Do you feed fish during Indian Summer?

[D Kat]

The last week we had 3 days of what felt like HOT weather to me. Can you
or should you feed during periods like that?

[mad]

i would think it would have to do with the temperature of the water. do you
have a thermometer in your water?

mad

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> From: "D Kat" >
> Organization: Stony Brook University
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:05:37 -0500
> Subject: Do you feed fish during Indian Summer?
>
> The last week we had 3 days of what felt like HOT weather to me. Can you
> or should you feed during periods like that?
>
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[BenignVanilla]

"D Kat" > wrote in message
...
> The last week we had 3 days of what felt like HOT weather to me. Can you
> or should you feed during periods like that?

I am sure this will draw some fire but, I normally only feed my fish only
occasionally. It's more of a treat then a food source. As for temperature, I
feed them when they are active. No activity. No food. Activity. They get
food.

BV.

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"D Kat" > wrote in message
...
> The last week we had 3 days of what felt like HOT weather to me. Can you
> or should you feed during periods like that?
================================
I feed our koi and goldfish once a day until the water hits about 50 F.
That's also the temperature we turn off the pumps and remove the filters. I
believe they should go into the winter as plump as possible, like the fish
in nature. Only small water pumps keep the surface agitated to keep ice
from smothering the ponds. Last year we didn't lose one fish over the
winter.
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"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
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> I am sure this will draw some fire but, I normally only feed my fish only
> occasionally. It's more of a treat then a food source. As for temperature,
I
> feed them when they are active. No activity. No food. Activity. They get
> food.
====================
In a huge pond with few fish they probably don't need extra food. Most of
us don't have such conditions though.
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normally I didnt once the temp dropped to 55oF, but since the heater went in the temp
still hasnt dropped below 55. this is really working. I pulled all teh plants
yesterday. sigh. Ingrid

"D Kat" > wrote:

>The last week we had 3 days of what felt like HOT weather to me. Can you
>or should you feed during periods like that?
>



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[D Kat]

OK, now you have me torn between wanting to keep the fish active (putting in
a heater) and wanting one less think to worry about what with all the work
of fall cleanup..... DK

> wrote in message
...
> normally I didnt once the temp dropped to 55oF, but since the heater went
in the temp
> still hasnt dropped below 55. this is really working. I pulled all teh
plants
> yesterday. sigh. Ingrid
>
> "D Kat" > wrote:
>
> >The last week we had 3 days of what felt like HOT weather to me. Can
you
> >or should you feed during periods like that?
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Mouse]

Try and match your pond as close as possible to what the fish would have in
the wild, and the environment they would live in. If that means heating then
heat If they are active give a small amount of food.
Here in the UK I don't normally see my fish at this time of year. This year
it is quite mild and the fish are still taking small amounts of food on warm
sunny days. In my 20 years of fish keeping,both pond and tropical fresh
water. I have seen most fish deaths caused by people continually meddling
with the habitat, water quality and overfeeding, etc, than any other causes.
Mike
UK


"D Kat" > wrote in message
et...
> OK, now you have me torn between wanting to keep the fish active (putting
in
> a heater) and wanting one less think to worry about what with all the work
> of fall cleanup..... DK
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > normally I didnt once the temp dropped to 55oF, but since the heater
went
> in the temp
> > still hasnt dropped below 55. this is really working. I pulled all teh
> plants
> > yesterday. sigh. Ingrid
> >
> > "D Kat" > wrote:
> >
> > >The last week we had 3 days of what felt like HOT weather to me. Can
> you
> > >or should you feed during periods like that?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
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in the "wild" most of our fish would have been predated due to their stand out
colors. in the wild they dont get supplemental feeding, in the wild the vast
majority of GF die. Ingrid

"Mouse" > wrote:
>Try and match your pond as close as possible to what the fish would have in
>the wild, and the environment they would live in.


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[Theo van Daele]

Ingrid,

FWIW, I agree.

We should never look at our ponds as something "close to nature".

Unless we have a pond like Sam has (meaning multiple thousands of gallons
per fish), our ponds are not and will never be a "nature" thing.

