Re: Advice sought from Pond People

[rtk]

SjT wrote:
.......
> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>
> I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
>
> Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>
> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> any of you guys have.

I don't think my website is going to be very helpful, but it does have
pics of several stages of building the pond.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/e/x/exk7/NewPondPage/NewPondPage.html

The lining doesn't get its creases out; the water pressure flattens them
and algae covers the whole thing, so you won't be aware of them.

I hope things start working out smoothly for you.

Ruth Kazez

p.s. Crossposting to football isn't a good idea.

[rtk]

SjT wrote:
.......
> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>
> I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
>
> Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>
> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> any of you guys have.

I don't think my website is going to be very helpful, but it does have
pics of several stages of building the pond.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/e/x/exk7/NewPondPage/NewPondPage.html

The lining doesn't get its creases out; the water pressure flattens them
and algae covers the whole thing, so you won't be aware of them.

I hope things start working out smoothly for you.

Ruth Kazez

p.s. Crossposting to football isn't a good idea.

[BenignVanilla]

"SjT" > wrote in message ...
> My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
> ****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
> bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
> before you get to the water level.

This is a typical problem when the pond is not level. As a result you have a
high side and a low side. You can solve this problem in a number of ways.

1) Tear the pond out and re-do it. Be sure to level the pond edge either
using a waterlevel, or my preference, a nice straight 2x4 and a carpenters
level. A level hole can be filled to the rim, hiding your liner.

2) Use floating or emergent plants in the are of the visible liner, and use
a piece of fishing line across the pond to keep the plants in that area. The
fishing line will be invisible and the dense plant growth will hide the
liner.

3) Plant terrestrial plants that cascade. I have an area of visible liner on
my VF. I planted some mint about that area, and by mid-spring, you can't see
anything but cascades of green leaves, in search of the pond water below.

> Also, all the liner is creased round the corners, there's big pockets
> for frogs to get in and shag, and leave tabioca everywhere.

With an odd-shaped pond this is nearly impossible to avoid. Embrace it.
Allow it to get covered in algae and become part of the pond surface.

> I am not happy :(

Most Porgs are constantly changing their pond. Don't be unhappy, be driven
to make it better.

> So i'm gonna re-do it right now!
>
> Anyone know the best method on getting a pond level on sloped ground?
<snip>
> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> any of you guys have.

My site is Iheartmypond.com. It is not as extensive as some of the others
(YET!) but it's getting there.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"SjT" > wrote in message ...
> My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
> ****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
> bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
> before you get to the water level.

This is a typical problem when the pond is not level. As a result you have a
high side and a low side. You can solve this problem in a number of ways.

1) Tear the pond out and re-do it. Be sure to level the pond edge either
using a waterlevel, or my preference, a nice straight 2x4 and a carpenters
level. A level hole can be filled to the rim, hiding your liner.

2) Use floating or emergent plants in the are of the visible liner, and use
a piece of fishing line across the pond to keep the plants in that area. The
fishing line will be invisible and the dense plant growth will hide the
liner.

3) Plant terrestrial plants that cascade. I have an area of visible liner on
my VF. I planted some mint about that area, and by mid-spring, you can't see
anything but cascades of green leaves, in search of the pond water below.

> Also, all the liner is creased round the corners, there's big pockets
> for frogs to get in and shag, and leave tabioca everywhere.

With an odd-shaped pond this is nearly impossible to avoid. Embrace it.
Allow it to get covered in algae and become part of the pond surface.

> I am not happy :(

Most Porgs are constantly changing their pond. Don't be unhappy, be driven
to make it better.

> So i'm gonna re-do it right now!
>
> Anyone know the best method on getting a pond level on sloped ground?
<snip>
> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> any of you guys have.

My site is Iheartmypond.com. It is not as extensive as some of the others
(YET!) but it's getting there.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Bob H]

Once you get it level using one of the methods cited, take the edge, dig it
out about 1' back from the pond, 6"-1' down, lay the liner into the
resulting L set the brick into the L and you will be able to fill your pond
to the rim with no exposed liner.....
_______soil
^^^^^^^(^^^I
( Brick Space
_(__I
I
I
Pond


