Fish Compatibility

[Craig Kaplan]

I have an Oceanic 58 gallon tank (established community) with the
following inhabitants:

1 Eibli Angelfish (Centropyge sp.) - 2.5 inches

1 Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens) - 2.5 inches

1 Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) - 3 inches

1 Teardrop Butterfly (Chaetodon unimaculatus) - 2.5 inches

2 Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea) - 1.5 inches and 2.5 inches

5 Green Chromis (Chromis caeruleus) - all between 1 and 2 inches

2 Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris) - 1 inch and 1.5 inches


All of them get along well and the tank looks great. I run copper in
the system in order to control parasites (because I do not have a
quarantine tank). Also, I have an 8 watt UV on the tank. I use a good
wet-dry and a protein skimmer for biological filtration.

The tank is running great and it looks great.

Now the question...

I would like to add a juvenile angelfish. My preference would be to
add an Emperor angelfish. My thinking would be to find one about the
same size as the Eibli. Or, would you think I should find one a
little larger?

I'm looking for fish I could add with minimal risk for aggression
(either way).

Also, I would be interested in any other suggestions you might have
concerning additional fish.

Thanks, in advance, for your suggestions.

ck

--

[Dragon Slayer]

you got to be kidding right???

you have way to many fish in that tank as it is.
not to be rude, but you need to do a lot more research on the fish you have
and their needs rather then thinking of adding more to the problem.

kc

"Craig Kaplan" > wrote in message
...
>
> I have an Oceanic 58 gallon tank (established community) with the
> following inhabitants:
>
> 1 Eibli Angelfish (Centropyge sp.) - 2.5 inches
>
> 1 Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens) - 2.5 inches
>
> 1 Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) - 3 inches
>
> 1 Teardrop Butterfly (Chaetodon unimaculatus) - 2.5 inches
>
> 2 Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea) - 1.5 inches and 2.5 inches
>
> 5 Green Chromis (Chromis caeruleus) - all between 1 and 2 inches
>
> 2 Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris) - 1 inch and 1.5 inches
>
>
> All of them get along well and the tank looks great. I run copper in
> the system in order to control parasites (because I do not have a
> quarantine tank). Also, I have an 8 watt UV on the tank. I use a good
> wet-dry and a protein skimmer for biological filtration.
>
> The tank is running great and it looks great.
>
> Now the question...
>
> I would like to add a juvenile angelfish. My preference would be to
> add an Emperor angelfish. My thinking would be to find one about the
> same size as the Eibli. Or, would you think I should find one a
> little larger?
>
> I'm looking for fish I could add with minimal risk for aggression
> (either way).
>
> Also, I would be interested in any other suggestions you might have
> concerning additional fish.
>
> Thanks, in advance, for your suggestions.
>
> ck
>
> --

[Craig Kaplan]

I appreciate your opinion, but I have been keeping marine fish since
1977. The wet dry is way over-sized and I do weekly water changes. I
am meticulous with my feeding and monitor all readings. There have
been no fluctuations and all of the inhabitants are thriving. I do not
believe in any substrate (because of the need to clean it so often). I
have done some things to increase the bioload of the system.

Like I said, I do appreciate your opinion. But, I was just asking the
question from the perspective of compatibility of the animals. I
realize that, as these fish grow, I will need to move some of them out.
I do know what you are saying, but right now the system will support
more of a load.

I'm not looking to pick a fight, but this is a case where we can
respect each other's opinion.

ck

In article >, Dragon Slayer
> wrote:

> you got to be kidding right???
>
> you have way to many fish in that tank as it is.
> not to be rude, but you need to do a lot more research on the fish you have
> and their needs rather then thinking of adding more to the problem.
>
> kc
>
> "Craig Kaplan" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I have an Oceanic 58 gallon tank (established community) with the
> > following inhabitants:
> >
> > 1 Eibli Angelfish (Centropyge sp.) - 2.5 inches
> >
> > 1 Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens) - 2.5 inches
> >
> > 1 Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) - 3 inches
> >
> > 1 Teardrop Butterfly (Chaetodon unimaculatus) - 2.5 inches
> >
> > 2 Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea) - 1.5 inches and 2.5 inches
> >
> > 5 Green Chromis (Chromis caeruleus) - all between 1 and 2 inches
> >
> > 2 Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris) - 1 inch and 1.5 inches
> >
> >
> > All of them get along well and the tank looks great. I run copper in
> > the system in order to control parasites (because I do not have a
> > quarantine tank). Also, I have an 8 watt UV on the tank. I use a good
> > wet-dry and a protein skimmer for biological filtration.
> >
> > The tank is running great and it looks great.
> >
> > Now the question...
> >
> > I would like to add a juvenile angelfish. My preference would be to
> > add an Emperor angelfish. My thinking would be to find one about the
> > same size as the Eibli. Or, would you think I should find one a
> > little larger?
> >
> > I'm looking for fish I could add with minimal risk for aggression
> > (either way).
> >
> > Also, I would be interested in any other suggestions you might have
> > concerning additional fish.
> >
> > Thanks, in advance, for your suggestions.
> >
> > ck
> >
> > --
>
>

[....]