We can all avoid desillusion taking that little fact into account :-)

Theo

> schreef in bericht
...
> in the "wild" most of our fish would have been predated due to their stand
out
> colors. in the wild they dont get supplemental feeding, in the wild the
vast
> majority of GF die. Ingrid
>
> "Mouse" > wrote:
> >Try and match your pond as close as possible to what the fish would have
in
> >the wild, and the environment they would live in.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Mouse]

I would beg to differ from your opinion. Whilst your statement may be true
of the people who keep koi, which are looked on here as exotic fish, many of
us keep other species. My own 1000 gallon pond, has the same species of
fish, plants, other specimens of wildlife, and water conditions as the vast
lake not far from where I live. Here in the UK that is certainly looked on
as "close to nature"
Mouse
UK

"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
...
> Ingrid,
>
> FWIW, I agree.
>
> We should never look at our ponds as something "close to nature".
>
> Unless we have a pond like Sam has (meaning multiple thousands of gallons
> per fish), our ponds are not and will never be a "nature" thing.
>
> We can all avoid desillusion taking that little fact into account :-)
>
> Theo
>
> > schreef in bericht
> ...
> > in the "wild" most of our fish would have been predated due to their
stand
> out
> > colors. in the wild they dont get supplemental feeding, in the wild the
> vast
> > majority of GF die. Ingrid
> >
> > "Mouse" > wrote:
> > >Try and match your pond as close as possible to what the fish would
have
> in
> > >the wild, and the environment they would live in.
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
>


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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Perhaps we need to take a poll, but I would guess you are in the minority
within this group. Thus said, your advice is still valid with a clarifier
of what kind of pond you keep.

From a Koi Vet's perspective they say the majority of fish deaths (koi &
goldfish) are from water quality and the poor upkeep thereof. From a koi
dealers perspective, they say the average life span of a koi is 2 weeks....
I deduct from poor water quality. ~ jan :o)

>On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:15 -0000, "Mouse" > wrote:

>I would beg to differ from your opinion. Whilst your statement may be true
>of the people who keep koi, which are looked on here as exotic fish, many of
>us keep other species. My own 1000 gallon pond, has the same species of
>fish, plants, other specimens of wildlife, and water conditions as the vast
>lake not far from where I live. Here in the UK that is certainly looked on
>as "close to nature"
>Mouse
>UK
>
>"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
...
>> Ingrid,
>>
>> FWIW, I agree.
>>
>> We should never look at our ponds as something "close to nature".
>>
>> Unless we have a pond like Sam has (meaning multiple thousands of gallons
>> per fish), our ponds are not and will never be a "nature" thing.
>>
>> We can all avoid desillusion taking that little fact into account :-)
>>
>> Theo
>>
>> > schreef in bericht
>> ...
>> > in the "wild" most of our fish would have been predated due to their
>stand
>> out
>> > colors. in the wild they dont get supplemental feeding, in the wild the
>> vast
>> > majority of GF die. Ingrid
>> >
>> > "Mouse" > wrote:
>> > >Try and match your pond as close as possible to what the fish would
>have
>> in
>> > >the wild, and the environment they would live in.
>> >
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>> > www.drsolo.com
>> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>>
>>
>
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[Mouse]

I agree with you totally. I am obviously in a minority in this group as I
don't keep Koi. However overfeeding = poor water quality= fish deaths
whatever the species. The other problem I seem to have is that my use of
English differs from the American English :-)
Mouse

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> Perhaps we need to take a poll, but I would guess you are in the minority
> within this group. Thus said, your advice is still valid with a clarifier
> of what kind of pond you keep.
>
> From a Koi Vet's perspective they say the majority of fish deaths (koi &
> goldfish) are from water quality and the poor upkeep thereof. From a koi
> dealers perspective, they say the average life span of a koi is 2
weeks....
> I deduct from poor water quality. ~ jan :o)
>
> >On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:11:15 -0000, "Mouse"
> wrote:
>
> >I would beg to differ from your opinion. Whilst your statement may be
true
> >of the people who keep koi, which are looked on here as exotic fish, many
of
> >us keep other species. My own 1000 gallon pond, has the same species of
> >fish, plants, other specimens of wildlife, and water conditions as the
vast
> >lake not far from where I live. Here in the UK that is certainly looked
on
> >as "close to nature"
> >Mouse
> >UK
> >
> >"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Ingrid,
> >>
> >> FWIW, I agree.
> >>
> >> We should never look at our ponds as something "close to nature".
> >>
> >> Unless we have a pond like Sam has (meaning multiple thousands of
gallons
> >> per fish), our ponds are not and will never be a "nature" thing.
> >>
> >> We can all avoid desillusion taking that little fact into account :-)
> >>
> >> Theo
> >>
> >> > schreef in bericht
> >> ...
> >> > in the "wild" most of our fish would have been predated due to their
> >stand
> >> out
> >> > colors. in the wild they dont get supplemental feeding, in the wild
the
> >> vast
> >> > majority of GF die. Ingrid
> >> >
> >> > "Mouse" > wrote:
> >> > >Try and match your pond as close as possible to what the fish would
> >have
> >> in
> >> > >the wild, and the environment they would live in.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> >> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> >> > www.drsolo.com
> >> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> >> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> >> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
> >>
> >>
> >
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[Theo van Daele]

> The other problem I seem to have is that my use of
> English differs from the American English :-)

Erm... can you explain this to me, a poor Belgian, just back yesterday from
a track day at Brands Hatch, who's native language is neither UK or US
English ?