"SjT" > wrote in message ...
> My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
> ****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
> bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
> before you get to the water level.
>
> Also, all the liner is creased round the corners, there's big pockets
> for frogs to get in and shag, and leave tabioca everywhere.
>
> I am not happy :(
>
> So i'm gonna re-do it right now!
>
> Anyone know the best method on getting a pond level on sloped ground?
>
> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>
> I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
>
> Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>
> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> any of you guys have.
>
> --
> Joe's Nunn out, out

[Bob H]

Once you get it level using one of the methods cited, take the edge, dig it
out about 1' back from the pond, 6"-1' down, lay the liner into the
resulting L set the brick into the L and you will be able to fill your pond
to the rim with no exposed liner.....
_______soil
^^^^^^^(^^^I
( Brick Space
_(__I
I
I
Pond


"SjT" > wrote in message ...
> My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
> ****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
> bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
> before you get to the water level.
>
> Also, all the liner is creased round the corners, there's big pockets
> for frogs to get in and shag, and leave tabioca everywhere.
>
> I am not happy :(
>
> So i'm gonna re-do it right now!
>
> Anyone know the best method on getting a pond level on sloped ground?
>
> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>
> I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
>
> Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>
> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> any of you guys have.
>
> --
> Joe's Nunn out, out

[Karl]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:24:43 GMT, (SjT) wrote:

>My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
>****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
>bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
>before you get to the water level.

<snip>

>Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
>the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>
>If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
>any of you guys have.
>
>--
>Joe's Nunn out, out


Hello,

My pond is built on a slight "slope" and I have used half submerged
rocks to hide the liner at the back of it. You can see my pond at the
website below (click on The Garden Pond or My Own Pond),

Best wishes,
Karl
http://jump.to/gardenponds
http://www.karlbaker.freeserve.co.uk

[Karl]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:24:43 GMT, (SjT) wrote:

>My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
>****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
>bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
>before you get to the water level.

<snip>

>Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
>the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>
>If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
>any of you guys have.
>
>--
>Joe's Nunn out, out


Hello,

My pond is built on a slight "slope" and I have used half submerged
rocks to hide the liner at the back of it. You can see my pond at the
website below (click on The Garden Pond or My Own Pond),

Best wishes,
Karl
http://jump.to/gardenponds
http://www.karlbaker.freeserve.co.uk

[Nedra]

Lovely Pond, Karl! How you must enjoy it ...

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Karl" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:24:43 GMT, (SjT) wrote:
>
> >My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
> >****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
> >bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
> >before you get to the water level.
>
> <snip>
>
> >Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> >the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
> >
> >If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> >any of you guys have.
> >
> >--
> >Joe's Nunn out, out
>
>
> Hello,
>
> My pond is built on a slight "slope" and I have used half submerged
> rocks to hide the liner at the back of it. You can see my pond at the
> website below (click on The Garden Pond or My Own Pond),
>
> Best wishes,
> Karl
> http://jump.to/gardenponds
> http://www.karlbaker.freeserve.co.uk
>

[Nedra]

Lovely Pond, Karl! How you must enjoy it ...

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Karl" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:24:43 GMT, (SjT) wrote:
>
> >My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
> >****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
> >bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
> >before you get to the water level.
>
> <snip>
>
> >Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> >the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
> >
> >If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> >any of you guys have.
> >
> >--
> >Joe's Nunn out, out
>
>
> Hello,
>
> My pond is built on a slight "slope" and I have used half submerged
> rocks to hide the liner at the back of it. You can see my pond at the
> website below (click on The Garden Pond or My Own Pond),
>
> Best wishes,
> Karl
> http://jump.to/gardenponds
> http://www.karlbaker.freeserve.co.uk
>

[Peggy]

Go to your local hardware store and buy a line level and a ball of string
that does not stretch. You can suspend the line level on the string above
the pond and find out just much you have to bring up the low side. Put a
series of stakes around the pond higher than you know you need to go. run
the string across with this little level on it and when the bubble is in the
middle mark the stake at the height you need to bring the low side up to.

I had the same problem when I built my pond and built a dirt/rock berm for
the low side but have since put in a retaining wall to get rid of the rocks.
It was always a guessing game as to whether I would fall into or out of the
pond while doing maintenance.

Good luck and let us know how you make out.


