Hello Everyone

[LeeAnne]

It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen and
useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.

It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
wealth of info!

I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right now,
about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from there
comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow bird
bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one, but
again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very big
or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a pre-form
w/a shallow end. :-)

I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought last
year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper for
them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an easy
target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the surface
for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of movement.
This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way. I'll
probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.

Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!

TIA,
LeeAnne

[Ka30P]

Hmmmm...
I haven't *seen* any preforms with shallow ends...
I've seen one (a nursery pond) that has a shallow
ridge running all around the edge to put plants in small pots on for sale. I
noticed that someone had one in their backyard here recently that showed up on
a webpage (I didn't think they were for sale to the general public). Our
nursery has one that they drag around the property to where ever they decide to
put pond stuff that year.

The Costco here had a pond 'set' that included a waterfall stairstep type
attachment. If you put a few pebbles in that the birds would have secure
footing.

You might have to take a Saturday and tour the various garden centers and
nurseries and see what they have available.
Nurseries would be a good place, when they aren't too busy, they might be able
to show you
their catalogs from which they order. Maybe they could put in a special order
for you.

kathy - (who is supposed to be studying math to
pass a teacher skills test and finding ways to avoid confronting the concept of
parallel polygonal ends, sounds rude to me ;-)

[Ka30P]

Hmmmm...
I haven't *seen* any preforms with shallow ends...
I've seen one (a nursery pond) that has a shallow
ridge running all around the edge to put plants in small pots on for sale. I
noticed that someone had one in their backyard here recently that showed up on
a webpage (I didn't think they were for sale to the general public). Our
nursery has one that they drag around the property to where ever they decide to
put pond stuff that year.

The Costco here had a pond 'set' that included a waterfall stairstep type
attachment. If you put a few pebbles in that the birds would have secure
footing.

You might have to take a Saturday and tour the various garden centers and
nurseries and see what they have available.
Nurseries would be a good place, when they aren't too busy, they might be able
to show you
their catalogs from which they order. Maybe they could put in a special order
for you.

kathy - (who is supposed to be studying math to
pass a teacher skills test and finding ways to avoid confronting the concept of
parallel polygonal ends, sounds rude to me ;-)

[grubber]

"LeeAnne" > wrote in message
...
> It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
and
> useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
>
> It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> wealth of info!
>
> I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
now,
> about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from there
> comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow bird
> bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one, but
> again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very big
> or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a pre-form
> w/a shallow end. :-)
>
> I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought last
> year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper for
> them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
easy
> target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
surface
> for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
movement.
> This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
I'll
> probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
>
> Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
>
> TIA,
> LeeAnne
>
>
>

Use EPDM liner. It's cheaper and you can shape it exactly the way you want.

As for filtration, put a trickle tower in the shallow end, maybe sitting on
a flat rock so it's out of the water. The only filtration I have in my
small (6'x4'x2.5' deep) pond is a plastic bucket of pea gravel that the 100
GPM pump is buried in and a three gallon terra cotta pot 'trickle tower',
also full of pea gravel, that I plant things in (snapdragons right now).
The hose from the pump goes up the drain hole in the pot and drains back
into the pond. The fish are happy and the water is clear.

[grubber]

"LeeAnne" > wrote in message
...
> It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
and
> useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
>
> It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> wealth of info!
>
> I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
now,
> about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from there
> comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow bird
> bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one, but
> again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very big
> or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a pre-form
> w/a shallow end. :-)
>
> I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought last
> year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper for
> them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
easy
> target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
surface
> for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
movement.
> This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
I'll
> probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
>
> Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
>
> TIA,
> LeeAnne
>
>
>

Use EPDM liner. It's cheaper and you can shape it exactly the way you want.

As for filtration, put a trickle tower in the shallow end, maybe sitting on
a flat rock so it's out of the water. The only filtration I have in my
small (6'x4'x2.5' deep) pond is a plastic bucket of pea gravel that the 100
GPM pump is buried in and a three gallon terra cotta pot 'trickle tower',
also full of pea gravel, that I plant things in (snapdragons right now).
The hose from the pump goes up the drain hole in the pot and drains back
into the pond. The fish are happy and the water is clear.

