Help Again Please-You Guys Are Awesome!

[Judi9000]

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

[Judi9000]

How do I test the salt levels in my ponds?

[Steve J. Noll]

On 20 Feb 2004 05:41:16 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

>How do I test the salt levels in my ponds?

Aquarium Pharmeceuticals Pond Care Salt Level Test Kit #163.
Sells online for $5 to $6.


Steve J. Noll | Ventura California
| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv

[BenignVanilla]

"Steve J. Noll" > wrote in message
...
> On 20 Feb 2004 05:41:16 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:
>
> >How do I test the salt levels in my ponds?
>
> Aquarium Pharmeceuticals Pond Care Salt Level Test Kit #163.
> Sells online for $5 to $6.

I'd also suggest checking out Pet Smart's Pond Aisle. I bought a test kit
that covers all of the important numbers including salinity for about
$35.00, if I remember correctly. The OP, may want to get a complete kit
while (s)he's at it.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Hal]

On 20 Feb 2004 05:41:16 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

>How do I test the salt levels in my ponds?

Pet Smart carries a Salt Level Test Kit made by Aquarium
Pharmaceuticals.

Regards,

Hal

[RichToyBox]

Look at this link if it comes through
http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/articles_details.php?article_id=94&category=17&name=Diseases
or go to www.koivetlcom and look for the article titled "Infectious Diseases
of Goldfish and Koi "
Because of the life cycle of the ich, it must leave the fish to divide and
it can only be killed while away from the fish. Since different infections
will dislodge from the fish at different times, and due to the length of the
life cycle, I think salt is the only cure.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html



"Judi9000" > wrote in message
...
> At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks
at Pet
> Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.).
I
> brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the
parasites
> were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
> rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of
ich!
> Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt
and
> parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt?
Will
> salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's
warmer?
> Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your
help.
> Judi
>
> FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
> hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
> hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it
doesn't
> hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

[Judi9000]

here's the nuts and bolts of Salting Ich..
1. Remove valued live plants.
2. Raise temperature to 80 degrees, tops.
3. Increase aeration!
4. Add one teaspoon of salt per gallon.
5. Twelve hours later, add another one teaspoon of salt per gallon.
6. Twelve hours later, add another one teaspoon of salt per gallon.
7. Within 48-60 hours of the second salt dose at 80 degrees, the Ich
will be gone.
8. Leave salt in the water for another 3-5 days unless you're worried
about your live plants.
9. Remove salt via partial waterchanges. (30-40% at a time if desired).

>Look at this link if it comes through
>
>http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/articles_details.php?article_id=94&ca
tegory=17&name=Diseases

Thank you! This helped a bunch!

[[email protected]]

http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/symptom/byname.htm#ich
dont use formalin or quick cure in cold temps. dont combine formalin and salt and
heat, is very toxic to deadly for fish. If you can bring the temp up, then use QC
for 3 days with water changes that will do it.
Ingrid

(Judi9000) wrote:

>At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
>Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
>brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
>were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
>rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
>Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
>parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
>salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
>Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
> Judi
>
>FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
>hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
>hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
>hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Judi,

Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.

If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan

>On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

>At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
>Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
>brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
>were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
>rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
>Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
>parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
>salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
>Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
> Judi
>
>FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
>hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
>hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
>hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

~ jan

[[email protected]]

on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but
the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can
work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it
disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF.
what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
>Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
>like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
>bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
>you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
>watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
>certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
>covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.
>
>If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
>don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan
>
>>On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:
>
>>At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
>>Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
>>brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
>>were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
>>rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
>>Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
>>parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
>>salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
>>Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
>> Judi
>>
>>FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
>>hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
>>hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
>>hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!
>
>~ jan



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Judi9000]

Maybe the koi are tougher than the GF? It's the GF that showed signs of ich but
it was after the purchase of the koi from the feeder tank. The new and older
koi look ok.

I've been using Rid Ich along with salt. I don't have the test kit or a
thermometer yet so I don't know exactly how much salt is in there or the
temperature.

It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What about
salt?

Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish? I
moved all the fish to my smaller pond so I would use less of the Rid Ich?

This is all really frustrating! I do appreciate all of the different ideas
and advice form you all!

Thanks, Judi

> wrote:
>>Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
>>like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
>>bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
>>you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
>>watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
>>certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
>>covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.
>>
>>If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
>>don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan
>>

>From:

>on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may
>work, but
>the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP
>can
>work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but
>it
>disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF.
>what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid
>
wrote:
>>>At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at
>Pet
>>>Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.).
>I
>>>brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
>>>were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
>>>rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
>>>Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt
>and
>>>parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt?
>Will
>>>salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's
>warmer?
>>>Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your
>help.
>>> Judi
>>>

[RichToyBox]

RidIck is a mixture of formalin and malachite green. It will kill filters,
so care must be exercised to remove filtration during treatment or turn off
filters. It is also heavier than water, so without some form of mixing, it
will create high concentrations at the bottom that can kill fish. Formalin
should not be left in the pond, but concentration reduced at about 2 hours
after dosing, by doing a 50% water change. Salt is non-toxic to the
filters, at least in the dosages that you would use to treat fish.

