Fire & Water - pics are posted

[Mike Patterson]

Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
kids take pictures, they can be seen here:

http://www.the-patterson-family.com

Materials used were a fresh 20 pound propane tank, a 5-gallon plastic
bucket, a number 3 washtub, a valve and hose assembly from a gas
burner, and a few odds & ends.

Tried the plastic bucket first, hoping to get a small flame area, but
it was obvious early on that too much heat was being generated for the
plastic, so I filled up the metal washtub and began experimenting
there.

The fire is sustainable, but very sensitive to ambient wind, which
dissipates the gas before it can ignite. The only time I could
realistically expect to use this in the pond would be during the
summer when there is very little wind.

To keep the flame going in the wind, I had to pretty much either open
the valve fully (which causes an enormous amount of bubbling), or else
place the gas nozzle very close to the surface.

OTOH, on the rare occasions when the wind died down, the flame was
pretty much what I was hoping for in terms of appearance and sound.

At one point I let it burn for about 10 minutes duration, there was no
measurable change in water temperature, but there -was- a residue left
floating on the water. The residue was almost transparent, no
discernable color, no smell. It did not have the characteristic
rainbow appearance that floating oil has.

My pond is intentionally designed so that I can "skim" it by
overfilling it any time, so I think the residue is a moot point,
assuming it is not horribly toxic.

Since the residue had no smell, I don't believe it is the (toxic)
mercaptin which is used to make the gas smell.

Tomorrow I may try it in the pond if the winds abate a bit.


Mike Patterson
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[Paul in Redland]

Mike,
Interesting idea. I kinda like the effect . Do you suppose the results might
be different if one used natural gas ( lighter than air ) instead of propane
( heavier than air )? Just thinking with my fingers.
Paul


"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
>
> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
>
> Materials used were a fresh 20 pound propane tank, a 5-gallon plastic
> bucket, a number 3 washtub, a valve and hose assembly from a gas
> burner, and a few odds & ends.
>
> Tried the plastic bucket first, hoping to get a small flame area, but
> it was obvious early on that too much heat was being generated for the
> plastic, so I filled up the metal washtub and began experimenting
> there.
>
> The fire is sustainable, but very sensitive to ambient wind, which
> dissipates the gas before it can ignite. The only time I could
> realistically expect to use this in the pond would be during the
> summer when there is very little wind.
>
> To keep the flame going in the wind, I had to pretty much either open
> the valve fully (which causes an enormous amount of bubbling), or else
> place the gas nozzle very close to the surface.
>
> OTOH, on the rare occasions when the wind died down, the flame was
> pretty much what I was hoping for in terms of appearance and sound.
>
> At one point I let it burn for about 10 minutes duration, there was no
> measurable change in water temperature, but there -was- a residue left
> floating on the water. The residue was almost transparent, no
> discernable color, no smell. It did not have the characteristic
> rainbow appearance that floating oil has.
>
> My pond is intentionally designed so that I can "skim" it by
> overfilling it any time, so I think the residue is a moot point,
> assuming it is not horribly toxic.
>
> Since the residue had no smell, I don't believe it is the (toxic)
> mercaptin which is used to make the gas smell.
>
> Tomorrow I may try it in the pond if the winds abate a bit.
>
>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Paul in Redland]

Mike,
Interesting idea. I kinda like the effect . Do you suppose the results might
be different if one used natural gas ( lighter than air ) instead of propane
( heavier than air )? Just thinking with my fingers.
Paul


"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
>
> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
>
> Materials used were a fresh 20 pound propane tank, a 5-gallon plastic
> bucket, a number 3 washtub, a valve and hose assembly from a gas
> burner, and a few odds & ends.
>
> Tried the plastic bucket first, hoping to get a small flame area, but
> it was obvious early on that too much heat was being generated for the
> plastic, so I filled up the metal washtub and began experimenting
> there.
>
> The fire is sustainable, but very sensitive to ambient wind, which
> dissipates the gas before it can ignite. The only time I could
> realistically expect to use this in the pond would be during the
> summer when there is very little wind.
>
> To keep the flame going in the wind, I had to pretty much either open
> the valve fully (which causes an enormous amount of bubbling), or else
> place the gas nozzle very close to the surface.
>
> OTOH, on the rare occasions when the wind died down, the flame was
> pretty much what I was hoping for in terms of appearance and sound.
>
> At one point I let it burn for about 10 minutes duration, there was no
> measurable change in water temperature, but there -was- a residue left
> floating on the water. The residue was almost transparent, no
> discernable color, no smell. It did not have the characteristic
> rainbow appearance that floating oil has.
>
> My pond is intentionally designed so that I can "skim" it by
> overfilling it any time, so I think the residue is a moot point,
> assuming it is not horribly toxic.
>
> Since the residue had no smell, I don't believe it is the (toxic)
> mercaptin which is used to make the gas smell.
>
> Tomorrow I may try it in the pond if the winds abate a bit.
>
>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Mike Patterson]

Thanks Paul,

Yah, I was thinking of trying that, but since the gas pipes in the
house are black iron, I'd have to do some non-trivial work to get it
piped outside.

