"Koi\""
> wrote:

>Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
>You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
>enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.
>
>Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
>California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting bigger.
>We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here typing,
>I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than 5
>miles from me.
>
>They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets above
>me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
>mandatory evacuation.
>
>So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have so
>much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping fast,
>and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had a Ph
>crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is advising
>all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
>control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.
>
>Life goes on.

[Mostyn]

I do hpoe the the wind changes direction and drives the fire away from you
or better still the fire fighters get control of it.
fingers crossed.
Mostyn
"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
> enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.
>
> Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
> California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting
bigger.
> We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here
typing,
> I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than
5
> miles from me.
>
> They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets
above
> me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
> mandatory evacuation.
>
> So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have so
> much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping
fast,
> and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had a
Ph
> crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is
advising
> all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
> control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.
>
> Life goes on.
>
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[pixi]

May God be with you and keep you and yours safe.

Pixi


"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> See you all later. We've been asked to leave for a while as a precaution.
> Houses about 1/4 mile above us are on fire!
>
> I'll keep you all posted when we come back!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> >
> > You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
> > enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.
> >
> > Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
> > California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting
> bigger.
> > We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here
> typing,
> > I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less
than
> 5
> > miles from me.
> >
> > They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets
> above
> > me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
> > mandatory evacuation.
> >
> > So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have
so
> > much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping
> fast,
> > and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had
a
> Ph
> > crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is
> advising
> > all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
> > control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.
> >
> > Life goes on.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________
> > "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> > like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> > The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[tdreeves]

Just me Koi, Our prayers are with you and yours. Hope to hear from you soon
with good news. Kc
"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
> enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.
>
> Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
> California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting
bigger.
> We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here
typing,
> I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than
5
> miles from me.
>
> They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets
above
> me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
> mandatory evacuation.
>
> So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have so
> much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping
fast,
> and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had a
Ph
> crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is
advising
> all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
> control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.
>
> Life goes on.
>
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[Steve J. Noll]

Wow - the smoke is so thick here that it filters the sun so much
so you can easily see sunspots with the naked eye!


Steve J. Noll | Ventura California
| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv

[RED1102]

Please be safe, a pond can always be replaced and even thou devastating so can
a home, but a human life can never be.
Thought are with you
Carole
NJ

[Just Me \Koi\]

Thank you all for your good wishes again.

The fire was three houses from me.
Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!

A city about 20 miles east of me (San Bernardino) lost over 250 houses, city
west of me (Claremont) was rumored to have lost 30 houses so far, and my
neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.

Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!

My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here the
fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
describe! If hell is anything like that......!

Anyway all is well, no one died in my area. My Family, including my dogs
are ok! All my Koi are ok so far, I cleaned all the murk from the pond as
best as I can, and they are just fine now!

Thanks again, and yes indeed, the fire brought all the neighbors together.
We were all looking out for each other. I had to help an older neighbor of
mine walk one of his two horses a few miles down the hill away from the
fire. We had never spoken to each other ever before.

Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
school and me for work!

Good night all!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

[RichToyBox]

Great news. Hope the fires stay away from you now.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
> The fire was three houses from me.
> Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
> like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
> chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
>
> A city about 20 miles east of me (San Bernardino) lost over 250 houses,
city
> west of me (Claremont) was rumored to have lost 30 houses so far, and my
> neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.
>
> Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!
>
> My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
> firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
> void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
> business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here
the
> fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
> feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
> describe! If hell is anything like that......!
>
> Anyway all is well, no one died in my area. My Family, including my dogs
> are ok! All my Koi are ok so far, I cleaned all the murk from the pond as
> best as I can, and they are just fine now!
>
> Thanks again, and yes indeed, the fire brought all the neighbors together.
> We were all looking out for each other. I had to help an older neighbor
of
> mine walk one of his two horses a few miles down the hill away from the
> fire. We had never spoken to each other ever before.
>
> Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
> school and me for work!
>
> Good night all!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[rtk]

I AM SO GLAD TO HEAR FROM YOU AND KNOW ALL IS WELL! Believe me, anyone
who read your note earlier today was thinking of you.

Ruth K

Just Me "Koi" wrote:

> Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
> The fire was three houses from me.
> Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
> like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
> chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
>
> A city about 20 miles east of me (San Bernardino) lost over 250 houses, city
> west of me (Claremont) was rumored to have lost 30 houses so far, and my
> neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.
>
> Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!
>
> My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
> firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
> void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
> business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here the
> fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
> feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
> describe! If hell is anything like that......!
>
> Anyway all is well, no one died in my area. My Family, including my dogs
> are ok! All my Koi are ok so far, I cleaned all the murk from the pond as
> best as I can, and they are just fine now!
>
> Thanks again, and yes indeed, the fire brought all the neighbors together.
> We were all looking out for each other. I had to help an older neighbor of
> mine walk one of his two horses a few miles down the hill away from the
> fire. We had never spoken to each other ever before.
>
> Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
> school and me for work!
>
> Good night all!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[Zookeeper]

Just Me \"Koi\" wrote:
> Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
> The fire was three houses from me.
> ... my
> neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.
>
> Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!
> ...
> Anyway all is well ... My Family, including my dogs
> are ok! All my Koi are ok so far ...
>
> Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
> school and me for work!

