tadpoles!!

[Lydia]

My young pond just dug last fall has tadpoles! Tons of them. They're soooo
tiny - maybe about 1/4 inch - and sooooo cute. No sign, however, of the
mosquito fish added shortly after the pond was finished last year. Do frogs
(the tadpole's parents) eat mosquito fish? Or if the mosquito fish ARE
still in there, will they eat the tadpoles? We have just the little type
frogs that are kind of a muddy green color, big voice from a small
couple-inch long body :). My husband saw one scatter into the pond and swim
down to the middle section out of sight one evening.

Lydia

[Ka30P]

Lydia wrote >> Do frogs
(the tadpole's parents) eat mosquito fish? Or if the mosquito fish ARE
still in there, will they eat the tadpoles? We have just the little type
frogs that are kind of a muddy green color, big voice from a small
couple-inch long body<<

Bullfrogs will eat any and all fish. But since you report small frogs they
don't sound like bullfrogs. Other predators can clean out your mosquito fish,
snakes come to mind, along with herons and kingfishers. But they still might be
there, everytime I swear a fish/frog/turtle is gone for good they show up later
to prove me wrong.
Mosquito fish will eat tadpoles but if you have tons of tadpoles they probably
won't get them all. Just remember to check your water quality as your
population booms.

Frog tadpoles are greenish-brown and will have wavy tails. Toad tadpoles will
be black with whip like tails. They all look alike at first but you'll be able
to tell the difference as they grow.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Lydia wrote >> Do frogs
(the tadpole's parents) eat mosquito fish? Or if the mosquito fish ARE
still in there, will they eat the tadpoles? We have just the little type
frogs that are kind of a muddy green color, big voice from a small
couple-inch long body<<

Bullfrogs will eat any and all fish. But since you report small frogs they
don't sound like bullfrogs. Other predators can clean out your mosquito fish,
snakes come to mind, along with herons and kingfishers. But they still might be
there, everytime I swear a fish/frog/turtle is gone for good they show up later
to prove me wrong.
Mosquito fish will eat tadpoles but if you have tons of tadpoles they probably
won't get them all. Just remember to check your water quality as your
population booms.

Frog tadpoles are greenish-brown and will have wavy tails. Toad tadpoles will
be black with whip like tails. They all look alike at first but you'll be able
to tell the difference as they grow.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[jammer]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:42:46 -0700, "Lydia"
> wrote:

>Thanks for the info, Kathy, I'm anxious to see them grow!
>
>Lydia

Then watch them disappear!

[jammer]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:42:46 -0700, "Lydia"
> wrote:

>Thanks for the info, Kathy, I'm anxious to see them grow!
>
>Lydia

Then watch them disappear!

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>I have a picture of one we spotted last year on my website
>http://home.comcast.net/~lyddie/visitor.htm .
>
>Lydia

Far as I know, no toad sticks to the side of things. Almost looks like one
of our Pacific Tree frogs. Where are you located Lydia?

If it was gambusia you had as mosquito eaters, I'd guess they're gone, as
they devour tadpole eggs. I had one, only one, in a kiddy pond the frogs
were using, and didn't get any frog eggs till I removed that fish.

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>I have a picture of one we spotted last year on my website
>http://home.comcast.net/~lyddie/visitor.htm .
>
>Lydia

Far as I know, no toad sticks to the side of things. Almost looks like one
of our Pacific Tree frogs. Where are you located Lydia?

If it was gambusia you had as mosquito eaters, I'd guess they're gone, as
they devour tadpole eggs. I had one, only one, in a kiddy pond the frogs
were using, and didn't get any frog eggs till I removed that fish.

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Lydia]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> >I have a picture of one we spotted last year on my website
> >http://home.comcast.net/~lyddie/visitor.htm .
> >
> >Lydia
>
> Far as I know, no toad sticks to the side of things. Almost looks like one
> of our Pacific Tree frogs. Where are you located Lydia?
>
> If it was gambusia you had as mosquito eaters, I'd guess they're gone, as
> they devour tadpole eggs. I had one, only one, in a kiddy pond the frogs
> were using, and didn't get any frog eggs till I removed that fish.
>
> ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

I'm just south of Seattle, Washington.

I think I agree that the (gambusia) mosquito fish *are* gone. The water is
really clear and we had nice, fairly warm temps last week, peaking at 80 on
Sunday. I was expecting that if they were in there we'd see them. We
certainly have the mosquitos already. But all we could see were the
tadpoles - no mosquito fish. So they must not have made it through the
winter :(. Funny that they lived in a Rubbermaid storage bin for a year
with NO care from me, but didn't thrive in a several hundred gallon pond...
especially for as tough as they're supposed to be. We'll see. Maybe there
are a few refugees hiding at the bottom somewhere.