[Lee B.]

How about plunking in a pre-form, but creating a small "stream" running to
it for the birds to bathe? The "head stream" could be a shallow depression
with the water burbling up and out of the ground, flowing through a river
rock lined stream, dumping into the preform . . . a little woodlands theme?
Most pre-forms are only 18" deep, but it would give your fish a little more
safety.

Lee

"LeeAnne" > wrote in message
...
> It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
and
> useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
>
> It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> wealth of info!
>
> I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
now,
> about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from there
> comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow bird
> bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one, but
> again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very big
> or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a pre-form
> w/a shallow end. :-)
>
> I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought last
> year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper for
> them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
easy
> target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
surface
> for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
movement.
> This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
I'll
> probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
>
> Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
>
> TIA,
> LeeAnne
>
>
>

[Lee B.]

How about plunking in a pre-form, but creating a small "stream" running to
it for the birds to bathe? The "head stream" could be a shallow depression
with the water burbling up and out of the ground, flowing through a river
rock lined stream, dumping into the preform . . . a little woodlands theme?
Most pre-forms are only 18" deep, but it would give your fish a little more
safety.

Lee

"LeeAnne" > wrote in message
...
> It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
and
> useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
>
> It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> wealth of info!
>
> I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
now,
> about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from there
> comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow bird
> bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one, but
> again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very big
> or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a pre-form
> w/a shallow end. :-)
>
> I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought last
> year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper for
> them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
easy
> target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
surface
> for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
movement.
> This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
I'll
> probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
>
> Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
>
> TIA,
> LeeAnne
>
>
>

[Snooze]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> kathy - (who is supposed to be studying math to
> pass a teacher skills test and finding ways to avoid confronting the
concept of
> parallel polygonal ends, sounds rude to me ;-)
>

I was always the guy that sat in the back of the classroom, and as such I
have a question for you. What geometric figure from the limit of a regular
polygon as the number of sides approach infinity?

answer is below.































answer: circle

[Snooze]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> kathy - (who is supposed to be studying math to
> pass a teacher skills test and finding ways to avoid confronting the
concept of
> parallel polygonal ends, sounds rude to me ;-)
>

I was always the guy that sat in the back of the classroom, and as such I
have a question for you. What geometric figure from the limit of a regular
polygon as the number of sides approach infinity?

answer is below.































answer: circle

[Ka30P]

Snooze wrote >>What geometric figure from the limit of a regular
polygon as the number of sides approach infinity?<<

Are you kidding???
I asked one of the seniors in high school who lives at my house and he said,
'circle'.
Checked the answer and danged if he wasn't right! I may not be a math whiz but
I can raise them.... (with help of engineer DH gene pool!)


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Snooze wrote >>What geometric figure from the limit of a regular
polygon as the number of sides approach infinity?<<

Are you kidding???
I asked one of the seniors in high school who lives at my house and he said,
'circle'.
Checked the answer and danged if he wasn't right! I may not be a math whiz but
I can raise them.... (with help of engineer DH gene pool!)


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[RichToyBox]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Hmmmm...
> I haven't *seen* any preforms with shallow ends...
> I've seen one (a nursery pond) that has a shallow
> ridge running all around the edge to put plants in small pots on for sale.
I
> noticed that someone had one in their backyard here recently that showed
up on
> a webpage (I didn't think they were for sale to the general public).
> kathy - >
>
The one you saw was this one, I think. http://lamb.iswiz.com/pond.php
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

[RichToyBox]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Hmmmm...
> I haven't *seen* any preforms with shallow ends...
> I've seen one (a nursery pond) that has a shallow
> ridge running all around the edge to put plants in small pots on for sale.
I
> noticed that someone had one in their backyard here recently that showed
up on
> a webpage (I didn't think they were for sale to the general public).
> kathy - >
>
The one you saw was this one, I think. http://lamb.iswiz.com/pond.php
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

[Ka30P]