So glad to hear you're all okay and safe. Take care.
--
Zk
3500gal pond, 13 pond piggies
Oregon, USDA Zone 7

[Critical Popperian]

> Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!

Holy Crap Mate! Very happy to hear!!! :)

[jammer]

Wow! Glad you are safe!





On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:57:53 GMT, "Just Me \"Koi\""
> wrote:

>Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
>The fire was three houses from me.
>Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
>like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
>chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
>
>A city about 20 miles east of me (San Bernardino) lost over 250 houses, city
>west of me (Claremont) was rumored to have lost 30 houses so far, and my
>neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.
>
>Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!
>
>My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
>firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
>void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
>business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here the
>fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
>feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
>describe! If hell is anything like that......!
>
>Anyway all is well, no one died in my area. My Family, including my dogs
>are ok! All my Koi are ok so far, I cleaned all the murk from the pond as
>best as I can, and they are just fine now!
>
>Thanks again, and yes indeed, the fire brought all the neighbors together.
>We were all looking out for each other. I had to help an older neighbor of
>mine walk one of his two horses a few miles down the hill away from the
>fire. We had never spoken to each other ever before.
>
>Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
>school and me for work!
>
>Good night all!

[Bonnie]

Just Me \"Koi\" wrote:

>
> Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
> school and me for work!
>
> Good night all!
>
> --

It is so good to read your message this morning.
Take care and be well.
--
Bonnie
NJ

[Steve and Lisa]

Wow .....just popped on this morning and what a weekend you had! Glad to
read all are safe and sound.

I was wondering, are many people out there using that foam on their houses
to protect them?

Lisa

[K30a]

good news!!
k30a

[joe]

Glad to hear your good news. We live in San Diego, so yesterday was a pretty
awful day here. We were loaded and ready to run, but they stopped the fire
about a mile from us. The winds died down over night, but they are
predicting more Santa Ana's today. I feel so sad for all the people who have
lost their homes.

According to the news so far 11 deaths, well over 150,000 acres burned and
more than 300 homes. I'm with you, watching the fire fighters on the TV was
inspirational.

One of the big problems here was that a lot of San Diego County fire
fighting resources were fighting the fires at Riverside county.


Joe




Just Me "Koi" wrote:

> My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
> firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
> void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
> business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here the
> fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
> feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
> describe! If hell is anything like that......!



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[BenignVanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
> The fire was three houses from me.
> Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
> like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
> chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
<snip>

Glad to hear you are OK, and now that we do know you are OK, it's time for
typical sophomoric humor. I figured you would at least be expecting this
from me, if not somone else around here.

So what will next week's urban legend be about? A Koi that was sucked up
into a helicopter and lived only to be dropped on the fire to put it out?
Hmm, not very funny. OK how about this, Reason #345 not to have a VF...they
burn. No, that sucks too. Hmm. Ohh, Ohh...I got it...how do your fish look?
any damage? are they "ashen" in color? Yeah, that works.

Glad to hear you survived.

BV.

[Dave Fouchey]

That is excellent news from aa horrible event. Glad you and yours are
fine. Wild fires suck.

Dave


On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:57:53 GMT, "Just Me \"Koi\""
> wrote:

>Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
>The fire was three houses from me.
>Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
>like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
>chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
>
>A city about 20 miles east of me (San Bernardino) lost over 250 houses, city
>west of me (Claremont) was rumored to have lost 30 houses so far, and my
>neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.
>
>Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!
>
>My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
>firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
>void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
>business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here the
>fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
>feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
>describe! If hell is anything like that......!
>
>Anyway all is well, no one died in my area. My Family, including my dogs
>are ok! All my Koi are ok so far, I cleaned all the murk from the pond as
>best as I can, and they are just fine now!
>
>Thanks again, and yes indeed, the fire brought all the neighbors together.
>We were all looking out for each other. I had to help an older neighbor of
>mine walk one of his two horses a few miles down the hill away from the
>fire. We had never spoken to each other ever before.
>
>Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
>school and me for work!
>
>Good night all!

[mad]

"see" you when you get back. hope all will be well.
mad
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hypothetical questions?

