Mike Patterson "Fire on the Water"

[chagoi]

Mike Patterson

Just wandering, hows the "burning water" experiment coming?

We've been having some warmer weather up here in Pennsylvania. So I 've
had some time to start cleaning up outside and working on the new pond.
The grounds still too wet and frozen to start digging, so I decided to
work on the campfire. It will be about 2 1/2- 3 feet from the edge of
the pond, with the waterfall for a backdrop.
I took some pictures of the flames, they can be seen at:

http://ourkoipond.com/pond-campfire.htm

or the "Campfire Experiment" button on my home page.

My experiment with the "fire on the water" is still on hold , as there
is still an iceberg on the 500 gallon Temp. pond. It froze solid since
it is totally above ground. Meanwhile the koi have been vacationing in
the Tomb, in my basement. By the time it thaws, I hope to have the
prototype burner finished.


Chagoi
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[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:12:04 -0500
chagoi > wrote:

> Chagoi
> http://ourkoipond.com
>
>
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eXtensive Probing.

And I think I might try a propane bubbler this spring, myself.
Question, if pre-mixed with air and lighted above the surface, would I
be able to have a flame /underwater?/

Cybe R. Wizard -picturing /that/
--
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Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Mike Patterson]

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:12:04 -0500, chagoi
> wrote:

>Mike Patterson
>
>Just wandering, hows the "burning water" experiment coming?
>
>We've been having some warmer weather up here in Pennsylvania. So I 've
>had some time to start cleaning up outside and working on the new pond.
>The grounds still too wet and frozen to start digging, so I decided to
>work on the campfire. It will be about 2 1/2- 3 feet from the edge of
>the pond, with the waterfall for a backdrop.
>I took some pictures of the flames, they can be seen at:
>
>http://ourkoipond.com/pond-campfire.htm
>
>or the "Campfire Experiment" button on my home page.
>
>My experiment with the "fire on the water" is still on hold , as there
>is still an iceberg on the 500 gallon Temp. pond. It froze solid since
>it is totally above ground. Meanwhile the koi have been vacationing in
>the Tomb, in my basement. By the time it thaws, I hope to have the
>prototype burner finished.
>
>
>Chagoi
>http://ourkoipond.com
>
>
>-- Microsoft XP ---> "X"tra "P"atches, "X"tra "P"roblems,
> "X"tra "P"rofit, "X"tra "P"ain, "X"tra "P"anic,
> "X"tra "P"athetic, "Xtra "P"ernicious
> --- take your "P"ick
>

Still on hold, been working my butt off bringing up a new network.

Was planning to experiment today, but last night things went wrong, so
to the office I go...

I'm planning to use a propane tank & regulator from a gas grill to
start with, have them on hand, so I'm ready to try it if I can just
find the time.

My new pond is still fish-free, though frogs & algae are plentiful.
Haven't yet decided what to put in there, as my first choice (Tilapia)
turned out to require a permit (according to my local Cooperative
Extension Service agent).

Your pond campfire looks good, like a nice place to pull up a chair
and stare at the coals for a while.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Hal]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:18:01 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:

>eXtensive Probing.
>
>And I think I might try a propane bubbler this spring, myself.
>Question, if pre-mixed with air and lighted above the surface, would I
>be able to have a flame /underwater?/
>
>Cybe R. Wizard -picturing /that/

You'll need oxygen. Look around for a propane cutting torch. It
mixes oxygen and propane to make a flame for cutting steel in a
junkyard. It will probably make a flame underwater.

Regards,

Hal

[Offbreed]

Hal wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:18:01 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:
>
>
>>eXtensive Probing.
>>
>>And I think I might try a propane bubbler this spring, myself.
>>Question, if pre-mixed with air and lighted above the surface, would I
>>be able to have a flame /underwater?/
>>
>>Cybe R. Wizard -picturing /that/
>
>
> You'll need oxygen. Look around for a propane cutting torch. It
> mixes oxygen and propane to make a flame for cutting steel in a
> junkyard. It will probably make a flame underwater.