Rich wrote >>The one you saw was this one, I think. <A
HREF="http://lamb.iswiz.com/pond.php">http://lamb.iswiz.com/pond.php</A><<

Yes, that's the one.
Our nursery puts smaller potted aquatic
plants around the edges that are for sale.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Rich wrote >>The one you saw was this one, I think. <A
HREF="http://lamb.iswiz.com/pond.php">http://lamb.iswiz.com/pond.php</A><<

Yes, that's the one.
Our nursery puts smaller potted aquatic
plants around the edges that are for sale.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Snooze]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Snooze wrote >>What geometric figure from the limit of a regular
> polygon as the number of sides approach infinity?<<
>
> Are you kidding???
> I asked one of the seniors in high school who lives at my house and he
said,
> 'circle'.
> Checked the answer and danged if he wasn't right! I may not be a math whiz
but
> I can raise them.... (with help of engineer DH gene pool!)

The answer to the problem is not in the math, but in the understanding of
the question.
A regular polygon is a polygon that has all sides and angles the same.

4 sided regular polygon, will look like a square.
5 sided regular polygon, will look like a pentagon
6 sided regular polygon, will look like a hexagon
7 sided regular polygon, will look like a heptagon
8 sided regular polygon, will look like a octagon

By the time you get to an octagon, you can see that if the lines get smaller
and the angles between the 2 lines get wider that eventually it will look
like a circle.

[Snooze]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Snooze wrote >>What geometric figure from the limit of a regular
> polygon as the number of sides approach infinity?<<
>
> Are you kidding???
> I asked one of the seniors in high school who lives at my house and he
said,
> 'circle'.
> Checked the answer and danged if he wasn't right! I may not be a math whiz
but
> I can raise them.... (with help of engineer DH gene pool!)

The answer to the problem is not in the math, but in the understanding of
the question.
A regular polygon is a polygon that has all sides and angles the same.

4 sided regular polygon, will look like a square.
5 sided regular polygon, will look like a pentagon
6 sided regular polygon, will look like a hexagon
7 sided regular polygon, will look like a heptagon
8 sided regular polygon, will look like a octagon

By the time you get to an octagon, you can see that if the lines get smaller
and the angles between the 2 lines get wider that eventually it will look
like a circle.

[LeeAnne]

I don't really the room (nor the talent) to do something like that. :-(
I'm thinking of maybe getting a larger liner instead, digging the hole a bit
deeper and keeping it like it is, only a bit larger.
The possibilities are endless!

LeeAnne

"Lee B." > wrote in message
...
> How about plunking in a pre-form, but creating a small "stream" running to
> it for the birds to bathe? The "head stream" could be a shallow depression
> with the water burbling up and out of the ground, flowing through a river
> rock lined stream, dumping into the preform . . . a little woodlands
theme?
> Most pre-forms are only 18" deep, but it would give your fish a little
more
> safety.
>
> Lee
>
> "LeeAnne" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
> and
> > useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
> >
> > It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> > wealth of info!
> >
> > I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
> now,
> > about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from
there
> > comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> > preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow
bird
> > bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one,
but
> > again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very
big
> > or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a
pre-form
> > w/a shallow end. :-)
> >
> > I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought
last
> > year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper
for
> > them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
> easy
> > target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
> surface
> > for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
> movement.
> > This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> > fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
> I'll
> > probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
> >
> > Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
> >
> > TIA,
> > LeeAnne
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[LeeAnne]

I don't really the room (nor the talent) to do something like that. :-(
I'm thinking of maybe getting a larger liner instead, digging the hole a bit
deeper and keeping it like it is, only a bit larger.
The possibilities are endless!