> From: "Just Me \"Koi\"" >
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:50:55 GMT
> Subject: Re: Fire all around me! Tall raging Fire I say!
>
> See you all later. We've been asked to leave for a while as a precaution.
> Houses about 1/4 mile above us are on fire!
>
> I'll keep you all posted when we come back!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>
>> You've all heard the phrase "When it rains it pours" Like I don't have
>> enough, the out of control fire in my area is now truly out of control.
>>
>> Some of you may remember that I live in Rancho Cucamonga, Southern
>> California! We've had fire going on since Tuesday, and it's getting
> bigger.
>> We have winds of about 20-40 mph fanning the flame!. As I sit here
> typing,
>> I am looking out of my window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than
> 5
>> miles from me.
>>
>> They've started voluntary evacuation in my neighborhood. Two streets
> above
>> me has mandatory evacuation! Truck and trailer loaded ready for any
>> mandatory evacuation.
>>
>> So far my family is ok, we are all fine, even the fish are fine.We have so
>> much ash and burning material falling in our pond. The Ph is dropping
> fast,
>> and my brother who lives a street above me and also has a pond just had a
> Ph
>> crash, with ammonia spike through the roof. Our local pond shop is
> advising
>> all porgs to get zeolite ready and to keep doing partial water change to
>> control the un-avoidable crash from the ash.
>>
>> Life goes on.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> _______________________________________
>> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
>> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
>> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>>
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>>
>>
>>
>
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[Theo van Daele]

This was actually a major news item in Belgium as well :-(

Apparently at least 2 of the 3 fires did not start by accident... people who
do that kind of thing, erm... I dunno.

Good to hear your house was saved, and those fire fighters, well, they are
first class people (again). Mucho respect.

Theo

[Cichlidiot]

Glad to hear your home was spared. My grandmother lives in Chino and has
been really concerned that the fire will come her way. She's also having a
lot of breathing problems because of all the ash and smoke. It's really
bad from how she describes it. The family is trying to convince her to
come up north for a while for the sake of her health. All that smoke and
ash is not good for people with health problems.

[Just Me \Koi\]

Dude, you are what I needed about right now. Humor is always good medicine!

Sorry I have not responded to your request regarding the Iheart ponds. Been
crazy lately.

Hope you are ok and things are ok with your job and stuff. You inspire me
Dude.

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like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thank you all for your good wishes again.
> >
> > The fire was three houses from me.
> > Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
> > like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness
and
> > chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
> <snip>
>
> Glad to hear you are OK, and now that we do know you are OK, it's time for
> typical sophomoric humor. I figured you would at least be expecting this
> from me, if not somone else around here.
>
> So what will next week's urban legend be about? A Koi that was sucked up
> into a helicopter and lived only to be dropped on the fire to put it out?
> Hmm, not very funny. OK how about this, Reason #345 not to have a
VF...they
> burn. No, that sucks too. Hmm. Ohh, Ohh...I got it...how do your fish
look?
> any damage? are they "ashen" in color? Yeah, that works.
>
> Glad to hear you survived.
>
> BV.
>
>

[FBCS]

Yea!! So glad it is well with you and yours. So sad many have lost much. My
brother is a fire fighter, started as a volunteer at 16 and loves it still
today 25 years later. A selfless profession or should I say vocation. Joann
"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
> The fire was three houses from me.
> Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
> like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
> chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
>
> A city about 20 miles east of me (San Bernardino) lost over 250 houses,
city
> west of me (Claremont) was rumored to have lost 30 houses so far, and my
> neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.
>
> Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!
>
> My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
> firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
> void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
> business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here
the
> fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
> feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
> describe! If hell is anything like that......!
>
> Anyway all is well, no one died in my area. My Family, including my dogs
> are ok! All my Koi are ok so far, I cleaned all the murk from the pond as
> best as I can, and they are just fine now!
>
> Thanks again, and yes indeed, the fire brought all the neighbors together.
> We were all looking out for each other. I had to help an older neighbor
of
> mine walk one of his two horses a few miles down the hill away from the
> fire. We had never spoken to each other ever before.
>
> Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
> school and me for work!
>
> Good night all!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[Axolotl]

"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
...
> This was actually a major news item in Belgium as well :-(
>
> Apparently at least 2 of the 3 fires did not start by accident... people
who
> do that kind of thing, erm... I dunno.

One was started by a hunter who used a flare gun to signal his partner.
duh!!!!

