Palm Tree Question

[Wayne]

Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone 7A,
North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
yard. Thanks!

[Mike Patterson]

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:14:29 GMT, "Wayne" > wrote:

>Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone 7A,
>North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
>yard. Thanks!
>

I have a friend here in 7b (I think) that had 2 palm trees for several
years, every fall he'd wrap them in plastic and stack hay bales around
them. Then last year he got lazy and they died.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[KCnRichmond]

Dicksonia Antarctica doing just fine here in Rich-Va.........


"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:14:29 GMT, "Wayne" > wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone 7A,
> >North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
> >yard. Thanks!
> >
>
> I have a friend here in 7b (I think) that had 2 palm trees for several
> years, every fall he'd wrap them in plastic and stack hay bales around
> them. Then last year he got lazy and they died.
>
>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Wayne]

"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:14:29 GMT, "Wayne" > wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone 7A,
> >North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
> >yard. Thanks!
> >
>
> I have a friend here in 7b (I think) that had 2 palm trees for several
> years, every fall he'd wrap them in plastic and stack hay bales around
> them. Then last year he got lazy and they died.
>
>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

At the entrance of a development 3-4 miles from my house, They have two tall
(probably 25 - 35 feet) palm trees that have lived through at least 3-4
winters. They look just like the palms you see at the beaches in Florida
but needless to say, they are some special kind for our winters here in NC.
If I can find out who planted them and what kind they are, I'll post back to
the group. They are beautiful and the tops stay green year-round. Thanks
for your reply.

[Wayne]

I looked up the Dicksonia Antartica and I've never seen any of those. They
should survive well, as witnessed by yours in Va. Thanks for sharing.

"KCnRichmond" > wrote in message
...
> Dicksonia Antarctica doing just fine here in Rich-Va.........
>
>
> "Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:14:29 GMT, "Wayne" > wrote:
> >
> > >Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone
7A,
> > >North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my
back
> > >yard. Thanks!
> > >
> >
> > I have a friend here in 7b (I think) that had 2 palm trees for several
> > years, every fall he'd wrap them in plastic and stack hay bales around
> > them. Then last year he got lazy and they died.
> >
> >
> > Mike Patterson
> > Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
>
>

[Terry]

Hi Wayne,
THe palms that immediately come to mind are the Windmill Palm and the
Dwarf Palmetto Palm. Both have been grow in Zone 7 and the Windmill
Palm will "sometimes" survive in Zone 6 (needs to be in a
microclimate). The one proviso here is that they will not achieve the
heights that they would in a more southern climate, but they will
survive, and they will look great next to your pond.
Terry

"Wayne" > wrote in message >...
> Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone 7A,
> North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
> yard. Thanks!

[stricks760]

Maybe not a North Caroline species, but absolutely avoid a Queen Palm in
close proximity to your pond. Roots will grow through the liner like it's
not even there. Only solution is concrete (or some distance) between the
palm and the liner.

"Wayne" > wrote in message
. com...
> Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone 7A,
> North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
> yard. Thanks!
>
>

[Wayne]

Good point... I hadn't even thought of that. I was going to plant it, once
I find one that will live, on the border of the pond. That defeats my
purpose for having the palm. I wanted to give the pond that tropical look.
Thanks for replying.

"stricks760" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Maybe not a North Caroline species, but absolutely avoid a Queen Palm in
> close proximity to your pond. Roots will grow through the liner like it's
> not even there. Only solution is concrete (or some distance) between the
> palm and the liner.
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone
7A,
> > North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
> > yard. Thanks!
> >
> >
>
>

[Anne Lurie]

Plant Delights http://www.plantdelights.com/ lists a few Palmettos in the
online catalog.

However, as another res-ponder mentioned, the roots could be a problem,
unless you contained the tree -- which might take some doing.

I almost think that I saw a dwarf palmetto of some sort around here in the
Raleigh area, but I can't remember where. It must have survived the
winters, though, or there wouldn't be much to remember!

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


"Wayne" > wrote in message
. com...
> Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone 7A,
> North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
> yard. Thanks!
>
>

[Wayne]

"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
. com...
> Plant Delights http://www.plantdelights.com/ lists a few Palmettos in the
> online catalog.
>
> However, as another res-ponder mentioned, the roots could be a problem,
> unless you contained the tree -- which might take some doing.
>
> I almost think that I saw a dwarf palmetto of some sort around here in the
> Raleigh area, but I can't remember where. It must have survived the
> winters, though, or there wouldn't be much to remember!
>
> Anne Lurie
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone
7A,
> > North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my back
> > yard. Thanks!

I have a pre-formed, 220 gallon, so I'm not sure if the roots would
penetrate it. However, I'm probably going to do, like many of you have
probably done, add another pond section. I will probably use my pre-form as
a pre-filter for the bigger pond that will be with a liner. I don't want to
plant a bad feature for my potential future pond. I have even thought of
outlining a potential palm tree with concrete, sunk 18-24 inches in the
ground around it. Any thoughts on this idea?

