Salt ...

[Bill Kerrell]

Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is 1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
Thanks,
Bill - Pensacola, FL

[Hal]

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:32:27 -0600, "Bill Kerrell" >
wrote:

>Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is 1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
>Thanks,
>Bill - Pensacola, F

I don't usually add salt this time of year. Fish need relatively
little salt in the water for osmoregulation, but I believe it may be
more beneficial to add .1% salt during the winter when the fish immune
system isn't fully working. The added salt stimulates the slime coat
and helps to ward off parasites as the immune system is waking up when
the water temperature warms back into the 50's. I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.

For next winter add .888 pounds per hundred gallons for a .1%
solution.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:32:27 -0600, "Bill Kerrell" >
wrote:

>Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is 1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
>Thanks,
>Bill - Pensacola, F

I don't usually add salt this time of year. Fish need relatively
little salt in the water for osmoregulation, but I believe it may be
more beneficial to add .1% salt during the winter when the fish immune
system isn't fully working. The added salt stimulates the slime coat
and helps to ward off parasites as the immune system is waking up when
the water temperature warms back into the 50's. I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.

For next winter add .888 pounds per hundred gallons for a .1%
solution.

Regards,

Hal

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what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid

Hal > wrote:
I'm past that this
>year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
>Hal



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what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid

Hal > wrote:
I'm past that this
>year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
>Hal



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Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
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endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Bill Kerrell]

OOps I don't know I'll check tho ... Thanks,
Bill
**************
> wrote in message
...
> what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid
>
> Hal > wrote:
> I'm past that this
> >year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
> >Hal
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Bill Kerrell]

OOps I don't know I'll check tho ... Thanks,
Bill
**************
> wrote in message
...
> what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid
>
> Hal > wrote:
> I'm past that this
> >year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
> >Hal
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[RichToyBox]

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of that
argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt. For treating
parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of the salt resistant
parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much salt to add is to know how
much salt you currently have in your pond. Salt does not evaporate, but is
reduced by water changes. Go to http://www.click2roark.com which require
registration, but a good site, and use the salt calculator.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Bill Kerrell" > wrote in message
news:Nf67c.19120$Cf3.4087@lakeread01...
Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I
was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We
had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is
1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
Thanks,
Bill - Pensacola, FL

[RichToyBox]

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of that
argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt. For treating
parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of the salt resistant
parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much salt to add is to know how
much salt you currently have in your pond. Salt does not evaporate, but is
reduced by water changes. Go to http://www.click2roark.com which require
registration, but a good site, and use the salt calculator.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Bill Kerrell" > wrote in message
news:Nf67c.19120$Cf3.4087@lakeread01...
Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I
was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We
had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is
1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
Thanks,
Bill - Pensacola, FL

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT
"RichToyBox" > wrote:

> There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out
> of that argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt.
> For treating parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of
> the salt resistant parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much
> salt to add is to know how much salt you currently have in your pond.
> Salt does not evaporate, but is reduced by water changes. Go to
> http://www.click2roark.com which require registration, but a good
> site, and use the salt calculator.--
> RichToyBox

Have I mentioned my own solution? (no pun intended, /oh, sure/)
I drop a box of non-iodized salt with the top cut off directly into my
ponds once a year. Water changes remove it over the course of the year
and the fish self-treat by tail-fanning the salt box then swimming
repeatedly through the stirred up areas. No science behind it, but it
works for me. And the fish, I suppose, since they do pretty well.
(Until I do something /else/ stupid like last fall)

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT
"RichToyBox" > wrote:

> There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out
> of that argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt.
> For treating parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of
> the salt resistant parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much
> salt to add is to know how much salt you currently have in your pond.
> Salt does not evaporate, but is reduced by water changes. Go to
> http://www.click2roark.com which require registration, but a good
> site, and use the salt calculator.--
> RichToyBox

Have I mentioned my own solution? (no pun intended, /oh, sure/)
I drop a box of non-iodized salt with the top cut off directly into my
ponds once a year. Water changes remove it over the course of the year
and the fish self-treat by tail-fanning the salt box then swimming
repeatedly through the stirred up areas. No science behind it, but it
works for me. And the fish, I suppose, since they do pretty well.
(Until I do something /else/ stupid like last fall)

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Nedra]