[mad]

i am SO glad you are safe!
mad
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> From: "Just Me \"Koi\"" >
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:57:53 GMT
> Subject: Re: Fire all around me! Great News.
>
> Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
> The fire was three houses from me.
> Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
> like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
> chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
>
> A city about 20 miles east of me (San Bernardino) lost over 250 houses, city
> west of me (Claremont) was rumored to have lost 30 houses so far, and my
> neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.
>
> Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!
>
> My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
> firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
> void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
> business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here the
> fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
> feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
> describe! If hell is anything like that......!
>
> Anyway all is well, no one died in my area. My Family, including my dogs
> are ok! All my Koi are ok so far, I cleaned all the murk from the pond as
> best as I can, and they are just fine now!
>
> Thanks again, and yes indeed, the fire brought all the neighbors together.
> We were all looking out for each other. I had to help an older neighbor of
> mine walk one of his two horses a few miles down the hill away from the
> fire. We had never spoken to each other ever before.
>
> Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
> school and me for work!
>
> Good night all!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
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[Anne Lurie]

Glad to hear that you and the family are safe!

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you all for your good wishes again.
>
> The fire was three houses from me.
> Flame about 50 feet up in the air, and winds gusting at 60 mph. Whirling
> like a tornado. Shifting direction every few seconds. Total darkness and
> chaos in a matter of minutes once the eucalyptus trees caught on fire!
>
> A city about 20 miles east of me (San Bernardino) lost over 250 houses,
city
> west of me (Claremont) was rumored to have lost 30 houses so far, and my
> neighborhood lost some 20 or so homes. We just got electricity back.
>
> Some shrubs around my pond burnt, but my house did not catch fire!
>
> My opinion of fire fighters and hell is totally different! I saw the
> firemen and women almost like angels! I was in this slow motion mental
> void, and saw them almost moving in shot burst as they went about their
> business. People I was afraid and running away from the fire, and here
the
> fire men with no investment in our houses running into the fire! And a 50
> feet wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
> describe! If hell is anything like that......!
>
> Anyway all is well, no one died in my area. My Family, including my dogs
> are ok! All my Koi are ok so far, I cleaned all the murk from the pond as
> best as I can, and they are just fine now!
>
> Thanks again, and yes indeed, the fire brought all the neighbors together.
> We were all looking out for each other. I had to help an older neighbor
of
> mine walk one of his two horses a few miles down the hill away from the
> fire. We had never spoken to each other ever before.
>
> Got to go do some more cleaning and prepare for tomorrow, the kids for
> school and me for work!
>
> Good night all!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
>
>

[Cichlidiot]

Axolotl > wrote:
> One was started by a hunter who used a flare gun to signal his partner.
> duh!!!!

Well, while the consequences have been severe, the actual act of sending
off the flare was not as stupid as you seem to imply. I mean for years
hikers, hunters, boaters, etc have been ingrained to do such when lost or
in trouble.

In my mind, such an accident is nowhere near as bad as the arsonists who
set some of the other fires. That hunter is probably going to get his life
ruined over a non-malicious accident (which had severe consequences I
know, but there is still the fact it was an accident) whereas they'll
probably never catch the malicious arsonists. Perhaps I am being too
logical, but in my mind, accidents happen to even the most honest and
law-abiding of people and they should not be punished as severely as those
who intentionally cause such things.

[Just Me \Koi\]

I know it's going to sound crazy, if I was asked I will suggest that the
hunter be let be! Yes set free without a penny in fine, or a second in jail
because it was an accident.

The fire has actually turned out to be a blessing in a natural way. How you
ask?
1. Fire is nature's way of rejuvenating the forest.
2. We have so many dead pine and Eucalyptus trees from an attack by an
endangered black beetle. It was sickening to see a forest that was suppose
to be lush turn brown, and the beetle being protected has to be left alone
to do damage. The trees then turned to fuel for an otherwise basic fire!

Anyway just my 2 cents which right now is only worth an ash and a smoke!
(Fire joke that is)

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"Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
...
> Axolotl > wrote:
> > One was started by a hunter who used a flare gun to signal his partner.
> > duh!!!!
>
> Well, while the consequences have been severe, the actual act of sending
> off the flare was not as stupid as you seem to imply. I mean for years
> hikers, hunters, boaters, etc have been ingrained to do such when lost or
> in trouble.
>
> In my mind, such an accident is nowhere near as bad as the arsonists who
> set some of the other fires. That hunter is probably going to get his life
> ruined over a non-malicious accident (which had severe consequences I
> know, but there is still the fact it was an accident) whereas they'll
> probably never catch the malicious arsonists. Perhaps I am being too
> logical, but in my mind, accidents happen to even the most honest and
> law-abiding of people and they should not be punished as severely as those
> who intentionally cause such things.

[Jed]

Jed wrote:

>I know it's going to sound crazy, if I was asked I will suggest that the
>hunter be let be! Yes set free without a penny in fine, or a second in jail
>because it was an accident.
>
>The fire has actually turned out to be a blessing in a natural way. How you
>ask?
>1. Fire is nature's way of rejuvenating the forest.
>2. We have so many dead pine and Eucalyptus trees from an attack by an
>endangered black beetle. It was sickening to see a forest that was suppose
>to be lush turn brown, and the beetle being protected has to be left alone
>to do damage. The trees then turned to fuel for an otherwise basic fire!
>
>Anyway just my 2 cents which right now is only worth an ash and a smoke!
>(Fire joke that is)
>
>

I'm going to make an assumption here: you obviously are not one of the
1,600+ who have lost their homes. (or their lives)

In your attempt to appear ecologically "smart", you offend without
even trying hard. Stuff your "2 cents".

