BZT or Scoop the Leaves Out

[BenignVanilla]

Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Lee B.]

Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things like
leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).

Lee

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
> Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Lee B.]

Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things like
leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).

Lee

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
> Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Nedra]

I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
First on my list for tomorrow.

Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
To insure the health of my fish?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Lee B." > wrote in message
...
> Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things like
> leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
>
> Lee
>
> "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> >
> > --
> > BV.
> > www.iheartmypond.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
First on my list for tomorrow.

Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
To insure the health of my fish?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Lee B." > wrote in message
...
> Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things like
> leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
>
> Lee
>
> "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> >
> > --
> > BV.
> > www.iheartmypond.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[RichToyBox]

If it didn't smell like rotten eggs, high in hydrogen sulfide, then the
koizyme won't hurt. If it smelled of H2S then it should have been treated
immediately with PP to neutralize the H2S.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> First on my list for tomorrow.
>
> Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> To insure the health of my fish?
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "Lee B." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
like
> > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> > >
> > > --
> > > BV.
> > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RichToyBox]

If it didn't smell like rotten eggs, high in hydrogen sulfide, then the
koizyme won't hurt. If it smelled of H2S then it should have been treated
immediately with PP to neutralize the H2S.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> First on my list for tomorrow.
>
> Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> To insure the health of my fish?
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "Lee B." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
like
> > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> > >
> > > --
> > > BV.
> > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

Rich, I didn't smell anything at all. I still haven't gotten alot
of it out of the pond. Also, I would never Ever use PP.
I am far too accident prone to try that stuff. In the morning
I'll put salt in the pond ... along with Koizyme. That is
about the extent of my medications :)

Water temp is 58 degrees... but we have a cold spell coming
in ... so, anybody's guess what it will be in the morning.

Thanks so much for your attempt to help this ole gal!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:yAoac.40368$K91.104354@attbi_s02...
> If it didn't smell like rotten eggs, high in hydrogen sulfide, then the
> koizyme won't hurt. If it smelled of H2S then it should have been treated
> immediately with PP to neutralize the H2S.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
>
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> > mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> > First on my list for tomorrow.
> >
> > Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> > To insure the health of my fish?
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "Lee B." > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
> like
> > > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > BV.
> > > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

Rich, I didn't smell anything at all. I still haven't gotten alot
of it out of the pond. Also, I would never Ever use PP.
I am far too accident prone to try that stuff. In the morning
I'll put salt in the pond ... along with Koizyme. That is
about the extent of my medications :)

Water temp is 58 degrees... but we have a cold spell coming
in ... so, anybody's guess what it will be in the morning.

Thanks so much for your attempt to help this ole gal!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:yAoac.40368$K91.104354@attbi_s02...
> If it didn't smell like rotten eggs, high in hydrogen sulfide, then the
> koizyme won't hurt. If it smelled of H2S then it should have been treated
> immediately with PP to neutralize the H2S.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
>
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> > mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> > First on my list for tomorrow.
> >
> > Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> > To insure the health of my fish?
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "Lee B." > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
> like
> > > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > BV.
> > > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Wayne]

Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out. I
just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom until
it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of the
pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the rake
and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and fan
rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
always seem to get out of the way. I did catch a large bullfrog the other
day when I was raking the pond. I took him down to Goose Creek, a few
hundred yards below my house.

The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't think
that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake. I
use a metal one with my preform just because that's the only one that I
have. Just thought that I would share. You people have certainly helped me
a lot, just by posting and my reading them. Good luck!

"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> First on my list for tomorrow.
>
> Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> To insure the health of my fish?
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "Lee B." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
like
> > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> > >
> > > --
> > > BV.
> > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Wayne]

Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out. I
just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom until
it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of the
pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the rake
and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and fan
rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
always seem to get out of the way. I did catch a large bullfrog the other
day when I was raking the pond. I took him down to Goose Creek, a few
hundred yards below my house.

