Killing fish ... sorry : (

[Nanceemo]

I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks more
like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?

Nancy

[pmwebdesigns]

The below information is from Koko's Goldfish Site
Preferred Method: Clove Oil and Tank Water Method
Buy pure clove oil. You can get it at a health food store for under $10 for
a ½ ounce bottle. Put the fish in a medium sized mixing bowl in his own
water from his tank. In a small jar or something with a lid (I use a cleaned
out jelly jar) mix the clove oil with tank water. Put the lid on and shake
it like crazy over and over until the liquid in it is white. Then pour a
little into the mixing bowl with the fish. Swirl it with your hand. The fish
might fight it just a little bit and then slow down. Then pour a little more
in and swirl again. He should just go to sleep and appear dead. If he
doesn't, try a little more of the clove solution, always shaking very well
before an addition to the bowl. When he goes to sleep, leave him in the
solution for a good 10 minutes and then put him in a small cup or zip-lock
baggie and put him in the freezer. Pain free death. Very humane. We should
all go so easily.

Clove Oil and Vodka DON'T USE!!!!
The clove oil and vodka method is often sited as a humane method of fish
euthanasia. Clove oil (eugenol) is used as an anesthetic in fish for
surgery. The vodka is used to disperse the clove oil in the water. The clove
oil/vodka mixture is placed in water and then the fish is added and
supposedly dies peacefully. This doesn't work! Use the clove oil and tank
water method described above.


Priss





"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
more
> like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?
>
> Nancy

[pmwebdesigns]

The below information is from Koko's Goldfish Site
Preferred Method: Clove Oil and Tank Water Method
Buy pure clove oil. You can get it at a health food store for under $10 for
a ½ ounce bottle. Put the fish in a medium sized mixing bowl in his own
water from his tank. In a small jar or something with a lid (I use a cleaned
out jelly jar) mix the clove oil with tank water. Put the lid on and shake
it like crazy over and over until the liquid in it is white. Then pour a
little into the mixing bowl with the fish. Swirl it with your hand. The fish
might fight it just a little bit and then slow down. Then pour a little more
in and swirl again. He should just go to sleep and appear dead. If he
doesn't, try a little more of the clove solution, always shaking very well
before an addition to the bowl. When he goes to sleep, leave him in the
solution for a good 10 minutes and then put him in a small cup or zip-lock
baggie and put him in the freezer. Pain free death. Very humane. We should
all go so easily.

Clove Oil and Vodka DON'T USE!!!!
The clove oil and vodka method is often sited as a humane method of fish
euthanasia. Clove oil (eugenol) is used as an anesthetic in fish for
surgery. The vodka is used to disperse the clove oil in the water. The clove
oil/vodka mixture is placed in water and then the fish is added and
supposedly dies peacefully. This doesn't work! Use the clove oil and tank
water method described above.


Priss





"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
more
> like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?
>
> Nancy

[~ Windsong ~]

"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
more
> like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?
==========================
Have you tried all the pet stores that sell fish in your area? Many will
take them to sell as "feeders" for something like 10 or a $1.00.
--
Carol....
"When did my wild oats turn to prunes and All Bran?"
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
more
> like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?
==========================
Have you tried all the pet stores that sell fish in your area? Many will
take them to sell as "feeders" for something like 10 or a $1.00.
--
Carol....
"When did my wild oats turn to prunes and All Bran?"
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[pmwebdesigns]

Carol they stopped taking feeder fish here at the petstores where I live. I
use to be able to take my fry in until last year.
They passed some law at the stores here and said people had to be a license
seller to take any live animal. :-(
Priss
"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nanceemo" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> > fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
> more
> > like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> > exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?
> ==========================
> Have you tried all the pet stores that sell fish in your area? Many will
> take them to sell as "feeders" for something like 10 or a $1.00.
> --
> Carol....
> "When did my wild oats turn to prunes and All Bran?"
> http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

[pmwebdesigns]