[Wayne]

"Wayne" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Plant Delights http://www.plantdelights.com/ lists a few Palmettos in
the
> > online catalog.
> >
> > However, as another res-ponder mentioned, the roots could be a problem,
> > unless you contained the tree -- which might take some doing.
> >
> > I almost think that I saw a dwarf palmetto of some sort around here in
the
> > Raleigh area, but I can't remember where. It must have survived the
> > winters, though, or there wouldn't be much to remember!
> >
> > Anne Lurie
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> >
> > "Wayne" > wrote in message
> > . com...
> > > Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters in Zone
> 7A,
> > > North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond in my
back
> > > yard. Thanks!
>
> I have a pre-formed, 220 gallon, so I'm not sure if the roots would
> penetrate it. However, I'm probably going to do, like many of you have
> probably done, add another pond section. I will probably use my pre-form
as
> a pre-filter for the bigger pond that will be with a liner. I don't want
to
> plant a bad feature for my potential future pond. I have even thought of
> outlining a potential palm tree with concrete, sunk 18-24 inches in the
> ground around it. Any thoughts on this idea?
>
>

I forgot to thank you, Anne! Thank you!

[how]

Hi,
Terry mentions the Windmill (Trachycarpus fortunei) which should do ok as
should the palmettos (Sabel palmetto, S.minor). Two other small cold hardy
true palms to try are the European fan palm (Chamaerops humilis) which may
need some protection and the Needle palm (Rhapidophyllm hystrix) which is
slow growing and can take very cold weather.
hth -_- how
"Terry" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi Wayne,
> THe palms that immediately come to mind are the Windmill Palm and the
> Dwarf Palmetto Palm.
> snip

[Wayne]

Thanks for replying. I have enough information now to start seriously
trying to locate a small palm or two. I'll post back with any results.

"how" > wrote in message
. ..
> Hi,
> Terry mentions the Windmill (Trachycarpus fortunei) which should do ok as
> should the palmettos (Sabel palmetto, S.minor). Two other small cold hardy
> true palms to try are the European fan palm (Chamaerops humilis) which may
> need some protection and the Needle palm (Rhapidophyllm hystrix) which is
> slow growing and can take very cold weather.
> hth -_- how
> "Terry" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hi Wayne,
> > THe palms that immediately come to mind are the Windmill Palm and the
> > Dwarf Palmetto Palm.
> > snip
>
>

[joe]

dicksonia antarctica isn't a palm, it's a tree fern (Tasmanian tree fern).
If you want something similar that grows faster try an Australian tree fern.
Note that these also have different light and water requirements than most
palms.

Joe On 2/23/04 6:57 PM, "Wayne" > wrote:


> I looked up the Dicksonia Antartica and I've never seen any of those. They
> should survive well, as witnessed by yours in Va. Thanks for sharing.



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[Wayne]

Thanks for your input...

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> dicksonia antarctica isn't a palm, it's a tree fern (Tasmanian tree fern).
> If you want something similar that grows faster try an Australian tree
fern.
> Note that these also have different light and water requirements than most
> palms.
>
> Joe On 2/23/04 6:57 PM, "Wayne" > wrote:
>
>
> > I looked up the Dicksonia Antartica and I've never seen any of those.
They
> > should survive well, as witnessed by yours in Va. Thanks for sharing.
>
>
>
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[Anne Lurie]

Wayne,

I'm not sure where in NC you are, but I saw an ad in the 2/28/04 Raleigh
"News & Observer" for Cooper-Payne Tree Farms in Hillsborough
www.cooper-paynetreefarms.com 919-801-0211.

The ad says they have 6-25 foot hardy palms including Windmills, Pindos,
European Fans, Needles, etc.

Also, if you are in the Triangle area, they will be at the Home/Garden Show
at the Raleigh Convention Center March 5-7th.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


"Wayne" > wrote in message
. com...
> Thanks for replying. I have enough information now to start seriously
> trying to locate a small palm or two. I'll post back with any results.
>
> "how" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Hi,
> > Terry mentions the Windmill (Trachycarpus fortunei) which should do ok
as
> > should the palmettos (Sabel palmetto, S.minor). Two other small cold
hardy
> > true palms to try are the European fan palm (Chamaerops humilis) which
may
> > need some protection and the Needle palm (Rhapidophyllm hystrix) which
is
> > slow growing and can take very cold weather.
> > hth -_- how
> > "Terry" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Hi Wayne,
> > > THe palms that immediately come to mind are the Windmill Palm and the
> > > Dwarf Palmetto Palm.
> > > snip
> >
> >
>
>

[Hank]

Wayne, I had a Spanish Dagger (Yucca Gloriosa) that looked very much
like small palm tree. It survived several New Jersey winters. (It did
not survive my backing my trailer over it in a snow storm) A small
tree like this may give you the oasis look you seem to want. I have
seen them available in both home and garden centers sold as potted
plants. Hank


