Getting ready for winter in NC

[Ron Lawrence]

I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
as we have a hard freeze.
Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
back below water level. I wonder how long the
Black Taro will live...

I wonder if there are any other members of this
group in the Charlotte NC area?

Happy ponding...

Ron


C.R."Ron"Lawrence
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[Gareee©]

> I wonder if there are any other members of this
> group in the Charlotte NC area?

Well I'm in Waynesville now (from hendersonville) and I suspect it'll get a
little colder faster here...


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[BenignVanilla]

"Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
. ..
> I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> as we have a hard freeze.
> Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> back below water level. I wonder how long the
> Black Taro will live...
<snip>

I am in a similar boat. I have been slowly removing lettuce and frogbit from
the pond. The water is nice and clear, so I am hesitating removing the WH
just yet. I just shut down my pump this week, so I am thinking I will move
some WH to the main pond, and keep them there until they are dead. I plan to
do my final autumn'ization this weekend.

BV.

[Bob H]

Hey BV, it is my (also newbie) understanding that if you leave frogbit in
the pond it will sink to the bottom, overwinter and re emerge in spring....I
may be wrong but I am trying it this year unless anyone with more experience
tells us otherwise.

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> > pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> > It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> > and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> > into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> > as we have a hard freeze.
> > Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> > back below water level. I wonder how long the
> > Black Taro will live...
> <snip>
>
> I am in a similar boat. I have been slowly removing lettuce and frogbit
from
> the pond. The water is nice and clear, so I am hesitating removing the WH
> just yet. I just shut down my pump this week, so I am thinking I will move
> some WH to the main pond, and keep them there until they are dead. I plan
to
> do my final autumn'ization this weekend.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Anne Lurie]

Ron,

I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be,
unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water
garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to
turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36
hours or so.)

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC




"Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
. ..
> I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> as we have a hard freeze.
> Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> back below water level. I wonder how long the
> Black Taro will live...
>
> I wonder if there are any other members of this
> group in the Charlotte NC area?
>
> Happy ponding...
>
> Ron
>
>
> C.R."Ron"Lawrence
> Antique Radio Collector & Historian
>
> POBox 3015
> Matthews, NC 28106-3015
> 704-289-1166 (home)
>
> Personal Web Page,
> http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com
> Radio Collection Web Page,
> http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com
> CC-AWA Web Page,
> http://www.cc-awa.org
>
>

[Janet & Hugh]

Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty ill
this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!!
$200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous
and make for one sick dog. :o(
Janet
Niagara Falls, ON


"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
. com...
> Ron,
>
> I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be,
> unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water
> garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to
> turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36
> hours or so.)
>
> Anne Lurie
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
>
> "Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> > pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> > It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> > and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> > into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> > as we have a hard freeze.
> > Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> > back below water level. I wonder how long the
> > Black Taro will live...
> >
> > I wonder if there are any other members of this
> > group in the Charlotte NC area?
> >
> > Happy ponding...
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > C.R."Ron"Lawrence
> > Antique Radio Collector & Historian
> >
> > POBox 3015
> > Matthews, NC 28106-3015
> > 704-289-1166 (home)
> >
> > Personal Web Page,
> > http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com
> > Radio Collection Web Page,
> > http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com
> > CC-AWA Web Page,
> > http://www.cc-awa.org
> >
> >
>
>


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[Steve and Lisa]

eeeeeeek......I didn't realise they were harmful to pets....our Golden who
has a heart of gold, but isn't the brightest bulb likes to chew
vegetation.....will make sure he doesn't go near those....thanks for the
heads up!

Lisa
"Janet & Hugh" > wrote in message
...
> Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty
ill
> this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!!
> $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous
> and make for one sick dog. :o(
> Janet
> Niagara Falls, ON
>
>
> "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Ron,
> >
> > I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be,
> > unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water
> > garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough
to
> > turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36
> > hours or so.)
> >
> > Anne Lurie
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> > > pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> > > It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> > > and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> > > into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> > > as we have a hard freeze.
> > > Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> > > back below water level. I wonder how long the
> > > Black Taro will live...
> > >
> > > I wonder if there are any other members of this
> > > group in the Charlotte NC area?
> > >
> > > Happy ponding...
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > C.R."Ron"Lawrence
> > > Antique Radio Collector & Historian
> > >
> > > POBox 3015
> > > Matthews, NC 28106-3015
> > > 704-289-1166 (home)
> > >
> > > Personal Web Page,
> > > http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com
> > > Radio Collection Web Page,
> > > http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com
> > > CC-AWA Web Page,
> > > http://www.cc-awa.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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[RichToyBox]