Carol they stopped taking feeder fish here at the petstores where I live. I
use to be able to take my fry in until last year.
They passed some law at the stores here and said people had to be a license
seller to take any live animal. :-(
Priss
"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nanceemo" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> > fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
> more
> > like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> > exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?
> ==========================
> Have you tried all the pet stores that sell fish in your area? Many will
> take them to sell as "feeders" for something like 10 or a $1.00.
> --
> Carol....
> "When did my wild oats turn to prunes and All Bran?"
> http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

[Cichlidiot]

pmwebdesigns > wrote:
> Carol they stopped taking feeder fish here at the petstores where I live. I
> use to be able to take my fry in until last year.
> They passed some law at the stores here and said people had to be a license
> seller to take any live animal. :-(

An alternative to selling to a pet store is to cut out the middle man. If
there is a cichlid/aquarist group in your area, go there explaining your
situation and offering the fish for free to anyone who wants them. This
way there is no selling of live animals. You'll probably also come across
people starting ponds in an aquarium group, so you could give them some
seeder fish. Or post in rec.aquaria.* groups (marketplace, freshwater and
cichlids groups would probably be most appropriate) with the offer of free
fish.

[Cichlidiot]

pmwebdesigns > wrote:
> Carol they stopped taking feeder fish here at the petstores where I live. I
> use to be able to take my fry in until last year.
> They passed some law at the stores here and said people had to be a license
> seller to take any live animal. :-(

An alternative to selling to a pet store is to cut out the middle man. If
there is a cichlid/aquarist group in your area, go there explaining your
situation and offering the fish for free to anyone who wants them. This
way there is no selling of live animals. You'll probably also come across
people starting ponds in an aquarium group, so you could give them some
seeder fish. Or post in rec.aquaria.* groups (marketplace, freshwater and
cichlids groups would probably be most appropriate) with the offer of free
fish.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
more
> like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?

What are they and where are you?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
more
> like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?

What are they and where are you?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[~ Windsong ~]

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
...
> Carol they stopped taking feeder fish here at the petstores where I live.
I
> use to be able to take my fry in until last year.
> They passed some law at the stores here and said people had to be a
license
> seller to take any live animal. :-(
=============================
If you're near a rural area some farmers are happy to take them for free for
their livestock ponds to keep the mosquitoes down. Golf courses with lakes
my take them.
--
Carol....
"When did my wild oats turn to prunes and All Bran?"
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
...
> Carol they stopped taking feeder fish here at the petstores where I live.
I
> use to be able to take my fry in until last year.
> They passed some law at the stores here and said people had to be a
license
> seller to take any live animal. :-(
=============================
If you're near a rural area some farmers are happy to take them for free for
their livestock ponds to keep the mosquitoes down. Golf courses with lakes
my take them.
--
Carol....
"When did my wild oats turn to prunes and All Bran?"
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[pmwebdesigns]

I have comets and Koi. I use to be able to give mine away to petstores until
they stopped it. Friends got some. Now I go to local parks that have lakes
and have slipped some in there. hehehehe Shhhhhhh
They don't conect to no rivers or anything. Mostly Catfish lakes.
I don't know about Nancy though. Original author.
Priss


"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nanceemo" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> > fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
> more
> > like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> > exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?
>
> What are they and where are you?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[pmwebdesigns]

I have comets and Koi. I use to be able to give mine away to petstores until
they stopped it. Friends got some. Now I go to local parks that have lakes
and have slipped some in there. hehehehe Shhhhhhh
They don't conect to no rivers or anything. Mostly Catfish lakes.
I don't know about Nancy though. Original author.
Priss


"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nanceemo" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many little
> > fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my pond looks
> more
> > like a mud puddle than anything, and the population is increasing
> > exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to do this?
>
> What are they and where are you?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
...
> I have comets and Koi. I use to be able to give mine away to petstores
until
> they stopped it. Friends got some. Now I go to local parks that have lakes
> and have slipped some in there. hehehehe Shhhhhhh
> They don't conect to no rivers or anything. Mostly Catfish lakes.
> I don't know about Nancy though. Original author.
<snip>