"SjT" > wrote in message ...
> My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
> ****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
> bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
> before you get to the water level.
>
> Also, all the liner is creased round the corners, there's big pockets
> for frogs to get in and shag, and leave tabioca everywhere.
>
> I am not happy :(
>
> So i'm gonna re-do it right now!
>
> Anyone know the best method on getting a pond level on sloped ground?
>
> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>
> I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
>
> Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>
> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> any of you guys have.
>
> --
> Joe's Nunn out, out

[Peggy]

Go to your local hardware store and buy a line level and a ball of string
that does not stretch. You can suspend the line level on the string above
the pond and find out just much you have to bring up the low side. Put a
series of stakes around the pond higher than you know you need to go. run
the string across with this little level on it and when the bubble is in the
middle mark the stake at the height you need to bring the low side up to.

I had the same problem when I built my pond and built a dirt/rock berm for
the low side but have since put in a retaining wall to get rid of the rocks.
It was always a guessing game as to whether I would fall into or out of the
pond while doing maintenance.

Good luck and let us know how you make out.


"SjT" > wrote in message ...
> My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
> ****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
> bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
> before you get to the water level.
>
> Also, all the liner is creased round the corners, there's big pockets
> for frogs to get in and shag, and leave tabioca everywhere.
>
> I am not happy :(
>
> So i'm gonna re-do it right now!
>
> Anyone know the best method on getting a pond level on sloped ground?
>
> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>
> I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
>
> Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>
> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> any of you guys have.
>
> --
> Joe's Nunn out, out

[Ben Nunn]

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in message
who said:
> Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
> forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
> people have made on their own.
>
> I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to rush
> it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit beside in
> the sun :)


You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.

Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there too.

BTN

[Ben Nunn]

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in message
who said:
> Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
> forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
> people have made on their own.
>
> I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to rush
> it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit beside in
> the sun :)


You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.

Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there too.

BTN

[[email protected]]

here is how to set rocks to hide the liner edge and secure the liner
http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/etc/lineredge.gif

(SjT) wrote:

>Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
>forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
>people have made on their own.
>
>I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to rush
>it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit beside in
>the sun :)
>
>Thanks again.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

here is how to set rocks to hide the liner edge and secure the liner
http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/etc/lineredge.gif

(SjT) wrote:

>Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
>forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
>people have made on their own.
>
>I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to rush
>it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit beside in
>the sun :)
>
>Thanks again.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[BenignVanilla]

"Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
...
> Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in message
> who said:
> > Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
> > forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
> > people have made on their own.
> >
> > I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to rush
> > it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit beside in
> > the sun :)
>
>
> You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
>
> Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there too.

Instant El Plonko.

[BenignVanilla]

"Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
...
> Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in message
> who said:
> > Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
> > forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
> > people have made on their own.
> >
> > I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to rush
> > it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit beside in
> > the sun :)
>
>
> You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
>
> Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there too.

Instant El Plonko.

[Joe Horowitz]

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
> >
> > Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there too.
>
> Instant El Plonko.

That's a shame. Benign vanilla is Ben's favouritest thing in the whole world.

Joe
--
PUSSY! (Marc of respect)

[Joe Horowitz]

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
> >
> > Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there too.
>
> Instant El Plonko.

That's a shame. Benign vanilla is Ben's favouritest thing in the whole world.

Joe
--
PUSSY! (Marc of respect)

[Strawberry]

On the Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:24:43 GMT, SjT uttered forth the following...
> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>
Buy some Barley straw from your local aquatic centre and chuck a bag
into your pond. The water won't go green and it kills off the blanket
weed. As the straw rots it gives off bacteria that eat the blanket weed
etc. :)

[Strawberry]

On the Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:24:43 GMT, SjT uttered forth the following...
> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>
Buy some Barley straw from your local aquatic centre and chuck a bag
into your pond. The water won't go green and it kills off the blanket
weed. As the straw rots it gives off bacteria that eat the blanket weed
etc. :)

[Wayne]

BV, he/she keeps changing the addy but if you check the message properties,
one and the same. Just another loser! Rather than a PLONK, I'm just going
to ignore him from now on.

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in message
> > who said:
> > > Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
> > > forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
> > > people have made on their own.
> > >
> > > I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to rush
> > > it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit beside in
> > > the sun :)
> >
> >
> > You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
> >
> > Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there too.
>
> Instant El Plonko.
>
>

[Wayne]

BV, he/she keeps changing the addy but if you check the message properties,
one and the same. Just another loser! Rather than a PLONK, I'm just going
to ignore him from now on.

