Advise on submerged rocks - fish hide outs.

[A.N.Other]

I am thinking of adding some fairly large rocks in a "pile" to provide my
fish with some hide outs.
I have had problems with Great Blue herons and nothing I have done to date
seems to work.
I am reluctant to put the rocks in direct contact with the liner, would it
be Ok to put a layer of padding (probably old carpet) on top of the liner,
under the rocks.

other ideas would be welcome.
ANO

[joe]

I'd just put an extra piece or two of liner under the rock.


Joe

On 3/26/04 8:06 PM, "A.N.Other" > wrote:

> I am reluctant to put the rocks in direct contact with the liner, would it
> be Ok to put a layer of padding (probably old carpet) on top of the liner,
> under the rocks.



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[joe]

I'd just put an extra piece or two of liner under the rock.


Joe

On 3/26/04 8:06 PM, "A.N.Other" > wrote:

> I am reluctant to put the rocks in direct contact with the liner, would it
> be Ok to put a layer of padding (probably old carpet) on top of the liner,
> under the rocks.



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foam padding with piece of liner over the top.
netting keeps herons and other birds OUT.
Ingrid

"A.N.Other" > wrote:

>I am thinking of adding some fairly large rocks in a "pile" to provide my
>fish with some hide outs.
>I have had problems with Great Blue herons and nothing I have done to date
>seems to work.
>I am reluctant to put the rocks in direct contact with the liner, would it
>be Ok to put a layer of padding (probably old carpet) on top of the liner,
>under the rocks.
>
>other ideas would be welcome.
>ANO
>



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foam padding with piece of liner over the top.
netting keeps herons and other birds OUT.
Ingrid

"A.N.Other" > wrote:

>I am thinking of adding some fairly large rocks in a "pile" to provide my
>fish with some hide outs.
>I have had problems with Great Blue herons and nothing I have done to date
>seems to work.
>I am reluctant to put the rocks in direct contact with the liner, would it
>be Ok to put a layer of padding (probably old carpet) on top of the liner,
>under the rocks.
>
>other ideas would be welcome.
>ANO
>



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Gail Futoran]

"A.N.Other" > wrote in message
...
> I am thinking of adding some fairly large rocks in a
"pile" to provide my
> fish with some hide outs.
> I have had problems with Great Blue herons and nothing I
have done to date
> seems to work.
> I am reluctant to put the rocks in direct contact with the
liner, would it
> be Ok to put a layer of padding (probably old carpet) on
top of the liner,
> under the rocks.
>
> other ideas would be welcome.
> ANO

I use PVC pipe.

Gail

[Gail Futoran]

"A.N.Other" > wrote in message
...
> I am thinking of adding some fairly large rocks in a
"pile" to provide my
> fish with some hide outs.
> I have had problems with Great Blue herons and nothing I
have done to date
> seems to work.
> I am reluctant to put the rocks in direct contact with the
liner, would it
> be Ok to put a layer of padding (probably old carpet) on
top of the liner,
> under the rocks.
>
> other ideas would be welcome.
> ANO

I use PVC pipe.

Gail

[Ka30P]

My 'island' sits on top of two double
stacks of builder's brick. There are
four 'caves' for the fish. After years
the bricks are covered in green.
The top of the island is a 'oil filter'
shaped planter that is level with the
water. It is filled with iris and creeping
jenny.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

My 'island' sits on top of two double
stacks of builder's brick. There are
four 'caves' for the fish. After years
the bricks are covered in green.
The top of the island is a 'oil filter'
shaped planter that is level with the
water. It is filled with iris and creeping
jenny.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Jim Humphries]

If you do not net your pond you will lose fish frequently even with good
hiding places. After all, the heron need only be patient because the fish
cannot leave the pond area as they could in the wild.

--
Jim and Sara Humphries, Victoria, BC
"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> My 'island' sits on top of two double
> stacks of builder's brick. There are
> four 'caves' for the fish. After years
> the bricks are covered in green.
> The top of the island is a 'oil filter'
> shaped planter that is level with the
> water. It is filled with iris and creeping
> jenny.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Jim Humphries]

If you do not net your pond you will lose fish frequently even with good
hiding places. After all, the heron need only be patient because the fish
cannot leave the pond area as they could in the wild.