<holier then thou>
In MD, we had someone slip a snakehead fish into a local lake. This species
was extremely invasive, and as such a decision was made to bomb the lake,
and kill everything in order to ensure the snakeheads were eliminated. Now I
am not suggesting Koi are equal to frankenfish like Snakeheads, but IMHO
releasing such a fish or a plant for that matter into a natural water way is
a dangerous and irresponsibly behavior. Priss...your are being very naughty
and potentially endangering those park ponds.
</holier then thou>


--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
...
> I have comets and Koi. I use to be able to give mine away to petstores
until
> they stopped it. Friends got some. Now I go to local parks that have lakes
> and have slipped some in there. hehehehe Shhhhhhh
> They don't conect to no rivers or anything. Mostly Catfish lakes.
> I don't know about Nancy though. Original author.
<snip>

<holier then thou>
In MD, we had someone slip a snakehead fish into a local lake. This species
was extremely invasive, and as such a decision was made to bomb the lake,
and kill everything in order to ensure the snakeheads were eliminated. Now I
am not suggesting Koi are equal to frankenfish like Snakeheads, but IMHO
releasing such a fish or a plant for that matter into a natural water way is
a dangerous and irresponsibly behavior. Priss...your are being very naughty
and potentially endangering those park ponds.
</holier then thou>


--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Janet]

--

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have comets and Koi. I use to be able to give mine away to petstores
> until
> > they stopped it. Friends got some. Now I go to local parks that have
lakes
> > and have slipped some in there. hehehehe Shhhhhhh
> > They don't conect to no rivers or anything. Mostly Catfish lakes.
> > I don't know about Nancy though. Original author.
> <snip>
>
> <holier then thou>
> In MD, we had someone slip a snakehead fish into a local lake. This
species
> was extremely invasive, and as such a decision was made to bomb the lake,
> and kill everything in order to ensure the snakeheads were eliminated. Now
I
> am not suggesting Koi are equal to frankenfish like Snakeheads, but IMHO
> releasing such a fish or a plant for that matter into a natural water way
is
> a dangerous and irresponsibly behavior. Priss...your are being very
naughty
> and potentially endangering those park ponds.
> </holier then thou>
>
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>
BV, I gotta agree with you here. There was a huge thread last fall on KoiVet
pertaining this. A homeowners association was desperate as a well meaning
homeowner threw some koi in the community pond several years earlier and
they had taken over. To the point they were destroying the pond and
endangering themselves. The Association had several weekends where they
allowed folks to come in and "rescue" what they could before killing off the
whole pond..... This is a huge No-No these days with everything we know
about balanced ecosystems and invasive species.
Janet in Niagara Falls

[Janet]

--

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have comets and Koi. I use to be able to give mine away to petstores
> until
> > they stopped it. Friends got some. Now I go to local parks that have
lakes
> > and have slipped some in there. hehehehe Shhhhhhh
> > They don't conect to no rivers or anything. Mostly Catfish lakes.
> > I don't know about Nancy though. Original author.
> <snip>
>
> <holier then thou>
> In MD, we had someone slip a snakehead fish into a local lake. This
species
> was extremely invasive, and as such a decision was made to bomb the lake,
> and kill everything in order to ensure the snakeheads were eliminated. Now
I
> am not suggesting Koi are equal to frankenfish like Snakeheads, but IMHO
> releasing such a fish or a plant for that matter into a natural water way
is
> a dangerous and irresponsibly behavior. Priss...your are being very
naughty
> and potentially endangering those park ponds.
> </holier then thou>
>
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>
BV, I gotta agree with you here. There was a huge thread last fall on KoiVet
pertaining this. A homeowners association was desperate as a well meaning
homeowner threw some koi in the community pond several years earlier and
they had taken over. To the point they were destroying the pond and
endangering themselves. The Association had several weekends where they
allowed folks to come in and "rescue" what they could before killing off the
whole pond..... This is a huge No-No these days with everything we know
about balanced ecosystems and invasive species.
Janet in Niagara Falls

[pmwebdesigns]

Well I reckon this is a no win solution here. When you run out of pet
stores, friends..etc... and park lakes are a no no then humane euthanasia is
the only other option. To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.
lol
Priss