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in message
> > who said:
> > > Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
> > > forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
> > > people have made on their own.
> > >
> > > I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to rush
> > > it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit beside in
> > > the sun :)
> >
> >
> > You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
> >
> > Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there too.
>
> Instant El Plonko.
>
>

[Ka30P]

Wayne wrote
>>Rather than a PLONK, I'm just going
to ignore him from now on.<<

Wayne, I searched my pond references and found a tried and true remedy for pond
trolls ~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Troll! We have a troll in the pond!
(apologies to Ms. Rowling ;-)
Quick, break out the emergency kit!

First isolate the troll to the filter,
get your fish net and your cattle prod.
Gently prod the troll in his nether
regions (for some reason pond trolls
are always male and the nether region
prod is always effective).
Apply the maximum electrical charge
to the prod.
The troll will then obligingly hop into
the net.
Ignore the howls that accompany the
electrical prod administration, (he deserves it).

Remove the troll, in the net, to an
isolation tank. Deposit in tank.
Remedies vary at this point. You
may choose the one that you feel
best fits your particular pond troll's
crimes:

1. Apply 100 pounds of pond salt and shrivel
the pond troll out of existence.
2. Apply triple the maximum dose of
potassium permanganate effectively nuking
the pond troll to the next dimension.
3. Apply several dozen leeches to the pond
troll thus depriving him of vital fluids. You will
have to dispose of empty pond troll skin but
it does well in the compost heap.

Good luck and good hunting!


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Wayne wrote
>>Rather than a PLONK, I'm just going
to ignore him from now on.<<

Wayne, I searched my pond references and found a tried and true remedy for pond
trolls ~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Troll! We have a troll in the pond!
(apologies to Ms. Rowling ;-)
Quick, break out the emergency kit!

First isolate the troll to the filter,
get your fish net and your cattle prod.
Gently prod the troll in his nether
regions (for some reason pond trolls
are always male and the nether region
prod is always effective).
Apply the maximum electrical charge
to the prod.
The troll will then obligingly hop into
the net.
Ignore the howls that accompany the
electrical prod administration, (he deserves it).

Remove the troll, in the net, to an
isolation tank. Deposit in tank.
Remedies vary at this point. You
may choose the one that you feel
best fits your particular pond troll's
crimes:

1. Apply 100 pounds of pond salt and shrivel
the pond troll out of existence.
2. Apply triple the maximum dose of
potassium permanganate effectively nuking
the pond troll to the next dimension.
3. Apply several dozen leeches to the pond
troll thus depriving him of vital fluids. You will
have to dispose of empty pond troll skin but
it does well in the compost heap.

Good luck and good hunting!


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Steve H]

While chewing away on uk.sport.football, "BenignVanilla"
> dribbled :

>
> "Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in
>> message who said:
>> > Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
>> > forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
>> > people have made on their own.
>> >
>> > I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to
>> > rush it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit
>> > beside in the sun :)
>>
>>
>> You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
>>
>> Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there
>> too.
>
> Instant El Plonko.
>
>
>

Why? Seemed a perfectly reasonable comment.

--
Steve

Oztips League Cup Winners 2003/2004

[Steve H]

While chewing away on uk.sport.football, "BenignVanilla"
> dribbled :

>
> "Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in
>> message who said:
>> > Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
>> > forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
>> > people have made on their own.
>> >
>> > I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to
>> > rush it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit
>> > beside in the sun :)
>>
>>
>> You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
>>
>> Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there
>> too.
>
> Instant El Plonko.
>
>
>

Why? Seemed a perfectly reasonable comment.

--
Steve

Oztips League Cup Winners 2003/2004

[Wayne]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne wrote
> >>Rather than a PLONK, I'm just going
> to ignore him from now on.<<
>
> Wayne, I searched my pond references and found a tried and true remedy for
pond
> trolls ~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Troll! We have a troll in the pond!
> (apologies to Ms. Rowling ;-)
> Quick, break out the emergency kit!
>
> First isolate the troll to the filter,
> get your fish net and your cattle prod.
> Gently prod the troll in his nether
> regions (for some reason pond trolls
> are always male and the nether region
> prod is always effective).
> Apply the maximum electrical charge
> to the prod.
> The troll will then obligingly hop into
> the net.
> Ignore the howls that accompany the
> electrical prod administration, (he deserves it).
>
> Remove the troll, in the net, to an
> isolation tank. Deposit in tank.
> Remedies vary at this point. You
> may choose the one that you feel
> best fits your particular pond troll's
> crimes:
>
> 1. Apply 100 pounds of pond salt and shrivel
> the pond troll out of existence.
> 2. Apply triple the maximum dose of
> potassium permanganate effectively nuking
> the pond troll to the next dimension.
> 3. Apply several dozen leeches to the pond
> troll thus depriving him of vital fluids. You will
> have to dispose of empty pond troll skin but
> it does well in the compost heap.
>
> Good luck and good hunting!
>

Very good, Kathy. I got a big laugh out of your reply. Have a great day!