--
Jim and Sara Humphries, Victoria, BC
"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> My 'island' sits on top of two double
> stacks of builder's brick. There are
> four 'caves' for the fish. After years
> the bricks are covered in green.
> The top of the island is a 'oil filter'
> shaped planter that is level with the
> water. It is filled with iris and creeping
> jenny.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[A.N.Other]

"Jim Humphries" > wrote in message
news:Cfr9c.26591$R27.4517@pd7tw2no...
> If you do not net your pond you will lose fish frequently even with good
> hiding places. After all, the heron need only be patient because the fish
> cannot leave the pond area as they could in the wild.
>
> --
> Jim and Sara Humphries, Victoria, BC
> "Ka30P" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > My 'island' sits on top of two double
> > stacks of builder's brick. There are
> > four 'caves' for the fish. After years
> > the bricks are covered in green.
> > The top of the island is a 'oil filter'
> > shaped planter that is level with the
> > water. It is filled with iris and creeping
> > jenny.
> >
> >
> > kathy :-)
> > <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>
>
>
My pond was netted, but the bloody bird still got to the fish.
i was not around when it happened, but my neighbors who saw it happen said
that the heron just stood on the net and fished through it. They chased it
away a copuple of toimes, but it just flew up to the roof of my hoouse and
waited for them to leave.

[A.N.Other]

"Jim Humphries" > wrote in message
news:Cfr9c.26591$R27.4517@pd7tw2no...
> If you do not net your pond you will lose fish frequently even with good
> hiding places. After all, the heron need only be patient because the fish
> cannot leave the pond area as they could in the wild.
>
> --
> Jim and Sara Humphries, Victoria, BC
> "Ka30P" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > My 'island' sits on top of two double
> > stacks of builder's brick. There are
> > four 'caves' for the fish. After years
> > the bricks are covered in green.
> > The top of the island is a 'oil filter'
> > shaped planter that is level with the
> > water. It is filled with iris and creeping
> > jenny.
> >
> >
> > kathy :-)
> > <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>
>
>
My pond was netted, but the bloody bird still got to the fish.
i was not around when it happened, but my neighbors who saw it happen said
that the heron just stood on the net and fished through it. They chased it
away a copuple of toimes, but it just flew up to the roof of my hoouse and
waited for them to leave.

[Josh]

My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
(which is what I originally thought too) any comments?

"A.N.Other" > wrote in message >...
> "Jim Humphries" > wrote in message
> news:Cfr9c.26591$R27.4517@pd7tw2no...
> > If you do not net your pond you will lose fish frequently even with good
> > hiding places. After all, the heron need only be patient because the fish
> > cannot leave the pond area as they could in the wild.
> >
> > --
> > Jim and Sara Humphries, Victoria, BC
> > "Ka30P" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > My 'island' sits on top of two double
> > > stacks of builder's brick. There are
> > > four 'caves' for the fish. After years
> > > the bricks are covered in green.
> > > The top of the island is a 'oil filter'
> > > shaped planter that is level with the
> > > water. It is filled with iris and creeping
> > > jenny.
> > >
> > >
> > > kathy :-)
> > > <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>
> >
> >
> My pond was netted, but the bloody bird still got to the fish.
> i was not around when it happened, but my neighbors who saw it happen said
> that the heron just stood on the net and fished through it. They chased it
> away a copuple of toimes, but it just flew up to the roof of my hoouse and
> waited for them to leave.

[Josh]

My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
(which is what I originally thought too) any comments?

"A.N.Other" > wrote in message >...
> "Jim Humphries" > wrote in message
> news:Cfr9c.26591$R27.4517@pd7tw2no...
> > If you do not net your pond you will lose fish frequently even with good
> > hiding places. After all, the heron need only be patient because the fish
> > cannot leave the pond area as they could in the wild.
> >
> > --
> > Jim and Sara Humphries, Victoria, BC
> > "Ka30P" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > My 'island' sits on top of two double
> > > stacks of builder's brick. There are
> > > four 'caves' for the fish. After years
> > > the bricks are covered in green.
> > > The top of the island is a 'oil filter'
> > > shaped planter that is level with the
> > > water. It is filled with iris and creeping
> > > jenny.
> > >
> > >
> > > kathy :-)
> > > <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>
> >
> >
> My pond was netted, but the bloody bird still got to the fish.
> i was not around when it happened, but my neighbors who saw it happen said
> that the heron just stood on the net and fished through it. They chased it
> away a copuple of toimes, but it just flew up to the roof of my hoouse and
> waited for them to leave.