How well do the chromis get along with the tanks other inhabitants, have you
had any problems with them forming a school?


> >
> > "Craig Kaplan" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > I have an Oceanic 58 gallon tank (established community) with the
> > > following inhabitants:
> > >
> > > 1 Eibli Angelfish (Centropyge sp.) - 2.5 inches
> > >
> > > 1 Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens) - 2.5 inches
> > >
> > > 1 Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) - 3 inches
> > >
> > > 1 Teardrop Butterfly (Chaetodon unimaculatus) - 2.5 inches
> > >
> > > 2 Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea) - 1.5 inches and 2.5 inches
> > >
> > > 5 Green Chromis (Chromis caeruleus) - all between 1 and 2 inches
> > >
> > > 2 Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris) - 1 inch and 1.5 inches
> > >
> > >

[Nick]

"Craig Kaplan" > wrote in message
...
>
> I appreciate your opinion, but I have been keeping marine fish since
> 1977. The wet dry is way over-sized and I do weekly water changes. I
> am meticulous with my feeding and monitor all readings. There have
> been no fluctuations and all of the inhabitants are thriving. I do not
> believe in any substrate (because of the need to clean it so often). I
> have done some things to increase the bioload of the system.
>
> Like I said, I do appreciate your opinion. But, I was just asking the
> question from the perspective of compatibility of the animals. I
> realize that, as these fish grow, I will need to move some of them out.
> I do know what you are saying, but right now the system will support
> more of a load.
>
> I'm not looking to pick a fight, but this is a case where we can
> respect each other's opinion.
>
> ck
>
> In article >, Dragon Slayer
> > wrote:
>
> > you got to be kidding right???
> >
> > you have way to many fish in that tank as it is.
> > not to be rude, but you need to do a lot more research on the fish you
have
> > and their needs rather then thinking of adding more to the problem.
> >
> > kc
> >
> > "Craig Kaplan" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > I have an Oceanic 58 gallon tank (established community) with the
> > > following inhabitants:
> > >
> > > 1 Eibli Angelfish (Centropyge sp.) - 2.5 inches
> > >
> > > 1 Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens) - 2.5 inches
> > >
> > > 1 Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) - 3 inches
> > >
> > > 1 Teardrop Butterfly (Chaetodon unimaculatus) - 2.5 inches
> > >
> > > 2 Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea) - 1.5 inches and 2.5 inches
> > >
> > > 5 Green Chromis (Chromis caeruleus) - all between 1 and 2 inches
> > >
> > > 2 Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris) - 1 inch and 1.5 inches
> > >
> > >
> > > All of them get along well and the tank looks great. I run copper in
> > > the system in order to control parasites (because I do not have a
> > > quarantine tank). Also, I have an 8 watt UV on the tank. I use a
good
> > > wet-dry and a protein skimmer for biological filtration.
> > >
> > > The tank is running great and it looks great.
> > >
> > > Now the question...
> > >
> > > I would like to add a juvenile angelfish. My preference would be to
> > > add an Emperor angelfish. My thinking would be to find one about the
> > > same size as the Eibli. Or, would you think I should find one a
> > > little larger?
> > >
> > > I'm looking for fish I could add with minimal risk for aggression
> > > (either way).
> > >
> > > Also, I would be interested in any other suggestions you might have
> > > concerning additional fish.
> > >
> > > Thanks, in advance, for your suggestions.
> > >
> > > ck
> > >
> > > --
> >
> >
I think Mr Slayer may have had concerns about the size of the environment
not just the filtration Craig,
I kept a 3" yellow tang and a 4"+ emperor in a UK 120 Gal tank, when
introduced the angel looked like he had a box cutter taken to him for a few
days,
however they got on ok in the end, depends on the temperament of your tangs
I guess,
Im sure I dont have to tell you this but in 4-5 years the most of the
Pomacanthidae family could be 8" or more (max size 14" 20" wild)
this is potentially a big fish, so I guess you have other plans for its long
term future, oh and I dont think they get on to well with like species,
check http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?id=6504
Hope this helps
Nick,
Bristol UK

[Craig Kaplan]

The green chromis schooled immediately and continue to do so. The two
blue chromis don't really school. They seem to act as individuals,
oblivious to each other. Other than the larger blue chromis chasing
the smaller blue chromis on rare occasions, there have not been any
problems.