OTOH, I have gas running to the fireplace with access via the basement
below, so it might be as simple as replacing an elbow with a "T" and
then using reducers to get it down to a size I can use flexible tubing
on, at least for experimentation purposes.

Now I need to look up the code standards for -that-...

A propane tank I could just place near the pond, but no way would I go
to the trouble to run 3/4" ID iron pipe out to the pond, but if I can
find some code-acceptable flexible tubing I could run underground, I'd
be in business.

That's assuming that NG would work better than propane, of course.

Since the propane was so sensitive to wind, I kinda think NG would be
even worse. But then, that's why it's called "experimentation".

Mike


On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:04:57 -0800, "Paul in Redland"
> wrote:

>Mike,
>Interesting idea. I kinda like the effect . Do you suppose the results might
>be different if one used natural gas ( lighter than air ) instead of propane
>( heavier than air )? Just thinking with my fingers.
>Paul
>
>
>"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
>> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
>>
>> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
>>
<SNIP>

Mike Patterson
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[Mike Patterson]

Thanks Paul,

Yah, I was thinking of trying that, but since the gas pipes in the
house are black iron, I'd have to do some non-trivial work to get it
piped outside.

OTOH, I have gas running to the fireplace with access via the basement
below, so it might be as simple as replacing an elbow with a "T" and
then using reducers to get it down to a size I can use flexible tubing
on, at least for experimentation purposes.

Now I need to look up the code standards for -that-...

A propane tank I could just place near the pond, but no way would I go
to the trouble to run 3/4" ID iron pipe out to the pond, but if I can
find some code-acceptable flexible tubing I could run underground, I'd
be in business.

That's assuming that NG would work better than propane, of course.

Since the propane was so sensitive to wind, I kinda think NG would be
even worse. But then, that's why it's called "experimentation".

Mike


On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:04:57 -0800, "Paul in Redland"
> wrote:

>Mike,
>Interesting idea. I kinda like the effect . Do you suppose the results might
>be different if one used natural gas ( lighter than air ) instead of propane
>( heavier than air )? Just thinking with my fingers.
>Paul
>
>
>"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
>> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
>>
>> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
>>
<SNIP>

Mike Patterson
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[REBEL JOE]

It looks cool just seems like the flame is so close to the tank Don't
blow yourself up lol



http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

[REBEL JOE]

It looks cool just seems like the flame is so close to the tank Don't
blow yourself up lol



http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

[Nedra]

I looked at all the pictures and I have one question: WHY?

Nedra

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
>
> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
>
> Materials used were a fresh 20 pound propane tank, a 5-gallon plastic
> bucket, a number 3 washtub, a valve and hose assembly from a gas
> burner, and a few odds & ends.
>
> Tried the plastic bucket first, hoping to get a small flame area, but
> it was obvious early on that too much heat was being generated for the
> plastic, so I filled up the metal washtub and began experimenting
> there.
>
> The fire is sustainable, but very sensitive to ambient wind, which
> dissipates the gas before it can ignite. The only time I could
> realistically expect to use this in the pond would be during the
> summer when there is very little wind.
>
> To keep the flame going in the wind, I had to pretty much either open
> the valve fully (which causes an enormous amount of bubbling), or else
> place the gas nozzle very close to the surface.
>
> OTOH, on the rare occasions when the wind died down, the flame was
> pretty much what I was hoping for in terms of appearance and sound.
>
> At one point I let it burn for about 10 minutes duration, there was no
> measurable change in water temperature, but there -was- a residue left
> floating on the water. The residue was almost transparent, no
> discernable color, no smell. It did not have the characteristic
> rainbow appearance that floating oil has.
>
> My pond is intentionally designed so that I can "skim" it by
> overfilling it any time, so I think the residue is a moot point,
> assuming it is not horribly toxic.
>
> Since the residue had no smell, I don't believe it is the (toxic)
> mercaptin which is used to make the gas smell.
>
> Tomorrow I may try it in the pond if the winds abate a bit.
>
>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Nedra]

I looked at all the pictures and I have one question: WHY?