LeeAnne

"Lee B." > wrote in message
...
> How about plunking in a pre-form, but creating a small "stream" running to
> it for the birds to bathe? The "head stream" could be a shallow depression
> with the water burbling up and out of the ground, flowing through a river
> rock lined stream, dumping into the preform . . . a little woodlands
theme?
> Most pre-forms are only 18" deep, but it would give your fish a little
more
> safety.
>
> Lee
>
> "LeeAnne" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
> and
> > useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
> >
> > It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> > wealth of info!
> >
> > I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
> now,
> > about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from
there
> > comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> > preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow
bird
> > bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one,
but
> > again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very
big
> > or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a
pre-form
> > w/a shallow end. :-)
> >
> > I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought
last
> > year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper
for
> > them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
> easy
> > target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
> surface
> > for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
> movement.
> > This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> > fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
> I'll
> > probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
> >
> > Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
> >
> > TIA,
> > LeeAnne
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

bird baths quickly become a bird sewer system.
birds carry diseases in their poop that infects and kills fish.
bird poop and goldfish are not compatible. put in a separate bird bath and net the
pond to keep the birds out of it for healthy fish. Ingrid

BUT I want a shallow bird
>I've got three small goldfish
>TIA,
>LeeAnne
>
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

bird baths quickly become a bird sewer system.
birds carry diseases in their poop that infects and kills fish.
bird poop and goldfish are not compatible. put in a separate bird bath and net the
pond to keep the birds out of it for healthy fish. Ingrid

BUT I want a shallow bird
>I've got three small goldfish
>TIA,
>LeeAnne
>
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Shay Devening]

Okay I just could not help but jump in here. Guess what is new from
MacCourt? They now have a 24 inch deep pre-formed pond and they also sell at
floating bird bath!
www.maccourt.com

"LeeAnne" > wrote in message
...
> It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
and
> useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
>
> It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> wealth of info!
>
> I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
now,
> about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from there
> comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow bird
> bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one, but
> again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very big
> or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a pre-form
> w/a shallow end. :-)
>
> I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought last
> year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper for
> them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
easy
> target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
surface
> for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
movement.
> This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
I'll
> probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
>
> Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
>
> TIA,
> LeeAnne
>
>
>

[Shay Devening]

Okay I just could not help but jump in here. Guess what is new from
MacCourt? They now have a 24 inch deep pre-formed pond and they also sell at
floating bird bath!
www.maccourt.com

"LeeAnne" > wrote in message
...
> It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
and
> useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
>
> It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> wealth of info!
>
> I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
now,
> about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from there
> comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow bird
> bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one, but
> again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very big
> or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a pre-form
> w/a shallow end. :-)
>
> I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought last
> year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper for
> them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
easy
> target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
surface
> for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
movement.
> This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
I'll
> probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
>
> Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
>
> TIA,
> LeeAnne
>
>
>

[LeeAnne]

HI Ingrid,

They did just fine last year, but I appreciate that information. It's not
that small that the bird poo will overtake the fish. I've also got plants
and a small filtration system to keep the water clean -- and it gets added
to daily, sometimes twice, during the hottest parts of summer since it's in
a very sunny spot and evaporation takes it's toll.

LeeAnne

> wrote in message
...
> bird baths quickly become a bird sewer system.
> birds carry diseases in their poop that infects and kills fish.
> bird poop and goldfish are not compatible. put in a separate bird bath
and net the
> pond to keep the birds out of it for healthy fish. Ingrid
>
> BUT I want a shallow bird
> >I've got three small goldfish
> >TIA,
> >LeeAnne
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[LeeAnne]

HI Ingrid,

They did just fine last year, but I appreciate that information. It's not
that small that the bird poo will overtake the fish. I've also got plants
and a small filtration system to keep the water clean -- and it gets added
to daily, sometimes twice, during the hottest parts of summer since it's in
a very sunny spot and evaporation takes it's toll.

LeeAnne

> wrote in message
...
> bird baths quickly become a bird sewer system.
> birds carry diseases in their poop that infects and kills fish.
> bird poop and goldfish are not compatible. put in a separate bird bath
and net the
> pond to keep the birds out of it for healthy fish. Ingrid
>
> BUT I want a shallow bird
> >I've got three small goldfish
> >TIA,
> >LeeAnne
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[LeeAnne]

Very interesting - I think that it may be too large though if the diameter
of it is almost 20", it would take up a heck of a lot of top space - I'll
have to see if I can find a dealer in my area that carries it so I can get a
look-see at it.

Thanks!