The filter media in the large pond will survive for a few days on the waste
that is already in the pond, but may slow down due to a lack of supply of
food. As soon as treatments have concluded, move some of the fish back, and
monitor ammonia and nitrites.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Judi9000" > wrote in message
...
> Maybe the koi are tougher than the GF? It's the GF that showed signs of
ich but
> it was after the purchase of the koi from the feeder tank. The new and
older
> koi look ok.
>
> I've been using Rid Ich along with salt. I don't have the test kit or a
> thermometer yet so I don't know exactly how much salt is in there or the
> temperature.
>
> It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What
about
> salt?
>
> Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish?
I
> moved all the fish to my smaller pond so I would use less of the Rid Ich?
>
> This is all really frustrating! I do appreciate all of the different
ideas
> and advice form you all!
>
> Thanks, Judi
>
> > wrote:
> >>Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will
look
> >>like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots
are
> >>bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest
thing
> >>you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to
be
> >>watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
> >>certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
> >>covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.
> >>
> >>If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there
that
> >>don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan
> >>
>
> >From:
>
> >on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may
> >work, but
> >the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em
inside. PP
> >can
> >work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi,
but
> >it
> >disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF.
> >what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid
> >
> wrote:
> >>>At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder
tanks at
> >Pet
> >>>Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms,
etc.).
> >I
> >>>brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the
parasites
> >>>were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the
temperatures
> >>>rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of
ich!
> >>>Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of
salt
> >and
> >>>parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt?
> >Will
> >>>salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's
> >warmer?
> >>>Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for
your
> >help.
> >>> Judi
> >>>
>
>

[Judi9000]

Thanks!

>RidIck is a mixture of formalin and malachite green. It will kill filters,
>so care must be exercised to remove filtration during treatment or turn off
>filters. It is also heavier than water, so without some form of mixing, it
>will create high concentrations at the bottom that can kill fish. Formalin
>should not be left in the pond, but concentration reduced at about 2 hours
>after dosing, by doing a 50% water change. Salt is non-toxic to the
>filters, at least in the dosages that you would use to treat fish.
>
>The filter media in the large pond will survive for a few days on the waste
>that is already in the pond, but may slow down due to a lack of supply of
>food. As soon as treatments have concluded, move some of the fish back, and
>monitor ammonia and nitrites.
>--
>RichToyBox

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>I've been using Rid Ich along with salt.
>It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What about
>salt?

Rich answer the Rid Ich question. Salt, added slowly will not hurt the
filter.

>I don't have the test kit or a thermometer yet so I don't know
>exactly how much salt is in there or the
>temperature.

>Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish?

The bacteria on the filter (bio thingy) is dependent on the fish waste to
feed it, it will be there in a small quantity or even in sleeper mode some
say, but it won't be up to par to handle your fish waste right away, when
you return them to the pond.

>This is all really frustrating!

It is really frustrating to those of us who tell people to get the
equipment to monitor their water quality and instead of doing that, get
sucked in by sales clerks, with no professional training, to buy medicines
when they don't even know what they're medicating for, if it will work or
cause more harm.

Please, Judi, if you do nothing else, PLEASE go buy the test kits, run the
tests and report the numbers here. At that time we can REALLY help. If
you're amazed now, you'll be knocked off your feet at that time. :o)

Minimum test kits to purchased are: Ammonia, Nitrite, pH & Kh, and get a
thermometer. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[Judi9000]

Hi Jan.
I got the thermometer yesterday. The temperature has been between 52 and 59. I
looked for the salt test kit at 3 different pet stores but couldn't find one
anywhere. I usually take water samples to the pet store and they check it for
ph, etc. Whenever the water has been tested the results are fine. They use the
test strips. Once when the fish were in an aquarium inside the house the
ammonia was high but other than that it's been fine. I do really want and need
something to test the salt. Since I've been doing water changes everyday I have
no idea how much salt is in there. As for the bio thingy (filter), I'm going
to put some fish back in the bigger pond tommorow. The little pond will just
have to start over. Or I'll move some of the little bio balls into the smaller
ponds filter when I'm finished medicating.

>Please, Judi, if you do nothing else, PLEASE go buy the test kits, run the
>tests and report the numbers here. At that time we can REALLY help. If
>you're amazed now, you'll be knocked off your feet at that time. :o)

>Minimum test kits to purchased are: Ammonia, Nitrite, pH & Kh, and get a
>thermometer. ~ jan

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Test strips are not very reliable. Check www.thatfishplace.com look under
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals for test kits. They have a salt test kit under
$10, plus all the rest I mentioned, under $5.

>I got the thermometer yesterday. The temperature has been between 52 and 59.

If your fish are inside, I wouldn't be putting them outside till the water
temp is up in the 70's, not when you're concerned about Ich. ~ jan
~ jan

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Test strips are not very reliable. Check www.thatfishplace.com look under
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals for test kits. They have a salt test kit under
$10, plus all the rest I mentioned, under $5.

>I got the thermometer yesterday. The temperature has been between 52 and 59.

If your fish are inside, I wouldn't be putting them outside till the water
temp is up in the 70's, not when you're concerned about Ich. ~ jan
~ jan

[Judi9000]

My fish stay out year round except for once when I was treating for ich. This
time I'm not moving them in. Just moved them from a larger pond to a smaller
one. Thanks for the input. Will look on that site for the salt kit .

>If your fish are inside, I wouldn't be putting them outside till the water
>temp is up in the 70's, not when you're concerned about Ich. ~ jan
>~ jan

[Judi9000]

My fish stay out year round except for once when I was treating for ich. This
time I'm not moving them in. Just moved them from a larger pond to a smaller
one. Thanks for the input. Will look on that site for the salt kit .

>If your fish are inside, I wouldn't be putting them outside till the water
>temp is up in the 70's, not when you're concerned about Ich. ~ jan
>~ jan