This is a very global world these days, with people trying to give the best
info they can... how many natural ponds do you know (Midlands, North,
Southern, Scouse, where-ever) you know that hold say only 50.000 gallons (US
or UK) ? ;-)

Theo

[Mouse]

Where I live in Yorkshire, almost all villages have a pond that has been
there for many hundreds of years, some of these are quite small, and even
dry up in the summer season. Many other small ponds / pools were formed by
the Romans, and later Monks specifically for keeping fish for food. These
would all be referred to as natural ponds, because of the habitat and
wildlife that they attract and support. Size and volume of water would not
enter into the equation
Mouse

"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
...
> > The other problem I seem to have is that my use of
> > English differs from the American English :-)
>
> Erm... can you explain this to me, a poor Belgian, just back yesterday
from
> a track day at Brands Hatch, who's native language is neither UK or US
> English ?
>
> This is a very global world these days, with people trying to give the
best
> info they can... how many natural ponds do you know (Midlands, North,
> Southern, Scouse, where-ever) you know that hold say only 50.000 gallons
(US
> or UK) ? ;-)
>
> Theo
>
>
>


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[Theo van Daele]

Don't really want to argue about this, been to York last year (Elvington),
and I know that the UK has a great tradition on ponds/gardens ! :-)

Just didn't understand the "US/UK" bit.

Theo

"Mouse" > schreef in bericht
. ..
> Where I live in Yorkshire, almost all villages have a pond that has been
> there for many hundreds of years, some of these are quite small, and even
> dry up in the summer season. Many other small ponds / pools were formed by
> the Romans, and later Monks specifically for keeping fish for food. These
> would all be referred to as natural ponds, because of the habitat and
> wildlife that they attract and support. Size and volume of water would not
> enter into the equation
> Mouse

[Mouse]

As I am sure you have noticed many words and phrases have different
meanings.
Here we have back gardens, Americans have yards, American cars have
trunks,ours have boots etc,etc,etc. This often leads to misunderstandings. I
noticed it particularly when visiting relatives in NY. I also discovered
that not all Americans say "have a nice day", a popular misconception in the
UK. :-)
BTW, I live in Driffield, about 20minutes drive from Elvington, hope you
liked it here.
Mouse

"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
...
> Don't really want to argue about this, been to York last year (Elvington),
> and I know that the UK has a great tradition on ponds/gardens ! :-)
>
> Just didn't understand the "US/UK" bit.
>
> Theo
>
> "Mouse" > schreef in bericht
> . ..
> > Where I live in Yorkshire, almost all villages have a pond that has been
> > there for many hundreds of years, some of these are quite small, and
even
> > dry up in the summer season. Many other small ponds / pools were formed
by
> > the Romans, and later Monks specifically for keeping fish for food.
These
> > would all be referred to as natural ponds, because of the habitat and
> > wildlife that they attract and support. Size and volume of water would
not
> > enter into the equation
> > Mouse
>
>


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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:06:14 -0000, "Mouse"
> wrote:

>I also discovered that not all Americans say "have a nice day",
>a popular misconception in the UK. :-)

:o) That depends on when you visited. This is a very old phase from the
80's when the masses did use this term and it peaked.

In the US our clickie phases are always changing. One of the latest is
*My bad* (My mistake) *Bring it* rather than Bring it On is another. I'm
sure there are others, but my brain is on lukewarm today. Maybe other USers
can think of them, or perhaps there is a website. ;o)

The biggest misconception foreigns have regarding the US, imo. Is having
any conception about us at all. We're just as likely to stand behind you in
some line, overhearding you talk to family members and than go home and use
your same language w/accent to talk to our family members. Why we're called
the melting pot, we claim traditions, but never let them claim us.... at
least not for long. ;o) ~ jan


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[Theo van Daele]

>>the melting pot

Very very true Jan. You are only say 250 to 300 million, give or take,
from only say 5 continents ;-) so you must all be rather the same :-p

My post about the language bit was tongue in cheek, just because of this.
Even in the UK, there are so many different ways of saying things, depending
on where one lives, the younger generations even using txtsp3ak. Gobsmacking
as it were...