Dragonslayer, please don't think I am not mindful of your observations.
I do appreciate your opinion and welcome your advice. This is what
this group is all about. Sharing ideas and opinions...

ck


In article >, ....
> wrote:

> How well do the chromis get along with the tanks other inhabitants, have you
> had any problems with them forming a school?
>
>
> > >
> > > "Craig Kaplan" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > I have an Oceanic 58 gallon tank (established community) with the
> > > > following inhabitants:
> > > >
> > > > 1 Eibli Angelfish (Centropyge sp.) - 2.5 inches
> > > >
> > > > 1 Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens) - 2.5 inches
> > > >
> > > > 1 Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) - 3 inches
> > > >
> > > > 1 Teardrop Butterfly (Chaetodon unimaculatus) - 2.5 inches
> > > >
> > > > 2 Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea) - 1.5 inches and 2.5 inches
> > > >
> > > > 5 Green Chromis (Chromis caeruleus) - all between 1 and 2 inches
> > > >
> > > > 2 Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris) - 1 inch and 1.5 inches
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>

[Craig Kaplan]

Nick,

Yes, I agree that that was his point. I have kept the tank decorations
to a minimin in order to maximize the amount of swimming area. I have
one large artificial coral head in the middle of the tank. The fish
treat this just like a real coral formation, darting into it when they
feel the need for security. I feed frozen foods and pellets, directing
it towards the artificial coral. This way, the fish search the coral
looking for food. This causes the fish to behave in a natural way
moving over the coral as they feed.

At their current sizes, there is plenty of room to allow them to swim
normally. Again, I agree that at some point, I will need to lessen the
load in the aquarium. Dragonslayer is 100% correct that it will not be
long before I need to move one or more fish into another aquarium. He
obviously does know what he is talking about. Right now, I intend to
enjoy the tank the way it is. I may add another fish just to see how
the community reacts. But, I will move fish as I need to in order to
ensure the good health of all.

Thanks to each of you who have added their comments. It is appreciated!

ck


In article >, Nick
> wrote:

> "Craig Kaplan" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I appreciate your opinion, but I have been keeping marine fish since
> > 1977. The wet dry is way over-sized and I do weekly water changes. I
> > am meticulous with my feeding and monitor all readings. There have
> > been no fluctuations and all of the inhabitants are thriving. I do not
> > believe in any substrate (because of the need to clean it so often). I
> > have done some things to increase the bioload of the system.
> >
> > Like I said, I do appreciate your opinion. But, I was just asking the
> > question from the perspective of compatibility of the animals. I
> > realize that, as these fish grow, I will need to move some of them out.
> > I do know what you are saying, but right now the system will support
> > more of a load.
> >
> > I'm not looking to pick a fight, but this is a case where we can
> > respect each other's opinion.
> >
> > ck
> >
> > In article >, Dragon Slayer
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > you got to be kidding right???
> > >
> > > you have way to many fish in that tank as it is.
> > > not to be rude, but you need to do a lot more research on the fish you
> have
> > > and their needs rather then thinking of adding more to the problem.
> > >
> > > kc
> > >
> > > "Craig Kaplan" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > I have an Oceanic 58 gallon tank (established community) with the
> > > > following inhabitants:
> > > >
> > > > 1 Eibli Angelfish (Centropyge sp.) - 2.5 inches
> > > >
> > > > 1 Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens) - 2.5 inches
> > > >
> > > > 1 Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) - 3 inches
> > > >
> > > > 1 Teardrop Butterfly (Chaetodon unimaculatus) - 2.5 inches
> > > >
> > > > 2 Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea) - 1.5 inches and 2.5 inches
> > > >
> > > > 5 Green Chromis (Chromis caeruleus) - all between 1 and 2 inches
> > > >
> > > > 2 Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris) - 1 inch and 1.5 inches
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All of them get along well and the tank looks great. I run copper in
> > > > the system in order to control parasites (because I do not have a
> > > > quarantine tank). Also, I have an 8 watt UV on the tank. I use a
> good
> > > > wet-dry and a protein skimmer for biological filtration.
> > > >
> > > > The tank is running great and it looks great.
> > > >
> > > > Now the question...
> > > >
> > > > I would like to add a juvenile angelfish. My preference would be to
> > > > add an Emperor angelfish. My thinking would be to find one about the
> > > > same size as the Eibli. Or, would you think I should find one a
> > > > little larger?
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for fish I could add with minimal risk for aggression
> > > > (either way).
> > > >
> > > > Also, I would be interested in any other suggestions you might have
> > > > concerning additional fish.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, in advance, for your suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > ck
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > >
> I think Mr Slayer may have had concerns about the size of the environment
> not just the filtration Craig,
> I kept a 3" yellow tang and a 4"+ emperor in a UK 120 Gal tank, when
> introduced the angel looked like he had a box cutter taken to him for a few
> days,
> however they got on ok in the end, depends on the temperament of your tangs
> I guess,
> Im sure I dont have to tell you this but in 4-5 years the most of the
> Pomacanthidae family could be 8" or more (max size 14" 20" wild)
> this is potentially a big fish, so I guess you have other plans for its long
> term future, oh and I dont think they get on to well with like species,
> check http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?id=6504
> Hope this helps
> Nick,
> Bristol UK
>
>
>