"Janet" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> --
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I have comets and Koi. I use to be able to give mine away to petstores
> > until
> > > they stopped it. Friends got some. Now I go to local parks that have
> lakes
> > > and have slipped some in there. hehehehe Shhhhhhh
> > > They don't conect to no rivers or anything. Mostly Catfish lakes.
> > > I don't know about Nancy though. Original author.
> > <snip>
> >
> > <holier then thou>
> > In MD, we had someone slip a snakehead fish into a local lake. This
> species
> > was extremely invasive, and as such a decision was made to bomb the
lake,
> > and kill everything in order to ensure the snakeheads were eliminated.
Now
> I
> > am not suggesting Koi are equal to frankenfish like Snakeheads, but IMHO
> > releasing such a fish or a plant for that matter into a natural water
way
> is
> > a dangerous and irresponsibly behavior. Priss...your are being very
> naughty
> > and potentially endangering those park ponds.
> > </holier then thou>
> >
> >
> > --
> > BV.
> > www.iheartmypond.com
> >
> >
> >
> BV, I gotta agree with you here. There was a huge thread last fall on
KoiVet
> pertaining this. A homeowners association was desperate as a well meaning
> homeowner threw some koi in the community pond several years earlier and
> they had taken over. To the point they were destroying the pond and
> endangering themselves. The Association had several weekends where they
> allowed folks to come in and "rescue" what they could before killing off
the
> whole pond..... This is a huge No-No these days with everything we know
> about balanced ecosystems and invasive species.
> Janet in Niagara Falls
>
>

[pmwebdesigns]

Well I reckon this is a no win solution here. When you run out of pet
stores, friends..etc... and park lakes are a no no then humane euthanasia is
the only other option. To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.
lol
Priss


"Janet" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> --
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I have comets and Koi. I use to be able to give mine away to petstores
> > until
> > > they stopped it. Friends got some. Now I go to local parks that have
> lakes
> > > and have slipped some in there. hehehehe Shhhhhhh
> > > They don't conect to no rivers or anything. Mostly Catfish lakes.
> > > I don't know about Nancy though. Original author.
> > <snip>
> >
> > <holier then thou>
> > In MD, we had someone slip a snakehead fish into a local lake. This
> species
> > was extremely invasive, and as such a decision was made to bomb the
lake,
> > and kill everything in order to ensure the snakeheads were eliminated.
Now
> I
> > am not suggesting Koi are equal to frankenfish like Snakeheads, but IMHO
> > releasing such a fish or a plant for that matter into a natural water
way
> is
> > a dangerous and irresponsibly behavior. Priss...your are being very
> naughty
> > and potentially endangering those park ponds.
> > </holier then thou>
> >
> >
> > --
> > BV.
> > www.iheartmypond.com
> >
> >
> >
> BV, I gotta agree with you here. There was a huge thread last fall on
KoiVet
> pertaining this. A homeowners association was desperate as a well meaning
> homeowner threw some koi in the community pond several years earlier and
> they had taken over. To the point they were destroying the pond and
> endangering themselves. The Association had several weekends where they
> allowed folks to come in and "rescue" what they could before killing off
the
> whole pond..... This is a huge No-No these days with everything we know
> about balanced ecosystems and invasive species.
> Janet in Niagara Falls
>
>

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Orfes.

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote:
To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.


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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

Orfes.

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote:
To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[pmwebdesigns]

What? lol Whats Orfes?
Priss


> wrote in message
...
> Orfes.
>
> "pmwebdesigns" > wrote:
> To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[pmwebdesigns]

What? lol Whats Orfes?
Priss


> wrote in message
...
> Orfes.
>
> "pmwebdesigns" > wrote:
> To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Sean Dinh]

I had a catfish. Feeder sized GF could not grow big enough to need BCP.

pmwebdesigns wrote:

> Too bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.
> lol
> Priss

[Sean Dinh]

I had a catfish. Feeder sized GF could not grow big enough to need BCP.

pmwebdesigns wrote:

> Too bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.
> lol
> Priss

[paul_v_biker]

Where abouts are you?

i wouldn't mind more fry!
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[paul_v_biker]

Where abouts are you?

i wouldn't mind more fry!
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Orfes are type of fish actively feed on fry. Ingrid


