new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner

[rigz]

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz

[RichToyBox]

Most of the preform ponds are smaller than 220 gallons. Generally speaking
they are too small for koi. A general rule of thumb used on rec.ponds is to
have 1000 gallons for the first koi, and 100 for each additional koi. Koi
grow large. My average size right now is probably close to 2 feet long.
The preformed ponds will definitely grow into larger liner ponds, or drive
you out of ponding if you have koi. I started with two preform ponds, some
goldfish, koi, and catfish. The catfish went to a farm pond at the end of
the first season. The preformed ponds got a liner pond added to the system.
The preformed ponds sprung leaks and got replaced with another liner pond.

If you want koi, start with a liner pond. Large ponds are more stable than
smaller ponds. If you want only a small liner pond, consider one of the
types of goldfish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"rigz" > wrote in message
...
> Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
> thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
> poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
> need. remember I want one that is already molded.
>
> Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
> the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
> great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rigz

[RichToyBox]

Most of the preform ponds are smaller than 220 gallons. Generally speaking
they are too small for koi. A general rule of thumb used on rec.ponds is to
have 1000 gallons for the first koi, and 100 for each additional koi. Koi
grow large. My average size right now is probably close to 2 feet long.
The preformed ponds will definitely grow into larger liner ponds, or drive
you out of ponding if you have koi. I started with two preform ponds, some
goldfish, koi, and catfish. The catfish went to a farm pond at the end of
the first season. The preformed ponds got a liner pond added to the system.
The preformed ponds sprung leaks and got replaced with another liner pond.

If you want koi, start with a liner pond. Large ponds are more stable than
smaller ponds. If you want only a small liner pond, consider one of the
types of goldfish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"rigz" > wrote in message
...
> Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
> thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
> poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
> need. remember I want one that is already molded.
>
> Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
> the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
> great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rigz

[[email protected]]

I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

>Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
>thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
>poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
>need. remember I want one that is already molded.
>
>Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
>the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
>great.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rigz



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

>Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
>thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
>poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
>need. remember I want one that is already molded.
>
>Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
>the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
>great.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rigz



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[rigz]

Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
aprove.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?
What type of pump would I need?



wrote in message >...
> I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
> it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
> 14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
> Ingrid
>
> (rigz) wrote:
>
> >Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
> >thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
> >poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
> >need. remember I want one that is already molded.
> >
> >Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
> >the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
> >great.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Rigz
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[rigz]

Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
aprove.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?
What type of pump would I need?



wrote in message >...
> I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
> it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
> 14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
> Ingrid
>
> (rigz) wrote:
>
> >Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
> >thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
> >poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
> >need. remember I want one that is already molded.
> >
> >Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
> >the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
> >great.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Rigz
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

none.

>So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
>there?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

none.

>So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
>there?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Ka30P]

What Rich said... ;-)

There are some really beautiful goldfish out
there, with flowing tails and different markings and colors. Just as pretty as
koi but not nearly the work and room that koi need.

Watch for BV's postings, he has a good page set up with info.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

What Rich said... ;-)

There are some really beautiful goldfish out
there, with flowing tails and different markings and colors. Just as pretty as
koi but not nearly the work and room that koi need.

Watch for BV's postings, he has a good page set up with info.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Nedra]

Koi need LOTS of water! 1,000 gallons to start off... then
100 gallons per koi at a minimum.

Your pond is a goldfish pond.
You'll be able to find very
pretty goldfish that will go nicely in your pond... don't overcrowd
the fish, though. They do breed - you'll be giving away fish
before the summer is out.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"rigz" > wrote in message
m...
> Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
> up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
> homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
> be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
> aprove.
>
> So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
> there?
> What type of pump would I need?
>
>
>
> wrote in message
>...
> > I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade,
1.5 above.
> > it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are
6' across x
> > 14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
> > Ingrid
> >
> > (rigz) wrote:
> >
> > >Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
> > >thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
> > >poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
> > >need. remember I want one that is already molded.
> > >
> > >Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
> > >the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
> > >great.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Rigz
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Nedra]

Koi need LOTS of water! 1,000 gallons to start off... then
100 gallons per koi at a minimum.