Nedra

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
>
> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
>
> Materials used were a fresh 20 pound propane tank, a 5-gallon plastic
> bucket, a number 3 washtub, a valve and hose assembly from a gas
> burner, and a few odds & ends.
>
> Tried the plastic bucket first, hoping to get a small flame area, but
> it was obvious early on that too much heat was being generated for the
> plastic, so I filled up the metal washtub and began experimenting
> there.
>
> The fire is sustainable, but very sensitive to ambient wind, which
> dissipates the gas before it can ignite. The only time I could
> realistically expect to use this in the pond would be during the
> summer when there is very little wind.
>
> To keep the flame going in the wind, I had to pretty much either open
> the valve fully (which causes an enormous amount of bubbling), or else
> place the gas nozzle very close to the surface.
>
> OTOH, on the rare occasions when the wind died down, the flame was
> pretty much what I was hoping for in terms of appearance and sound.
>
> At one point I let it burn for about 10 minutes duration, there was no
> measurable change in water temperature, but there -was- a residue left
> floating on the water. The residue was almost transparent, no
> discernable color, no smell. It did not have the characteristic
> rainbow appearance that floating oil has.
>
> My pond is intentionally designed so that I can "skim" it by
> overfilling it any time, so I think the residue is a moot point,
> assuming it is not horribly toxic.
>
> Since the residue had no smell, I don't believe it is the (toxic)
> mercaptin which is used to make the gas smell.
>
> Tomorrow I may try it in the pond if the winds abate a bit.
>
>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Mike Patterson]

What is the point of your question?

I do it because it's fun, interesting, educational, and no one else
appears to have done it yet, though this guy is close:
http://www.corsonart.com/

Why do you go to all the trouble and work and expense and worry to
keep ponds, fish, pets, gardens?

Who knows, in a couple of years your friends may be purchasing "Fire &
Water" kits from me...or not.

I certainly don't place myself in the same league with these folks,
but I think the sentiment applies somewhat:

"Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that
never were and ask why not." - Robert Kennedy

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from
mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

"Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so
too." - Voltaire

Mike


On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:38:10 GMT, "Nedra" >
wrote:

>I looked at all the pictures and I have one question: WHY?
>
>Nedra
>
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
>http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
>"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
>> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
>>
>> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
<snip>
Mike Patterson
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[Mike Patterson]

What is the point of your question?

I do it because it's fun, interesting, educational, and no one else
appears to have done it yet, though this guy is close:
http://www.corsonart.com/

Why do you go to all the trouble and work and expense and worry to
keep ponds, fish, pets, gardens?

Who knows, in a couple of years your friends may be purchasing "Fire &
Water" kits from me...or not.

I certainly don't place myself in the same league with these folks,
but I think the sentiment applies somewhat:

"Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that
never were and ask why not." - Robert Kennedy

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from
mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

"Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so
too." - Voltaire

Mike


On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:38:10 GMT, "Nedra" >
wrote:

>I looked at all the pictures and I have one question: WHY?
>
>Nedra
>
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
>http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
>"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
>> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
>>
>> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
<snip>
Mike Patterson
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[Nedra]

I just wondered Why mix water and fire... they seem so
mutually exclusive is all :)

As to your second question.. I go to all the work and trouble
because I enjoy the looks and sound of water and its inhabitants.

No offense was intended.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> What is the point of your question?
>
> I do it because it's fun, interesting, educational, and no one else
> appears to have done it yet, though this guy is close:
> http://www.corsonart.com/
>
> Why do you go to all the trouble and work and expense and worry to
> keep ponds, fish, pets, gardens?
>
> Who knows, in a couple of years your friends may be purchasing "Fire &
> Water" kits from me...or not.
>
> I certainly don't place myself in the same league with these folks,
> but I think the sentiment applies somewhat:
>
> "Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that
> never were and ask why not." - Robert Kennedy
>
> "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from
> mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
>
> "Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so
> too." - Voltaire
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:38:10 GMT, "Nedra" >
> wrote:
>
> >I looked at all the pictures and I have one question: WHY?
> >
> >Nedra
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> >http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> >"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
> >> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
> >>
> >> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
> <snip>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Nedra]

I just wondered Why mix water and fire... they seem so
mutually exclusive is all :)

As to your second question.. I go to all the work and trouble
because I enjoy the looks and sound of water and its inhabitants.