Oh and yes Mouse, York was beautiful when I was there. I was a bit miffed
(is that UK or US ? ;) ) about why I was thrown out of the bar at 10 PM
though, but to each their own, and when in Rome... ;-)

Elvington was great, we were at the (ex?) airfield for looning around in our
cars. Small world or what ! :-) For me the UK is petrol head heaven...

Bugger (is that US or UK ? ;-) ) I'm off topic again.

Blimey then ?

I'll shut up now :-)

Theo

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > schreef in bericht
...
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:06:14 -0000, "Mouse"
> > wrote:
>
> >I also discovered that not all Americans say "have a nice day",
> >a popular misconception in the UK. :-)
>
> :o) That depends on when you visited. This is a very old phase from the
> 80's when the masses did use this term and it peaked.
>
> In the US our clickie phases are always changing. One of the latest is
> *My bad* (My mistake) *Bring it* rather than Bring it On is another. I'm
> sure there are others, but my brain is on lukewarm today. Maybe other
USers
> can think of them, or perhaps there is a website. ;o)
>
> The biggest misconception foreigns have regarding the US, imo. Is having
> any conception about us at all. We're just as likely to stand behind you
in
> some line, overhearding you talk to family members and than go home and
use
> your same language w/accent to talk to our family members. Why we're
called
> the melting pot, we claim traditions, but never let them claim us.... at
> least not for long. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
> See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
> http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Defrosted~
> Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website

[Mouse]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:06:14 -0000, "Mouse"
> > wrote:
>
> >I also discovered that not all Americans say "have a nice day",
> >a popular misconception in the UK. :-)
>
> :o) That depends on when you visited. This is a very old phase from the
> 80's when the masses did use this term and it peaked.
>
> In the US our clickie phases are always changing. One of the latest is
> *My bad* (My mistake) *Bring it* rather than Bring it On is another. I'm
> sure there are others, but my brain is on lukewarm today. Maybe other
USers
> can think of them, or perhaps there is a website. ;o)
>
> The biggest misconception foreigns have regarding the US, imo. Is having
> any conception about us at all. We're just as likely to stand behind you
in
> some line, overhearding you talk to family members and than go home and
use
> your same language w/accent to talk to our family members. Why we're
called
> the melting pot, we claim traditions, but never let them claim us.... at
> least not for long. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
> See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
> http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Defrosted~
> Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website

Only visited NY as my wife has relatives there that are decedents from the
early Norwegian immigrants that entered through Ellis Island. I must admit
that my conception of NY was from films we see on TV. What a pleasant
surprise to find out it was nothing like the films, and the people truly
wonderful. When they came to visit the UK and we took them to see a real
castle (of the knights in shining armour variety), they told us they had
always thought they only existed in films. :-)
Mouse


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[BenignVanilla]

"Theo van Daele" > wrote in message
...
> Ingrid,
>
> FWIW, I agree.
>
> We should never look at our ponds as something "close to nature".
>
> Unless we have a pond like Sam has (meaning multiple thousands of gallons
> per fish), our ponds are not and will never be a "nature" thing.
>
> We can all avoid desillusion taking that little fact into account :-)
<snip>

I think I disagree, although I have not thought this through. Clearly, a
2000 gallon pond is not a lake, but surely, we can create microcosm of this
great macrocosm that we live in?

BV.

[BenignVanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:06:14 -0000, "Mouse"
> > wrote:
>
> >I also discovered that not all Americans say "have a nice day",
> >a popular misconception in the UK. :-)
>
> :o) That depends on when you visited. This is a very old phase from the
> 80's when the masses did use this term and it peaked.
>
> In the US our clickie phases are always changing. One of the latest is
> *My bad* (My mistake) *Bring it* rather than Bring it On is another. I'm
> sure there are others, but my brain is on lukewarm today. Maybe other
USers
> can think of them, or perhaps there is a website. ;o)
<snip>

I still say Dude, is that still cool?

BV.

[THE Old Man]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:42:15 GMT, "Theo van Daele"
> wrote:

>>>the melting pot
>
>Very very true Jan. You are only say 250 to 300 million, give or take,
>from only say 5 continents ;-) so you must all be rather the same :-p
>
>My post about the language bit was tongue in cheek, just because of this.
>Even in the UK, there are so many different ways of saying things, depending
>on where one lives, the younger generations even using txtsp3ak. Gobsmacking
>as it were...
>
>Oh and yes Mouse, York was beautiful when I was there. I was a bit miffed
>(is that UK or US ? ;) ) about why I was thrown out of the bar at 10 PM
>though, but to each their own, and when in Rome... ;-)
>
>Elvington was great, we were at the (ex?) airfield for looning around in our
>cars. Small world or what ! :-) For me the UK is petrol head heaven...
>
>Bugger (is that US or UK ? ;-) ) I'm off topic again.
>
>Blimey then ?
>
>I'll shut up now :-)
>
>Theo
>