I have seen a number of the plants that we have in our water gardens listed
as toxic, but the water hyacinth is not one of them, to my knowledge. The
terrestrial hyacinth Hyacinth (Hyacinth orientalis) bulb is toxic and
should be kept away from dogs, horses and livestock.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Janet & Hugh" > wrote in message
...
> Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty
ill
> this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!!
> $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous
> and make for one sick dog. :o(
> Janet
> Niagara Falls, ON
>
>
> "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Ron,
> >
> > I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be,
> > unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water
> > garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough
to
> > turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36
> > hours or so.)
> >
> > Anne Lurie
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> > > pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> > > It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> > > and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> > > into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> > > as we have a hard freeze.
> > > Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> > > back below water level. I wonder how long the
> > > Black Taro will live...
> > >
> > > I wonder if there are any other members of this
> > > group in the Charlotte NC area?
> > >
> > > Happy ponding...
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > C.R."Ron"Lawrence
> > > Antique Radio Collector & Historian
> > >
> > > POBox 3015
> > > Matthews, NC 28106-3015
> > > 704-289-1166 (home)
> > >
> > > Personal Web Page,
> > > http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com
> > > Radio Collection Web Page,
> > > http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com
> > > CC-AWA Web Page,
> > > http://www.cc-awa.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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[Anne Lurie]

Janet,

A quick google for "water hyacinth + toxicity" was not all that enlightening
for me personally, as most of the toxicity mentioned referred (I think) to
toxins absorbed by water hyacinth.

I'm curious, though, even ordinary things (like chocolate!) can be toxic to
dogs if the quantity is great enough. Is your dog a big "eat-anything"
retriever (like my 85# Chessie/Lab) or a small muncher?

I'll try to remember to ask my D-I-L, the vet, about toxic plants.

In the meantime, I'll stick with parrotfeather instead of water hyacinth --
it's potted, so too heavy to take out of the pond, plus the frog just loves
it, and I don't need to feel guilty about pond level being too low for frog
to get out, since the parrotfeather "launching pad" is always available.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

"Janet & Hugh" > wrote in message
...
> Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty
ill
> this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!!
> $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous
> and make for one sick dog. :o(
> Janet
> Niagara Falls, ON
>
>
> "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Ron,
> >
> > I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be,
> > unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water
> > garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough
to
> > turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36
> > hours or so.)
> >
> > Anne Lurie
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> > > pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> > > It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> > > and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> > > into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> > > as we have a hard freeze.
> > > Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> > > back below water level. I wonder how long the
> > > Black Taro will live...
> > >
> > > I wonder if there are any other members of this
> > > group in the Charlotte NC area?
> > >
> > > Happy ponding...
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > C.R."Ron"Lawrence
> > > Antique Radio Collector & Historian
> > >
> > > POBox 3015
> > > Matthews, NC 28106-3015
> > > 704-289-1166 (home)
> > >
> > > Personal Web Page,
> > > http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com
> > > Radio Collection Web Page,
> > > http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com
> > > CC-AWA Web Page,
> > > http://www.cc-awa.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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[ponder]

yes they are poisonious! never let any animals eat any plants, it is
surprising wht is deadly.
Nice to see a Canadian here.
London Ont


Janet & Hugh > wrote in message
...
> Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty
ill
> this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!!
> $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous
> and make for one sick dog. :o(
> Janet
> Niagara Falls, ON
>
>
> "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Ron,
> >
> > I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be,
> > unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water
> > garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough
to
> > turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36
> > hours or so.)
> >
> > Anne Lurie
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> > > pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> > > It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> > > and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> > > into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> > > as we have a hard freeze.
> > > Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> > > back below water level. I wonder how long the
> > > Black Taro will live...
> > >
> > > I wonder if there are any other members of this
> > > group in the Charlotte NC area?
> > >
> > > Happy ponding...
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > C.R."Ron"Lawrence
> > > Antique Radio Collector & Historian
> > >
> > > POBox 3015
> > > Matthews, NC 28106-3015
> > > 704-289-1166 (home)
> > >
> > > Personal Web Page,
> > > http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com
> > > Radio Collection Web Page,
> > > http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com
> > > CC-AWA Web Page,
> > > http://www.cc-awa.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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[ponder]

Not to familiar with your weather, but do you always cut back your flowering
plants below the water? Alot of them will die if cut back under water.
Anything with a hollow cell frame will drowned. it is usually best to just
clean off the dead stuff and leave them where they are, of course lilies and
lotus are different.


