bulging eyes on koi

[Keith and Wendy Slonecker]

Hello all. Its been a wonderful summer without problems in my pond.
However, yesterday I noticed a 10 inch koi floating at the surface just
under the waterfall. It was lethargic but swam around just a little and
fairly near the surface. I got close enough to inspect that it had massive
bulging eyes. They looked like they were going to explode!

There are no sores, mouth rot, fin rot, obvious parasites, fins not clamped,
no 'pine cone' or lifting of any scales, just the bug eyes and the
lethargy.

The pond is 3000 gallons and all water parameters are the same as they have
been all summer and most of the 3 years I've had the pond: ph is 8, salt is
..14, no amonia, no nitrites, no nitrates, water temp is 52 degrees. I use a
standard regimen with Koizyme but a car accident left me unable to keep the
weekly maintenance dose for the past 4 weeks. I re-started with the Koizyme
3 days ago and did a double dose due to lower water temp. All other fish in
the pond appear fine. The temps have been low enough here that I have not
been feeding the fish for about 10 days now.

I looked at koivet.com and other sites about bulging eyes and it seems like
it either is or isnt bacterial, is or isnt TB, is or isnt fatal, and is or
isnt contagious to the other fish or to humans.

I am really confused now. Any suggestions on whether I can save this fish
and what I should/shouldnt do?

Thanks so much for any help.

Wendy in Oregon

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Wendy,

How long have you had this fish? When was the last time you added new fish?
Did you personally quarantine any new fish, if so, for how long?

In the meantime do remove sick fish from pond to a sick tank. ~ jan

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:34 -0800, "Keith and Wendy Slonecker" > wrote:

>Hello all. Its been a wonderful summer without problems in my pond.
>However, yesterday I noticed a 10 inch koi floating at the surface just
>under the waterfall. It was lethargic but swam around just a little and
>fairly near the surface. I got close enough to inspect that it had massive
>bulging eyes. They looked like they were going to explode!
>
>There are no sores, mouth rot, fin rot, obvious parasites, fins not clamped,
>no 'pine cone' or lifting of any scales, just the bug eyes and the
>lethargy.
>
>The pond is 3000 gallons and all water parameters are the same as they have
>been all summer and most of the 3 years I've had the pond: ph is 8, salt is
>.14, no amonia, no nitrites, no nitrates, water temp is 52 degrees. I use a
>standard regimen with Koizyme but a car accident left me unable to keep the
>weekly maintenance dose for the past 4 weeks. I re-started with the Koizyme
>3 days ago and did a double dose due to lower water temp. All other fish in
>the pond appear fine. The temps have been low enough here that I have not
>been feeding the fish for about 10 days now.
>
>I looked at koivet.com and other sites about bulging eyes and it seems like
>it either is or isnt bacterial, is or isnt TB, is or isnt fatal, and is or
>isnt contagious to the other fish or to humans.
>
>I am really confused now. Any suggestions on whether I can save this fish
>and what I should/shouldnt do?
>
>Thanks so much for any help.
>
>Wendy in Oregon
>

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[Keith and Wendy Slonecker]

Jan:

Thanks. I have not added any new fish in the past 18 months.

The water temp is up to 54 degrees right now so I just dosed the pond with
another 60 ml of Koizyme, hoping it still might be beneficial in case of
bacterial problem. In the last 12 hours the sick fish seems to be a little
more active and is not hanging at the surface and not hiding either. Its
just swimming slowly, kind of with the rest of the gang.

wendy in Oregon

[_Lil_Lamb]

I am not sure if Koi are susceptible, but in freshwater aquariums, there is a disease
called Popeye, where the eyes bulge from their sockets. I treated mine with Maracyn, and
Maracyn-Two, and MarOxy, concurrently. It is my understanding that it is a build up of
fluids caused by an infection of some type, and possibly not always the same infection.

Perhaps you could quarantine the Koi in an aquarium, and try using the meds on him.

Good luck, if it is Popeye, it isn't an easy one to beat.

--
DeAnna

Drop "BYE" to email me. :)

"Keith and Wendy Slonecker" > wrote in message
...
> Jan:
>
> Thanks. I have not added any new fish in the past 18 months.
>
> The water temp is up to 54 degrees right now so I just dosed the pond with
> another 60 ml of Koizyme, hoping it still might be beneficial in case of
> bacterial problem. In the last 12 hours the sick fish seems to be a little
> more active and is not hanging at the surface and not hiding either. Its
> just swimming slowly, kind of with the rest of the gang.
>
> wendy in Oregon
>
>

[Happy'Cam'per]

I would do a filter clean out. I reckon your water quality is down. You need
another or a better filter IMO.




"_Lil_Lamb" > wrote in message
...
> I am not sure if Koi are susceptible, but in freshwater aquariums, there
is a disease
> called Popeye, where the eyes bulge from their sockets. I treated mine
with Maracyn, and
> Maracyn-Two, and MarOxy, concurrently. It is my understanding that it is a
build up of
> fluids caused by an infection of some type, and possibly not always the
same infection.
>
> Perhaps you could quarantine the Koi in an aquarium, and try using the
meds on him.
>
> Good luck, if it is Popeye, it isn't an easy one to beat.
>
> --
> DeAnna
>
> Drop "BYE" to email me. :)
>
> "Keith and Wendy Slonecker" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jan:
> >
> > Thanks. I have not added any new fish in the past 18 months.
> >
> > The water temp is up to 54 degrees right now so I just dosed the pond
with
> > another 60 ml of Koizyme, hoping it still might be beneficial in case of
> > bacterial problem. In the last 12 hours the sick fish seems to be a
little
> > more active and is not hanging at the surface and not hiding either.
Its
> > just swimming slowly, kind of with the rest of the gang.
> >
> > wendy in Oregon
> >
> >
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Wendy, do you have an update on this koi? How's it doing? ~ jan


>Jan:
>
>Thanks. I have not added any new fish in the past 18 months.
>
>The water temp is up to 54 degrees right now so I just dosed the pond with
>another 60 ml of Koizyme, hoping it still might be beneficial in case of
>bacterial problem. In the last 12 hours the sick fish seems to be a little
>more active and is not hanging at the surface and not hiding either. Its
>just swimming slowly, kind of with the rest of the gang.
>
>wendy in Oregon
>

See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Defrosted~
Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website