(Am I the only one observing this with .. uhm ... *interest*?)

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:37:58 -0500
Hal > wrote:

> would I
> >be able to have a flame /underwater?/
> >
> >Cybe R. Wizard -picturing /that/
>
> You'll need oxygen. Look around for a propane cutting torch. It
> mixes oxygen and propane to make a flame for cutting steel in a
> junkyard. It will probably make a flame underwater.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hal

Here's why I love this group! I /have/ cutting torch hardware on hand,
just didn't think of it! Now to get some bottles of gas...

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Today I presented The Wacky World of Water Gardening at our local MG's
Spring Garden Day, the Keynote speaker from the Wetside of WA showed a
slide of a wonderful pond. Her talk was mainly about structures, so while
this slide was up, she said, "This is a wonderful pond and the owner just
loves to have new people sit in this bench (the structure) right next to
the pond, at which time flames shoot up out of the water. Evidently the
owner is a special effects designer for movies/TV. So there's the experts
you need to talk with Mike. ;o) Obviously it can be done. ~ jan

>Still on hold, been working my butt off bringing up a new network.
>
>Was planning to experiment today, but last night things went wrong, so
>to the office I go...
>
>I'm planning to use a propane tank & regulator from a gas grill to
>start with, have them on hand, so I'm ready to try it if I can just
>find the time.
>
>My new pond is still fish-free, though frogs & algae are plentiful.
>Haven't yet decided what to put in there, as my first choice (Tilapia)
>turned out to require a permit (according to my local Cooperative
>Extension Service agent).
>
>Your pond campfire looks good, like a nice place to pull up a chair
>and stare at the coals for a while.
>
>Mike Patterson
>Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Mike Patterson]

COOL!
Did you get a name/number?

Is "Wetside of WA" the name of a business, a club, or ?

I hate reinventing the wheel, though I don't mind building it better.

Mike

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:40:32 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>Today I presented The Wacky World of Water Gardening at our local MG's
>Spring Garden Day, the Keynote speaker from the Wetside of WA showed a
>slide of a wonderful pond. Her talk was mainly about structures, so while
>this slide was up, she said, "This is a wonderful pond and the owner just
>loves to have new people sit in this bench (the structure) right next to
>the pond, at which time flames shoot up out of the water. Evidently the
>owner is a special effects designer for movies/TV. So there's the experts
>you need to talk with Mike. ;o) Obviously it can be done. ~ jan
>

Mike Patterson
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[Hank]

chagoi, I hope you can learn form you Lenape ancestors. DO NOT use
local shale around your campfire. The gases and moisture trapped
between the layers of rock expand and "Mak-um boom boom". It is very
dangerous.

--
some photos of my little puddle
http://community.webshots.com/user/hankpage1
"chagoi" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Patterson
>
> Just wandering, hows the "burning water" experiment coming?
>
> We've been having some warmer weather up here in Pennsylvania. So I
've
> had some time to start cleaning up outside and working on the new
pond.
> The grounds still too wet and frozen to start digging, so I decided
to
> work on the campfire. It will be about 2 1/2- 3 feet from the edge
of
> the pond, with the waterfall for a backdrop.
> I took some pictures of the flames, they can be seen at:
>
> http://ourkoipond.com/pond-campfire.htm
>
> or the "Campfire Experiment" button on my home page.
>
> My experiment with the "fire on the water" is still on hold , as
there
> is still an iceberg on the 500 gallon Temp. pond. It froze solid
since
> it is totally above ground. Meanwhile the koi have been vacationing
in
> the Tomb, in my basement. By the time it thaws, I hope to have the
> prototype burner finished.
>
>
> Chagoi
> http://ourkoipond.com
>
>
> -- Microsoft XP ---> "X"tra "P"atches, "X"tra "P"roblems,
> "X"tra "P"rofit, "X"tra "P"ain, "X"tra "P"anic,
> "X"tra "P"athetic, "Xtra "P"ernicious
> --- take your "P"ick
>
>