Ron Lawrence > wrote in message
. ..
> I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> as we have a hard freeze.
> Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> back below water level. I wonder how long the
> Black Taro will live...
>
> I wonder if there are any other members of this
> group in the Charlotte NC area?
>
> Happy ponding...
>
> Ron
>
>
> C.R."Ron"Lawrence
> Antique Radio Collector & Historian
>
> POBox 3015
> Matthews, NC 28106-3015
> 704-289-1166 (home)
>
> Personal Web Page,
> http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com
> Radio Collection Web Page,
> http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com
> CC-AWA Web Page,
> http://www.cc-awa.org
>
>

[Janet & Hugh]

My dog is a "small muncher" as you put it! LOL! He ate just 1 of the round
portions of the water hyacinth, no leaves. We thought it was cute to see his
chase them around the pond and occaisionally catch one. His belly swelled to
about twice his normal size and became rock hard. He then ran a fever and
barfed for hrs till he had nothing but heeves left all the while having
tremors. He wouldn't even drink. Then the next day the other end started. We
definitely learned the hard way as we had no idea how poisous they were. Try
searching "water hyacinth+poisonous" and hundreds of hits come up. Here is
just one.. http://plantsdatabase.com/go/661/

Janet
Niagara Falls, ON


"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
. com...
> Janet,
>
> A quick google for "water hyacinth + toxicity" was not all that
enlightening
> for me personally, as most of the toxicity mentioned referred (I think) to
> toxins absorbed by water hyacinth.
>
> I'm curious, though, even ordinary things (like chocolate!) can be toxic
to
> dogs if the quantity is great enough. Is your dog a big "eat-anything"
> retriever (like my 85# Chessie/Lab) or a small muncher?
>
> I'll try to remember to ask my D-I-L, the vet, about toxic plants.
>
> In the meantime, I'll stick with parrotfeather instead of water
yacinth --
> it's potted, so too heavy to take out of the pond, plus the frog just
loves
> it, and I don't need to feel guilty about pond level being too low for
frog
> to get out, since the parrotfeather "launching pad" is always available.
>
> Anne Lurie
> Raleigh, NC
>
> "Janet & Hugh" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty
> ill
> > this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of
it!!
> > $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are
poisonous
> > and make for one sick dog. :o(
> > Janet
> > Niagara Falls, ON
> >
> >
> > "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> > . com...
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll
be,
> > > unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny
water
> > > garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough
> to
> > > turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it
36
> > > hours or so.)
> > >
> > > Anne Lurie
> > > Raleigh, NC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ron Lawrence" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
> > > > pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond.
> > > > It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice
> > > > and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce
> > > > into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon
> > > > as we have a hard freeze.
> > > > Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants
> > > > back below water level. I wonder how long the
> > > > Black Taro will live...
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if there are any other members of this
> > > > group in the Charlotte NC area?
> > > >
> > > > Happy ponding...
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > C.R."Ron"Lawrence
> > > > Antique Radio Collector & Historian
> > > >
> > > > POBox 3015
> > > > Matthews, NC 28106-3015
> > > > 704-289-1166 (home)
> > > >
> > > > Personal Web Page,
> > > > http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com
> > > > Radio Collection Web Page,
> > > > http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com
> > > > CC-AWA Web Page,
> > > > http://www.cc-awa.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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[Chad]

ponder wrote:
> yes they are poisonious! never let any animals eat any plants, it is
> surprising wht is deadly.

I do always enjoy giving raw meat to my herbivore friends... In
addition, I dont think there will be anymore vegetables for me :)... my
poor vegetarian friends are going to be stuck with tofu and water...
no--- wait tofu comes from a soybean and I think that is a plant ;)....
lol...(FYI... the above was a joke... I will stop now....)

> Nice to see a Canadian here.
Ok, One more...What do you eat in Canada???? A good friend of mine
"from Canada" said beer is the favorite food from where he was from...
He was on a local radio station 2 weeks ago and said he was born with a
beer in one hand and a hockey stick in the other. His parents should be
so proud.

Ok, back on topic...

