snails air/water breathers/shipping

[Ka30P]

I zipped by a message and thought I got
the gist of it, on snails and water or air, then
got into the creationist thread, clicked on
the wrong button and crashed. (In the beginning
there was water, then God created land and all
the trouble began... hey, it rhymes!)
Anyway!
Some snails breath air, they come up to the surface,
load up on a lungful of air and head back down again.
Some snails 'breath' water. They have a gill that extracts
oxygen from the water.
The trick is knowing which snail you have (when shipping)
the best resource to ID snails that I have found to date is
my favorite little Golden Book PONDS. B&N usually carries
it but it is not being printed anymore. But thanks to the
internet B&N always has a listing for all the used bookstores
that carry it.
When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[jammer]

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?






On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
> wrote:

>> When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
>> half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.
>
>That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice
packs...
>
>I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water
was very cold. Although
>I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp
slowly before packing
>them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but
obviously I didn't lower
>the temp enough.
>
>Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,
this time with less
>icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I
wanted to make sure they
>didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,
and more air.
>
>DeAnna

[jammer]

I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
where the water wasn't.

Am i wrong?






On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
> wrote:

>> When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
>> half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.
>
>That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice
packs...
>
>I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water
was very cold. Although
>I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp
slowly before packing
>them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but
obviously I didn't lower
>the temp enough.
>
>Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,
this time with less
>icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I
wanted to make sure they
>didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,
and more air.
>
>DeAnna

[KenCo]

jammer wrote:
>
> I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
> where the water wasn't.
>
> Am i wrong?
>
>



you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.





>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>>When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
>>>half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.
>>
>>That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice
>
> packs...
>
>>I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water
>
> was very cold. Although
>
>>I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp
>
> slowly before packing
>
>>them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but
>
> obviously I didn't lower
>
>>the temp enough.
>>
>>Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,
>
> this time with less
>
>>icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I
>
> wanted to make sure they
>
>>didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,
>
> and more air.
>
>>DeAnna
>
>


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[KenCo]

jammer wrote:
>
> I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
> where the water wasn't.
>
> Am i wrong?
>
>



you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.





>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>>When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
>>>half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.
>>
>>That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping, ice
>
> packs...
>
>>I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water
>
> was very cold. Although
>
>>I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp
>
> slowly before packing
>
>>them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but
>
> obviously I didn't lower
>
>>the temp enough.
>>
>>Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,
>
> this time with less
>
>>icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I
>
> wanted to make sure they
>
>>didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,
>
> and more air.
>
>>DeAnna
>
>


--
--
http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold,
401-831-5739 cell 401-225-0556
Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators
Shipping to legal states/countries only!
Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps


Linux (SuSE 8.2) user #329121
Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the
sending of this contaminant free message We do concede
that a signicant number of electrons may have been
inconvenienced ;)

[jammer]

Did you hear that, DeAnna?



On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:38:08 -0400, KenCo > wrote:

>jammer wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
>> where the water wasn't.
>>
>> Am i wrong?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
>>>>half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.
>>>
>>>That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping,
ice
>>
>> packs...
>>
>>>I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water
>>
>> was very cold. Although
>>
>>>I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp
>>
>> slowly before packing
>>
>>>them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but
>>
>> obviously I didn't lower
>>
>>>the temp enough.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,
>>
>> this time with less
>>
>>>icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I
>>
>> wanted to make sure they
>>
>>>didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,
>>
>> and more air.
>>
>>>DeAnna
>>
>>
>
>
>--

[jammer]

Did you hear that, DeAnna?



On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:38:08 -0400, KenCo > wrote:

>jammer wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking less water since the one survivor was up in the bag
>> where the water wasn't.
>>
>> Am i wrong?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>you just need a few wet newspapers for snails.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Pond Newbie"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>When in doubt use a large bag, fill it half full of water and
>>>>half full of air, add an ice bag and ship the zippity option.
>>>
>>>That is about what I did... half water, half air, fast shipping,
ice
>>
>> packs...
>>
>>>I am thinking maybe too many ice packs, because she said the water
>>
>> was very cold. Although
>>
>>>I did put them in and out of the fridge to lower the water temp
>>
>> slowly before packing
>>
>>>them... so it would induce a type of hibernation or stasis... but
>>
>> obviously I didn't lower
>>
>>>the temp enough.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the suggestions and the prompt answer! I will try again,
>>
>> this time with less
>>
>>>icepacks (the post office said 2 days was "NOT guaranteed" so I
>>
>> wanted to make sure they
>>
>>>didn't cook in the Texas heat). Maybe a bigger bag, and more water,
>>
>> and more air.
>>
>>>DeAnna
>>
>>
>
>
>--

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Yup. Thanks to KenCo. :)
>
>It looks like there may soon be baby mystery (what I have learned are also called "apple")
>snails.

Nah. Not the same, mystery snails are dark to black and get the size of a
ping pong ball at best. Apple snails are golden and get the size of a
baseball and they would eat anacharis like candy. One ponder (Roark, I
believe) had a tree limb weeping into his pond and found the apple snails
stripped it.

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

>I may have to send LOTS of people snails if this keeps up!
>
>They are doing a fine job of scarfing all this nasty algae! And they haven't touched the
>plants. Nothing has, but my biggest koi, and he isn't eating any, just uprooting the ones
>potted in pea gravel. I topped them with larger stones, and that ended his digging fun.
>LOL. But no plants (even the anacharis) are being eaten. I guess that is a good thing! :)
>
>DeAnna

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Yup. Thanks to KenCo. :)
>
>It looks like there may soon be baby mystery (what I have learned are also called "apple")
>snails.

Nah. Not the same, mystery snails are dark to black and get the size of a
ping pong ball at best. Apple snails are golden and get the size of a
baseball and they would eat anacharis like candy. One ponder (Roark, I
believe) had a tree limb weeping into his pond and found the apple snails
stripped it.

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

>I may have to send LOTS of people snails if this keeps up!
>
>They are doing a fine job of scarfing all this nasty algae! And they haven't touched the
>plants. Nothing has, but my biggest koi, and he isn't eating any, just uprooting the ones
>potted in pea gravel. I topped them with larger stones, and that ended his digging fun.
>LOL. But no plants (even the anacharis) are being eaten. I guess that is a good thing! :)
>
>DeAnna

[Ka30P]

DeAnna,

I love snails.
I have a pondsill in my kitchen window sill.
It holds various critters from time to time.
Right now it has frog eggs in it.

But there are always some snails.
They feed on the algae fuzz that grows on the rocks and on the side.
And they lay eggs on the glass. When the sum comes through the glass you can
see the individual itty baby snails in the egg jell.
With a maginfiying glass you can see if even better.
Soon the little fellow start moving on their own.

I always throw in an empty snail shell that I've found in the pond filter so
they have some of the minerals they need for their shells.

When they get bigger they are fun to watch them eat their way across the glass.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

DeAnna,

I love snails.
I have a pondsill in my kitchen window sill.
It holds various critters from time to time.
Right now it has frog eggs in it.

But there are always some snails.
They feed on the algae fuzz that grows on the rocks and on the side.
And they lay eggs on the glass. When the sum comes through the glass you can
see the individual itty baby snails in the egg jell.
With a maginfiying glass you can see if even better.
Soon the little fellow start moving on their own.

I always throw in an empty snail shell that I've found in the pond filter so
they have some of the minerals they need for their shells.

When they get bigger they are fun to watch them eat their way across the glass.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>