Lydia

[Lydia]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> >I have a picture of one we spotted last year on my website
> >http://home.comcast.net/~lyddie/visitor.htm .
> >
> >Lydia
>
> Far as I know, no toad sticks to the side of things. Almost looks like one
> of our Pacific Tree frogs. Where are you located Lydia?
>
> If it was gambusia you had as mosquito eaters, I'd guess they're gone, as
> they devour tadpole eggs. I had one, only one, in a kiddy pond the frogs
> were using, and didn't get any frog eggs till I removed that fish.
>
> ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

I'm just south of Seattle, Washington.

I think I agree that the (gambusia) mosquito fish *are* gone. The water is
really clear and we had nice, fairly warm temps last week, peaking at 80 on
Sunday. I was expecting that if they were in there we'd see them. We
certainly have the mosquitos already. But all we could see were the
tadpoles - no mosquito fish. So they must not have made it through the
winter :(. Funny that they lived in a Rubbermaid storage bin for a year
with NO care from me, but didn't thrive in a several hundred gallon pond...
especially for as tough as they're supposed to be. We'll see. Maybe there
are a few refugees hiding at the bottom somewhere.

Lydia

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:04:39 -0700, "Lydia" >
wrote:

>I'm just south of Seattle, Washington.

Definitely Pacific Tree Frogs or Pacific Chorus Frogs. I believe there is a
difference, but not much. K30?

>I think I agree that the (gambusia) mosquito fish *are* gone. <snip>
>But all we could see were the tadpoles - no mosquito fish. <snip>
>Maybe there are a few refugees hiding at the bottom somewhere.
>Lydia

Oh I can pretty must guarantee they're gone as they'd be feasting on frog
spawn. Don't worry about the mosquitos, taddies eat the eggs & larvae too.
You'll just want to get some fish in there when the taddies leave. In my
frog/lily pond I wait till most of the taddies are good size and then put a
couple of fantail goldfish in, usually around the 1st of June, when I know
the temperatures are fairly stable. ~ jan



~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:04:39 -0700, "Lydia" >
wrote:

>I'm just south of Seattle, Washington.

Definitely Pacific Tree Frogs or Pacific Chorus Frogs. I believe there is a
difference, but not much. K30?

>I think I agree that the (gambusia) mosquito fish *are* gone. <snip>
>But all we could see were the tadpoles - no mosquito fish. <snip>
>Maybe there are a few refugees hiding at the bottom somewhere.
>Lydia

Oh I can pretty must guarantee they're gone as they'd be feasting on frog
spawn. Don't worry about the mosquitos, taddies eat the eggs & larvae too.
You'll just want to get some fish in there when the taddies leave. In my
frog/lily pond I wait till most of the taddies are good size and then put a
couple of fantail goldfish in, usually around the 1st of June, when I know
the temperatures are fairly stable. ~ jan



~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Ka30P]

jj wrote >>Definitely Pacific Tree Frogs or Pacific Chorus Frogs. I believe
there is a
difference, but not much. K30?<<

Basically they are one and the same.
Recently herpetologists have decided that they are Pacific Chorus Frogs.
They've historically been known as Pacific Treefrogs. They did
*electrophoretic* studies (whatever the heck that is - I think it is a way
blender up the frog and then to read dna) and they reclassified them from Hyla
(treefrogs) to Pseudacris (Chorus Frogs). But they still go by
both names.

And the frog doesn't care ;-)

They are 'successful in utilizing ephemeral (temporary) ponds for breeding,
they are able to avoid predation by fish and some amphibians which require
permanent water bodies of water' (bullfrogs (non-natives) and some
salamanders/newts).
All this info comes from AMPHIBIANS OF WASHINGTON AND OREGON and my untreatable
Barnes and Noble habit...


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

jj wrote >>Definitely Pacific Tree Frogs or Pacific Chorus Frogs. I believe
there is a
difference, but not much. K30?<<

Basically they are one and the same.
Recently herpetologists have decided that they are Pacific Chorus Frogs.
They've historically been known as Pacific Treefrogs. They did
*electrophoretic* studies (whatever the heck that is - I think it is a way
blender up the frog and then to read dna) and they reclassified them from Hyla
(treefrogs) to Pseudacris (Chorus Frogs). But they still go by
both names.

And the frog doesn't care ;-)

They are 'successful in utilizing ephemeral (temporary) ponds for breeding,
they are able to avoid predation by fish and some amphibians which require
permanent water bodies of water' (bullfrogs (non-natives) and some
salamanders/newts).
All this info comes from AMPHIBIANS OF WASHINGTON AND OREGON and my untreatable
Barnes and Noble habit...


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>jj wrote >>Definitely Pacific Tree Frogs or Pacific Chorus Frogs.