Controlled burns are fruitful most of the time. Arsonists are killers
and destroyers of lifetimes. They should be lined up and shot.
Please stop trying to justify their existance.

[J.D. Stone]

Where have you been? You obviously haven't been following any threads in
this group about Just me "Koi". Guess where he lives, troll?

"Jed" > wrote in message
...
> Jed wrote:
>
> >I know it's going to sound crazy, if I was asked I will suggest that the
> >hunter be let be! Yes set free without a penny in fine, or a second in
jail
> >because it was an accident.
> >
> >The fire has actually turned out to be a blessing in a natural way. How
you
> >ask?
> >1. Fire is nature's way of rejuvenating the forest.
> >2. We have so many dead pine and Eucalyptus trees from an attack by an
> >endangered black beetle. It was sickening to see a forest that was
suppose
> >to be lush turn brown, and the beetle being protected has to be left
alone
> >to do damage. The trees then turned to fuel for an otherwise basic fire!
> >
> >Anyway just my 2 cents which right now is only worth an ash and a smoke!
> >(Fire joke that is)
> >
> >
>
> I'm going to make an assumption here: you obviously are not one of the
> 1,600+ who have lost their homes. (or their lives)
>
> In your attempt to appear ecologically "smart", you offend without
> even trying hard. Stuff your "2 cents".
>
> Controlled burns are fruitful most of the time. Arsonists are killers
> and destroyers of lifetimes. They should be lined up and shot.
> Please stop trying to justify their existance.

[Anne Lurie]

Jed, I think you are out of line.

First, if you had followed this thread from the beginning, you'd know that
Just Me Koi (JMK) was the original poster who described "looking out of my
window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than 5 miles from me."

Second, you would not have to *assume* anything about JMK's house, etc.,
because you would have read the same posts as the rest of us, wherein he
gave us an update (no one died in his neighborhood, but about 20 houses were
destroyed). I also truly hope that I personally never learn that "a 50 feet
wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
describe!" that he mentions.

Third, if you look more closely at the first sentence in the post to which
you replied, you will see that JMK referred not to arsonists, but to the
*hunter* who set off the flare gun. (Although I respectfully disagree with
JMK here; if the person was hunting on public lands marked with "fire danger
level" signs that indicated no open flame should be used, the hunter should
perform some community service -- or at least be forced to sit through a
multi-media presentation detailing the consequences of his actions.)

Fourth, JMK is entitled to his $.02 opinion; you have the freedom to not
read it or rebut it, or whatever. I don't know what "ecologically 'smart' "
is, let alone know why you think this is offensive -- my interpretation
was that JMK was simply trying to find the "silver lining in the cloud." (I
do think, though, that the "endangered black beetle" theory was
inadvertently seized upon by the media and/or special interest groups. I
suspect that the tree-killing culprit is neither endangered nor protected;
rather the folks responsible for managing the forests have resigned
themselves to trying to curtail the spread of the culprit, since the
affected trees cannot be saved. I don't know about Eucalyptus trees, but
I'm afraid that dead conifers do indeed add fuel to any fire.)

Last, I'm not sure about the relevance of "controlled burns" to this thread,
since you were the first one to bring it up, I believe. I understand that
controlled burns work well in some forest management situations, but how
would you propose to conduct them in the heavily-populated area under
discussion?

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


"Jed" > wrote in message
...
> Jed wrote:
>
> >I know it's going to sound crazy, if I was asked I will suggest that the
> >hunter be let be! Yes set free without a penny in fine, or a second in
jail
> >because it was an accident.
> >
> >The fire has actually turned out to be a blessing in a natural way. How
you
> >ask?
> >1. Fire is nature's way of rejuvenating the forest.
> >2. We have so many dead pine and Eucalyptus trees from an attack by an
> >endangered black beetle. It was sickening to see a forest that was
suppose
> >to be lush turn brown, and the beetle being protected has to be left
alone
> >to do damage. The trees then turned to fuel for an otherwise basic fire!
> >
> >Anyway just my 2 cents which right now is only worth an ash and a smoke!
> >(Fire joke that is)
> >
> >
>
> I'm going to make an assumption here: you obviously are not one of the
> 1,600+ who have lost their homes. (or their lives)
>
> In your attempt to appear ecologically "smart", you offend without
> even trying hard. Stuff your "2 cents".
>
> Controlled burns are fruitful most of the time. Arsonists are killers
> and destroyers of lifetimes. They should be lined up and shot.
> Please stop trying to justify their existance.