[Wayne]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne wrote
> >>Rather than a PLONK, I'm just going
> to ignore him from now on.<<
>
> Wayne, I searched my pond references and found a tried and true remedy for
pond
> trolls ~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Troll! We have a troll in the pond!
> (apologies to Ms. Rowling ;-)
> Quick, break out the emergency kit!
>
> First isolate the troll to the filter,
> get your fish net and your cattle prod.
> Gently prod the troll in his nether
> regions (for some reason pond trolls
> are always male and the nether region
> prod is always effective).
> Apply the maximum electrical charge
> to the prod.
> The troll will then obligingly hop into
> the net.
> Ignore the howls that accompany the
> electrical prod administration, (he deserves it).
>
> Remove the troll, in the net, to an
> isolation tank. Deposit in tank.
> Remedies vary at this point. You
> may choose the one that you feel
> best fits your particular pond troll's
> crimes:
>
> 1. Apply 100 pounds of pond salt and shrivel
> the pond troll out of existence.
> 2. Apply triple the maximum dose of
> potassium permanganate effectively nuking
> the pond troll to the next dimension.
> 3. Apply several dozen leeches to the pond
> troll thus depriving him of vital fluids. You will
> have to dispose of empty pond troll skin but
> it does well in the compost heap.
>
> Good luck and good hunting!
>

Very good, Kathy. I got a big laugh out of your reply. Have a great day!

[Ka30P]

Wayne wrote << Very good, Kathy. I got a big laugh out of your reply. Have a
great day! >>

And I managed to avoid bill paying and doing battle with the insurance dragons
for a time.
Back at it...




kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Wayne wrote << Very good, Kathy. I got a big laugh out of your reply. Have a
great day! >>

And I managed to avoid bill paying and doing battle with the insurance dragons
for a time.
Back at it...




kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Wayne]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne wrote << Very good, Kathy. I got a big laugh out of your reply.
Have a
> great day! >>
>
> And I managed to avoid bill paying and doing battle with the insurance
dragons
> for a time.
> Back at it...
>
>
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

You ought to try some of these tax dragons that I'm battling....only two
weeks until tax day and it seems like it was only yesterday when I was doing
this last year <grrr>.

[Wayne]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne wrote << Very good, Kathy. I got a big laugh out of your reply.
Have a
> great day! >>
>
> And I managed to avoid bill paying and doing battle with the insurance
dragons
> for a time.
> Back at it...
>
>
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

You ought to try some of these tax dragons that I'm battling....only two
weeks until tax day and it seems like it was only yesterday when I was doing
this last year <grrr>.

[Ka30P]

ak! Tax dragons!
Outfitted mine DH in armor and sent him
forth to do those.
When it comes to tax dragons I prefer
to be the fair maiden and faint dead
away.



kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

ak! Tax dragons!
Outfitted mine DH in armor and sent him
forth to do those.
When it comes to tax dragons I prefer
to be the fair maiden and faint dead
away.



kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Moog]

"BenignVanilla" garbled some drivel on 01/04/2004:

>
> "Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in
> > message who said:
> > > Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
> > > forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
> > > people have made on their own.
> > >
> > > I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to
> > > rush it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit
> > > beside in the sun :)
> >
> >
> > You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
> >
> > Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there
> > too.
>
> Instant El Plonko.

Yes please. I'll try a glass.

--
Moog

[Moog]

"BenignVanilla" garbled some drivel on 01/04/2004:

>
> "Ben Nunn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was SjT ), in
> > message who said:
> > > Thanks everyone, you have been very helpful, i'm really looking
> > > forward to doing this now i've seen pictures of other ponds that
> > > people have made on their own.
> > >
> > > I'm not a very patient person, but, hopefully i can manage not to
> > > rush it like i did previously and have something worthy to sit
> > > beside in the sun :)
> >
> >
> > You could always sit beside one us, Skyjam.
> >
> > Think about it. You could suck us off while you were sitting there
> > too.
>
> Instant El Plonko.