My old dog(12+ year old Cocker) have been eating water hyacinth for a
long time now. I am convinced that it is given her youth back... she is
acting like a pup... minus the peeing on your feet... She eats more WH
than dog food.... and not to go there but this dog has not had a day of
irregularity in her life. Ahh I went there... poooh

Moving on, my pup ate some copper sulfate from my sons "Grow your Own
Geode" kit a couple weeks ago... now that will kill... she ate just a
tiny bit and was vomiting withing 2 - 3 minutes... lethargic by 15....
talk about a vet bill.... poor girl weighed 4 lbs and they gave her a
sub-dermal IV... injected 2 lbs of water under her skin.... almost
changed her name to quasimoto. They put so much IV in that she sprung a
leak where they injected her. Shot a fluid stream out about 6inches for
about a minute. Funny though... after about 24 hours they water
dispersed under the skin and she was my sumo baby.... talk about a
jiggle when you walk....

Ok... back to the topic... again... I know that "Garden" Hyacinth... the
spring time in ground type are poisonious but I cannot find anything
that states water hyacinth(Eichhorinia crassipies) are... so far my dog
has had no problem with them... maybe she will after a few more years if
age doesn't get her first... just my 2 cents (3.5 cents canadian)

p.s. ponder... sorry for the humor above... it has been a long
day...and I really do like Canada... really enjoy the botanical gardens
in montreal... if you would like you can post back about how I live in
nebraska go right ahead.....

[Chad]

Ok, so the plant database says there are posionous... but not to all
animals... what is poisonous to humans isn't to others... my fish would
all be dead if they were poisonous to all animals... Of course... if you
saw my other postings you would know my fish ARE dead, since Chlorimines
are poisonous to fish and not to humans....

by the way...

WH have many uses with India being the leader in the following uses.

1.) To make Paper -- acutal varieties of high quality paper

2.) To make briquettes for stoves for cooking.

3.) To make food for cattle out of the leaves (the parts my dog
eats)... btw... cattle are sacred in India so I don't think they are
trying to harm them...

Here is a site with tons of info on WH....

http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/water_hyacinth01.html

[Zookeeper]

Chad wrote:
....
> Moving on, my pup ate some copper sulfate from my sons "Grow your Own
> Geode" kit a couple weeks ago... now that will kill... she ate just a
> tiny bit and was vomiting withing 2 - 3 minutes... lethargic by 15....
> talk about a vet bill.... poor girl weighed 4 lbs and they gave her a
> sub-dermal IV... injected 2 lbs of water under her skin.... almost
> changed her name to quasimoto. They put so much IV in that she sprung a
> leak where they injected her. Shot a fluid stream out about 6inches for
> about a minute. Funny though... after about 24 hours they water
> dispersed under the skin and she was my sumo baby.... talk about a
> jiggle when you walk....

Poor baby! We had to give one of our dogs the sub-cutaneous fluid last
year when she had a horrible infection and became dehydrated. It was
great though -- just had to do it once and the fluid stayed there for
2-3 days, gradually being used by her body. Pretty cool stuff. And I
just went through three weeks of sub-c fluids for our poor 11 yo cat;
unfortunately for her it was too little, too late. Developed Addison's
disorder (adrenal gland failure causing body to lose too much potassium)
but slid into a serious infection before we even noticed and even the
antibiotics, sub-c, hand-feeding, and meds couldn't pull her through.
But I'm an expert with that saline solution now, and won't be afraid to
use it for one of the other "zoo" members if necessary. Except maybe the
fish!!! (getting back on topic here, giggle)
--
Zk
3500gal pond, 13 pond piggies
Oregon, USDA Zone 7

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:32:47 -0600, Chad > wrote:

>Ok, so the plant database says there are posionous...

I think if one were to look hard enough one could find anything on the
internet... as we all know everything is true on the internet.

Thanks Chad as I was worrying there if my memory was going. I remembered
something about using them for cattle feed and I've known lots of dogs
eating them without getting sick. Seems I even remember a recipe for a dish
for human consumption was once posted here.

That said, WH does take up a lot of pollution out of waterways and perhaps
that is what made the poster w/the sick dog, sick? Not the WH itself, but
what it had eaten. ~ jan

>WH have many uses with India being the leader in the following uses.
>
>1.) To make Paper -- acutal varieties of high quality paper
>
>2.) To make briquettes for stoves for cooking.
>
>3.) To make food for cattle out of the leaves (the parts my dog
>eats)... btw... cattle are sacred in India so I don't think they are
>trying to harm them...
>
>Here is a site with tons of info on WH....
>
>http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/water_hyacinth01.html

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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Speaking of getting ready for winter.