[Just Me \Koi\]

Thanks JD, thanks Annie, thanks for recognizing that I was not trying to be
insensitive. Having just been through it, I really appreciate some light
hearted discussion about such a serious event.

And Jed, I apologize for not being more recognitive of the emotion of those
that may still be going through what I just went through.

While the hunter may not have been the smartest of human being, I still do
not think he is a criminal! What if I was driving down the road and lost
control of my car, skid off the road into the brush, my catalytic converter
ignites a brush fire that leads to fire of this magnitude, should I be
prosecuted as a criminal, or would you accept that this is an accident?

And yes, the arsonist(s) if caught should be severely dealt with!

Enough said!

I went out to the pond this morning, all my Koi are doing great, water
parameter was excellent, and the pond really lifted my spirit. Their colors
seem so much brilliant!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
. com...
> Jed, I think you are out of line.
>
> First, if you had followed this thread from the beginning, you'd know that
> Just Me Koi (JMK) was the original poster who described "looking out of my
> window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than 5 miles from me."
>
> Second, you would not have to *assume* anything about JMK's house, etc.,
> because you would have read the same posts as the rest of us, wherein he
> gave us an update (no one died in his neighborhood, but about 20 houses
were
> destroyed). I also truly hope that I personally never learn that "a 50
feet
> wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
> describe!" that he mentions.
>
> Third, if you look more closely at the first sentence in the post to which
> you replied, you will see that JMK referred not to arsonists, but to the
> *hunter* who set off the flare gun. (Although I respectfully disagree
with
> JMK here; if the person was hunting on public lands marked with "fire
danger
> level" signs that indicated no open flame should be used, the hunter
should
> perform some community service -- or at least be forced to sit through a
> multi-media presentation detailing the consequences of his actions.)
>
> Fourth, JMK is entitled to his $.02 opinion; you have the freedom to not
> read it or rebut it, or whatever. I don't know what "ecologically 'smart'
"
> is, let alone know why you think this is offensive -- my interpretation
> was that JMK was simply trying to find the "silver lining in the cloud."
(I
> do think, though, that the "endangered black beetle" theory was
> inadvertently seized upon by the media and/or special interest groups. I
> suspect that the tree-killing culprit is neither endangered nor protected;
> rather the folks responsible for managing the forests have resigned
> themselves to trying to curtail the spread of the culprit, since the
> affected trees cannot be saved. I don't know about Eucalyptus trees, but
> I'm afraid that dead conifers do indeed add fuel to any fire.)
>
> Last, I'm not sure about the relevance of "controlled burns" to this
thread,
> since you were the first one to bring it up, I believe. I understand that
> controlled burns work well in some forest management situations, but how
> would you propose to conduct them in the heavily-populated area under
> discussion?
>
> Anne Lurie
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> "Jed" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jed wrote:
> >
> > >I know it's going to sound crazy, if I was asked I will suggest that
the
> > >hunter be let be! Yes set free without a penny in fine, or a second in
> jail
> > >because it was an accident.
> > >
> > >The fire has actually turned out to be a blessing in a natural way.
How
> you
> > >ask?
> > >1. Fire is nature's way of rejuvenating the forest.
> > >2. We have so many dead pine and Eucalyptus trees from an attack by
an
> > >endangered black beetle. It was sickening to see a forest that was
> suppose
> > >to be lush turn brown, and the beetle being protected has to be left
> alone
> > >to do damage. The trees then turned to fuel for an otherwise basic
fire!
> > >
> > >Anyway just my 2 cents which right now is only worth an ash and a
smoke!
> > >(Fire joke that is)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I'm going to make an assumption here: you obviously are not one of the
> > 1,600+ who have lost their homes. (or their lives)
> >
> > In your attempt to appear ecologically "smart", you offend without
> > even trying hard. Stuff your "2 cents".
> >
> > Controlled burns are fruitful most of the time. Arsonists are killers
> > and destroyers of lifetimes. They should be lined up and shot.
> > Please stop trying to justify their existance.
>
>

[Zookeeper]

Just Me \"Koi\" wrote:
> ...
>
> Enough said!
>
> I went out to the pond this morning, all my Koi are doing great, water
> parameter was excellent, and the pond really lifted my spirit. Their colors
> seem so much brilliant!