>K30 replied: they still go by both names.
>They are 'successful in utilizing ephemeral (temporary) ponds for breeding,
>they are able to avoid predation by fish and some amphibians which require
>permanent water bodies of water' (bullfrogs (non-natives) and some
>salamanders/newts).

Yes, I believe on the west side they're called something like, the dog-dish
frog? Because people find eggs in their dogs water dish in the morning?
~ jan


~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>jj wrote >>Definitely Pacific Tree Frogs or Pacific Chorus Frogs.

>K30 replied: they still go by both names.
>They are 'successful in utilizing ephemeral (temporary) ponds for breeding,
>they are able to avoid predation by fish and some amphibians which require
>permanent water bodies of water' (bullfrogs (non-natives) and some
>salamanders/newts).

Yes, I believe on the west side they're called something like, the dog-dish
frog? Because people find eggs in their dogs water dish in the morning?
~ jan


~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Ka30P]

jan wrote >>Yes, I believe on the west side they're called something like, the
dog-dish
frog? Because people find eggs in their dogs water dish in the morning?<<

chortle!
Dog-dish is a term we use around here to determine how you feel.
You are dog-dish if you feel awful.
And you are under the dog-dish if you are really
feeling bad.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

jan wrote >>Yes, I believe on the west side they're called something like, the
dog-dish
frog? Because people find eggs in their dogs water dish in the morning?<<

chortle!
Dog-dish is a term we use around here to determine how you feel.
You are dog-dish if you feel awful.
And you are under the dog-dish if you are really
feeling bad.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Nedra]

speaking of feeling lower than the dog dish ...
how is your son doing with the crutches?
Just imagine he is still in lots of pain.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> jan wrote >>Yes, I believe on the west side they're called something like,
the
> dog-dish
> frog? Because people find eggs in their dogs water dish in the morning?<<
>
> chortle!
> Dog-dish is a term we use around here to determine how you feel.
> You are dog-dish if you feel awful.
> And you are under the dog-dish if you are really
> feeling bad.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Nedra]

speaking of feeling lower than the dog dish ...
how is your son doing with the crutches?
Just imagine he is still in lots of pain.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> jan wrote >>Yes, I believe on the west side they're called something like,
the
> dog-dish
> frog? Because people find eggs in their dogs water dish in the morning?<<
>
> chortle!
> Dog-dish is a term we use around here to determine how you feel.
> You are dog-dish if you feel awful.
> And you are under the dog-dish if you are really
> feeling bad.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Nedra wrote ><< how is your son doing with the crutches?
Just imagine he is still in lots of pain. >>

Today was his second day back at school
and he sure is tired at the end of the day!
Luckily the middle school was remodeled recently and there is an elevator for
disabled students and equipment moving. So no stairs, thank goodness.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Nedra wrote ><< how is your son doing with the crutches?
Just imagine he is still in lots of pain. >>

Today was his second day back at school
and he sure is tired at the end of the day!
Luckily the middle school was remodeled recently and there is an elevator for
disabled students and equipment moving. So no stairs, thank goodness.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Nedra]

Thank Heavens for elevators! I know his after school snack
of warm chocolate chip cookies and cold milk brought a big smile
to his face.... in fact Kathy, it brings one to mine! :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Nedra wrote ><< how is your son doing with the crutches?
> Just imagine he is still in lots of pain. >>
>
> Today was his second day back at school
> and he sure is tired at the end of the day!
> Luckily the middle school was remodeled recently and there is an elevator
for
> disabled students and equipment moving. So no stairs, thank goodness.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Nedra]

Thank Heavens for elevators! I know his after school snack
of warm chocolate chip cookies and cold milk brought a big smile
to his face.... in fact Kathy, it brings one to mine! :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Nedra wrote ><< how is your son doing with the crutches?
> Just imagine he is still in lots of pain. >>
>
> Today was his second day back at school
> and he sure is tired at the end of the day!
> Luckily the middle school was remodeled recently and there is an elevator
for
> disabled students and equipment moving. So no stairs, thank goodness.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> jan wrote >>Yes, I believe on the west side they're called something like,
the
> dog-dish
> frog? Because people find eggs in their dogs water dish in the morning?<<
>
> chortle!
> Dog-dish is a term we use around here to determine how you feel.
> You are dog-dish if you feel awful.
> And you are under the dog-dish if you are really
> feeling bad.

We call that 'feelin' the horse' in my neck of the woods.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> jan wrote >>Yes, I believe on the west side they're called something like,
the
> dog-dish
> frog? Because people find eggs in their dogs water dish in the morning?<<
>
> chortle!
> Dog-dish is a term we use around here to determine how you feel.
> You are dog-dish if you feel awful.
> And you are under the dog-dish if you are really
> feeling bad.

We call that 'feelin' the horse' in my neck of the woods.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com