[joe]

Ah, the great debate. Many on this list say no rocks. It's way easier to
keep clean, and I would agree with that. On the other hand, looks kinda
sparse to my eyes. I put rocks in - but fairly large ones - no sand or
gravel type stuff. It's a compromise I can deal with. Never heard it
contributed to an algae problem though.

Just my HO

Joe

On 3/30/04 11:21 AM, "Josh" > wrote:

> My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
> on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
> several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
> (which is what I originally thought too) any comments?



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[joe]

Ah, the great debate. Many on this list say no rocks. It's way easier to
keep clean, and I would agree with that. On the other hand, looks kinda
sparse to my eyes. I put rocks in - but fairly large ones - no sand or
gravel type stuff. It's a compromise I can deal with. Never heard it
contributed to an algae problem though.

Just my HO

Joe

On 3/30/04 11:21 AM, "Josh" > wrote:

> My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
> on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
> several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
> (which is what I originally thought too) any comments?



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[BenignVanilla]

"Josh" > wrote in message
om...
> My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
> on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
> several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
> (which is what I originally thought too) any comments?
<snip>

There is a difference between a few nicely placed 'rocks' and a layer of
gravel or river rock. A bedding of small rocks provides lots of nooks and
crannies for plant matter to rot in. BTW, I despise sentences that end in
prepositions. IMHO, a bedding of rock looks nice, and I think the rotting
crannies theory is a bit overblown. I did have areas of pea gravel in my VF
to keep some pots standing upright, and I can tell you...it turned out to be
a mess, and would never do it again.

OK, so back to your point...A few big rocks in your pond will look nice,
natural and give your fishes a place in which to hide. HA, foiled that
prepisition!

--
BV.
Dangling his participle over ponds everywhere.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"Josh" > wrote in message
om...
> My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
> on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
> several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
> (which is what I originally thought too) any comments?
<snip>

There is a difference between a few nicely placed 'rocks' and a layer of
gravel or river rock. A bedding of small rocks provides lots of nooks and
crannies for plant matter to rot in. BTW, I despise sentences that end in
prepositions. IMHO, a bedding of rock looks nice, and I think the rotting
crannies theory is a bit overblown. I did have areas of pea gravel in my VF
to keep some pots standing upright, and I can tell you...it turned out to be
a mess, and would never do it again.

OK, so back to your point...A few big rocks in your pond will look nice,
natural and give your fishes a place in which to hide. HA, foiled that
prepisition!

--
BV.
Dangling his participle over ponds everywhere.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> Ah, the great debate. Many on this list say no rocks. It's way easier to
> keep clean, and I would agree with that. On the other hand, looks kinda
> sparse to my eyes. I put rocks in - but fairly large ones - no sand or
> gravel type stuff. It's a compromise I can deal with. Never heard it
> contributed to an algae problem though.
>
> Just my HO
<snip>

I'd add...big rocks provide more surface area for bio-pigs. Besides...what's
a little sweater algae.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> Ah, the great debate. Many on this list say no rocks. It's way easier to
> keep clean, and I would agree with that. On the other hand, looks kinda
> sparse to my eyes. I put rocks in - but fairly large ones - no sand or
> gravel type stuff. It's a compromise I can deal with. Never heard it
> contributed to an algae problem though.
>
> Just my HO
<snip>

I'd add...big rocks provide more surface area for bio-pigs. Besides...what's
a little sweater algae.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Janet]

Go read the thread titled "No Rocks!!!!" over at http://www.koivet.com and
you'll see why (complete with pictures) as to why so many say no rocks in
the pond...
Janet in rainy Niagara Falls,ON
--

"Josh" > wrote in message
om...
> My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
> on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
> several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
> (which is what I originally thought too) any comments?
>

[Janet]

Go read the thread titled "No Rocks!!!!" over at http://www.koivet.com and
you'll see why (complete with pictures) as to why so many say no rocks in
the pond...
Janet in rainy Niagara Falls,ON
--