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

Orfes are type of fish actively feed on fry. Ingrid


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Iguana]

Wouldn't slowly lowering the water temperature to freezing also be a humane
death?



pmwebdesigns wrote:
> The below information is from Koko's Goldfish Site
> Preferred Method: Clove Oil and Tank Water Method
> Buy pure clove oil. You can get it at a health food store for under
> $10 for a ½ ounce bottle. Put the fish in a medium sized mixing bowl
> in his own water from his tank. In a small jar or something with a
> lid (I use a cleaned out jelly jar) mix the clove oil with tank
> water. Put the lid on and shake it like crazy over and over until the
> liquid in it is white. Then pour a little into the mixing bowl with
> the fish. Swirl it with your hand. The fish might fight it just a
> little bit and then slow down. Then pour a little more in and swirl
> again. He should just go to sleep and appear dead. If he doesn't, try
> a little more of the clove solution, always shaking very well before
> an addition to the bowl. When he goes to sleep, leave him in the
> solution for a good 10 minutes and then put him in a small cup or
> zip-lock baggie and put him in the freezer. Pain free death. Very
> humane. We should all go so easily.
>
> Clove Oil and Vodka DON'T USE!!!!
> The clove oil and vodka method is often sited as a humane method of
> fish euthanasia. Clove oil (eugenol) is used as an anesthetic in fish
> for surgery. The vodka is used to disperse the clove oil in the
> water. The clove oil/vodka mixture is placed in water and then the
> fish is added and supposedly dies peacefully. This doesn't work! Use
> the clove oil and tank water method described above.
>
>
> Priss
>
>
>
>
>
> "Nanceemo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many
>> little fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my
>> pond looks more like a mud puddle than anything, and the population
>> is increasing exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to
>> do this?
>>
>> Nancy

[Iguana]

Wouldn't slowly lowering the water temperature to freezing also be a humane
death?



pmwebdesigns wrote:
> The below information is from Koko's Goldfish Site
> Preferred Method: Clove Oil and Tank Water Method
> Buy pure clove oil. You can get it at a health food store for under
> $10 for a ½ ounce bottle. Put the fish in a medium sized mixing bowl
> in his own water from his tank. In a small jar or something with a
> lid (I use a cleaned out jelly jar) mix the clove oil with tank
> water. Put the lid on and shake it like crazy over and over until the
> liquid in it is white. Then pour a little into the mixing bowl with
> the fish. Swirl it with your hand. The fish might fight it just a
> little bit and then slow down. Then pour a little more in and swirl
> again. He should just go to sleep and appear dead. If he doesn't, try
> a little more of the clove solution, always shaking very well before
> an addition to the bowl. When he goes to sleep, leave him in the
> solution for a good 10 minutes and then put him in a small cup or
> zip-lock baggie and put him in the freezer. Pain free death. Very
> humane. We should all go so easily.
>
> Clove Oil and Vodka DON'T USE!!!!
> The clove oil and vodka method is often sited as a humane method of
> fish euthanasia. Clove oil (eugenol) is used as an anesthetic in fish
> for surgery. The vodka is used to disperse the clove oil in the
> water. The clove oil/vodka mixture is placed in water and then the
> fish is added and supposedly dies peacefully. This doesn't work! Use
> the clove oil and tank water method described above.
>
>
> Priss
>
>
>
>
>
> "Nanceemo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many
>> little fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my
>> pond looks more like a mud puddle than anything, and the population
>> is increasing exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to
>> do this?
>>
>> Nancy

[[email protected]]

yes.

"Iguana" > wrote:

>Wouldn't slowly lowering the water temperature to freezing also be a humane
>death?
>


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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yes.

"Iguana" > wrote:

>Wouldn't slowly lowering the water temperature to freezing also be a humane
>death?
>


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Lee B.]

That method has been debated. General consensus is that the fish would not
yet be dead by the time it began to freeze: that means that its fins, eyes,
and other external areas would freeze, crystallize - and hurt - before the
internal functions shut down. Much better to use oil of clove, MS-222 or
something similar first. Push come to shove, decapitation is quick (albeit
messy and traumatic for both the fish and the owner).