"Wayne" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> . com...
> >
> > "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> > . com...
> > > Plant Delights http://www.plantdelights.com/ lists a few
Palmettos in
> the
> > > online catalog.
> > >
> > > However, as another res-ponder mentioned, the roots could be a
problem,
> > > unless you contained the tree -- which might take some doing.
> > >
> > > I almost think that I saw a dwarf palmetto of some sort around
here in
> the
> > > Raleigh area, but I can't remember where. It must have survived
the
> > > winters, though, or there wouldn't be much to remember!
> > >
> > > Anne Lurie
> > > Raleigh, NC
> > >
> > >
> > > "Wayne" > wrote in message
> > > . com...
> > > > Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters
in Zone
> > 7A,
> > > > North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond
in my
> back
> > > > yard. Thanks!
> >
> > I have a pre-formed, 220 gallon, so I'm not sure if the roots
would
> > penetrate it. However, I'm probably going to do, like many of you
have
> > probably done, add another pond section. I will probably use my
pre-form
> as
> > a pre-filter for the bigger pond that will be with a liner. I
don't want
> to
> > plant a bad feature for my potential future pond. I have even
thought of
> > outlining a potential palm tree with concrete, sunk 18-24 inches
in the
> > ground around it. Any thoughts on this idea?
> >
> >
>
> I forgot to thank you, Anne! Thank you!
>
>

[Wayne]

Anne, I'm in the Charlotte metro area so we're not too far apart. My
daughter graduated from UNC - Chapel Hill so I am familiar with the general
Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill area. So many of you have come forward with
such great replies and I really do appreciate it. Thanks for pointing me in
a direction that I can check out within a short driving distance. Happy
ponding and I hope that you guys didn't get too much snow. We got 15 - 18
reported inches here and I measured 17 inches at my place on the patio.
Thanks again.

"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
. com...
> Wayne,
>
> I'm not sure where in NC you are, but I saw an ad in the 2/28/04 Raleigh
> "News & Observer" for Cooper-Payne Tree Farms in Hillsborough
> www.cooper-paynetreefarms.com 919-801-0211.
>
> The ad says they have 6-25 foot hardy palms including Windmills, Pindos,
> European Fans, Needles, etc.
>
> Also, if you are in the Triangle area, they will be at the Home/Garden
Show
> at the Raleigh Convention Center March 5-7th.
>
> Anne Lurie
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Thanks for replying. I have enough information now to start seriously
> > trying to locate a small palm or two. I'll post back with any results.
> >
> > "how" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Hi,
> > > Terry mentions the Windmill (Trachycarpus fortunei) which should do ok
> as
> > > should the palmettos (Sabel palmetto, S.minor). Two other small cold
> hardy
> > > true palms to try are the European fan palm (Chamaerops humilis) which
> may
> > > need some protection and the Needle palm (Rhapidophyllm hystrix) which
> is
> > > slow growing and can take very cold weather.
> > > hth -_- how
> > > "Terry" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > > Hi Wayne,
> > > > THe palms that immediately come to mind are the Windmill Palm and
the
> > > > Dwarf Palmetto Palm.
> > > > snip
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Wayne]

Hank, the palm that you mention below sounds to be about the right size and
durability for my location. Thanks for your input and I will post back to
the group with what I finally decide on.

"Hank" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne, I had a Spanish Dagger (Yucca Gloriosa) that looked very much
> like small palm tree. It survived several New Jersey winters. (It did
> not survive my backing my trailer over it in a snow storm) A small
> tree like this may give you the oasis look you seem to want. I have
> seen them available in both home and garden centers sold as potted
> plants. Hank
>
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> . com...
> >
> > "Wayne" > wrote in message
> > . com...
> > >
> > > "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> > > . com...
> > > > Plant Delights http://www.plantdelights.com/ lists a few
> Palmettos in
> > the
> > > > online catalog.
> > > >
> > > > However, as another res-ponder mentioned, the roots could be a
> problem,
> > > > unless you contained the tree -- which might take some doing.
> > > >
> > > > I almost think that I saw a dwarf palmetto of some sort around
> here in
> > the
> > > > Raleigh area, but I can't remember where. It must have survived
> the
> > > > winters, though, or there wouldn't be much to remember!
> > > >
> > > > Anne Lurie
> > > > Raleigh, NC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Wayne" > wrote in message
> > > > . com...
> > > > > Does anyone know of a palm tree that will survive the winters
> in Zone
> > > 7A,
> > > > > North Carolina. I'd like to plant one or two next to my pond
> in my
> > back
> > > > > yard. Thanks!
> > >
> > > I have a pre-formed, 220 gallon, so I'm not sure if the roots
> would
> > > penetrate it. However, I'm probably going to do, like many of you
> have
> > > probably done, add another pond section. I will probably use my
> pre-form
> > as
> > > a pre-filter for the bigger pond that will be with a liner. I
> don't want
> > to
> > > plant a bad feature for my potential future pond. I have even
> thought of
> > > outlining a potential palm tree with concrete, sunk 18-24 inches
> in the
> > > ground around it. Any thoughts on this idea?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I forgot to thank you, Anne! Thank you!
> >
> >
>
>
>