No offense was intended.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> What is the point of your question?
>
> I do it because it's fun, interesting, educational, and no one else
> appears to have done it yet, though this guy is close:
> http://www.corsonart.com/
>
> Why do you go to all the trouble and work and expense and worry to
> keep ponds, fish, pets, gardens?
>
> Who knows, in a couple of years your friends may be purchasing "Fire &
> Water" kits from me...or not.
>
> I certainly don't place myself in the same league with these folks,
> but I think the sentiment applies somewhat:
>
> "Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that
> never were and ask why not." - Robert Kennedy
>
> "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from
> mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
>
> "Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so
> too." - Voltaire
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:38:10 GMT, "Nedra" >
> wrote:
>
> >I looked at all the pictures and I have one question: WHY?
> >
> >Nedra
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> >http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> >"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Finally got a chance to play with the fire & water idea today, had the
> >> kids take pictures, they can be seen here:
> >>
> >> http://www.the-patterson-family.com
> <snip>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Gareee©]

Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at disneyworld
for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water does
become toxic because of it.


--
Gareee©
Homepage:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!

[Gareee©]

Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at disneyworld
for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water does
become toxic because of it.


--
Gareee©
Homepage:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!

[Mike Patterson]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:01:43 -0400, "Gareee©"
> wrote:

>Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at disneyworld
>for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water does
>become toxic because of it.

I did some experimentation one afternoon (see pics at
www.the-patterson-family.com) .

While I was able to get what I felt was a workable sustained
combustion/gas flow/appearance configuration, I wasn't very happy
with the results as there was a residue left on the water surface that
makes me suspicious of toxins.

There wasn't much residue, and it was most likely just a very fine
ash. One design feature of my pond is that I can just intentionally
overfill it for a few minutes and surface tension sweeps particulates
(like the pine pollen that currently dusts my whole state) out of the
pond.

ONe thing I noticed was that the farther the gas has to travel
bubbling through the water, the harder it is to keep the fire burning.
I'm contemplating a design with a 1/4 inch clear plexiglas tube that
would take the gas up to within about an inch of the surface. The tube
would be mounted on a fixture resting on the bottom of the pond.

I think I'm going to try experimenting with natural gas feed from my
house line, but I'll have to find a regulator/valve from a gas
appliance.

It's very entertaining so far.



Mike Patterson
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[Mike Patterson]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:01:43 -0400, "Gareee©"
> wrote:

>Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at disneyworld
>for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water does
>become toxic because of it.

I did some experimentation one afternoon (see pics at
www.the-patterson-family.com) .

While I was able to get what I felt was a workable sustained
combustion/gas flow/appearance configuration, I wasn't very happy
with the results as there was a residue left on the water surface that
makes me suspicious of toxins.

There wasn't much residue, and it was most likely just a very fine
ash. One design feature of my pond is that I can just intentionally
overfill it for a few minutes and surface tension sweeps particulates
(like the pine pollen that currently dusts my whole state) out of the
pond.

ONe thing I noticed was that the farther the gas has to travel
bubbling through the water, the harder it is to keep the fire burning.
I'm contemplating a design with a 1/4 inch clear plexiglas tube that
would take the gas up to within about an inch of the surface. The tube
would be mounted on a fixture resting on the bottom of the pond.

I think I'm going to try experimenting with natural gas feed from my
house line, but I'll have to find a regulator/valve from a gas
appliance.

It's very entertaining so far.



Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[A.N.Other]

"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at disneyworld
> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
does
> become toxic because of it.
>
>
> --
> Gareee©
> Homepage:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>

just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone, this
might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.

ANO
--
Money, the only real munitions!

[A.N.Other]

"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at disneyworld
> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
does
> become toxic because of it.
>
>
> --
> Gareee©
> Homepage:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>

just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone, this
might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.

ANO
--
Money, the only real munitions!

[Mike Patterson]

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:23 GMT, "A.N.Other" >
wrote:

>"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
>> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at disneyworld
>> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
>does
>> become toxic because of it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gareee©
>> Homepage:
>> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
>> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>>
>
>just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone, this
>might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.
>
>ANO

Thanks, I'll try that.


Mike Patterson
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[Mike Patterson]

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:23 GMT, "A.N.Other" >
wrote:

>"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
>> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at disneyworld
>> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
>does
>> become toxic because of it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gareee©
>> Homepage:
>> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
>> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>>
>
>just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone, this
>might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.
>
>ANO

Thanks, I'll try that.