Yes please. I'll try a glass.

--
Moog

[BenignVanilla]

"SjT" > wrote in message
...
> Baron Von Strawberry > sayed:
>
> >Buy some Barley straw from your local aquatic centre and chuck a bag
> >into your pond. The water won't go green and it kills off the blanket
> >weed. As the straw rots it gives off bacteria that eat the blanket weed
> >etc. :)

I don't know about it "giving off bacteria", but barley straw is often used
to compete with algae and clarify pond water.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[BenignVanilla]

"SjT" > wrote in message
...
> Baron Von Strawberry > sayed:
>
> >Buy some Barley straw from your local aquatic centre and chuck a bag
> >into your pond. The water won't go green and it kills off the blanket
> >weed. As the straw rots it gives off bacteria that eat the blanket weed
> >etc. :)

I don't know about it "giving off bacteria", but barley straw is often used
to compete with algae and clarify pond water.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Kullrad]

"Moog" > wrote in
:


>> > As for the bacteria bit ? I think the poster is a little confused -
>> > decaying organic material doesn't 'give off' bacteria - it is the
>> > action of bacteria already in the water that break the organic
>> > matter down into ammonia, this is further broken down by
>> > oxidisation to Nitrates and Nitrites. Certain levels of these are
>> > essential for a healthy pond, ammonia and nitrates provide food for
>> > aquatic plants - very high nitrates however will lead to very poor
>> > water quality and ultimately kill the pond. This is why you should
>> > prevent an over-accumulation of decaying leaves, fish **** and frog
>> > **** on the bottom of your pond - the smell of that black sludge
>> > from the depths of the pond is also equisitely disgusting.
>>
>> Whoo hoo! Who gives a ****.
>> Just fill it full on concrete and be done with it.
>> ****s.
>
> Put a ****ing Swing on it. It's better than a bit of water that cats
> **** in.

My cats would **** in it TBH.

--
Kullrad (14)
UKSF Best New Poster 2003

There's going to be knives!

[Kullrad]

"Moog" > wrote in
:


>> > As for the bacteria bit ? I think the poster is a little confused -
>> > decaying organic material doesn't 'give off' bacteria - it is the
>> > action of bacteria already in the water that break the organic
>> > matter down into ammonia, this is further broken down by
>> > oxidisation to Nitrates and Nitrites. Certain levels of these are
>> > essential for a healthy pond, ammonia and nitrates provide food for
>> > aquatic plants - very high nitrates however will lead to very poor
>> > water quality and ultimately kill the pond. This is why you should
>> > prevent an over-accumulation of decaying leaves, fish **** and frog
>> > **** on the bottom of your pond - the smell of that black sludge
>> > from the depths of the pond is also equisitely disgusting.
>>
>> Whoo hoo! Who gives a ****.
>> Just fill it full on concrete and be done with it.
>> ****s.
>
> Put a ****ing Swing on it. It's better than a bit of water that cats
> **** in.

My cats would **** in it TBH.

--
Kullrad (14)
UKSF Best New Poster 2003

There's going to be knives!

[Moog]

"Kullrad" garbled some drivel on 03/04/2004:

> "Moog" > wrote in
> :
>
>
> >> > As for the bacteria bit ? I think the poster is a little
> confused - >> > decaying organic material doesn't 'give off' bacteria
> - it is the >> > action of bacteria already in the water that break
> the organic >> > matter down into ammonia, this is further broken
> down by >> > oxidisation to Nitrates and Nitrites. Certain levels of
> these are >> > essential for a healthy pond, ammonia and nitrates
> provide food for >> > aquatic plants - very high nitrates however
> will lead to very poor >> > water quality and ultimately kill the
> pond. This is why you should >> > prevent an over-accumulation of
> decaying leaves, fish **** and frog >> > **** on the bottom of your
> pond - the smell of that black sludge >> > from the depths of the
> pond is also equisitely disgusting. >>
> >> Whoo hoo! Who gives a ****.
> >> Just fill it full on concrete and be done with it.
> >> ****s.
> >
> > Put a ****ing Swing on it. It's better than a bit of water that cats
> > **** in.
>
> My cats would **** in it TBH.

You feed them too much.

Maybe you should build a pond and hope they fall in and drown.

Use some stakes and liners though....you know the script.