And before I start a debate on whether or not fish feel pain, I prefer to
err on the side of caution and make the assumption that they DO and treat
accordingly - than that they don't.

Lee

"Iguana" > wrote in message
.cable.rogers.com...
> Wouldn't slowly lowering the water temperature to freezing also be a
humane
> death?
>
>
>
> pmwebdesigns wrote:
> > The below information is from Koko's Goldfish Site
> > Preferred Method: Clove Oil and Tank Water Method
> > Buy pure clove oil. You can get it at a health food store for under
> > $10 for a ½ ounce bottle. Put the fish in a medium sized mixing bowl
> > in his own water from his tank. In a small jar or something with a
> > lid (I use a cleaned out jelly jar) mix the clove oil with tank
> > water. Put the lid on and shake it like crazy over and over until the
> > liquid in it is white. Then pour a little into the mixing bowl with
> > the fish. Swirl it with your hand. The fish might fight it just a
> > little bit and then slow down. Then pour a little more in and swirl
> > again. He should just go to sleep and appear dead. If he doesn't, try
> > a little more of the clove solution, always shaking very well before
> > an addition to the bowl. When he goes to sleep, leave him in the
> > solution for a good 10 minutes and then put him in a small cup or
> > zip-lock baggie and put him in the freezer. Pain free death. Very
> > humane. We should all go so easily.
> >
> > Clove Oil and Vodka DON'T USE!!!!
> > The clove oil and vodka method is often sited as a humane method of
> > fish euthanasia. Clove oil (eugenol) is used as an anesthetic in fish
> > for surgery. The vodka is used to disperse the clove oil in the
> > water. The clove oil/vodka mixture is placed in water and then the
> > fish is added and supposedly dies peacefully. This doesn't work! Use
> > the clove oil and tank water method described above.
> >
> >
> > Priss
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nanceemo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many
> >> little fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my
> >> pond looks more like a mud puddle than anything, and the population
> >> is increasing exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to
> >> do this?
> >>
> >> Nancy
>
>

[Lee B.]

That method has been debated. General consensus is that the fish would not
yet be dead by the time it began to freeze: that means that its fins, eyes,
and other external areas would freeze, crystallize - and hurt - before the
internal functions shut down. Much better to use oil of clove, MS-222 or
something similar first. Push come to shove, decapitation is quick (albeit
messy and traumatic for both the fish and the owner).

And before I start a debate on whether or not fish feel pain, I prefer to
err on the side of caution and make the assumption that they DO and treat
accordingly - than that they don't.

Lee

"Iguana" > wrote in message
.cable.rogers.com...
> Wouldn't slowly lowering the water temperature to freezing also be a
humane
> death?
>
>
>
> pmwebdesigns wrote:
> > The below information is from Koko's Goldfish Site
> > Preferred Method: Clove Oil and Tank Water Method
> > Buy pure clove oil. You can get it at a health food store for under
> > $10 for a ½ ounce bottle. Put the fish in a medium sized mixing bowl
> > in his own water from his tank. In a small jar or something with a
> > lid (I use a cleaned out jelly jar) mix the clove oil with tank
> > water. Put the lid on and shake it like crazy over and over until the
> > liquid in it is white. Then pour a little into the mixing bowl with
> > the fish. Swirl it with your hand. The fish might fight it just a
> > little bit and then slow down. Then pour a little more in and swirl
> > again. He should just go to sleep and appear dead. If he doesn't, try
> > a little more of the clove solution, always shaking very well before
> > an addition to the bowl. When he goes to sleep, leave him in the
> > solution for a good 10 minutes and then put him in a small cup or
> > zip-lock baggie and put him in the freezer. Pain free death. Very
> > humane. We should all go so easily.
> >
> > Clove Oil and Vodka DON'T USE!!!!
> > The clove oil and vodka method is often sited as a humane method of
> > fish euthanasia. Clove oil (eugenol) is used as an anesthetic in fish
> > for surgery. The vodka is used to disperse the clove oil in the
> > water. The clove oil/vodka mixture is placed in water and then the
> > fish is added and supposedly dies peacefully. This doesn't work! Use
> > the clove oil and tank water method described above.
> >
> >
> > Priss
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nanceemo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> I hate to be asking this question, but I need to get rid of many
> >> little fishies. I've tried finding new homes, but no takers, and my
> >> pond looks more like a mud puddle than anything, and the population
> >> is increasing exponentially. Is there a ralatively humane way to
> >> do this?
> >>
> >> Nancy
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
...
> Well I reckon this is a no win solution here. When you run out of pet
> stores, friends..etc... and park lakes are a no no then humane euthanasia
is
> the only other option. To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.
<snip>