Your pond is a goldfish pond.
You'll be able to find very
pretty goldfish that will go nicely in your pond... don't overcrowd
the fish, though. They do breed - you'll be giving away fish
before the summer is out.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"rigz" > wrote in message
m...
> Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
> up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
> homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
> be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
> aprove.
>
> So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
> there?
> What type of pump would I need?
>
>
>
> wrote in message
>...
> > I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade,
1.5 above.
> > it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are
6' across x
> > 14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
> > Ingrid
> >
> > (rigz) wrote:
> >
> > >Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
> > >thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
> > >poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
> > >need. remember I want one that is already molded.
> > >
> > >Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
> > >the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
> > >great.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Rigz
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Shay Devening]

Most are under 200 but the biggest I have personally seen is still only 275
gallons. But there is a lady near here that has one and did put koi in it!
She has been lucky and they are still alive. But it has to be luck.

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:IMN4c.2459$SR1.7677@attbi_s04...
> Most of the preform ponds are smaller than 220 gallons. Generally
speaking
> they are too small for koi. A general rule of thumb used on rec.ponds is
to
> have 1000 gallons for the first koi, and 100 for each additional koi. Koi
> grow large. My average size right now is probably close to 2 feet long.
> The preformed ponds will definitely grow into larger liner ponds, or drive
> you out of ponding if you have koi. I started with two preform ponds,
some
> goldfish, koi, and catfish. The catfish went to a farm pond at the end of
> the first season. The preformed ponds got a liner pond added to the
system.
> The preformed ponds sprung leaks and got replaced with another liner pond.
>
> If you want koi, start with a liner pond. Large ponds are more stable
than
> smaller ponds. If you want only a small liner pond, consider one of the
> types of goldfish.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
>
>
> "rigz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
> > thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
> > poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
> > need. remember I want one that is already molded.
> >
> > Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
> > the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
> > great.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rigz
>
>

[Shay Devening]

Most are under 200 but the biggest I have personally seen is still only 275
gallons. But there is a lady near here that has one and did put koi in it!
She has been lucky and they are still alive. But it has to be luck.

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:IMN4c.2459$SR1.7677@attbi_s04...
> Most of the preform ponds are smaller than 220 gallons. Generally
speaking
> they are too small for koi. A general rule of thumb used on rec.ponds is
to
> have 1000 gallons for the first koi, and 100 for each additional koi. Koi
> grow large. My average size right now is probably close to 2 feet long.
> The preformed ponds will definitely grow into larger liner ponds, or drive
> you out of ponding if you have koi. I started with two preform ponds,
some
> goldfish, koi, and catfish. The catfish went to a farm pond at the end of
> the first season. The preformed ponds got a liner pond added to the
system.
> The preformed ponds sprung leaks and got replaced with another liner pond.
>
> If you want koi, start with a liner pond. Large ponds are more stable
than
> smaller ponds. If you want only a small liner pond, consider one of the
> types of goldfish.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
>
>
> "rigz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
> > thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
> > poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
> > need. remember I want one that is already molded.
> >
> > Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
> > the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
> > great.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rigz
>
>

[Hal]

On 27 Mar 2004 08:43:02 -0800, (rigz) wrote:

>So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
>there?
>What type of pump would I need?

Koi need more room, but 4 or 5 goldfish would make nice pets. Common
goldfish/commets grow into nice looking fish, but they are just
goldfish, I like shubunkin. There are also lots of fancy goldfish
with flowing fins and ugly heads, but some people like them.

A small pump that pumps from 100 to 200 gallons per hour will do
nicely and you might want to add a filter hidden in a container, like
a one gallon ice cream container. Don't forget to add some plants
too.

Problem with the in pond filter around the pump is that it has to be
cleaned periodically. Another solution is to add a barrel above the
pond and run the water up to the barrel, filter it there and allow it
spill out a pipe/spillway back down into the pond.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On 27 Mar 2004 08:43:02 -0800, (rigz) wrote:

>So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
>there?
>What type of pump would I need?

Koi need more room, but 4 or 5 goldfish would make nice pets. Common
goldfish/commets grow into nice looking fish, but they are just
goldfish, I like shubunkin. There are also lots of fancy goldfish
with flowing fins and ugly heads, but some people like them.

A small pump that pumps from 100 to 200 gallons per hour will do
nicely and you might want to add a filter hidden in a container, like
a one gallon ice cream container. Don't forget to add some plants
too.

Problem with the in pond filter around the pump is that it has to be
cleaned periodically. Another solution is to add a barrel above the
pond and run the water up to the barrel, filter it there and allow it
spill out a pipe/spillway back down into the pond.

Regards,

Hal