[chagoi]

Hank wrote:
> chagoi, I hope you can learn form you Lenape ancestors. DO NOT use
> local shale around your campfire. The gases and moisture trapped
> between the layers of rock expand and "Mak-um boom boom". It is very
> dangerous.
>
Not really a problem in my area. I live in the "Cement Belt" area of
eastern Pa. I mostly have to deal with clay mixed with a little bit of
limestone. The "Slate Belt" area runs about 10 miles north of me. So the
shale area begins about 5 miles north from me.


Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com

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[chagoi]

Hank wrote:

> chagoi, I hope you can learn form you Lenape ancestors. DO NOT use
> local shale around your campfire. The gases and moisture trapped
> between the layers of rock expand and "Mak-um boom boom". It is very
> dangerous.
>
Hank

I think you my have just given Mike P. another idea for some cheep
pyro-technic effects, to go along with his "Burning water" :-)

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-

[Hank]

I was afraid of that. As kids we used to throw shale in a campfire an
run like hell. Even city kids learned fast. It's amazing we survived.

--
some photos of my little puddle
http://community.webshots.com/user/hankpage1
"chagoi" > wrote in message
...
> Hank wrote:
>
> > chagoi, I hope you can learn form you Lenape ancestors. DO NOT
use
> > local shale around your campfire. The gases and moisture trapped
> > between the layers of rock expand and "Mak-um boom boom". It is
very
> > dangerous.
> >
> Hank
>
> I think you my have just given Mike P. another idea for some cheep
> pyro-technic effects, to go along with his "Burning water" :-)
>
> --
> -- Microsoft XP ---> "X"tra "P"atches, "X"tra "P"roblems,
> "X"tra "P"rofit, "X"tra "P"ain, "X"tra "P"anic,
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>
>
> -

[Mike Patterson]

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 16:47:02 -0500, "Hank" >
wrote:

>I was afraid of that. As kids we used to throw shale in a campfire an
>run like hell. Even city kids learned fast. It's amazing we survived.

Where I grew up it was sandstone...
big fun!

And cheap potato chips are great firestarters and impromptu
pyrotechnics.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>COOL!
>Did you get a name/number?

Sorry I didn't. Maybe I can find out though.

>Is "Wetside of WA" the name of a business, a club, or ?

It's how we spell West Side of WA, which is also the Wet side. ;o)


~ jan

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>COOL!
>Did you get a name/number?

Sorry I didn't. Maybe I can find out though.

>Is "Wetside of WA" the name of a business, a club, or ?

It's how we spell West Side of WA, which is also the Wet side. ;o)


~ jan

[Mike Patterson]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:11:07 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>>COOL!
>>Did you get a name/number?
>
>Sorry I didn't. Maybe I can find out though.
>
>>Is "Wetside of WA" the name of a business, a club, or ?
>
>It's how we spell West Side of WA, which is also the Wet side. ;o)
>
>
>~ jan

LOL!
I Googled like crazy for a "wet side of WA" and several variations ...



Mike Patterson
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[Mike Patterson]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:11:07 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>>COOL!
>>Did you get a name/number?
>
>Sorry I didn't. Maybe I can find out though.
>
>>Is "Wetside of WA" the name of a business, a club, or ?
>
>It's how we spell West Side of WA, which is also the Wet side. ;o)
>
>
>~ jan

LOL!
I Googled like crazy for a "wet side of WA" and several variations ...



Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Mike,

Took some time, but I got an answer for you, his name is Dan Corson. You
can reach him through his website at www.corsonart.com. Mention my name,
Jan Jordan and my contact Debra Prinzing, hopefully he'll get back to you.