One thing you can do is pay attention to your pond during spawning times.
You could probably do a lot to reduce your numbers to keep an eye out. When
you see the eggs on your plants, etc. Take the plants out and wash away the
eggs. I am not for actively killing critters under any circumstances, but
destroying the eggs is probably an acceptable practice, and would help a
lot, I am sure.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
...
> Well I reckon this is a no win solution here. When you run out of pet
> stores, friends..etc... and park lakes are a no no then humane euthanasia
is
> the only other option. To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.
<snip>

One thing you can do is pay attention to your pond during spawning times.
You could probably do a lot to reduce your numbers to keep an eye out. When
you see the eggs on your plants, etc. Take the plants out and wash away the
eggs. I am not for actively killing critters under any circumstances, but
destroying the eggs is probably an acceptable practice, and would help a
lot, I am sure.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"paul_v_biker" > wrote in
message s.com...
> Where abouts are you?
>
> i wouldn't mind more fry!!
<snip>

I must say this thread is giving me the hee-bee-gee-bee's. Last year someone
started the same thread, and when I asked where the OP was from, as I would
take the fry he/she never responded. I notice, you have not gotten a
response either. Priss...that wasn't you last year was it?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"paul_v_biker" > wrote in
message s.com...
> Where abouts are you?
>
> i wouldn't mind more fry!!
<snip>

I must say this thread is giving me the hee-bee-gee-bee's. Last year someone
started the same thread, and when I asked where the OP was from, as I would
take the fry he/she never responded. I notice, you have not gotten a
response either. Priss...that wasn't you last year was it?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Iguana" > wrote in message
.cable.rogers.com...
> Wouldn't slowly lowering the water temperature to freezing also be a
humane
> death?
<snip>

Don't we mean fishmane? I mean their not human right?

--
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www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Iguana" > wrote in message
.cable.rogers.com...
> Wouldn't slowly lowering the water temperature to freezing also be a
humane
> death?
<snip>

Don't we mean fishmane? I mean their not human right?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Lee B." > wrote in message
...
> That method has been debated. General consensus is that the fish would not
> yet be dead by the time it began to freeze: that means that its fins,
eyes,
> and other external areas would freeze, crystallize - and hurt - before the
> internal functions shut down. Much better to use oil of clove, MS-222 or
> something similar first. Push come to shove, decapitation is quick (albeit
> messy and traumatic for both the fish and the owner).
>
> And before I start a debate on whether or not fish feel pain, I prefer to
> err on the side of caution and make the assumption that they DO and treat
> accordingly - than that they don't.
<snip>

I for one believe they do feel pain...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2983045.stm
http://www.animal-lib.org.au/lists/fish/fish.shtml
http://www.nofishing.net/pain.html


--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Lee B." > wrote in message
...
> That method has been debated. General consensus is that the fish would not
> yet be dead by the time it began to freeze: that means that its fins,
eyes,
> and other external areas would freeze, crystallize - and hurt - before the
> internal functions shut down. Much better to use oil of clove, MS-222 or
> something similar first. Push come to shove, decapitation is quick (albeit
> messy and traumatic for both the fish and the owner).
>
> And before I start a debate on whether or not fish feel pain, I prefer to
> err on the side of caution and make the assumption that they DO and treat
> accordingly - than that they don't.
<snip>

I for one believe they do feel pain...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2983045.stm
http://www.animal-lib.org.au/lists/fish/fish.shtml
http://www.nofishing.net/pain.html


--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[[email protected]]

What happens to nerves as temperature drops?