The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't think
that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake. I
use a metal one with my preform just because that's the only one that I
have. Just thought that I would share. You people have certainly helped me
a lot, just by posting and my reading them. Good luck!

"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> First on my list for tomorrow.
>
> Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> To insure the health of my fish?
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "Lee B." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
like
> > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> > >
> > > --
> > > BV.
> > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Sue Walsh]

"Wayne" > wrote in message >...
> Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out. I
> just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom until
> it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of the
> pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the rake
> and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and fan
> rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> always seem to get out of the way.
> The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't think
> that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake...

> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > in pond filter...

Wayne, the "rake" idea sounds great. I have never done this but just
an added thought or two.

For small areas they make a smaller plastic version called a shrub
rake, which might do well in tight spots. These do have shorter
handles so one may need to extend the handle with another piece of
pole to reach some areas.

Also, Nedra I'd like to improvise on Wayne's rake idea. Cut a piece
of soft window screening to fit the rake shape attatching it with
something like fishing line or heavy coat thread to the underside of
the rake. I think now smaller pieces would not slip through the
tines. This might be a way to get the broken smaller pieces you
mentioned out. Water would still drain through the mesh and rake.
I've never done this but I bet it could work.

Of course if you have shelves along the edges of your pond all bets
are off :o)

Sue W

[Sue Walsh]

"Wayne" > wrote in message >...
> Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out. I
> just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom until
> it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of the
> pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the rake
> and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and fan
> rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> always seem to get out of the way.
> The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't think
> that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake...

> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > in pond filter...

Wayne, the "rake" idea sounds great. I have never done this but just
an added thought or two.

For small areas they make a smaller plastic version called a shrub
rake, which might do well in tight spots. These do have shorter
handles so one may need to extend the handle with another piece of
pole to reach some areas.

Also, Nedra I'd like to improvise on Wayne's rake idea. Cut a piece
of soft window screening to fit the rake shape attatching it with
something like fishing line or heavy coat thread to the underside of
the rake. I think now smaller pieces would not slip through the
tines. This might be a way to get the broken smaller pieces you
mentioned out. Water would still drain through the mesh and rake.
I've never done this but I bet it could work.

Of course if you have shelves along the edges of your pond all bets
are off :o)

Sue W

[Nedra]

But my pond is 2850 gallons and 3.4 deep where the parts of
leaves are. I have alot of trouble bending down to reach the
area... bad knees :( Today is cold and rainy so I'll go out with
the net as many times as I can stand it and continue to march.

Thanks for your advice though :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out. I
> just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom
until
> it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of the
> pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the rake
> and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and fan
> rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> always seem to get out of the way. I did catch a large bullfrog the other
> day when I was raking the pond. I took him down to Goose Creek, a few
> hundred yards below my house.
>
> The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't
think
> that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake. I
> use a metal one with my preform just because that's the only one that I
> have. Just thought that I would share. You people have certainly helped
me
> a lot, just by posting and my reading them. Good luck!
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> > mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> > First on my list for tomorrow.
> >
> > Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> > To insure the health of my fish?
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "Lee B." > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
> like
> > > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > BV.
> > > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

But my pond is 2850 gallons and 3.4 deep where the parts of
leaves are. I have alot of trouble bending down to reach the
area... bad knees :( Today is cold and rainy so I'll go out with
the net as many times as I can stand it and continue to march.

Thanks for your advice though :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out. I
> just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom
until
> it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of the
> pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the rake
> and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and fan
> rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> always seem to get out of the way. I did catch a large bullfrog the other
> day when I was raking the pond. I took him down to Goose Creek, a few
> hundred yards below my house.
>
> The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't
think
> that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake. I
> use a metal one with my preform just because that's the only one that I
> have. Just thought that I would share. You people have certainly helped
me
> a lot, just by posting and my reading them. Good luck!
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> > mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> > First on my list for tomorrow.
> >
> > Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> > To insure the health of my fish?
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "Lee B." > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
> like
> > > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > BV.
> > > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

