Spring is coming...And of course not in a good way...

[BenignVanilla]

Went back to Shareholders Pond today. Two dead frogs, but fish are happy.
The minnow parade came up for food. One or more frogs scurried down into the
much. The water is already greening up a bit. I can't believe the algae are
already ready. As soon as the VF melts, I may get ready to fire up the old
pump.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
> Went back to Shareholders Pond today. Two dead frogs, but fish are happy.
> The minnow parade came up for food. One or more frogs scurried down into
the
> much. The water is already greening up a bit. I can't believe the algae
are
> already ready. As soon as the VF melts, I may get ready to fire up the old
> pump.
>
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com


Did I mention that part about the bad way? It appears my only out door
outlet is dead. *sigh* The pump keeping a hole in the ice is now not
running. Thank god for the warm weather. Looks like I will be trenching
sooner then I thought.


BV.

[jammer]

I welcome the algae 'cause it feeds tads:)






On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:08:11 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:

>Went back to Shareholders Pond today. Two dead frogs, but fish are
happy.
>The minnow parade came up for food. One or more frogs scurried down
into the
>much. The water is already greening up a bit. I can't believe the
algae are
>already ready. As soon as the VF melts, I may get ready to fire up
the old
>pump.
>
>BV.
>www.iheartmypond.com
>

[BenignVanilla]

"jammer" > wrote in message
...
> I welcome the algae 'cause it feeds tads:)
<snip>

I'm there withca...I am not 100% against algae. To me, algae in the pond
means life. We need to embrace our algae.

BV.

[Chris & Jacqui Tondreau]

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jammer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I welcome the algae 'cause it feeds tads:)
> <snip>
>
> I'm there withca...I am not 100% against algae. To me, algae in the pond
> means life. We need to embrace our algae.
>
> BV.
>

It is pretty amazing stuff. There's a building near me that has a leaky
drain pipe. The water running out of the drain has frozen to the side of
the building, but there's algae growing under the ice up against the bricks.
I guess what heat escapes the building is enough to keep it going right
under the ice.

Jacqui
>

[Offbreed]

BenignVanilla wrote:

> We need to embrace our algae.

Not a pretty image. (bleh)

[Anne Lurie]

BV, if your outdoor outlet has -- or is connected to -- a GFI, have you
tested it? We nearly drove ourselves crazy trying to figure out which
circuit breaker had flipped, only to discover that one of the kitchen GFI
outlets hadn't been reset correctly.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


> "BenignVanilla" > wrote

> It appears my only out door
> outlet is dead. *sigh* The pump keeping a hole in the ice is now not
> running. Thank god for the warm weather. Looks like I will be trenching
> sooner then I thought.
>
>

[BenignVanilla]

"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
. com...
> BV, if your outdoor outlet has -- or is connected to -- a GFI, have
you
> tested it? We nearly drove ourselves crazy trying to figure out which
> circuit breaker had flipped, only to discover that one of the kitchen GFI
> outlets hadn't been reset correctly.
<snip>

Well you know me I always preach safety and awareness. With that in mind, my
pond is currently fueled by a day glow extension cord that is 100' long. It
runs on the ground past my sliding glass door (danger one), across the deck
stairs (danger two), across the main walk way (danger three) and along the
neighbors fence behind the landscaping (not so dangerous). And there is no
GFI on this circuit.

OK, flame away...I deserve it.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[[email protected]]

or find out that the GFI for our indoor spa is underneath the spa and accessed by a
rug covered panel. the electrician found it for us. Ingrid

"Anne Lurie" > wrote:

>BV, if your outdoor outlet has -- or is connected to -- a GFI, have you
>tested it? We nearly drove ourselves crazy trying to figure out which
>circuit breaker had flipped, only to discover that one of the kitchen GFI
>outlets hadn't been reset correctly.
>
>Anne Lurie
>Raleigh, NC


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"BenignVanilla" > wrote:
>Well you know me I always preach safety and awareness. With that in mind, my
>pond is currently fueled by a day glow extension cord that is 100' long. It
>runs on the ground past my sliding glass door (danger one), across the deck
>stairs (danger two), across the main walk way (danger three) and along the
>neighbors fence behind the landscaping (not so dangerous). And there is no
>GFI on this circuit.
>
>OK, flame away...I deserve it.
>
>BV.
>www.iheartmypond.com
>



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[Ka30P]

BV wrote >> And there is no
GFI on this circuit.
OK, flame away...I deserve it.<<

BV, get thee to a Lowes or whatever
you have back there in the heathen east and
buy a gfi this weekend!!!