--
Moog

[Moog]

"Kullrad" garbled some drivel on 03/04/2004:

> "Moog" > wrote in
> :
>
>
> >> > As for the bacteria bit ? I think the poster is a little
> confused - >> > decaying organic material doesn't 'give off' bacteria
> - it is the >> > action of bacteria already in the water that break
> the organic >> > matter down into ammonia, this is further broken
> down by >> > oxidisation to Nitrates and Nitrites. Certain levels of
> these are >> > essential for a healthy pond, ammonia and nitrates
> provide food for >> > aquatic plants - very high nitrates however
> will lead to very poor >> > water quality and ultimately kill the
> pond. This is why you should >> > prevent an over-accumulation of
> decaying leaves, fish **** and frog >> > **** on the bottom of your
> pond - the smell of that black sludge >> > from the depths of the
> pond is also equisitely disgusting. >>
> >> Whoo hoo! Who gives a ****.
> >> Just fill it full on concrete and be done with it.
> >> ****s.
> >
> > Put a ****ing Swing on it. It's better than a bit of water that cats
> > **** in.
>
> My cats would **** in it TBH.

You feed them too much.

Maybe you should build a pond and hope they fall in and drown.

Use some stakes and liners though....you know the script.

--
Moog

[Kullrad]

"Moog" > wrote in news:xn0dgkkwyayxy9019
@news.individual.net:

>> >> > As for the bacteria bit ? I think the poster is a little
>> confused - >> > decaying organic material doesn't 'give off' bacteria
>> - it is the >> > action of bacteria already in the water that break
>> the organic >> > matter down into ammonia, this is further broken
>> down by >> > oxidisation to Nitrates and Nitrites. Certain levels of
>> these are >> > essential for a healthy pond, ammonia and nitrates
>> provide food for >> > aquatic plants - very high nitrates however
>> will lead to very poor >> > water quality and ultimately kill the
>> pond. This is why you should >> > prevent an over-accumulation of
>> decaying leaves, fish **** and frog >> > **** on the bottom of your
>> pond - the smell of that black sludge >> > from the depths of the
>> pond is also equisitely disgusting. >>
>> >> Whoo hoo! Who gives a ****.
>> >> Just fill it full on concrete and be done with it.
>> >> ****s.
>> >
>> > Put a ****ing Swing on it. It's better than a bit of water that cats
>> > **** in.
>>
>> My cats would **** in it TBH.
>
> You feed them too much.
>
> Maybe you should build a pond and hope they fall in and drown.

I don't want my cats to drown, you insensitive ****. I love my cats.

> Use some stakes and liners though....you know the script.

Errrr can you read back the first line. I seem to have forgoten it.

--
Kullrad (14)
UKSF Best New Poster 2003

There's going to be knives!

[Kullrad]

"Moog" > wrote in news:xn0dgkkwyayxy9019
@news.individual.net:

>> >> > As for the bacteria bit ? I think the poster is a little
>> confused - >> > decaying organic material doesn't 'give off' bacteria
>> - it is the >> > action of bacteria already in the water that break
>> the organic >> > matter down into ammonia, this is further broken
>> down by >> > oxidisation to Nitrates and Nitrites. Certain levels of
>> these are >> > essential for a healthy pond, ammonia and nitrates
>> provide food for >> > aquatic plants - very high nitrates however
>> will lead to very poor >> > water quality and ultimately kill the
>> pond. This is why you should >> > prevent an over-accumulation of
>> decaying leaves, fish **** and frog >> > **** on the bottom of your
>> pond - the smell of that black sludge >> > from the depths of the
>> pond is also equisitely disgusting. >>
>> >> Whoo hoo! Who gives a ****.
>> >> Just fill it full on concrete and be done with it.
>> >> ****s.
>> >
>> > Put a ****ing Swing on it. It's better than a bit of water that cats
>> > **** in.
>>
>> My cats would **** in it TBH.
>
> You feed them too much.
>
> Maybe you should build a pond and hope they fall in and drown.

I don't want my cats to drown, you insensitive ****. I love my cats.

> Use some stakes and liners though....you know the script.

Errrr can you read back the first line. I seem to have forgoten it.

--
Kullrad (14)
UKSF Best New Poster 2003

There's going to be knives!

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

I have a picture of similar to what Bob H describes, on my webpage. Browse
thru the Lily Pond pictures, you'll see a black line between the gray brick
and the red. That's the liner. Water has 3" to cover the brick.