"Shay Devening" > wrote in message
...
> Okay I just could not help but jump in here. Guess what is new from
> MacCourt? They now have a 24 inch deep pre-formed pond and they also sell
at
> floating bird bath!
> www.maccourt.com
>
> "LeeAnne" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
> and
> > useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
> >
> > It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> > wealth of info!
> >
> > I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
> now,
> > about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from
there
> > comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> > preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow
bird
> > bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one,
but
> > again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very
big
> > or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a
pre-form
> > w/a shallow end. :-)
> >
> > I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought
last
> > year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper
for
> > them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
> easy
> > target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
> surface
> > for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
> movement.
> > This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> > fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
> I'll
> > probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
> >
> > Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
> >
> > TIA,
> > LeeAnne
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[LeeAnne]

Very interesting - I think that it may be too large though if the diameter
of it is almost 20", it would take up a heck of a lot of top space - I'll
have to see if I can find a dealer in my area that carries it so I can get a
look-see at it.

Thanks!


"Shay Devening" > wrote in message
...
> Okay I just could not help but jump in here. Guess what is new from
> MacCourt? They now have a 24 inch deep pre-formed pond and they also sell
at
> floating bird bath!
> www.maccourt.com
>
> "LeeAnne" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It's that time of year again, when thoughts turn to ponds being unfrozen
> and
> > useable. Well, for me anyway w/a small one here near Boston.
> >
> > It's been a while since I've posted but you guys/gals have always been a
> > wealth of info!
> >
> > I'm thinking of expanding, I've got a shallow bird-pool going on right
> now,
> > about 4 feet long by 3 feet wide. It's only about 10" deep and from
there
> > comes up to a shallow end where the birds bathe. I want to put in a
> > preformed liner, dig a hole, plop it in, be done BUT I want a shallow
bird
> > bath end ... does such a thing exist in preform? I haven't found one,
but
> > again, you guys/gals are the experts. It's still not going to be very
big
> > or deep - it's in a small garden area. I guess I'm looking for a
pre-form
> > w/a shallow end. :-)
> >
> > I've got three small goldfish (they must have come on plant I bought
last
> > year since I didn't put them there) and I'd like it to be a bit deeper
for
> > them when I put them out, since they're so used to me now they'll be an
> easy
> > target for something to snack on, they'll probably come right to the
> surface
> > for Mr./Mrs Raccoon where last summer they took off at any sign of
> movement.
> > This was low maintenance last year, I've got no big filtration, just a
> > fountain w/a small filter attachment and I'd like to keep it that way.
> I'll
> > probably just have to buy a bigger fountain.
> >
> > Oh yes, and I'll be putting in plenty of plants!
> >
> > TIA,
> > LeeAnne
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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it doesnt matter how big your system is, how great your filtration. bird ****
contains parasites, bacteria and viruses that can cause disease and kill your fish.

It isnt JUST west nile virus .. for humans, here is a list of birds diseases for
people http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/animals/birds.htm
the list for fish is longer.
http://www.uaex.edu/biosecurity/producer/fish_farms.asp
INgrid

"LeeAnne" > wrote:
>They did just fine last year, but I appreciate that information. It's not
>that small that the bird poo will overtake the fish. I've also got plants
>and a small filtration system to keep the water clean -- and it gets added
>to daily, sometimes twice, during the hottest parts of summer since it's in
>a very sunny spot and evaporation takes it's toll.
>
>LeeAnne


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

it doesnt matter how big your system is, how great your filtration. bird ****
contains parasites, bacteria and viruses that can cause disease and kill your fish.

It isnt JUST west nile virus .. for humans, here is a list of birds diseases for
people http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/animals/birds.htm
the list for fish is longer.
http://www.uaex.edu/biosecurity/producer/fish_farms.asp
INgrid

"LeeAnne" > wrote:
>They did just fine last year, but I appreciate that information. It's not
>that small that the bird poo will overtake the fish. I've also got plants
>and a small filtration system to keep the water clean -- and it gets added
>to daily, sometimes twice, during the hottest parts of summer since it's in
>a very sunny spot and evaporation takes it's toll.
>
>LeeAnne


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.