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Hal]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:37:53 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:

>Well you know me I always preach safety and awareness. With that in mind, my
>pond is currently fueled by a day glow extension cord that is 100' long. It
>runs on the ground past my sliding glass door (danger one), across the deck
>stairs (danger two), across the main walk way (danger three) and along the
>neighbors fence behind the landscaping (not so dangerous). And there is no
>GFI on this circuit.
>
>OK, flame away...I deserve it.

So long as it remains intact and undamaged it is safe.

Regards,

Hal

[BenignVanilla]

"Offbreed" > wrote in message
...
> BenignVanilla wrote:
>
> > We need to embrace our algae.
>
> Not a pretty image. (bleh)

It's not like I said french kiss your algae. Sheesh. :)

BV

[BenignVanilla]

> wrote in message
...
> you can buy a single plug GFI at the hardware store. as long as your
plugs are
> grounded. Ingrid
>
> "BenignVanilla" > wrote:
> >Well you know me I always preach safety and awareness. With that in mind,
my
> >pond is currently fueled by a day glow extension cord that is 100' long.
It
> >runs on the ground past my sliding glass door (danger one), across the
deck
> >stairs (danger two), across the main walk way (danger three) and along
the
> >neighbors fence behind the landscaping (not so dangerous). And there is
no
> >GFI on this circuit.

The reason for my lack of protection is careful balance of budget and
laziness. I intend to trench out to the pond this year and lay some conduit
to carry two circuits, some video cable, not sure what else, maybe a water
line.

BV.

[BenignVanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> BV wrote >> And there is no
> GFI on this circuit.
> OK, flame away...I deserve it.<<
>
> BV, get thee to a Lowes or whatever
> you have back there in the heathen east and
> buy a gfi this weekend!!!

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I'll do it soon. But my goal for this year is to
get the pond run by a trenched power line. I have a 'lectrical friend, that
will juice it up for me.

BV.

[BenignVanilla]

"Hal" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:37:53 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> > wrote:
>
> >Well you know me I always preach safety and awareness. With that in mind,
my
> >pond is currently fueled by a day glow extension cord that is 100' long.
It
> >runs on the ground past my sliding glass door (danger one), across the
deck
> >stairs (danger two), across the main walk way (danger three) and along
the
> >neighbors fence behind the landscaping (not so dangerous). And there is
no
> >GFI on this circuit.
> >
> >OK, flame away...I deserve it.
>
> So long as it remains intact and undamaged it is safe.

I have a 6 year old and a 3 year old. There is no such thing as safe in my
yard. :)

BV.

[Nedra]

BV, Ohhh - I've laughed myself silly over the way you express things!

Actually my place is a twin to yours. Only my extension cords
are forest green... so they are harder to see :O)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > BV, if your outdoor outlet has -- or is connected to -- a GFI, have
> you
> > tested it? We nearly drove ourselves crazy trying to figure out which
> > circuit breaker had flipped, only to discover that one of the kitchen
GFI
> > outlets hadn't been reset correctly.
> <snip>
>
> Well you know me I always preach safety and awareness. With that in mind,
my
> pond is currently fueled by a day glow extension cord that is 100' long.
It
> runs on the ground past my sliding glass door (danger one), across the
deck
> stairs (danger two), across the main walk way (danger three) and along the
> neighbors fence behind the landscaping (not so dangerous). And there is no
> GFI on this circuit.
>
> OK, flame away...I deserve it.
>
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>

[John Hines]

"Nedra" > wrote:

>BV, Ohhh - I've laughed myself silly over the way you express things!
>
>Actually my place is a twin to yours. Only my extension cords
>are forest green... so they are harder to see :O)

Change "harder to see" to "even more dangerous", and your on your way to
BV speak.

[Nedra]

Consider it done, John!

