Looking to add some fish

[rob.smith4]

Hi i was wondering if you could help me I am looking to add some more fish
to my pond at the moment I have comets not had pond that long but would like
to add some new species not koi as my pond is not that deep and I heard you
had to have a decent depth for them,any help appreciated as I have to travel
up to the nearest city to get fish would like your advice before going up in
the morning.
Thanks in advance for any help

[Ka30P]

Hi Rob,

Can you give us the dimensions of your
pond and a guess as to how many gallons
it is?


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Hi Rob,

Can you give us the dimensions of your
pond and a guess as to how many gallons
it is?


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[rob.smith4]

rob.smith4 > wrote in message
news:ohCdc.103$585.99@newsfe1-win...
> Hi i was wondering if you could help me I am looking to add some more fish
> to my pond at the moment I have comets not had pond that long but would
like
> to add some new species not koi as my pond is not that deep and I heard
you
> had to have a decent depth for them,any help appreciated as I have to
travel
> up to the nearest city to get fish would like your advice before going up
in
> the morning.
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Hi well the pond is 9ft long 2ft wide and the depth on average is 1.5ft
hope this helps not sure about gallons.

[rob.smith4]

rob.smith4 > wrote in message
news:ohCdc.103$585.99@newsfe1-win...
> Hi i was wondering if you could help me I am looking to add some more fish
> to my pond at the moment I have comets not had pond that long but would
like
> to add some new species not koi as my pond is not that deep and I heard
you
> had to have a decent depth for them,any help appreciated as I have to
travel
> up to the nearest city to get fish would like your advice before going up
in
> the morning.
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Hi well the pond is 9ft long 2ft wide and the depth on average is 1.5ft
hope this helps not sure about gallons.

[Barbara2245]

"rob.smith4" > wrote in message news:<ohCdc.103$585.99@newsfe1-win>...
> Hi i was wondering if you could help me I am looking to add some more fish
> to my pond at the moment I have comets not had pond that long but would like
> to add some new species not koi as my pond is not that deep and I heard you
> had to have a decent depth for them,any help appreciated as I have to travel
> up to the nearest city to get fish would like your advice before going up in
> the morning.
> Thanks in advance for any help

The pond needs to be at least 3 feet or best 4 feet deep because koi
are diving fish rather than gliding like goldfish. They say you need
1000 gallons for the first koi and then 100 gallons each for the rest.
Koi also root around in the pots of plants and eat some plants. Koi
need pristine water conditions but goldfish are less discriminating.
They can swim around in a lot of crap. Thi9s year I have to give some
of the goldfish fry away. Happy water gardening.

[Barbara2245]

"rob.smith4" > wrote in message news:<ohCdc.103$585.99@newsfe1-win>...
> Hi i was wondering if you could help me I am looking to add some more fish
> to my pond at the moment I have comets not had pond that long but would like
> to add some new species not koi as my pond is not that deep and I heard you
> had to have a decent depth for them,any help appreciated as I have to travel
> up to the nearest city to get fish would like your advice before going up in
> the morning.
> Thanks in advance for any help

The pond needs to be at least 3 feet or best 4 feet deep because koi
are diving fish rather than gliding like goldfish. They say you need
1000 gallons for the first koi and then 100 gallons each for the rest.
Koi also root around in the pots of plants and eat some plants. Koi
need pristine water conditions but goldfish are less discriminating.
They can swim around in a lot of crap. Thi9s year I have to give some
of the goldfish fry away. Happy water gardening.

[NewbieBill]

Hi Rob - I am indeed "Newbie Bill" but most things/people I have seen
seem to agree best area- Common Goldfish(quarantined feeders), Comets
(dont forget Sarassa Comets) and Shubunkins. Kinda sorta for Fancy
Tail GF and a 'maybe at best' (depending on how harsh your winters
are) for Orandas, Moors, Lionheads and Ryunkins. Many dont prefer any
with head growth, which would leave out Orandas and Lionheads. I
suspect its like a lot a ponding - its what works for you. Apparently
some 'take in' their fancies in the winter. I have 2 beautiful little
Lionheads which some have predicted early termination, but the Water
Garden down the street has one in their "Common Pond" which is huge
and apparently been there at least 3 years. I do live in Texas where
the Winters are mild and the summers are HOOOOT. Remember these fish
may live 15 years so dont 'settle' for just something right now. Good
Luck!