Let me know what feedback you get. ~ jan

~ jan

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Mike,

Took some time, but I got an answer for you, his name is Dan Corson. You
can reach him through his website at www.corsonart.com. Mention my name,
Jan Jordan and my contact Debra Prinzing, hopefully he'll get back to you.

Let me know what feedback you get. ~ jan

~ jan

[Mike Patterson]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:33:34 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>Mike,
>
>Took some time, but I got an answer for you, his name is Dan Corson. You
>can reach him through his website at www.corsonart.com. Mention my name,
>Jan Jordan and my contact Debra Prinzing, hopefully he'll get back to you.
>
>Let me know what feedback you get. ~ jan
>
>~ jan

Thanks!

I sent an email outlining my planned setup and asked if he'd be so
kind as to comment on it.

It's been too windy here south of ATL to experiment yet, plus I had
some surgery last week that has me keeping movement to a minimum.

However, I have a couple of fresh propane tanks, a regulator, valve,
hose, and a piezo sparker that I'll mount on a stick, so I'm ready!

Mike

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Mike Patterson]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:33:34 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>Mike,
>
>Took some time, but I got an answer for you, his name is Dan Corson. You
>can reach him through his website at www.corsonart.com. Mention my name,
>Jan Jordan and my contact Debra Prinzing, hopefully he'll get back to you.
>
>Let me know what feedback you get. ~ jan
>
>~ jan

Thanks!

I sent an email outlining my planned setup and asked if he'd be so
kind as to comment on it.

It's been too windy here south of ATL to experiment yet, plus I had
some surgery last week that has me keeping movement to a minimum.

However, I have a couple of fresh propane tanks, a regulator, valve,
hose, and a piezo sparker that I'll mount on a stick, so I'm ready!

Mike

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Mike Patterson]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:11:43 -0500, Mike Patterson
> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:33:34 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:
>
>>Mike,
>>
>>Took some time, but I got an answer for you, his name is Dan Corson. You
>>can reach him through his website at www.corsonart.com. Mention my name,
>>Jan Jordan and my contact Debra Prinzing, hopefully he'll get back to you.
>>
>>Let me know what feedback you get. ~ jan
>>
>>~ jan
>
>Thanks!
>
>I sent an email outlining my planned setup and asked if he'd be so
>kind as to comment on it.
>
>It's been too windy here south of ATL to experiment yet, plus I had
>some surgery last week that has me keeping movement to a minimum.
>
>However, I have a couple of fresh propane tanks, a regulator, valve,
>hose, and a piezo sparker that I'll mount on a stick, so I'm ready!
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Patterson
>Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

Got a response, Mr. Corson says I'm "on the right track", but very
little else. Very friendly note, but not much content.

Temps are good, I'm moving around better, I'm caught up on work, if
the winds die down a bit I'm thinking tomorrow is Day 1 of The Great
Boiled Fish Experiment. (Barring the possibility of my wife realizing
the size of the HoneyDo list.)

Until last week I had no fish. Now I have 13 5" and smaller
unidentified fish I bought at the bait shop. 2 died within the first 4
days, but the rest seem to be OK with the exception of one that has
most of his tail gone. Treated the pond with 2 doses of that stuff in
the blue bottle (Maleleuca?), plus hit the pond with a couple doses of
AlgaeFix just so I could see how many fish I had.

I gotta get some plants and build a filter, but no one seems to have
any plants yet.

I will document the experimentation process so that those that may
dare to follow may benefit from my hideous
immolation^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hefforts.