Seriously though.... I will never be able to replicate BV's
twist of mind/thought/expresion. ;-)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"John Hines" > wrote in message
...
> "Nedra" > wrote:
>
> >BV, Ohhh - I've laughed myself silly over the way you express things!
> >
> >Actually my place is a twin to yours. Only my extension cords
> >are forest green... so they are harder to see :O)
>
> Change "harder to see" to "even more dangerous", and your on your way to
> BV speak.

[jammer]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:51:06 -0800, Offbreed
> wrote:

>BenignVanilla wrote:
>
>> We need to embrace our algae.
>
>Not a pretty image. (bleh)

I've been SLIMED!!!!

:)

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with two kids, just pay the 3 or 5 bucks and get a GFI that plugs into the socket.
Ingrid


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[Hal]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:46:41 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:

>> So long as it remains intact and undamaged it is safe.
>
>I have a 6 year old and a 3 year old. There is no such thing as safe in my
>yard. :)

The fun is just beginning!

Regards,

Hal

[BenignVanilla]

"Nedra" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> BV, Ohhh - I've laughed myself silly over the way you express things!
>
> Actually my place is a twin to yours. Only my extension cords
> are forest green... so they are harder to see :O)
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
<snip>

I am always glad to make someone smile. This year, I have promised the wife
to trench out there and bury the wire in a conduit. So what are the thoughts
of the group on that? I am thinking two circuits and a water line. What do
you think?

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Hal]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:28:04 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:

>I am always glad to make someone smile. This year, I have promised the wife
>to trench out there and bury the wire in a conduit. So what are the thoughts
>of the group on that? I am thinking two circuits and a water line. What do
>you think?

Pond pump, UV filter, underwater lights, christmas lights around the
gazebo and an air pump. I've still got a bit of room on one 20 amp
circuit, but I have another one close by. I hate to drag a hose. I
think you planned well.

Regards,

Hal

[BenignVanilla]

"Hal" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:28:04 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> > wrote:
>
> >I am always glad to make someone smile. This year, I have promised the
wife
> >to trench out there and bury the wire in a conduit. So what are the
thoughts
> >of the group on that? I am thinking two circuits and a water line. What
do
> >you think?
>
> Pond pump, UV filter, underwater lights, christmas lights around the
> gazebo and an air pump. I've still got a bit of room on one 20 amp
> circuit, but I have another one close by. I hate to drag a hose. I
> think you planned well.

I wonder if it's safe to put the hose in the same conduit? Time to consult
electrician friend.

BV.

[Hal]

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:03:41 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:

>I wonder if it's safe to put the hose in the same conduit? Time to consult
>electrician friend.

May not be code, but I don't see any hazard with pvc water pipe in
proximity of electrical wires that are safe to bury under the ground.
Even if water gets into the end of the conduit it won't matter unless
it gets into the boxes where it can short out wires. I think I would
be more concerned about mice getting into the conduit, than the water
pipe near the electrical cables.

Regards,

Hal

[AZKalEl]

Your PVC idea will work, that's what I did. I ran my electrical cords
through it and buried it about 8 inches underground. Then I used some
elbows so where it comes out of the ground it is in the shape of an
upside down "J". That way no water can get into it. Of course I am
in Arizona so there is more water in my pond then the entire state
anyway. =)

[marmarle]

Must be a VERY big pond. What end of the state? We are thinking of adding a
yard pond. We have two small (150gal) ones, on enclosed porch, but wonder
if water would evaporate too fast if we left for more than 3 weeks in the
summer. Haven't thought out the adding water thing, since cold tap water
here is warm in summer. Or would that be a good thing? The "J" pipe setup
sounds good. How deep did you dig for the pond? J&KinAZ
AZKalEl wrote in message ...
>Your PVC idea will work, that's what I did. I ran my electrical cords
>through it and buried it about 8 inches underground. Then I used some
>elbows so where it comes out of the ground it is in the shape of an
>upside down "J". That way no water can get into it. Of course I am
>in Arizona so there is more water in my pond then the entire state
>anyway. =)




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[AZKalEl]

"marmarle" > wrote in message >...
> Must be a VERY big pond. What end of the state? We are thinking of adding a
> yard pond. We have two small (150gal) ones, on enclosed porch, but wonder
> if water would evaporate too fast if we left for more than 3 weeks in the
> summer. Haven't thought out the adding water thing, since cold tap water
> here is warm in summer. Or would that be a good thing? The "J" pipe setup
> sounds good. How deep did you dig for the pond? J&KinAZ
>