Great news! so glad to hear that your koi and pond are doing well. Is
the danger of fire in your neighborhood gone now? or is there a chance
it could turn and come back? Hope your littlest one is coping with the
smoke and ash okay. Take care.
--
Zk
3500gal pond, 13 pond piggies
Oregon, USDA Zone 7

[[email protected]]

what I have heard is they are into the 5th year of drought combined with an economic
disaster engineered by Enron et al in driving up energy costs to make a killing, the
result of which was a severe cut back in people who go into the area and pull out the
dead underbrush. Damn Eucalyptus trees are not native to California and should be
wiped out for two reasons, their sap fuels fires and they die if the temp drops.
If the trees are dead, I really dont understand what they are talking about the
beetles attacking the trees. Maybe news broadcasters dont know either, which is
typical.
Controlled burns are in areas accumulating dead underbrush away from populated areas.
Not everything burning is populated. But people are building wood houses in heavily
wooded areas, and paying bocu bucks for the land and building HUGE expensive houses
there ... most of em with wood shake roofs.
I wonder how many of them are going to think about building monolithic homes from
concrete so they wont lose their house and everything in it next time.
http://www.monolithic.com/gallery/homes/braswell_fire/index.html
http://www.monolithicdome.com/
http://www.aidomes.com/
I would think it especially important for horse barns or for other animals not
easily removed in case of fire. One woman lost her life trying to move her horses
out. Ingrid


(I>do think, though, that the "endangered black beetle" theory was
>inadvertently seized upon by the media and/or special interest groups. I
>suspect that the tree-killing culprit is neither endangered nor protected;
>rather the folks responsible for managing the forests have resigned
>themselves to trying to curtail the spread of the culprit, since the
>affected trees cannot be saved. I don't know about Eucalyptus trees, but
>I'm afraid that dead conifers do indeed add fuel to any fire.)
>
>Last, I'm not sure about the relevance of "controlled burns" to this thread,
>since you were the first one to bring it up, I believe. I understand that
>controlled burns work well in some forest management situations, but how
>would you propose to conduct them in the heavily-populated area under
>discussion?
>
>Anne Lurie


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>On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:44:45 -0600, "J.D. Stone" > wrote:

>Where have you been? You obviously haven't been following any threads in
>this group about Just me "Koi". Guess where he lives, troll?
>
Where do these people come from? Troll is right, if not, Jed you'd better
go back and read all the past post to this thread and apologize for jumping
in uneducated. One thing JMK doesn't need is cyber flames from the
ignorant. Sheesh, ~ jan


>"Jed" > wrote in message
>> Jed wrote:
>>
>> >I know it's going to sound crazy, if I was asked I will suggest that the
>> >hunter be let be! Yes set free without a penny in fine, or a second in
>jail
>> >because it was an accident.
>> >
>> >The fire has actually turned out to be a blessing in a natural way. How
>you
>> >ask?
>> >1. Fire is nature's way of rejuvenating the forest.
>> >2. We have so many dead pine and Eucalyptus trees from an attack by an
>> >endangered black beetle. It was sickening to see a forest that was
>suppose
>> >to be lush turn brown, and the beetle being protected has to be left
>alone
>> >to do damage. The trees then turned to fuel for an otherwise basic fire!
>> >
>> >Anyway just my 2 cents which right now is only worth an ash and a smoke!
>> >(Fire joke that is)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I'm going to make an assumption here: you obviously are not one of the
>> 1,600+ who have lost their homes. (or their lives)
>>
>> In your attempt to appear ecologically "smart", you offend without
>> even trying hard. Stuff your "2 cents".
>>
>> Controlled burns are fruitful most of the time. Arsonists are killers
>> and destroyers of lifetimes. They should be lined up and shot.
>> Please stop trying to justify their existance.
>

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[tim chandler]

"Jed" is just a troll, his supposed email name is


People like him should be ignored, and deserve to be ignored.

The forest fires are a great tragedy, both for the people and the wildlife.
It'll take years before they are back to even near-normal, and the charred
trunks will be around for many decades. But it can be turned to good in the
end - perhaps, just perhaps, California and other Western states will
develop better fire management and forest management policies in the wake of
this tragedy, so they don't allow combustibles to build up so much that when
a fire inevitably happens, it is a catastrophe. For too long the
environmental extremists have had too much influence in forest management
policy - these fires are a direct result of their "hands-off" mantra,
whereby they see almost any human activity in the forests as undesireable.
Humans need to be good stewards of the wild, and that means we have to
actively manage the areas where forests and human habitation coincide.