[NewbieBill]

Hi Rob - I am indeed "Newbie Bill" but most things/people I have seen
seem to agree best area- Common Goldfish(quarantined feeders), Comets
(dont forget Sarassa Comets) and Shubunkins. Kinda sorta for Fancy
Tail GF and a 'maybe at best' (depending on how harsh your winters
are) for Orandas, Moors, Lionheads and Ryunkins. Many dont prefer any
with head growth, which would leave out Orandas and Lionheads. I
suspect its like a lot a ponding - its what works for you. Apparently
some 'take in' their fancies in the winter. I have 2 beautiful little
Lionheads which some have predicted early termination, but the Water
Garden down the street has one in their "Common Pond" which is huge
and apparently been there at least 3 years. I do live in Texas where
the Winters are mild and the summers are HOOOOT. Remember these fish
may live 15 years so dont 'settle' for just something right now. Good
Luck!

[Ka30P]

A fun fish to have are rosie red
fathead minnows. Commonly sold
as feeder fish at pet stores so
you should have a way to isolate
them after you but them to make
sure they are okay to go in with the
fish you have already.
Feeder fish are well looked after
since their lifespan is supposed to
be short. (Some people
set up a stock tank with a simple filter)

Anyway - rosie reds only get to be about
three inches long. They lay their eggs on
the bottom of lily pads and then the males
will guard them against all comers chasing
off goldfish several times their size.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

A fun fish to have are rosie red
fathead minnows. Commonly sold
as feeder fish at pet stores so
you should have a way to isolate
them after you but them to make
sure they are okay to go in with the
fish you have already.
Feeder fish are well looked after
since their lifespan is supposed to
be short. (Some people
set up a stock tank with a simple filter)

Anyway - rosie reds only get to be about
three inches long. They lay their eggs on
the bottom of lily pads and then the males
will guard them against all comers chasing
off goldfish several times their size.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Sean Dinh]

9 x 2 = 18
18 x 1.5 = 27
27 x 7.5 = 202.5 gallons

If I have that same pond, I would put in a couple of Koi. They don't get big as
long as you don't feed them much. Do feed them a bit. What is necessary in this
case is that a Trickle Tower is mandatory. TT add tremendous O2 to the water,
and cool the water at the same time. Without TT, the fish could die if the water
get too warm.

"rob.smith4" wrote:

> Hi well the pond is 9ft long 2ft wide and the depth on average is 1.5ft
> hope this helps not sure about gallons.

[Sean Dinh]

9 x 2 = 18
18 x 1.5 = 27
27 x 7.5 = 202.5 gallons

If I have that same pond, I would put in a couple of Koi. They don't get big as
long as you don't feed them much. Do feed them a bit. What is necessary in this
case is that a Trickle Tower is mandatory. TT add tremendous O2 to the water,
and cool the water at the same time. Without TT, the fish could die if the water
get too warm.

"rob.smith4" wrote:

> Hi well the pond is 9ft long 2ft wide and the depth on average is 1.5ft
> hope this helps not sure about gallons.

[Nedra]

But Sean ... I think you are kidding when you say you would
put Two koi in a 202.5 gallon pond? As Barbara said:
You will need 1,000 gallons of water for the first koi and
about 100+ gallons of water for any additional koi. The rest
of what she posts is also true for koi ...
You were kidding, right?

Nedra

"Sean Dinh" > wrote in message
...
> 9 x 2 = 18
> 18 x 1.5 = 27
> 27 x 7.5 = 202.5 gallons
>
> If I have that same pond, I would put in a couple of Koi. They don't get
big as
> long as you don't feed them much. Do feed them a bit. What is necessary in
this
> case is that a Trickle Tower is mandatory. TT add tremendous O2 to the
water,
> and cool the water at the same time. Without TT, the fish could die if the
water
> get too warm.
>
> "rob.smith4" wrote:
>
> > Hi well the pond is 9ft long 2ft wide and the depth on average is 1.5ft
> > hope this helps not sure about gallons.
>

[Nedra]

But Sean ... I think you are kidding when you say you would
put Two koi in a 202.5 gallon pond? As Barbara said:
You will need 1,000 gallons of water for the first koi and
about 100+ gallons of water for any additional koi. The rest
of what she posts is also true for koi ...
You were kidding, right?