>Well maybe it isn't THAT big. =)
It's about 8 x 10, averages about 2-2 1/2 feet deep, and has some
plant shelves. I had a hard time the first year or two, as it's a new
house, with no trees in the backyard, and full Arizona sun. Now the
Umbrella Palms and cattails have grown pretty thick on the East and
West sides of the pond, and the north side backs up against our block
wall fence. I have some desert spoon growing up there, which provide
additional shade especially when they send up their long flower
spikes. I keep a small waterfall going, and as of last year (the
pond's 3rd) the plants are well established and the entire top was
covered with lily pads. That was hard at first as the sun kept baking
them. Until the plants got going we fought green water a bit because
of the sun's intensity. Last year it was crystal, and I attribute it
to the massive plant growth and the small sterilizer I added. As a
matter of fact, my first lily pad of the year just popped up last
Friday, so I think we'll have a bumper crop again!
Water from the tap in the summer is kind of warm, but once the hose
runs a minute it's actually cool. Pond temp will get above 80 though,
but the fish don't seem to care. The koi are growing like weeds, as
is the "mystery" comet that showed up in the first year. I think a
neighbor popped him over the fence.
Water will need to be filled though, I can't let it go longer then
about 5 days in summer without a top off. In winter I hardly mess
with it.
Oh yeah in east Mesa, to answer your question. Where are you?
>
>
>

[marmarle]

We are down in Tucson. 8 X 10 is good size in AZ ! We tell people their
ponds would be considered lakes if they were out here. We found rock
everywhere we tried to dig, so we are thinking of putting pond above ground,
but having a block wall out 2 feet and fill dirt in between, to keep some of
the heat from over cooking it in summer. It would help keep it stable in the
winter. Fantails didn't do well even on the porch due to the 70 days and 40
nights in winter. Most people don't think there is a change of 30 degrees
everyday. That is part of the AZ problem, as you know. I gave up and have
big tanks in the house for the fantails, and only goldfish on the porch.
J&KinAZ
AZKalEl wrote in message ...
>"marmarle" > wrote in message
>...
>> Must be a VERY big pond. What end of the state? We are thinking of
adding a
>> yard pond. We have two small (150gal) ones, on enclosed porch, but
wonder
>> if water would evaporate too fast if we left for more than 3 weeks in the
>> summer. Haven't thought out the adding water thing, since cold tap water
>> here is warm in summer. Or would that be a good thing? The "J" pipe setup
>> sounds good. How deep did you dig for the pond? J&KinAZ
>>
>
>>Well maybe it isn't THAT big. =)
>It's about 8 x 10, averages about 2-2 1/2 feet deep, and has some
>plant shelves. I had a hard time the first year or two, as it's a new
>house, with no trees in the backyard, and full Arizona sun. Now the
>Umbrella Palms and cattails have grown pretty thick on the East and
>West sides of the pond, and the north side backs up against our block
>wall fence. I have some desert spoon growing up there, which provide
>additional shade especially when they send up their long flower
>spikes. I keep a small waterfall going, and as of last year (the
>pond's 3rd) the plants are well established and the entire top was
>covered with lily pads. That was hard at first as the sun kept baking
>them. Until the plants got going we fought green water a bit because
>of the sun's intensity. Last year it was crystal, and I attribute it
>to the massive plant growth and the small sterilizer I added. As a
>matter of fact, my first lily pad of the year just popped up last
>Friday, so I think we'll have a bumper crop again!
>Water from the tap in the summer is kind of warm, but once the hose
>runs a minute it's actually cool. Pond temp will get above 80 though,
>but the fish don't seem to care. The koi are growing like weeds, as
>is the "mystery" comet that showed up in the first year. I think a
>neighbor popped him over the fence.
>Water will need to be filled though, I can't let it go longer then
>about 5 days in summer without a top off. In winter I hardly mess
>with it.
>Oh yeah in east Mesa, to answer your question. Where are you?
>>
>>
>>




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[marmarle]