I think we had temps up to 80F on Sunday or Monday. We've had warnings that
a cold front was coming on Halloween and by joe it is here. I worked hard
Sunday & Monday getting the yard & ponds ready. Tuesday we had an awful
dust storm, still warm winds, but no working out in it. Wednesday it was
calm and we had to get right out and get busy. It was a good thing that we
managed to get it all done, except for some minor stuff, as the north wind
came in last night. Temps didn't drop to freezing, but the wind chill was.
I took care of the minor stuff and was glad to stay in the rest of the day.
They're predicting record lows tonight, but I think I've got the outside
all taken care of. Bonsai are in the garage as I didn't have time to dig
them into the garden. This same thing happened last year. Deep Freeze in
October then mild the rest of the winter. <s> ~ jan


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[Janet & Hugh]

Jan, cattle like other ruminents can eat things that will kill other
critters. I raise registered fullblood and purebred limousin cattle. :o)
I've read the study in reference to feeding WH to cattle, the WH were
processed down to remove any heavy metals as well as other toxins such as
nitrogen. It is/can be fed as a source of roughage. My vet feels it was the
high nitrogen levels in the WH that caused the problem for my dog. I did my
own research via the local vet school toxicology dept. and they concurred...
Take it for what's it worth but I know what we went through with my dog.
We thought it was cute to see him chase the WH around the pond, like many
here in the group. That is until he decided to eat it and we ended up with a
sick pooch...
And yes there are literally thousands of plants that can be considered
poisonous and things must be kept in perspective. Everyone needs to find
there own comfort level with these plants after assessing the facts. But
people need to be aware of the risks in order to make an informed decision.
We will have WH again next year but we will anchor them in the center of the
pond where the dog cannot gain access to them (the dog prefers to swim the
pool, not the pond). We also grow castor beans but keep the seed pods
pinched off any lower branches and pinch them off the higher branches before
they start to dry natually. ;o)
Janet
Niagara Falls, ON

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:32:47 -0600, Chad > wrote:
>
> >Ok, so the plant database says there are posionous...
>
> I think if one were to look hard enough one could find anything on the
> internet... as we all know everything is true on the internet.
>
> Thanks Chad as I was worrying there if my memory was going. I remembered
> something about using them for cattle feed and I've known lots of dogs
> eating them without getting sick. Seems I even remember a recipe for a
dish
> for human consumption was once posted here.
>
> That said, WH does take up a lot of pollution out of waterways and perhaps
> that is what made the poster w/the sick dog, sick? Not the WH itself, but
> what it had eaten. ~ jan
>
> >WH have many uses with India being the leader in the following uses.
> >
> >1.) To make Paper -- acutal varieties of high quality paper
> >
> >2.) To make briquettes for stoves for cooking.
> >
> >3.) To make food for cattle out of the leaves (the parts my dog
> >eats)... btw... cattle are sacred in India so I don't think they are
> >trying to harm them...
> >
> >Here is a site with tons of info on WH....
> >
> >http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/water_hyacinth01.html
>
> See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
> http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Defrosted~
> Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website


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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>pool, not the pond). We also grow castor beans but keep the seed pods
>pinched off any lower branches and pinch them off the higher branches before
>they start to dry natually. ;o)
> Janet

Now there's an idea. I've had some CB seeds, but have yet to try them. I
also have some seeds for another plant that gets a prickly outer shell and
can get away (seed wise) if not control. Pinching sounds worth trying.
~ jan :o)
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[Susan H. Simko]

On Sunday, I pulled all the water lettuce from my pond here in Durham,
NC. I am planning on leaving the water hyacinth in until it "tells" me
to take it out. I just did not want to dredge out disintegrating water
lettuce later which is why I did that now. I'm also slowly trimming the
pickerel back as the stalks and leaves die off. Water lilies (hardy)
are still throwing off leaves, much to my amazement.

Water temps are still in the mid to lower 60s. I'm still seeing new
tiny shebunkin babies on a regular basis.

I finally got the lights in the pond a few weeks ago. Since we seem
to have an incredible amount of mosquitos still flitting around who
divebomb the lights in the pond after dark, the fish and the frogs are
really enjoying the new lights! We're also still seeing quite a few
dragonflies flitting around laying eggs. I would have figured they
would have been done for the season also.

Susan
shsimko (at) duke<dot>edu