Nedra

"Sean Dinh" > wrote in message
...
> 9 x 2 = 18
> 18 x 1.5 = 27
> 27 x 7.5 = 202.5 gallons
>
> If I have that same pond, I would put in a couple of Koi. They don't get
big as
> long as you don't feed them much. Do feed them a bit. What is necessary in
this
> case is that a Trickle Tower is mandatory. TT add tremendous O2 to the
water,
> and cool the water at the same time. Without TT, the fish could die if the
water
> get too warm.
>
> "rob.smith4" wrote:
>
> > Hi well the pond is 9ft long 2ft wide and the depth on average is 1.5ft
> > hope this helps not sure about gallons.
>

[marmarle]

Kathy , I bought some "rosie reds", first they were mostly gray with a black
stripe, so are they mixed or is Petsmart selling every minnow as a rosie
red? Second you REALLY need to keep them to themselves for a couple of
weeks since 40% will die off. I guess that is why they are feeder fish, the
snakes or big fish catch the sick ones first? But now I have a nice group
and maybe by summer I will get a school of them re producing in the ponds.
Right now they are in a 50 gallon in the house with two small fat body
fantails. I hear my DH saying he is going to build that "big" pond this
summer, so the fish on the porch in 150 gal ponds are all smiles.
Ka30P wrote in message >...
>
>A fun fish to have are rosie red
>fathead minnows. Commonly sold
>as feeder fish at pet stores so
>you should have a way to isolate
>them after you but them to make
>sure they are okay to go in with the
>fish you have already.
>Feeder fish are well looked after
>since their lifespan is supposed to
>be short. (Some people
>set up a stock tank with a simple filter)
>
>Anyway - rosie reds only get to be about
>three inches long. They lay their eggs on
>the bottom of lily pads and then the males
>will guard them against all comers chasing
>off goldfish several times their size.
>
>
>kathy :-)
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[marmarle]

Kathy , I bought some "rosie reds", first they were mostly gray with a black
stripe, so are they mixed or is Petsmart selling every minnow as a rosie
red? Second you REALLY need to keep them to themselves for a couple of
weeks since 40% will die off. I guess that is why they are feeder fish, the
snakes or big fish catch the sick ones first? But now I have a nice group
and maybe by summer I will get a school of them re producing in the ponds.
Right now they are in a 50 gallon in the house with two small fat body
fantails. I hear my DH saying he is going to build that "big" pond this
summer, so the fish on the porch in 150 gal ponds are all smiles.
Ka30P wrote in message >...
>
>A fun fish to have are rosie red
>fathead minnows. Commonly sold
>as feeder fish at pet stores so
>you should have a way to isolate
>them after you but them to make
>sure they are okay to go in with the
>fish you have already.
>Feeder fish are well looked after
>since their lifespan is supposed to
>be short. (Some people
>set up a stock tank with a simple filter)
>
>Anyway - rosie reds only get to be about
>three inches long. They lay their eggs on
>the bottom of lily pads and then the males
>will guard them against all comers chasing
>off goldfish several times their size.
>
>
>kathy :-)
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[rob.smith4]

rob.smith4 > wrote in message
news:ohCdc.103$585.99@newsfe1-win...
> Hi i was wondering if you could help me I am looking to add some more fish
> to my pond at the moment I have comets not had pond that long but would
like
> to add some new species not koi as my pond is not that deep and I heard
you
> had to have a decent depth for them,any help appreciated as I have to
travel
> up to the nearest city to get fish would like your advice before going up
in
> the morning.
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Hi thanks for the help so far I don't know if I can get rosie reds over
here I am in Scotland saw a site in America where they sold them by the
pound for about £5 they probably sell single ones over here for a £1 at
least.
If there are any people from the u.k that can point me in the right
direction much appreciated

[rob.smith4]

rob.smith4 > wrote in message
news:ohCdc.103$585.99@newsfe1-win...
> Hi i was wondering if you could help me I am looking to add some more fish
> to my pond at the moment I have comets not had pond that long but would
like
> to add some new species not koi as my pond is not that deep and I heard
you
> had to have a decent depth for them,any help appreciated as I have to
travel
> up to the nearest city to get fish would like your advice before going up
in
> the morning.
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Hi thanks for the help so far I don't know if I can get rosie reds over
here I am in Scotland saw a site in America where they sold them by the
pound for about £5 they probably sell single ones over here for a £1 at
least.
If there are any people from the u.k that can point me in the right
direction much appreciated

[Ka30P]

Rummaging around in my fuzzy memory I found
the factoid that rosie reds are in fact a mutation, or something like that, of
the orginal fathead minnow. They turned 'rosie'. To me they look orange. Anyway
the dark ones are 'throw backs' of a sort to the original color.