Ingrid, great diagram. :o)

Don't feed the trolls by cross posting, we don't want to attract them here.
~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

>On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:48:38 -0800, "Bob H" > wrote:

>Once you get it level using one of the methods cited, take the edge, dig it
>out about 1' back from the pond, 6"-1' down, lay the liner into the
>resulting L set the brick into the L and you will be able to fill your pond
>to the rim with no exposed liner.....
> _______soil
>^^^^^^^(^^^I
> ( Brick Space
> _(__I
> I
> I
>Pond
>
>
>"SjT" > wrote in message ...
>> My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
>> ****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
>> bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
>> before you get to the water level.
>>
>> Also, all the liner is creased round the corners, there's big pockets
>> for frogs to get in and shag, and leave tabioca everywhere.
>>
>> I am not happy :(
>>
>> So i'm gonna re-do it right now!
>>
>> Anyone know the best method on getting a pond level on sloped ground?
>>
>> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
>> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>>
>> I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
>>
>> Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
>> the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>>
>> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
>> any of you guys have.
>>
>> --
>> Joe's Nunn out, out
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

I have a picture of similar to what Bob H describes, on my webpage. Browse
thru the Lily Pond pictures, you'll see a black line between the gray brick
and the red. That's the liner. Water has 3" to cover the brick.

Ingrid, great diagram. :o)

Don't feed the trolls by cross posting, we don't want to attract them here.
~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

>On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:48:38 -0800, "Bob H" > wrote:

>Once you get it level using one of the methods cited, take the edge, dig it
>out about 1' back from the pond, 6"-1' down, lay the liner into the
>resulting L set the brick into the L and you will be able to fill your pond
>to the rim with no exposed liner.....
> _______soil
>^^^^^^^(^^^I
> ( Brick Space
> _(__I
> I
> I
>Pond
>
>
>"SjT" > wrote in message ...
>> My pond looks crap and i blame the earth for it! It's all on the
>> ****, the water is higher up one end than it is the other, and the
>> bricks look crap cause there's a massive amount of exposed liner
>> before you get to the water level.
>>
>> Also, all the liner is creased round the corners, there's big pockets
>> for frogs to get in and shag, and leave tabioca everywhere.
>>
>> I am not happy :(
>>
>> So i'm gonna re-do it right now!
>>
>> Anyone know the best method on getting a pond level on sloped ground?
>>
>> And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
>> of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
>>
>> I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
>>
>> Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
>> the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
>>
>> If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
>> any of you guys have.
>>
>> --
>> Joe's Nunn out, out
>

[George]

"rtk" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> SjT wrote:
> .......
> > And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> > of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
> >
> > I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
> >
> > Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> > the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
> >
> > If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> > any of you guys have.
>
> I don't think my website is going to be very helpful, but it does have
> pics of several stages of building the pond.
>
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/e/x/exk7/NewPondPage/NewPondPage.html
>
> The lining doesn't get its creases out; the water pressure flattens them
> and algae covers the whole thing, so you won't be aware of them.
>
> I hope things start working out smoothly for you.
>
> Ruth Kazez
>
> p.s. Crossposting to football isn't a good idea.
>

Use a line level, which can be had at any hardware store. Run a line across the
hole. Level it. Then measure down from the line to where you need to dig.
When the measurements match across the bottom, you are level, or at least level
enough.

[George]

"rtk" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> SjT wrote:
> .......
> > And how to stop the lining from creasing? (Does this affect the amount
> > of blanket weed if more creases are evident?)
> >
> > I think i didn't stretch it enough when i done it last time.
> >
> > Also what is the best way to build a pond that has water right up to
> > the brickwork so you cant see any of the lining?
> >
> > If this is too much help to ask for, i would appreciate any websites
> > any of you guys have.
>
> I don't think my website is going to be very helpful, but it does have
> pics of several stages of building the pond.
>
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/e/x/exk7/NewPondPage/NewPondPage.html
>
> The lining doesn't get its creases out; the water pressure flattens them
> and algae covers the whole thing, so you won't be aware of them.
>
> I hope things start working out smoothly for you.
>
> Ruth Kazez
>
> p.s. Crossposting to football isn't a good idea.
>

Use a line level, which can be had at any hardware store. Run a line across the
hole. Level it. Then measure down from the line to where you need to dig.
When the measurements match across the bottom, you are level, or at least level
enough.