Cybe R,

How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
using a pound box of salt?
Sounds doable for my pond.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote in message
news:20040321223630.0035636f@WizardsTower...
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT
> "RichToyBox" > wrote:
>
> > There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out
> > of that argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt.
> > For treating parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of
> > the salt resistant parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much
> > salt to add is to know how much salt you currently have in your pond.
> > Salt does not evaporate, but is reduced by water changes. Go to
> > http://www.click2roark.com which require registration, but a good
> > site, and use the salt calculator.--
> > RichToyBox
>
> Have I mentioned my own solution? (no pun intended, /oh, sure/)
> I drop a box of non-iodized salt with the top cut off directly into my
> ponds once a year. Water changes remove it over the course of the year
> and the fish self-treat by tail-fanning the salt box then swimming
> repeatedly through the stirred up areas. No science behind it, but it
> works for me. And the fish, I suppose, since they do pretty well.
> (Until I do something /else/ stupid like last fall)
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Nedra]

Cybe R,

How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
using a pound box of salt?
Sounds doable for my pond.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote in message
news:20040321223630.0035636f@WizardsTower...
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT
> "RichToyBox" > wrote:
>
> > There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out
> > of that argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt.
> > For treating parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of
> > the salt resistant parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much
> > salt to add is to know how much salt you currently have in your pond.
> > Salt does not evaporate, but is reduced by water changes. Go to
> > http://www.click2roark.com which require registration, but a good
> > site, and use the salt calculator.--
> > RichToyBox
>
> Have I mentioned my own solution? (no pun intended, /oh, sure/)
> I drop a box of non-iodized salt with the top cut off directly into my
> ponds once a year. Water changes remove it over the course of the year
> and the fish self-treat by tail-fanning the salt box then swimming
> repeatedly through the stirred up areas. No science behind it, but it
> works for me. And the fish, I suppose, since they do pretty well.
> (Until I do something /else/ stupid like last fall)
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:06:43 GMT
"Nedra" > wrote:

> Cybe R,
>
> How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
> using a pound box of salt?
> Sounds doable for my pond.
>
> Nedra

Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:06:43 GMT
"Nedra" > wrote:

> Cybe R,
>
> How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
> using a pound box of salt?
> Sounds doable for my pond.
>
> Nedra

Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Nedra]

Thanks for the info, Cybe.
Although my pond is about 3,000 gallons, I think this is
my solution :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote in message
news:20040322004235.2ba0a92a@WizardsTower...
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:06:43 GMT
> "Nedra" > wrote:
>
> > Cybe R,
> >
> > How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
> > using a pound box of salt?
> > Sounds doable for my pond.
> >
> > Nedra
>
> Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
> although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
> Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
> often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Nedra]

Thanks for the info, Cybe.
Although my pond is about 3,000 gallons, I think this is
my solution :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote in message
news:20040322004235.2ba0a92a@WizardsTower...
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:06:43 GMT
> "Nedra" > wrote:
>
> > Cybe R,
> >
> > How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
> > using a pound box of salt?
> > Sounds doable for my pond.
> >
> > Nedra
>
> Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
> although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
> Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
> often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Hal]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:46:25 GMT, wrote:

>what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid
>
>Hal > wrote:
> I'm past that this
>>year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
>>Hal

I'm not sure, but less than .02% out of the tap, which is the lowest
reading with my test kit. The test calls for two drops of #2
solution, but reads the same with one drop. I can't get any closer
because I never measured a half a drop before. :)

After I clean out the plant pond and refill after the fall cleanup I
check and add salt for the winter, bringing it to a .1% solution.
That usually doesn't drop past .04% before I do it again the following
fall.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:46:25 GMT, wrote:

>what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid
>
>Hal > wrote:
> I'm past that this
>>year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
>>Hal

I'm not sure, but less than .02% out of the tap, which is the lowest
reading with my test kit. The test calls for two drops of #2
solution, but reads the same with one drop. I can't get any closer
because I never measured a half a drop before. :)

After I clean out the plant pond and refill after the fall cleanup I
check and add salt for the winter, bringing it to a .1% solution.
That usually doesn't drop past .04% before I do it again the following
fall.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:

>Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
>although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
>Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
>often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.

Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.

[Hal]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:

>Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
>although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
>Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
>often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.

Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.

[Hal]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
> wrote:

>There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of that
>argument.

There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
> wrote:

>There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of that
>argument.

There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.

Regards,

Hal

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:16:29 -0500
Hal > wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:
>
> >Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
> >although that last figure has changed with the recently begun
> >remodel. Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water
> >trade fairly often through the season so salt residual isn't a
> >problem next year.
>
> Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
> The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:16:29 -0500
Hal > wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:
>
> >Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
> >although that last figure has changed with the recently begun
> >remodel. Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water
> >trade fairly often through the season so salt residual isn't a
> >problem next year.
>
> Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
> The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[RichToyBox]

When I started ponding, one of the "EXPERTS" at a talk at my local pond
supplier stated that the best thing you can do for the fish is to put one
pound of salt per hundred gallons of water (0.1%). That dosage turns out to
be a little over 0.1%. Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Hal" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
> > wrote:
>
> >There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of
that
> >argument.
>
> There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
> of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
> looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
> reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hal

[RichToyBox]

When I started ponding, one of the "EXPERTS" at a talk at my local pond
supplier stated that the best thing you can do for the fish is to put one
pound of salt per hundred gallons of water (0.1%). That dosage turns out to
be a little over 0.1%. Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Hal" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
> > wrote:
>
> >There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of
that
> >argument.
>
> There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
> of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
> looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
> reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hal

[Hal]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:33:13 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:

>And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
>plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
>wish or feel the need.