On the other hand, with feeder fish and pet stores who knows what goes on! One
day a tadpole showed up in a new shipment of feeder fish. I think someone
online rescued him and put him in their pond. (another fuzzy memory ;-)


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Rummaging around in my fuzzy memory I found
the factoid that rosie reds are in fact a mutation, or something like that, of
the orginal fathead minnow. They turned 'rosie'. To me they look orange. Anyway
the dark ones are 'throw backs' of a sort to the original color.

On the other hand, with feeder fish and pet stores who knows what goes on! One
day a tadpole showed up in a new shipment of feeder fish. I think someone
online rescued him and put him in their pond. (another fuzzy memory ;-)


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Ooops!
Being in Scotland does cause a problem!
I wonder if they would know over on
uk.rec.gardening?
I know I've seen some ponders post on there
from time to time. In fact there are a couple of posts about frogs spawn on
there right now.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

Ooops!
Being in Scotland does cause a problem!
I wonder if they would know over on
uk.rec.gardening?
I know I've seen some ponders post on there
from time to time. In fact there are a couple of posts about frogs spawn on
there right now.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Sean Dinh]

Actually, I made a mistake. I forgot to address the region's requirement. In
this case, I don't think it's good for poster to have any fish since his pond
might freeze without other equipment.

As for people in warmer climate like me in Southern California, 200 gallons is
ok. When set up with a decent filter and diligent in minimal feeding, the Koi
would be ok. Since there is little water, as compared to 1000 gallons, to buffer
any changes in water chemistry, the pond has to be pretty clean and has to have
plenty of oxygen. The difference between a big pond and a small pond is the time
of death of their inhabitants. Bad management will kill them. The ones in
smaller pond die faster.

Koi aficionados don't recommend putting Koi in such a small pond because it
detracts from the main purpose of raising Koi, to see the graceful form of
swimming Koi. Most of us here are ponders. We are guilty of having more plants
then fish in our ponds. We won't have a problem with 2 Koi in our ponds.
Actually, we do have a problem with them destroying plants.

I'm digging a pond atm. My biggest dilemma is how to integrate floating water
plants like WH and duckweed, so that the Koi won't destroy them.



Nedra wrote:

> But Sean ... I think you are kidding when you say you would
> put Two koi in a 202.5 gallon pond? As Barbara said:
> You will need 1,000 gallons of water for the first koi and
> about 100+ gallons of water for any additional koi. The rest
> of what she posts is also true for koi ...
> You were kidding, right?

[Sean Dinh]

Actually, I made a mistake. I forgot to address the region's requirement. In
this case, I don't think it's good for poster to have any fish since his pond
might freeze without other equipment.

As for people in warmer climate like me in Southern California, 200 gallons is
ok. When set up with a decent filter and diligent in minimal feeding, the Koi
would be ok. Since there is little water, as compared to 1000 gallons, to buffer
any changes in water chemistry, the pond has to be pretty clean and has to have
plenty of oxygen. The difference between a big pond and a small pond is the time
of death of their inhabitants. Bad management will kill them. The ones in
smaller pond die faster.

Koi aficionados don't recommend putting Koi in such a small pond because it
detracts from the main purpose of raising Koi, to see the graceful form of
swimming Koi. Most of us here are ponders. We are guilty of having more plants
then fish in our ponds. We won't have a problem with 2 Koi in our ponds.
Actually, we do have a problem with them destroying plants.

I'm digging a pond atm. My biggest dilemma is how to integrate floating water
plants like WH and duckweed, so that the Koi won't destroy them.



Nedra wrote:

> But Sean ... I think you are kidding when you say you would
> put Two koi in a 202.5 gallon pond? As Barbara said:
> You will need 1,000 gallons of water for the first koi and
> about 100+ gallons of water for any additional koi. The rest
> of what she posts is also true for koi ...
> You were kidding, right?

[Offbreed]

Sean Dinh wrote:

> I'm digging a pond atm. My biggest dilemma is how to integrate floating water
> plants like WH and duckweed, so that the Koi won't destroy them.

Maybe a floating ring with black bird netting under it to keep the
fish away from the roots? Needs a lot of plants to hide the float and
it would not work with duckweed. Though, you might be able to make an
asset of a necessity by finding a way to make the floating ring
attractive.