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Mike Patterson]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:11:43 -0500, Mike Patterson
> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:33:34 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:
>
>>Mike,
>>
>>Took some time, but I got an answer for you, his name is Dan Corson. You
>>can reach him through his website at www.corsonart.com. Mention my name,
>>Jan Jordan and my contact Debra Prinzing, hopefully he'll get back to you.
>>
>>Let me know what feedback you get. ~ jan
>>
>>~ jan
>
>Thanks!
>
>I sent an email outlining my planned setup and asked if he'd be so
>kind as to comment on it.
>
>It's been too windy here south of ATL to experiment yet, plus I had
>some surgery last week that has me keeping movement to a minimum.
>
>However, I have a couple of fresh propane tanks, a regulator, valve,
>hose, and a piezo sparker that I'll mount on a stick, so I'm ready!
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Patterson
>Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

Got a response, Mr. Corson says I'm "on the right track", but very
little else. Very friendly note, but not much content.

Temps are good, I'm moving around better, I'm caught up on work, if
the winds die down a bit I'm thinking tomorrow is Day 1 of The Great
Boiled Fish Experiment. (Barring the possibility of my wife realizing
the size of the HoneyDo list.)

Until last week I had no fish. Now I have 13 5" and smaller
unidentified fish I bought at the bait shop. 2 died within the first 4
days, but the rest seem to be OK with the exception of one that has
most of his tail gone. Treated the pond with 2 doses of that stuff in
the blue bottle (Maleleuca?), plus hit the pond with a couple doses of
AlgaeFix just so I could see how many fish I had.

I gotta get some plants and build a filter, but no one seems to have
any plants yet.

I will document the experimentation process so that those that may
dare to follow may benefit from my hideous
immolation^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hefforts.

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[broomhilda]

Is this a new way to cook fish??


"chagoi" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Patterson
>
> Just wandering, hows the "burning water" experiment coming?
>
> We've been having some warmer weather up here in Pennsylvania. So I 've
> had some time to start cleaning up outside and working on the new pond.
> The grounds still too wet and frozen to start digging, so I decided to
> work on the campfire. It will be about 2 1/2- 3 feet from the edge of
> the pond, with the waterfall for a backdrop.
> I took some pictures of the flames, they can be seen at:
>
> http://ourkoipond.com/pond-campfire.htm
>
> or the "Campfire Experiment" button on my home page.
>
> My experiment with the "fire on the water" is still on hold , as there
> is still an iceberg on the 500 gallon Temp. pond. It froze solid since
> it is totally above ground. Meanwhile the koi have been vacationing in
> the Tomb, in my basement. By the time it thaws, I hope to have the
> prototype burner finished.
>
>
> Chagoi
> http://ourkoipond.com
>
>
> -- Microsoft XP ---> "X"tra "P"atches, "X"tra "P"roblems,
> "X"tra "P"rofit, "X"tra "P"ain, "X"tra "P"anic,
> "X"tra "P"athetic, "Xtra "P"ernicious
> --- take your "P"ick
>
>

[broomhilda]

Is this a new way to cook fish??


"chagoi" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Patterson
>
> Just wandering, hows the "burning water" experiment coming?
>
> We've been having some warmer weather up here in Pennsylvania. So I 've
> had some time to start cleaning up outside and working on the new pond.
> The grounds still too wet and frozen to start digging, so I decided to
> work on the campfire. It will be about 2 1/2- 3 feet from the edge of
> the pond, with the waterfall for a backdrop.
> I took some pictures of the flames, they can be seen at:
>
> http://ourkoipond.com/pond-campfire.htm
>
> or the "Campfire Experiment" button on my home page.
>
> My experiment with the "fire on the water" is still on hold , as there
> is still an iceberg on the 500 gallon Temp. pond. It froze solid since
> it is totally above ground. Meanwhile the koi have been vacationing in
> the Tomb, in my basement. By the time it thaws, I hope to have the
> prototype burner finished.
>
>
> Chagoi
> http://ourkoipond.com
>
>
> -- Microsoft XP ---> "X"tra "P"atches, "X"tra "P"roblems,
> "X"tra "P"rofit, "X"tra "P"ain, "X"tra "P"anic,
> "X"tra "P"athetic, "Xtra "P"ernicious
> --- take your "P"ick
>
>