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:33:13 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:

>And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
>plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
>wish or feel the need.

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:20:12 GMT, "RichToyBox"
> wrote:

>Others say to save the salt until you need it to
>keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
>fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
>today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
>called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
>you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.

Save the heavy doseage of salt until you need it sounds like a good
idea to me too. That is the reason I feel limiting my .1% to winter
application and let it die from rain/water changes is being
conservative.

I don't think I have any oxygenators any more. Parrot feather covers
my plant pond every winter and I only found a few anacharis plants
under it last year, but I don't think .1% salt ever bothered any of my
plants. There was a study on Koivet.com that indicated .1% effected
water hyacinths too, but I couldn't see that. As soon as water
hyacinths become available to me, I'm putting some more into a .1%
salt solution too.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:20:12 GMT, "RichToyBox"
> wrote:

>Others say to save the salt until you need it to
>keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
>fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
>today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
>called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
>you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.

Save the heavy doseage of salt until you need it sounds like a good
idea to me too. That is the reason I feel limiting my .1% to winter
application and let it die from rain/water changes is being
conservative.

I don't think I have any oxygenators any more. Parrot feather covers
my plant pond every winter and I only found a few anacharis plants
under it last year, but I don't think .1% salt ever bothered any of my
plants. There was a study on Koivet.com that indicated .1% effected
water hyacinths too, but I couldn't see that. As soon as water
hyacinths become available to me, I'm putting some more into a .1%
salt solution too.

Regards,

Hal

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal > wrote:

> So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
> deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
> so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.
>
> Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
> better idea.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hal

Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal > wrote:

> So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
> deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
> so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.
>
> Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
> better idea.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hal

Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Nedra]

I am wondering if our weather is too cold to put the box of
salt in the pond?

Nedra

"Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote in message
news:20040323173905.567228c2@WizardsTower...
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
> Hal > wrote:
>
> > So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
> > deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
> > so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.
> >
> > Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
> > better idea.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hal
>
> Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
> opening faced upward.
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Nedra]

I am wondering if our weather is too cold to put the box of
salt in the pond?

Nedra

"Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote in message
news:20040323173905.567228c2@WizardsTower...
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
> Hal > wrote:
>
> > So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
> > deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
> > so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.
> >
> > Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
> > better idea.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hal
>
> Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
> opening faced upward.
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[joe]

Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a salt
treatment? ;)


Joe


On 3/22/04 3:33 PM, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:

> And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
> plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
> wish or feel the need.



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[joe]

Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a salt
treatment? ;)


Joe


On 3/22/04 3:33 PM, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower> wrote:

> And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
> plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
> wish or feel the need.



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it is too cold for salt right now unless there is good movement of water from bottom
to top, otherwise it will sit on the bottom and teh fish sit down and get salt burns.
Ingrid


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it is too cold for salt right now unless there is good movement of water from bottom
to top, otherwise it will sit on the bottom and teh fish sit down and get salt burns.
Ingrid


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Nedra]

Thanks Solo. I hadn't thought the question all the way thru
before I asked.

Nedra
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> wrote in message
...
> it is too cold for salt right now unless there is good movement of water
from bottom
> to top, otherwise it will sit on the bottom and teh fish sit down and get
salt burns.
> Ingrid
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Nedra]

Thanks Solo. I hadn't thought the question all the way thru
before I asked.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

> wrote in message
...
> it is too cold for salt right now unless there is good movement of water
from bottom
> to top, otherwise it will sit on the bottom and teh fish sit down and get
salt burns.
> Ingrid
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:32:58 -0800
joe > wrote:

> Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a
> salt treatment? ;)
>
> Joe

Ya know, I asked that, too, but they have yet to reply.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:32:58 -0800
joe > wrote:

> Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a
> salt treatment? ;)
>
> Joe

Ya know, I asked that, too, but they have yet to reply.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

[REBEL JOE]

I used salt and all my plants did fine. My water hyc. were 2 foot high.



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[REBEL JOE]

I used salt and all my plants did fine. My water hyc. were 2 foot high.



http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

[BenignVanilla]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a salt
> treatment? ;)
<snip>

No...stop...don't...


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[BenignVanilla]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a salt
> treatment? ;)
<snip>

No...stop...don't...


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