Bog Garden: Episode II

[BenignVanilla]

I saw Richard's post on the bog garden, and so am now inspired. Oh great,
thanks Richard...My kitchen is 3/4 done, my master bath is gutted, the
playroom is framed by not wired or sheetrocked, and my stream is leaking
water. So what am I going to do? Start another damn pond project.

OK, so my question is...I currently have a pond with a bottom drain that
feeds a VF. I'd like to build a bog garden for the fun and the look, but
would also like it to have a purpose, and do some filtration.

I have no idea how to plumb it? How do I get pond water to it, and then back
to the pond on a slow cycle?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Ka30P]

BV,
With bog number one I ran a long, flexible black tube along the back of it. The
tube was drilled with holes every couple of inches. The bog was full of large
rocks and it sits at the edge of the pond.
It worked great for a while, then the plants went crazy and filled it in and
they would not come out! So the thing backed up and started leaking over the
edge.

I disconnected the hose. The thing is completely filled in with this wonderful
edgewater grass I brought back as seeds from a pond in Idaho. Six feet tall.
Now the stuff is spreading out over the pond and sending shoots up from the
surface.
It will be a battle this spring but we are going to try and get it under
control.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[BenignVanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> BV,
> With bog number one I ran a long, flexible black tube along the back of
it. The
> tube was drilled with holes every couple of inches. The bog was full of
large
> rocks and it sits at the edge of the pond.
> It worked great for a while, then the plants went crazy and filled it in
and
> they would not come out! So the thing backed up and started leaking over
the
> edge.
>
> I disconnected the hose. The thing is completely filled in with this
wonderful
> edgewater grass I brought back as seeds from a pond in Idaho. Six feet
tall.
> Now the stuff is spreading out over the pond and sending shoots up from
the
> surface.
> It will be a battle this spring but we are going to try and get it under
> control.

So do you circulate pond water into it? How much? How fast? Is the bog above
the pond and does it drain back via gravity?

BV.

[Hal]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:18:28 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:

>I have no idea how to plumb it? How do I get pond water to it, and then back
>to the pond on a slow cycle?

Use two different water levels and pump from the lower to the higher
water level and make a spillway or overflow pipe for water to gravity
flow back to the lower water level. You can determine the amount of
water movement by the pump size.

Actually that will work with one water level if the two ponds are
connected by a return pipe that stays full of water.

Regards,

Hal

[Ka30P]

BV wrote
>>So do you circulate pond water into it?
We did.
>> How much? How fast?
There was a split in the pipe that led to the waterfall. We attached a black
flexible tube to it. Whatever went into that tube was the volume and the speed.
I think it would all be a function of how many holes you drilled in the tube,
if you capped the end or not. Which I can't remember if we did or not. Too much
water and too fast and you'd flood out the back for sure.

>>Is the bog above
the pond and does it drain back via gravity?
It is at the edge of the pond and just a wee bit above it.
Gravity took care of getting the water back.

Any more technical than that I'll have to turn you over to DH. ;-)


kathy :-)
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[Phyllis and Jim Hurley]

Someone talk to us about mosquitos and bogs.

Jim

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"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
> I saw Richard's post on the bog garden, and so am now inspired. Oh great,
> thanks Richard...My kitchen is 3/4 done, my master bath is gutted, the
> playroom is framed by not wired or sheetrocked, and my stream is leaking
> water. So what am I going to do? Start another damn pond project.
>
> OK, so my question is...I currently have a pond with a bottom drain that
> feeds a VF. I'd like to build a bog garden for the fun and the look, but
> would also like it to have a purpose, and do some filtration.
>
> I have no idea how to plumb it? How do I get pond water to it, and then
back
> to the pond on a slow cycle?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Ka30P]

Jim wrote >>Someone talk to us about mosquitos and bogs.<<

And cabbages and kings... ;-)

If a bog has standing water in it, all the time or
part of the time, the ponder (bogger?) should use one of the mosquito dunk
products.
For my bog I use the mosquito dunk product that comes in grandular form, ground
up pieces, like ground beef in size. I toss it around the bog so it will get
into all parts, especially those areas that might be isolated from the rest of
the bog due to rocks or plants.
Here is a technical writeup of the stuff
>>Mosquito Dunks
Target Pests: Mosquitoes, black fly larvae
*Place Mosquito Dunks in ponds or standing water and it's active ingredient,
Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israaelenses called BTI kills mosquito and
black fly larvae for 30 days or more. While floating they slowly release a long
term biological mosquito larvacide killing the larvae before they hatch into
adults. Will not effect fish, plants, people or wildlife. Alternative wetting
and drying will not reduce it's effectiveness. Use one dunk per 100 sqft of
water surface.
6 Dunks per pack $8.25<<

kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Andy Hill]

"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote:
>Someone talk to us about mosquitos and bogs.
>
Wouldn't a BT floater in the main pond also control skeeters in the bog?