Thanks, Sue. I think I'll just use the net. It is very fine and the
gunk will not sift through so badly... The fish spawned again
in the early morning so I have to do a water change due to
ammonia spike ... The koi
have grown alot in the last year .... most frequent water changes
are on the docket. Holy Cowwww.... Whatta spring :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Sue Walsh" > wrote in message
om...
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
>...
> > Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out.
I
> > just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom
until
> > it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of
the
> > pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the
rake
> > and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and
fan
> > rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> > slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> > always seem to get out of the way.
> > The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't
think
> > that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake...
>
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > > in pond filter...
>
> Wayne, the "rake" idea sounds great. I have never done this but just
> an added thought or two.
>
> For small areas they make a smaller plastic version called a shrub
> rake, which might do well in tight spots. These do have shorter
> handles so one may need to extend the handle with another piece of
> pole to reach some areas.
>
> Also, Nedra I'd like to improvise on Wayne's rake idea. Cut a piece
> of soft window screening to fit the rake shape attatching it with
> something like fishing line or heavy coat thread to the underside of
> the rake. I think now smaller pieces would not slip through the
> tines. This might be a way to get the broken smaller pieces you
> mentioned out. Water would still drain through the mesh and rake.
> I've never done this but I bet it could work.
>
> Of course if you have shelves along the edges of your pond all bets
> are off :o)
>
> Sue W

[Nedra]

Thanks, Sue. I think I'll just use the net. It is very fine and the
gunk will not sift through so badly... The fish spawned again
in the early morning so I have to do a water change due to
ammonia spike ... The koi
have grown alot in the last year .... most frequent water changes
are on the docket. Holy Cowwww.... Whatta spring :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Sue Walsh" > wrote in message
om...
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
>...
> > Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out.
I
> > just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom
until
> > it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of
the
> > pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the
rake
> > and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and
fan
> > rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> > slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> > always seem to get out of the way.
> > The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't
think
> > that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake...
>
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > > in pond filter...
>
> Wayne, the "rake" idea sounds great. I have never done this but just
> an added thought or two.
>
> For small areas they make a smaller plastic version called a shrub
> rake, which might do well in tight spots. These do have shorter
> handles so one may need to extend the handle with another piece of
> pole to reach some areas.
>
> Also, Nedra I'd like to improvise on Wayne's rake idea. Cut a piece
> of soft window screening to fit the rake shape attatching it with
> something like fishing line or heavy coat thread to the underside of
> the rake. I think now smaller pieces would not slip through the
> tines. This might be a way to get the broken smaller pieces you
> mentioned out. Water would still drain through the mesh and rake.
> I've never done this but I bet it could work.
>
> Of course if you have shelves along the edges of your pond all bets
> are off :o)
>
> Sue W

[Wayne]

"Sue Walsh" > wrote in message
om...
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
>...
> > Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out.
I
> > just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom
until
> > it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of
the
> > pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the
rake
> > and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and
fan
> > rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> > slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> > always seem to get out of the way.
> > The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't
think
> > that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake...
>
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > > in pond filter...
>
> Wayne, the "rake" idea sounds great. I have never done this but just
> an added thought or two.
>
> For small areas they make a smaller plastic version called a shrub
> rake, which might do well in tight spots. These do have shorter
> handles so one may need to extend the handle with another piece of
> pole to reach some areas.
>
> Also, Nedra I'd like to improvise on Wayne's rake idea. Cut a piece
> of soft window screening to fit the rake shape attatching it with
> something like fishing line or heavy coat thread to the underside of
> the rake. I think now smaller pieces would not slip through the
> tines. This might be a way to get the broken smaller pieces you
> mentioned out. Water would still drain through the mesh and rake.
> I've never done this but I bet it could work.
>
> Of course if you have shelves along the edges of your pond all bets
> are off :o)
>
> Sue W

Thanks for your improvision, Sue. That's what I like about this group.
Everyone is so helpful and I rarely see anyone showing poor netiquette.
Ponders are great!