I live in Mississippi and have been here since about 1958, with a few
short excursions outside the state. Most of my life has been in
Louisiana, Texas, Alabama and Mississippi but I lived in Springfield,
Illinois for about 2 years. We were invited to homes often because of
our accent. The locals loved to hear us talk about sirens and police
.... sireeens and po-lease. And, of course, we did a lot of ma'ams and
y'alls. One lady from Ohio was giggling one evening and said "I think
it is so funny the way YOU'NS say y'all." Another term we use is TUMP
as in "did you tump the barrell over and let the water out?" One
night at a party my wife said she had tumped something over ... don't
recall just what... and a lady from across the room hurried over and
said "where are y'all from?". She was from Alabama and the word
"tump" caught her ear.

dd

ps: I do drive a pickup truck but I don't have a flag or hunting
rifle hanging in the truck's window. :)

[Theo van Daele]

> I think I disagree, although I have not thought this through. Clearly, a
> 2000 gallon pond is not a lake, but surely, we can create microcosm of
this
> great macrocosm that we live in?

We can mimic it IMHO, but it needs our constant attention to not let it
"evolve" into a stinking swamp...

Much depends on stocking levels of course, there are perfect examples of
ponds with just a few fish (no koi), ample oxygenating plants and other
plants, that survive without even being filtered (or fed !)

Even then, you can expect the occasional PH crash or low oxygen situation
causing all the fish to die. As they would in nature.

Most ponds need some human intervention (a pump, airpump, occasional
cleaning, water changes, netting) to make for continually happy fish.

Throw in one koi and things get a lot further from nature.

Nothing is ever 100% true, I realize that, there's a great story in Peter
Waddington's Koi Kichi where he has a very sick koi with holes in it,
ulcers, fins all shredded, a gonner. He throws it in a small pond in his
backyard (no filtration, no airpump) to let it die in peace. He then
forgets about it, and after 3 years he wants to drain that pond and clean it
out. First he finds a kid's bike, en then suddenly he sees something
moving... yup, that same koi, grown to 20 inches, no deformaties at all,
almost show quality...

He then continues to say we shouldn't stop our filters or throw bikes in our
pond ;-)

Theo

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:03:49 -0800
~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:

> Why we're called
> the melting pot, we claim traditions, but never let them claim us

That's wunnerful, just wunnerful! Often we make /new/ traditions, too.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:24:04 -0500
"BenignVanilla" > wrote:

>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:06:14 -0000, "Mouse"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >I also discovered that not all Americans say "have a nice day",
> > >a popular misconception in the UK. :-)
> >
> > :o) That depends on when you visited. This is a very old phase from
> > the
> > 80's when the masses did use this term and it peaked.
> >
> > In the US our clickie phases are always changing. One of the latest
> > is*My bad* (My mistake) *Bring it* rather than Bring it On is
> > another. I'm sure there are others, but my brain is on lukewarm
> > today. Maybe other
> USers
> > can think of them, or perhaps there is a website. ;o)
> <snip>
>
> I still say Dude, is that still cool?
>
> BV.
>
It is as long as you only mean poultry when you day, "chick."

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[jr]

BenignVanilla wrote:
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> news:f7na.
>
> I still say Dude, is that still cool?
>
> BV.
>
> so do we in the southwest but i think it has a different meaning ;-)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:42:15 GMT, "Theo van Daele" > wrote:

>>>the melting pot
>
>Very very true Jan. You are only say 250 to 300 million, give or take,
>from only say 5 continents ;-) so you must all be rather the same :-p

LOL, yeah, I was quite disappointed this fall to go from the north west
furthest most state of WA, besides Alaska, to the opposite corner SE to
Georgia and find very few had deep southern accents. Other than the weather
it wasn't much different than traveling to a nearby town of similar size.
<s>

>miffed (is that UK or US ? ;)

Not sure but,

>Bugger & Blimey

Are definitely yours. ;o) ~ jan
See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Defrosted~
Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
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[BenignVanilla]

"Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote in message
news:20031115074213.4a1bbed7.Cybe_R_Wizard@Wizards Tower...
<snip>
> It is as long as you only mean poultry when you day, "chick."
<snip>

I hear ya...I remember when harass was two words. (*Hint, say it out loud).

BV.

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lightly, as long as they are eating, but keep an eagle eye on ammonia, nitrites adn
nitrates. Ingrid

animaux > wrote:
>So, if we keep the pond water 55 during the winter, we should feed as normal?


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