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Not to split hairs here, but a true bog shouldn't be used to filter a pond.
A true bog is highly acidic and full of anaerobic bacteria, with little to
no water movement. Anything other than this is still a veggie filter, imo.

K30, I think you need to invite BV over to help clean up your over run bog
area. I don't think he got the point of how hard this is going to be to get
under control and just saw how easy it was for you to creat it. ;o) ~ jan


>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:18:28 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote:

>I saw Richard's post on the bog garden, and so am now inspired. Oh great,
>thanks Richard...My kitchen is 3/4 done, my master bath is gutted, the
>playroom is framed by not wired or sheetrocked, and my stream is leaking
>water. So what am I going to do? Start another damn pond project.
>
>OK, so my question is...I currently have a pond with a bottom drain that
>feeds a VF. I'd like to build a bog garden for the fun and the look, but
>would also like it to have a purpose, and do some filtration.
>
>I have no idea how to plumb it? How do I get pond water to it, and then back
>to the pond on a slow cycle?

[Ka30P]

jj wrote >>how hard this is going to be to get
under control<<

There is no such thing as control, only staying
one step ahead of disaster!


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Bonnie]

Ka30P wrote:
> jj wrote >>how hard this is going to be to get
> under control<<
>
> There is no such thing as control, only staying
> one step ahead of disaster!
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

Hey, that's control in my book.

--
Bonnie
NJ

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Ka30P wrote:
>> jj wrote >>how hard this is going to be to get
>> under control<<
>>
>> There is no such thing as control, only staying
>> one step ahead of disaster!
>
>Hey, that's control in my book. Bonnie

Ain't that the truth. Did a water change on the koi ponds today (time to
get the salt out before the plants start waking up) and caused a disaster.
Killed my small winter pump, as the auto shut off just slid down the pipe
as the water lowered and the pump in the filter kept pumping with no water
coming in. What should have been a 10 minute job (not counting the time to
pump down and refill) ended up being an hour. Had to pull out dead pump,
find & connect live pump, fittings were not interchangeable, of course.....
<s> ~ jan

~ jan

[Hal]

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:42:54 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>What should have been a 10 minute job (not counting the time to
>pump down and refill) ended up being an hour. Had to pull out dead pump,
>find & connect live pump, fittings were not interchangeable, of course.....
><s> ~ jan

Having fun already! I can't wait to get started!

[john]

BV when my pond is full the water in the koi pond and the veggie bog are
level, when i start pumpin 7200 gall an hour into the bog in drops the
pond about an inch,,,, so from pond to bog to pond ad infinitum

John R

Ka30P wrote:
> BV wrotew
>
>>>So do you circulate pond water into it?
>>
> We did.
>
>>>How much? How fast?
>>
> There was a split in the pipe that led to the waterfall. We attached a black
> flexible tube to it. Whatever went into that tube was the volume and the speed.
> I think it would all be a function of how many holes you drilled in the tube,
> if you capped the end or not. Which I can't remember if we did or not. Too much
> water and too fast and you'd flood out the back for sure.
>
>
>>>Is the bog above
>>
> the pond and does it drain back via gravity?
> It is at the edge of the pond and just a wee bit above it.
> Gravity took care of getting the water back.
>
> Any more technical than that I'll have to turn you over to DH. ;-)
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[john]

Bonnie wrote:
> Ka30P wrote:
>
>> jj wrote >>how hard this is going to be to get
>> under control<<
>>
>> There is no such thing as control, only staying
>> one step ahead of disaster!
>>
>>
>> kathy :-)
>> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>
>
>
> Hey, that's control in my book.
>

back a 4wd pickup into the bog chain onto the plants and start pulling
worked for me

John Rutz

[BenignVanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> Not to split hairs here, but a true bog shouldn't be used to filter a
pond.
> A true bog is highly acidic and full of anaerobic bacteria, with little to
> no water movement. Anything other than this is still a veggie filter, imo.
>
> K30, I think you need to invite BV over to help clean up your over run bog
> area. I don't think he got the point of how hard this is going to be to
get
> under control and just saw how easy it was for you to creat it. ;o) ~ jan
<snip>

OK, I am convinced...I think the bog will become a seperate project...a new
"pond" so to speak.

BV.
www.iheartmpond.com