[Wayne]

"Sue Walsh" > wrote in message
om...
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
>...
> > Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out.
I
> > just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom
until
> > it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of
the
> > pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the
rake
> > and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and
fan
> > rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> > slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> > always seem to get out of the way.
> > The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't
think
> > that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake...
>
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > > in pond filter...
>
> Wayne, the "rake" idea sounds great. I have never done this but just
> an added thought or two.
>
> For small areas they make a smaller plastic version called a shrub
> rake, which might do well in tight spots. These do have shorter
> handles so one may need to extend the handle with another piece of
> pole to reach some areas.
>
> Also, Nedra I'd like to improvise on Wayne's rake idea. Cut a piece
> of soft window screening to fit the rake shape attatching it with
> something like fishing line or heavy coat thread to the underside of
> the rake. I think now smaller pieces would not slip through the
> tines. This might be a way to get the broken smaller pieces you
> mentioned out. Water would still drain through the mesh and rake.
> I've never done this but I bet it could work.
>
> Of course if you have shelves along the edges of your pond all bets
> are off :o)
>
> Sue W

Thanks for your improvision, Sue. That's what I like about this group.
Everyone is so helpful and I rarely see anyone showing poor netiquette.
Ponders are great!

[Wayne]

You're welcome, Nedra! Good luck with everything this year. I'm anxious to
plant my garden now.... Zone 7A, Charlotte, NC.

"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> But my pond is 2850 gallons and 3.4 deep where the parts of
> leaves are. I have alot of trouble bending down to reach the
> area... bad knees :( Today is cold and rainy so I'll go out with
> the net as many times as I can stand it and continue to march.
>
> Thanks for your advice though :)
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out.
I
> > just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom
> until
> > it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of
the
> > pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the
rake
> > and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and
fan
> > rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> > slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> > always seem to get out of the way. I did catch a large bullfrog the
other
> > day when I was raking the pond. I took him down to Goose Creek, a few
> > hundred yards below my house.
> >
> > The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't
> think
> > that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake.
I
> > use a metal one with my preform just because that's the only one that I
> > have. Just thought that I would share. You people have certainly
helped
> me
> > a lot, just by posting and my reading them. Good luck!
> >
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > > in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> > > mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> > > First on my list for tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> > > To insure the health of my fish?
> > >
> > > Nedra
> > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> > >
> > > "Lee B." > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
> > like
> > > > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > > > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > >
> > > > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom
debris?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > BV.
> > > > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Wayne]

You're welcome, Nedra! Good luck with everything this year. I'm anxious to
plant my garden now.... Zone 7A, Charlotte, NC.

"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> But my pond is 2850 gallons and 3.4 deep where the parts of
> leaves are. I have alot of trouble bending down to reach the
> area... bad knees :( Today is cold and rainy so I'll go out with
> the net as many times as I can stand it and continue to march.
>
> Thanks for your advice though :)
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nedra, I have a small 220 gallon preform pond and I rake my leaves out.
I
> > just reach out to the middle, drag my fan rake gently along the bottom
> until
> > it reaches the edge and then I carefully pull it up along the side of
the
> > pond, being careful not to let the leaves slip between the end of the
rake
> > and the pond edge. The water neatly drains out through the leaves and
fan
> > rake blades and then I just dump the leaves into a bucket. If you do it
> > slowly, you won't make much of a disturbance in the water and the fish
> > always seem to get out of the way. I did catch a large bullfrog the
other
> > day when I was raking the pond. I took him down to Goose Creek, a few
> > hundred yards below my house.
> >
> > The rake approach works good on areas that you can reach. I wouldn't
> think
> > that it would hurt a pond liner, especially if you use a plastic rake.
I
> > use a metal one with my preform just because that's the only one that I
> > have. Just thought that I would share. You people have certainly
helped
> me
> > a lot, just by posting and my reading them. Good luck!
> >
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > I'm wondering how to remove a small pile of small pieces of
> > > leaves and general gunk that has collected right next to the
> > > in pond filter. I just noticed it today.... tried to scoop the
> > > mess out and ended up spreading it all over :(
> > > First on my list for tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Is it okay for me to use a dosage or two of the Koizyme?
> > > To insure the health of my fish?
> > >
> > > Nedra
> > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> > >
> > > "Lee B." > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Nope. Sorry - BZT works for poop and other "stuff", but large things
> > like
> > > > leaves should be removed well before they can decompose (think dead.
> > > > Rotting. Putrid. BAaad for fish).
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > >
> > > > "BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom
debris?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > BV.
> > > > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