Mike Patterson
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[Benign Vanilla]

"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:23 GMT, "A.N.Other" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Gareee©" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at
disneyworld
> >> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
> >does
> >> become toxic because of it.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gareee©
> >> Homepage:
> >> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> >> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> >>
> >
> >just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone,
this
> >might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.
> >
> >ANO
>
> Thanks, I'll try that.

Mike, I still think you are a looney for trying this...but...secretly...I
can't wait to see the results. LOL. You realize, you are REQUIRED to post at
least a short video once you get it working.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:23 GMT, "A.N.Other" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Gareee©" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at
disneyworld
> >> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
> >does
> >> become toxic because of it.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gareee©
> >> Homepage:
> >> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> >> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> >>
> >
> >just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone,
this
> >might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.
> >
> >ANO
>
> Thanks, I'll try that.

Mike, I still think you are a looney for trying this...but...secretly...I
can't wait to see the results. LOL. You realize, you are REQUIRED to post at
least a short video once you get it working.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Gareee©]

Or maybe better yet, get a small brass pipe, and coats it with a outside
layer of quickrete. (That would also make you a good anchor)if you formed
the quickrete into a rock shape, it could look like a rock barely below the
surface, until you fire it up...


"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:23 GMT, "A.N.Other" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Gareee©" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at
disneyworld
> >> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
> >does
> >> become toxic because of it.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gareee©
> >> Homepage:
> >> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> >> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> >>
> >
> >just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone,
this
> >might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.
> >
> >ANO
>
> Thanks, I'll try that.
>
>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Gareee©]

Or maybe better yet, get a small brass pipe, and coats it with a outside
layer of quickrete. (That would also make you a good anchor)if you formed
the quickrete into a rock shape, it could look like a rock barely below the
surface, until you fire it up...


"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:23 GMT, "A.N.Other" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Gareee©" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at
disneyworld
> >> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
> >does
> >> become toxic because of it.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gareee©
> >> Homepage:
> >> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> >> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> >>
> >
> >just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone,
this
> >might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.
> >
> >ANO
>
> Thanks, I'll try that.
>
>
> Mike Patterson
> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Mike Patterson]

mmm, maybe.

The water is about 36 inches deep at the place where I want the flame.
Any pipe will be very obvious, so I'm hoping to be able to bubble the
gas from as far down as is practical.

Keep making suggestions! :-)




On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:54:12 -0400, "Gareee©"
> wrote:

>Or maybe better yet, get a small brass pipe, and coats it with a outside
>layer of quickrete. (That would also make you a good anchor)if you formed
>the quickrete into a rock shape, it could look like a rock barely below the
>surface, until you fire it up...
>
>
>"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:23 GMT, "A.N.Other" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Gareee©" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at
>disneyworld
>> >> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
>> >does
>> >> become toxic because of it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gareee©
>> >> Homepage:
>> >> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
>> >> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>> >>
>> >
>> >just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone,
>this
>> >might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.
>> >
>> >ANO
>>
>> Thanks, I'll try that.
>>
>>
>> Mike Patterson
>> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
>

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Mike Patterson]

mmm, maybe.

The water is about 36 inches deep at the place where I want the flame.
Any pipe will be very obvious, so I'm hoping to be able to bubble the
gas from as far down as is practical.

Keep making suggestions! :-)




On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:54:12 -0400, "Gareee©"
> wrote:

>Or maybe better yet, get a small brass pipe, and coats it with a outside
>layer of quickrete. (That would also make you a good anchor)if you formed
>the quickrete into a rock shape, it could look like a rock barely below the
>surface, until you fire it up...
>
>
>"Mike Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:23 GMT, "A.N.Other" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Gareee©" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Have you made any more progress with this? They use propane at
>disneyworld
>> >> for some fire effects, and they do tell everyone working that the water
>> >does
>> >> become toxic because of it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gareee©
>> >> Homepage:
>> >> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
>> >> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>> >>
>> >
>> >just a suggestion, how about feeding the gas out through an airstone,
>this
>> >might make for smaller more controllable bubbles.
>> >
>> >ANO
>>
>> Thanks, I'll try that.
>>
>>
>> Mike Patterson
>> Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
>

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

[Glen Harris]

Not much in the way of detailed information, but you could ask them
for more info:

http://www.tierney.com.au/projects/olympics/olympic_cauldron.html

[Glen Harris]

Not much in the way of detailed information, but you could ask them
for more info:

http://www.tierney.com.au/projects/olympics/olympic_cauldron.html