You might get the same effect with a bird bath like "island" in the
middle of the pond? That would mean you could use other plants and put
small lights under the plants to illuminate the fish as they are
swimming around. I think that would be really pretty. The wiring might
be a bit dicey, but a solar charged walkway light might be adapted.

A few years ago, a local store threw away something that would have
been perfect. It was a clear plastic display stand, shaped a bit like
a martini glass made of flat sheets. Probably cost a fortune to make
with the thicker plexiglass needed in stores. There's thinner, and
less expensive, around.

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The support was shaped like this (top view) to make a smaller base,
but provide support for the upper "deck".

[Offbreed]

Sean Dinh wrote:

> I'm digging a pond atm. My biggest dilemma is how to integrate floating water
> plants like WH and duckweed, so that the Koi won't destroy them.

Maybe a floating ring with black bird netting under it to keep the
fish away from the roots? Needs a lot of plants to hide the float and
it would not work with duckweed. Though, you might be able to make an
asset of a necessity by finding a way to make the floating ring
attractive.

You might get the same effect with a bird bath like "island" in the
middle of the pond? That would mean you could use other plants and put
small lights under the plants to illuminate the fish as they are
swimming around. I think that would be really pretty. The wiring might
be a bit dicey, but a solar charged walkway light might be adapted.

A few years ago, a local store threw away something that would have
been perfect. It was a clear plastic display stand, shaped a bit like
a martini glass made of flat sheets. Probably cost a fortune to make
with the thicker plexiglass needed in stores. There's thinner, and
less expensive, around.

|_______|
| |
-----

Side view
(fixed width font)

____|
| |
|---
The support was shaped like this (top view) to make a smaller base,
but provide support for the upper "deck".

[Offbreed]

Sean Dinh wrote:

> Nice, I didn't think of WH covering the pvc divider. Having a row of WH around the
> duckweed could possibly cover hide the divider.
>
> My tentative idea atm is to put back the dirt to build a wider plant shelf. Plant a
> row each of horsetail and umbrella plants to block off the big fish. Put in a
> floating wiggled pvc divider to block off a corner for duckweed. Put WH and WL
> between the divider and the horsetail/umbrella plants.
>
> Since some beer is involved with this planning, is there any flaw in this?

Zero experience. I sortof remember some stuff from a county fair
(mumble) years ago and a couple pictures of some real fancy restaurants.

I've seen carp and black bass blast through some real heavy
vegetation, if you are going to use horsetail as a picket fence, you
might add some reinforcement.

[Offbreed]

Sean Dinh wrote:

> Nice, I didn't think of WH covering the pvc divider. Having a row of WH around the
> duckweed could possibly cover hide the divider.
>
> My tentative idea atm is to put back the dirt to build a wider plant shelf. Plant a
> row each of horsetail and umbrella plants to block off the big fish. Put in a
> floating wiggled pvc divider to block off a corner for duckweed. Put WH and WL
> between the divider and the horsetail/umbrella plants.
>
> Since some beer is involved with this planning, is there any flaw in this?

Zero experience. I sortof remember some stuff from a county fair
(mumble) years ago and a couple pictures of some real fancy restaurants.

I've seen carp and black bass blast through some real heavy
vegetation, if you are going to use horsetail as a picket fence, you
might add some reinforcement.

[Sean Dinh]

Nice, I didn't think of WH covering the pvc divider. Having a row of WH around the
duckweed could possibly cover hide the divider.

My tentative idea atm is to put back the dirt to build a wider plant shelf. Plant a
row each of horsetail and umbrella plants to block off the big fish. Put in a
floating wiggled pvc divider to block off a corner for duckweed. Put WH and WL
between the divider and the horsetail/umbrella plants.

Since some beer is involved with this planning, is there any flaw in this?

Offbreed wrote:

> Maybe a floating ring with black bird netting under it to keep the
> fish away from the roots? Needs a lot of plants to hide the float and
> it would not work with duckweed. Though, you might be able to make an
> asset of a necessity by finding a way to make the floating ring
> attractive.

[Sean Dinh]

Nice, I didn't think of WH covering the pvc divider. Having a row of WH around the
duckweed could possibly cover hide the divider.

My tentative idea atm is to put back the dirt to build a wider plant shelf. Plant a
row each of horsetail and umbrella plants to block off the big fish. Put in a
floating wiggled pvc divider to block off a corner for duckweed. Put WH and WL
between the divider and the horsetail/umbrella plants.