OK Share holders! Time to remind our BV here that he can't go lazy on us!
BV, get the rubber shoes, the nets, etc and jump in to the pond and clean it
the old fashion way!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
> Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

OK Share holders! Time to remind our BV here that he can't go lazy on us!
BV, get the rubber shoes, the nets, etc and jump in to the pond and clean it
the old fashion way!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
> Is BZT a reasonable replacement for scooping out the bottom debris?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[BenignVanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> OK Share holders! Time to remind our BV here that he can't go lazy on us!
> BV, get the rubber shoes, the nets, etc and jump in to the pond and clean
it
> the old fashion way!
<snip>

I have been a-scoopin' for a few weeks now. A bit here, a bit there. The
water is nice and clear, but I still need to get plenty of leaves out. I
think I'll just have to jump in and bear it soon. I also need to get the
huge container with the lotus tubor out of the pond, so that will require
entrance as well.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> OK Share holders! Time to remind our BV here that he can't go lazy on us!
> BV, get the rubber shoes, the nets, etc and jump in to the pond and clean
it
> the old fashion way!
<snip>

I have been a-scoopin' for a few weeks now. A bit here, a bit there. The
water is nice and clear, but I still need to get plenty of leaves out. I
think I'll just have to jump in and bear it soon. I also need to get the
huge container with the lotus tubor out of the pond, so that will require
entrance as well.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[jammer]

I had a foul smell in the pond and the fish weren't looking happy. I
flooded the pond and hooked up the aireator. The pond and smell
cleared, but there sure is a lot of algea on the sides. But last year
by the time the tadpoles were grown, the sides were CLEAN. So i will
leave it eventhough it bugs me. I know there will be plenty of tad
food, anyway. I have maybe 4 weeks before the toads come out to play.

Goodie, goodie, goodie:)






On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:38:02 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:

>
>"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
>> OK Share holders! Time to remind our BV here that he can't go lazy
on us!
>> BV, get the rubber shoes, the nets, etc and jump in to the pond and
clean
>it
>> the old fashion way!
><snip>
>
>I have been a-scoopin' for a few weeks now. A bit here, a bit there.
The
>water is nice and clear, but I still need to get plenty of leaves
out. I
>think I'll just have to jump in and bear it soon. I also need to get
the
>huge container with the lotus tubor out of the pond, so that will
require
>entrance as well.

[jammer]

I had a foul smell in the pond and the fish weren't looking happy. I
flooded the pond and hooked up the aireator. The pond and smell
cleared, but there sure is a lot of algea on the sides. But last year
by the time the tadpoles were grown, the sides were CLEAN. So i will
leave it eventhough it bugs me. I know there will be plenty of tad
food, anyway. I have maybe 4 weeks before the toads come out to play.

Goodie, goodie, goodie:)






On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:38:02 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:

>
>"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
>> OK Share holders! Time to remind our BV here that he can't go lazy
on us!
>> BV, get the rubber shoes, the nets, etc and jump in to the pond and
clean
>it
>> the old fashion way!
><snip>
>
>I have been a-scoopin' for a few weeks now. A bit here, a bit there.
The
>water is nice and clear, but I still need to get plenty of leaves
out. I
>think I'll just have to jump in and bear it soon. I also need to get
the
>huge container with the lotus tubor out of the pond, so that will
require
>entrance as well.