"Josh" > wrote in message
om...
> My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
> on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
> several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
> (which is what I originally thought too) any comments?
>

[BenignVanilla]

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
>
> Go read the thread titled "No Rocks!!!!" over at http://www.koivet.com and
> you'll see why (complete with pictures) as to why so many say no rocks in
> the pond...
<snip>

Interesting thread, here it is BTW http://tinyurl.com/2kcvw. I have also
archived it at iheartmypond.com.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
>
> Go read the thread titled "No Rocks!!!!" over at http://www.koivet.com and
> you'll see why (complete with pictures) as to why so many say no rocks in
> the pond...
<snip>

Interesting thread, here it is BTW http://tinyurl.com/2kcvw. I have also
archived it at iheartmypond.com.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Janet]

That's a great idea to archive it BV! Hopefully new ponders will re-think
their choices after reading that thread. My own opinion is that rocks are
not all bad but one needs to make an informed decision and be prepared to
do massive cleanings at least twice a year, if not more often depending on
the fish load of the pond.

That said I have a 20+ foot liner stream covered in pea gravel and small
river rock. We just cleaned out our ponds this past weekend. We had a
minimal amount of pea gravel that had slid into the lower pond during the
winter. There was definitely sludge and gunk trapped in it, it was nasty! We
haven't cleaned the stream yet, that's planned for this weekend, I fully
expect the same...
Janet in "spring has sprung!" Niagara Falls, ON

--

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Go read the thread titled "No Rocks!!!!" over at http://www.koivet.com
and
> > you'll see why (complete with pictures) as to why so many say no rocks
in
> > the pond...
> <snip>
>
> Interesting thread, here it is BTW http://tinyurl.com/2kcvw. I have also
> archived it at iheartmypond.com.
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Janet]

That's a great idea to archive it BV! Hopefully new ponders will re-think
their choices after reading that thread. My own opinion is that rocks are
not all bad but one needs to make an informed decision and be prepared to
do massive cleanings at least twice a year, if not more often depending on
the fish load of the pond.

That said I have a 20+ foot liner stream covered in pea gravel and small
river rock. We just cleaned out our ponds this past weekend. We had a
minimal amount of pea gravel that had slid into the lower pond during the
winter. There was definitely sludge and gunk trapped in it, it was nasty! We
haven't cleaned the stream yet, that's planned for this weekend, I fully
expect the same...
Janet in "spring has sprung!" Niagara Falls, ON

--

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Go read the thread titled "No Rocks!!!!" over at http://www.koivet.com
and
> > you'll see why (complete with pictures) as to why so many say no rocks
in
> > the pond...
> <snip>
>
> Interesting thread, here it is BTW http://tinyurl.com/2kcvw. I have also
> archived it at iheartmypond.com.
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Josh]

Janet,

I looked and searched and googled and I couldn't find that article, is it missing?

"Janet" > wrote in message >...
> Go read the thread titled "No Rocks!!!!" over at http://www.koivet.com and
> you'll see why (complete with pictures) as to why so many say no rocks in
> the pond...
> Janet in rainy Niagara Falls,ON
> --
>
> "Josh" > wrote in message
> om...
> > My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
> > on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
> > several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
> > (which is what I originally thought too) any comments?
> >

[Josh]

Janet,

I looked and searched and googled and I couldn't find that article, is it missing?

"Janet" > wrote in message >...
> Go read the thread titled "No Rocks!!!!" over at http://www.koivet.com and
> you'll see why (complete with pictures) as to why so many say no rocks in
> the pond...
> Janet in rainy Niagara Falls,ON
> --
>
> "Josh" > wrote in message
> om...
> > My local pond store practically threatened to kill me if I put rocks
> > on the bottom of my pond saying I would never control the algea, but
> > several of you are talking about doing just that for hiding places
> > (which is what I originally thought too) any comments?
> >

[BenignVanilla]

"Josh" > wrote in message
m...
> Janet,
>
> I looked and searched and googled and I couldn't find that article, is it
missing?
<snip>

http://tinyurl.com/2kcvw.

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BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"Josh" > wrote in message
m...
> Janet,
>
> I looked and searched and googled and I couldn't find that article, is it
missing?
<snip>

http://tinyurl.com/2kcvw.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com