We are down in Tucson. 8 X 10 is good size in AZ ! We tell people their
ponds would be considered lakes if they were out here. We found rock
everywhere we tried to dig, so we are thinking of putting pond above ground,
but having a block wall out 2 feet and fill dirt in between, to keep some of
the heat from over cooking it in summer. It would help keep it stable in the
winter. Fantails didn't do well even on the porch due to the 70 days and 40
nights in winter. Most people don't think there is a change of 30 degrees
everyday. That is part of the AZ problem, as you know. I gave up and have
big tanks in the house for the fantails, and only goldfish on the porch.
J&KinAZ
AZKalEl wrote in message ...
>"marmarle" > wrote in message
>...
>> Must be a VERY big pond. What end of the state? We are thinking of
adding a
>> yard pond. We have two small (150gal) ones, on enclosed porch, but
wonder
>> if water would evaporate too fast if we left for more than 3 weeks in the
>> summer. Haven't thought out the adding water thing, since cold tap water
>> here is warm in summer. Or would that be a good thing? The "J" pipe setup
>> sounds good. How deep did you dig for the pond? J&KinAZ
>>
>
>>Well maybe it isn't THAT big. =)
>It's about 8 x 10, averages about 2-2 1/2 feet deep, and has some
>plant shelves. I had a hard time the first year or two, as it's a new
>house, with no trees in the backyard, and full Arizona sun. Now the
>Umbrella Palms and cattails have grown pretty thick on the East and
>West sides of the pond, and the north side backs up against our block
>wall fence. I have some desert spoon growing up there, which provide
>additional shade especially when they send up their long flower
>spikes. I keep a small waterfall going, and as of last year (the
>pond's 3rd) the plants are well established and the entire top was
>covered with lily pads. That was hard at first as the sun kept baking
>them. Until the plants got going we fought green water a bit because
>of the sun's intensity. Last year it was crystal, and I attribute it
>to the massive plant growth and the small sterilizer I added. As a
>matter of fact, my first lily pad of the year just popped up last
>Friday, so I think we'll have a bumper crop again!
>Water from the tap in the summer is kind of warm, but once the hose
>runs a minute it's actually cool. Pond temp will get above 80 though,
>but the fish don't seem to care. The koi are growing like weeds, as
>is the "mystery" comet that showed up in the first year. I think a
>neighbor popped him over the fence.
>Water will need to be filled though, I can't let it go longer then
>about 5 days in summer without a top off. In winter I hardly mess
>with it.
>Oh yeah in east Mesa, to answer your question. Where are you?
>>
>>
>>




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[Lee B.]

Ahhh, the caliche (kaliche?) . . . I remember it well! Something left over
from the area's Salton Sea days. Dynamite works well <G>

A block wall with dirt between it and the pond walls may work nicely.
Remember how well adobe works? Also, erect something for shade, too - even
if it's just one of those "sails" - to keep the sun from shining on it
directly.

Lee

"marmarle" > wrote in message
...
> We are down in Tucson. 8 X 10 is good size in AZ ! We tell people their
> ponds would be considered lakes if they were out here. We found rock
> everywhere we tried to dig, so we are thinking of putting pond above
ground,
> but having a block wall out 2 feet and fill dirt in between, to keep some
of
> the heat from over cooking it in summer. It would help keep it stable in
the
> winter. Fantails didn't do well even on the porch due to the 70 days and
40
> nights in winter. Most people don't think there is a change of 30 degrees
> everyday. That is part of the AZ problem, as you know. I gave up and have
> big tanks in the house for the fantails, and only goldfish on the porch.
> J&KinAZ
> AZKalEl wrote in message ...
> >"marmarle" > wrote in message
> >...
> >> Must be a VERY big pond. What end of the state? We are thinking of
> adding a
> >> yard pond. We have two small (150gal) ones, on enclosed porch, but
> wonder
> >> if water would evaporate too fast if we left for more than 3 weeks in
the
> >> summer. Haven't thought out the adding water thing, since cold tap
water
> >> here is warm in summer. Or would that be a good thing? The "J" pipe
setup
> >> sounds good. How deep did you dig for the pond? J&KinAZ
> >>
> >
> >>Well maybe it isn't THAT big. =)
> >It's about 8 x 10, averages about 2-2 1/2 feet deep, and has some
> >plant shelves. I had a hard time the first year or two, as it's a new
> >house, with no trees in the backyard, and full Arizona sun. Now the
> >Umbrella Palms and cattails have grown pretty thick on the East and
> >West sides of the pond, and the north side backs up against our block
> >wall fence. I have some desert spoon growing up there, which provide
> >additional shade especially when they send up their long flower
> >spikes. I keep a small waterfall going, and as of last year (the
> >pond's 3rd) the plants are well established and the entire top was
> >covered with lily pads. That was hard at first as the sun kept baking
> >them. Until the plants got going we fought green water a bit because
> >of the sun's intensity. Last year it was crystal, and I attribute it
> >to the massive plant growth and the small sterilizer I added. As a
> >matter of fact, my first lily pad of the year just popped up last
> >Friday, so I think we'll have a bumper crop again!
> >Water from the tap in the summer is kind of warm, but once the hose
> >runs a minute it's actually cool. Pond temp will get above 80 though,
> >but the fish don't seem to care. The koi are growing like weeds, as
> >is the "mystery" comet that showed up in the first year. I think a
> >neighbor popped him over the fence.
> >Water will need to be filled though, I can't let it go longer then
> >about 5 days in summer without a top off. In winter I hardly mess
> >with it.
> >Oh yeah in east Mesa, to answer your question. Where are you?
> >>
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[Lee B.]

