Execution Chamber!

[Bubba]

I have an outdoor pond - concrete and masonry - - perhaps 4 ft x 10 feet by
a couple of feet deep. It has an effective filtration and circulation
system. Until last year, my critters lived in it in peace and harmony.

Then:

It began to lose water fairly rapidly through a large crack that had
developed in the bottom. I drained the pond and called in my favorite
neighborhood handyman who cured the problem by cleaning out the crack and
filling it with an epoxy compound. The pond no longer loses water - - now
it kills fish. Everything I introduce to the pond DIES. After many months
(and many sacrificial fish) I declare myself thoroughly STUMPED.

Any ideas? I innately suspect that the epoxy has something to do with it,
but the water has been changed and filtered so long that it doesn't seem
plausible.

Any or all suggestions, ideas, hints, cures, curses, spells or incantations
will be cheerfully
appreciated.

[GrannyGrump]

>Any ideas? I innately suspect that the epoxy has something to do with it,
>but the water has been changed and filtered so long that it doesn't seem
>plausible.

It is still possible.

>Any or all suggestions, ideas, hints, cures, curses, spells or incantations
>will be cheerfully
>appreciated.

http://www.sanitred.com/WaterFountain.htm

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Have you done the usual water tests on it? Find out what kind of epoxy,
maybe someone here will know more about it, my understanding was once dry
it was okay. Maybe there are different kinds? How quickly do the fish die
and what are their symptoms? ~ jan

>On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:31:09 GMT, "Bubba" > wrote:

>I have an outdoor pond - concrete and masonry - - perhaps 4 ft x 10 feet by
>a couple of feet deep. It has an effective filtration and circulation
>system. Until last year, my critters lived in it in peace and harmony.
>
>Then:
>
>It began to lose water fairly rapidly through a large crack that had
>developed in the bottom. I drained the pond and called in my favorite
>neighborhood handyman who cured the problem by cleaning out the crack and
>filling it with an epoxy compound. The pond no longer loses water - - now
>it kills fish. Everything I introduce to the pond DIES. After many months
>(and many sacrificial fish) I declare myself thoroughly STUMPED.
>
>Any ideas? I innately suspect that the epoxy has something to do with it,
>but the water has been changed and filtered so long that it doesn't seem
>plausible.
>
>Any or all suggestions, ideas, hints, cures, curses, spells or incantations
>will be cheerfully
>appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>

If it was a 2-part epoxy cured with a polyamide, there lies your problem.
The polyamide will continue to leach into the water and of course, it is
toxic to fish. By the way, two part epoxies are not particularly resistant
to water so, it's gonna leak again sooner or later. You should have used
hydraulic cement.

Dean

"Bubba" > wrote in message
...
> I have an outdoor pond - concrete and masonry - - perhaps 4 ft x 10 feet
by
> a couple of feet deep. It has an effective filtration and circulation
> system. Until last year, my critters lived in it in peace and harmony.
>
> Then:
>
> It began to lose water fairly rapidly through a large crack that had
> developed in the bottom. I drained the pond and called in my favorite
> neighborhood handyman who cured the problem by cleaning out the crack and
> filling it with an epoxy compound. The pond no longer loses water - -
now
> it kills fish. Everything I introduce to the pond DIES. After many
months
> (and many sacrificial fish) I declare myself thoroughly STUMPED.
>
> Any ideas? I innately suspect that the epoxy has something to do with it,
> but the water has been changed and filtered so long that it doesn't seem
> plausible.
>
> Any or all suggestions, ideas, hints, cures, curses, spells or
incantations
> will be cheerfully
> appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Hi Dean,

Can he cover the epoxy with something, or does it need to be removed
totally? ~ jan

>On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:27:12 GMT, > wrote:

>If it was a 2-part epoxy cured with a polyamide, there lies your problem.
>The polyamide will continue to leach into the water and of course, it is
>toxic to fish. By the way, two part epoxies are not particularly resistant
>to water so, it's gonna leak again sooner or later. You should have used
>hydraulic cement.
>
>Dean
>
>"Bubba" > wrote in message
...
>> I have an outdoor pond - concrete and masonry - - perhaps 4 ft x 10 feet
>by
>> a couple of feet deep. It has an effective filtration and circulation
>> system. Until last year, my critters lived in it in peace and harmony.
>>
>> Then:
>>
>> It began to lose water fairly rapidly through a large crack that had
>> developed in the bottom. I drained the pond and called in my favorite
>> neighborhood handyman who cured the problem by cleaning out the crack and
>> filling it with an epoxy compound. The pond no longer loses water - -
>now
>> it kills fish. Everything I introduce to the pond DIES. After many
>months
>> (and many sacrificial fish) I declare myself thoroughly STUMPED.
>>
>> Any ideas? I innately suspect that the epoxy has something to do with it,
>> but the water has been changed and filtered so long that it doesn't seem
>> plausible.
>>
>> Any or all suggestions, ideas, hints, cures, curses, spells or
>incantations
>> will be cheerfully
>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[Lee B.]

I don't know if this would work or not, but there's always the rubberized
paint that could cover the whole thing. And the positive cure-all would be
to install the 45-mil pond liner material. Both should solve the leak
problem and (probably) the leaching problem.

Lee

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Dean,
>
> Can he cover the epoxy with something, or does it need to be removed
> totally? ~ jan
>
> >On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:27:12 GMT, > wrote:
>
> >If it was a 2-part epoxy cured with a polyamide, there lies your problem.
> >The polyamide will continue to leach into the water and of course, it is
> >toxic to fish. By the way, two part epoxies are not particularly
resistant
> >to water so, it's gonna leak again sooner or later. You should have used
> >hydraulic cement.
> >
> >Dean
> >
> >"Bubba" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I have an outdoor pond - concrete and masonry - - perhaps 4 ft x 10
feet
> >by
> >> a couple of feet deep. It has an effective filtration and circulation
> >> system. Until last year, my critters lived in it in peace and harmony.
> >>
> >> Then:
> >>
> >> It began to lose water fairly rapidly through a large crack that had
> >> developed in the bottom. I drained the pond and called in my
favorite
> >> neighborhood handyman who cured the problem by cleaning out the crack
and
> >> filling it with an epoxy compound. The pond no longer loses water - -
> >now
> >> it kills fish. Everything I introduce to the pond DIES. After many
> >months
> >> (and many sacrificial fish) I declare myself thoroughly STUMPED.
> >>
> >> Any ideas? I innately suspect that the epoxy has something to do with
it,
> >> but the water has been changed and filtered so long that it doesn't
seem
> >> plausible.
> >>
> >> Any or all suggestions, ideas, hints, cures, curses, spells or
> >incantations
> >> will be cheerfully
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[Glenn Lynn]

I hate to see you go without any answers to your post, so I will add
my two cents even though I really don't have an answer.

1. Have you tested your water with one of those home pond test kits
to see if there is something that might be killing the fish? If you
have and it is OK, you might want to take a sample of your water to
one of those places that tests drinking water and see what kind of
results you get.

2. Have you introduced any new plants? Are any of them toxic to
fish?

3. If it is not your water and not your plants, then it almost seems
it must be the epoxy eventhough I find that hard to believe. You
could cover up the problem and any future leaks by installing a rubber
pond liner.

I hope something I have mentioned helps.
Glenn Lynn

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:31:09 GMT, "Bubba"
> wrote:

>I have an outdoor pond - concrete and masonry - - perhaps 4 ft x 10 feet by
>a couple of feet deep. It has an effective filtration and circulation
>system. Until last year, my critters lived in it in peace and harmony.
>
>Then:
>
>It began to lose water fairly rapidly through a large crack that had
>developed in the bottom. I drained the pond and called in my favorite
>neighborhood handyman who cured the problem by cleaning out the crack and
>filling it with an epoxy compound. The pond no longer loses water - - now
>it kills fish. Everything I introduce to the pond DIES. After many months
>(and many sacrificial fish) I declare myself thoroughly STUMPED.
>
>Any ideas? I innately suspect that the epoxy has something to do with it,
>but the water has been changed and filtered so long that it doesn't seem
>plausible.
>
>Any or all suggestions, ideas, hints, cures, curses, spells or incantations
>will be cheerfully
>appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>