Tim

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks JD, thanks Annie, thanks for recognizing that I was not trying to
be
> insensitive. Having just been through it, I really appreciate some light
> hearted discussion about such a serious event.
>
> And Jed, I apologize for not being more recognitive of the emotion of
those
> that may still be going through what I just went through.
>
> While the hunter may not have been the smartest of human being, I still do
> not think he is a criminal! What if I was driving down the road and lost
> control of my car, skid off the road into the brush, my catalytic
converter
> ignites a brush fire that leads to fire of this magnitude, should I be
> prosecuted as a criminal, or would you accept that this is an accident?
>
> And yes, the arsonist(s) if caught should be severely dealt with!
>
> Enough said!
>
> I went out to the pond this morning, all my Koi are doing great, water
> parameter was excellent, and the pond really lifted my spirit. Their
colors
> seem so much brilliant!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
> "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Jed, I think you are out of line.
> >
> > First, if you had followed this thread from the beginning, you'd know
that
> > Just Me Koi (JMK) was the original poster who described "looking out of
my
> > window at flames some 100 feet or so high less than 5 miles from me."
> >
> > Second, you would not have to *assume* anything about JMK's house, etc.,
> > because you would have read the same posts as the rest of us, wherein he
> > gave us an update (no one died in his neighborhood, but about 20 houses
> were
> > destroyed). I also truly hope that I personally never learn that "a 50
> feet
> > wall of flame some 200-300 feet long gives out a heat like you can't
> > describe!" that he mentions.
> >
> > Third, if you look more closely at the first sentence in the post to
which
> > you replied, you will see that JMK referred not to arsonists, but to the
> > *hunter* who set off the flare gun. (Although I respectfully disagree
> with
> > JMK here; if the person was hunting on public lands marked with "fire
> danger
> > level" signs that indicated no open flame should be used, the hunter
> should
> > perform some community service -- or at least be forced to sit through
a
> > multi-media presentation detailing the consequences of his actions.)
> >
> > Fourth, JMK is entitled to his $.02 opinion; you have the freedom to not
> > read it or rebut it, or whatever. I don't know what "ecologically
'smart'
> "
> > is, let alone know why you think this is offensive -- my
interpretation
> > was that JMK was simply trying to find the "silver lining in the cloud."
> (I
> > do think, though, that the "endangered black beetle" theory was
> > inadvertently seized upon by the media and/or special interest groups.
I
> > suspect that the tree-killing culprit is neither endangered nor
protected;
> > rather the folks responsible for managing the forests have resigned
> > themselves to trying to curtail the spread of the culprit, since the
> > affected trees cannot be saved. I don't know about Eucalyptus trees,
but
> > I'm afraid that dead conifers do indeed add fuel to any fire.)
> >
> > Last, I'm not sure about the relevance of "controlled burns" to this
> thread,
> > since you were the first one to bring it up, I believe. I understand
that
> > controlled burns work well in some forest management situations, but how
> > would you propose to conduct them in the heavily-populated area under
> > discussion?
> >
> > Anne Lurie
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> >
> > "Jed" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Jed wrote:
> > >
> > > >I know it's going to sound crazy, if I was asked I will suggest that
> the
> > > >hunter be let be! Yes set free without a penny in fine, or a second
in
> > jail
> > > >because it was an accident.
> > > >
> > > >The fire has actually turned out to be a blessing in a natural way.
> How
> > you
> > > >ask?
> > > >1. Fire is nature's way of rejuvenating the forest.
> > > >2. We have so many dead pine and Eucalyptus trees from an attack
by
> an
> > > >endangered black beetle. It was sickening to see a forest that was
> > suppose
> > > >to be lush turn brown, and the beetle being protected has to be left
> > alone
> > > >to do damage. The trees then turned to fuel for an otherwise basic
> fire!
> > > >
> > > >Anyway just my 2 cents which right now is only worth an ash and a
> smoke!
> > > >(Fire joke that is)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to make an assumption here: you obviously are not one of the
> > > 1,600+ who have lost their homes. (or their lives)
> > >
> > > In your attempt to appear ecologically "smart", you offend without
> > > even trying hard. Stuff your "2 cents".
> > >
> > > Controlled burns are fruitful most of the time. Arsonists are killers
> > > and destroyers of lifetimes. They should be lined up and shot.
> > > Please stop trying to justify their existance.
> >
> >
>
>

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This is all knee jerk conservative propaganda. Environmentalists dont support clear
cutting as an alternative to controlled burning. and "thinning" large trees leaves
the dry tinder behind to fuel out of control fires.
The prevention of all forest fires has been US policy, and the U.S. forest service
policy is not and has never been set by "environmental extremists".
http://www.ems.org/wildfires/ecology.html
This has nothing to do with old growth forest and Great Gray Owl habitat.

The main reason for the destruction of homes in California is
1. 5 year drought, dead underbrush + eucalyptus trees which are foreign species and
very flammable
2. building homes that are not fire resistant in areas with a lot of underbrush
3. budget problems cut off or cut down on the removal of brush near home areas.
4. arsonists

As I directed my students to do this semester, do a search to find the causes of
forest fires. http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~smariya/bush%20fire.html in Australia
Ingrid

"tim chandler" > wrote:
For too long the
>environmental extremists have had too much influence in forest management
>policy -


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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:20:12 GMT, "tim chandler" > wrote:

>"Jed" is just a troll, his supposed email name is

>
>People like him should be ignored, and deserve to be ignored.

But where do they come from and how do they find us? ~ jan
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