Since some beer is involved with this planning, is there any flaw in this?

Offbreed wrote:

> Maybe a floating ring with black bird netting under it to keep the
> fish away from the roots? Needs a lot of plants to hide the float and
> it would not work with duckweed. Though, you might be able to make an
> asset of a necessity by finding a way to make the floating ring
> attractive.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Sean, have you tried butterfly koi? These do much better in small swallow
ponds and are better around plants then their stubby finned relatives. The
key is to buy small, whichever type you get. ~ jan

>On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:33:29 -0700, Sean Dinh > wrote:

>Actually, I made a mistake. I forgot to address the region's requirement. In
>this case, I don't think it's good for poster to have any fish since his pond
>might freeze without other equipment.
>
>As for people in warmer climate like me in Southern California, 200 gallons is
>ok. When set up with a decent filter and diligent in minimal feeding, the Koi
>would be ok. Since there is little water, as compared to 1000 gallons, to buffer
>any changes in water chemistry, the pond has to be pretty clean and has to have
>plenty of oxygen. The difference between a big pond and a small pond is the time
>of death of their inhabitants. Bad management will kill them. The ones in
>smaller pond die faster.
>
>Koi aficionados don't recommend putting Koi in such a small pond because it
>detracts from the main purpose of raising Koi, to see the graceful form of
>swimming Koi. Most of us here are ponders. We are guilty of having more plants
>then fish in our ponds. We won't have a problem with 2 Koi in our ponds.
>Actually, we do have a problem with them destroying plants.
>
>I'm digging a pond atm. My biggest dilemma is how to integrate floating water
>plants like WH and duckweed, so that the Koi won't destroy them.
>
>
>
>Nedra wrote:
>
>> But Sean ... I think you are kidding when you say you would
>> put Two koi in a 202.5 gallon pond? As Barbara said:
>> You will need 1,000 gallons of water for the first koi and
>> about 100+ gallons of water for any additional koi. The rest
>> of what she posts is also true for koi ...
>> You were kidding, right?

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Sean, have you tried butterfly koi? These do much better in small swallow
ponds and are better around plants then their stubby finned relatives. The
key is to buy small, whichever type you get. ~ jan

>On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:33:29 -0700, Sean Dinh > wrote:

>Actually, I made a mistake. I forgot to address the region's requirement. In
>this case, I don't think it's good for poster to have any fish since his pond
>might freeze without other equipment.
>
>As for people in warmer climate like me in Southern California, 200 gallons is
>ok. When set up with a decent filter and diligent in minimal feeding, the Koi
>would be ok. Since there is little water, as compared to 1000 gallons, to buffer
>any changes in water chemistry, the pond has to be pretty clean and has to have
>plenty of oxygen. The difference between a big pond and a small pond is the time
>of death of their inhabitants. Bad management will kill them. The ones in
>smaller pond die faster.
>
>Koi aficionados don't recommend putting Koi in such a small pond because it
>detracts from the main purpose of raising Koi, to see the graceful form of
>swimming Koi. Most of us here are ponders. We are guilty of having more plants
>then fish in our ponds. We won't have a problem with 2 Koi in our ponds.
>Actually, we do have a problem with them destroying plants.
>
>I'm digging a pond atm. My biggest dilemma is how to integrate floating water
>plants like WH and duckweed, so that the Koi won't destroy them.
>
>
>
>Nedra wrote:
>
>> But Sean ... I think you are kidding when you say you would
>> put Two koi in a 202.5 gallon pond? As Barbara said:
>> You will need 1,000 gallons of water for the first koi and
>> about 100+ gallons of water for any additional koi. The rest
>> of what she posts is also true for koi ...
>> You were kidding, right?

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Sean Dinh]

Well, I like variety. I'll get one later. I've to refrain from buying any more fish
at the moment.

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote:

> Sean, have you tried butterfly koi? These do much better in small swallow
> ponds and are better around plants then their stubby finned relatives. The
> key is to buy small, whichever type you get. ~ jan

[Sean Dinh]

Well, I like variety. I'll get one later. I've to refrain from buying any more fish
at the moment.

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote:

> Sean, have you tried butterfly koi? These do much better in small swallow
> ponds and are better around plants then their stubby finned relatives. The
> key is to buy small, whichever type you get. ~ jan