Ahhh, the caliche (kaliche?) . . . I remember it well! Something left over
from the area's Salton Sea days. Dynamite works well <G>

A block wall with dirt between it and the pond walls may work nicely.
Remember how well adobe works? Also, erect something for shade, too - even
if it's just one of those "sails" - to keep the sun from shining on it
directly.

Lee

"marmarle" > wrote in message
...
> We are down in Tucson. 8 X 10 is good size in AZ ! We tell people their
> ponds would be considered lakes if they were out here. We found rock
> everywhere we tried to dig, so we are thinking of putting pond above
ground,
> but having a block wall out 2 feet and fill dirt in between, to keep some
of
> the heat from over cooking it in summer. It would help keep it stable in
the
> winter. Fantails didn't do well even on the porch due to the 70 days and
40
> nights in winter. Most people don't think there is a change of 30 degrees
> everyday. That is part of the AZ problem, as you know. I gave up and have
> big tanks in the house for the fantails, and only goldfish on the porch.
> J&KinAZ
> AZKalEl wrote in message ...
> >"marmarle" > wrote in message
> >...
> >> Must be a VERY big pond. What end of the state? We are thinking of
> adding a
> >> yard pond. We have two small (150gal) ones, on enclosed porch, but
> wonder
> >> if water would evaporate too fast if we left for more than 3 weeks in
the
> >> summer. Haven't thought out the adding water thing, since cold tap
water
> >> here is warm in summer. Or would that be a good thing? The "J" pipe
setup
> >> sounds good. How deep did you dig for the pond? J&KinAZ
> >>
> >
> >>Well maybe it isn't THAT big. =)
> >It's about 8 x 10, averages about 2-2 1/2 feet deep, and has some
> >plant shelves. I had a hard time the first year or two, as it's a new
> >house, with no trees in the backyard, and full Arizona sun. Now the
> >Umbrella Palms and cattails have grown pretty thick on the East and
> >West sides of the pond, and the north side backs up against our block
> >wall fence. I have some desert spoon growing up there, which provide
> >additional shade especially when they send up their long flower
> >spikes. I keep a small waterfall going, and as of last year (the
> >pond's 3rd) the plants are well established and the entire top was
> >covered with lily pads. That was hard at first as the sun kept baking
> >them. Until the plants got going we fought green water a bit because
> >of the sun's intensity. Last year it was crystal, and I attribute it
> >to the massive plant growth and the small sterilizer I added. As a
> >matter of fact, my first lily pad of the year just popped up last
> >Friday, so I think we'll have a bumper crop again!
> >Water from the tap in the summer is kind of warm, but once the hose
> >runs a minute it's actually cool. Pond temp will get above 80 though,
> >but the fish don't seem to care. The koi are growing like weeds, as
> >is the "mystery" comet that showed up in the first year. I think a
> >neighbor popped him over the fence.
> >Water will need to be filled though, I can't let it go longer then
> >about 5 days in summer without a top off. In winter I hardly mess
> >with it.
> >Oh yeah in east Mesa, to answer your question. Where are you?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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