My mother had knee replacement surgery. They got a new contraption that wraps around
the surgical site and cold water( from a little ice chest) is pumped thru the wrap to
"ice" the knee. Not only does this bring down swelling, it also numbs out the whole
thing. My mother said she felt almost no pain.. actually her back was killing her
from having to lay in bed in one position, that is the only reason she took pain
meds.

Up here in the frozen tundra we understand about "freezing to death".. it happens
every year, and some people they bring back, and all of them report no pain UNTIL
they are brought back. Ingrid

"Lee B." > wrote:
General consensus is that the fish would not
>yet be dead by the time it began to freeze: that means that its fins, eyes,
>and other external areas would freeze, crystallize - and hurt - before the
>internal functions shut down.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

What happens to nerves as temperature drops?

My mother had knee replacement surgery. They got a new contraption that wraps around
the surgical site and cold water( from a little ice chest) is pumped thru the wrap to
"ice" the knee. Not only does this bring down swelling, it also numbs out the whole
thing. My mother said she felt almost no pain.. actually her back was killing her
from having to lay in bed in one position, that is the only reason she took pain
meds.

Up here in the frozen tundra we understand about "freezing to death".. it happens
every year, and some people they bring back, and all of them report no pain UNTIL
they are brought back. Ingrid

"Lee B." > wrote:
General consensus is that the fish would not
>yet be dead by the time it began to freeze: that means that its fins, eyes,
>and other external areas would freeze, crystallize - and hurt - before the
>internal functions shut down.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[joe]

Careful, you'll get the pope involved.

Joe

> the only other option. To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.



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Careful, you'll get the pope involved.

Joe

> the only other option. To bad they haven't made a Fish Birth Control pill.



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[pmwebdesigns]

No. I haven't gotten no fry yet this year.
The person ( Nancy) that started this tread has fry.
I was just saying what I did the one time last year when I ran out of places
for my fry I did have. I guess putting them in the park was a no no but at
the time I didn't think anything about it. Since you educated me on the
matter I won't do it again.
I did come up with an idea when I do need to find homes was to put a note up
at the watergarden places that goes to peoples houses to build ponds. Theres
a paper here that comes out once a week if you are giving something away you
can put a ad. for free. I think its call Tell-N-Sell.

Priss

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "paul_v_biker" > wrote in
> message s.com...
> > Where abouts are you?
> >
> > i wouldn't mind more fry!!
> <snip>
>
> I must say this thread is giving me the hee-bee-gee-bee's. Last year
someone
> started the same thread, and when I asked where the OP was from, as I
would
> take the fry he/she never responded. I notice, you have not gotten a
> response either. Priss...that wasn't you last year was it?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[pmwebdesigns]

No. I haven't gotten no fry yet this year.
The person ( Nancy) that started this tread has fry.
I was just saying what I did the one time last year when I ran out of places
for my fry I did have. I guess putting them in the park was a no no but at
the time I didn't think anything about it. Since you educated me on the
matter I won't do it again.
I did come up with an idea when I do need to find homes was to put a note up
at the watergarden places that goes to peoples houses to build ponds. Theres
a paper here that comes out once a week if you are giving something away you
can put a ad. for free. I think its call Tell-N-Sell.

Priss

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "paul_v_biker" > wrote in
> message s.com...
> > Where abouts are you?
> >
> > i wouldn't mind more fry!!
> <snip>
>
> I must say this thread is giving me the hee-bee-gee-bee's. Last year
someone
> started the same thread, and when I asked where the OP was from, as I
would
> take the fry he/she never responded. I notice, you have not gotten a
> response either. Priss...that wasn't you last year was it?
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
...
> No. I haven't gotten no fry yet this year.
> The person ( Nancy) that started this tread has fry.
> I was just saying what I did the one time last year when I ran out of
places
> for my fry I did have. I guess putting them in the park was a no no but at
> the time I didn't think anything about it. Since you educated me on the
> matter I won't do it again.
> I did come up with an idea when I do need to find homes was to put a note
up
> at the watergarden places that goes to peoples houses to build ponds.
Theres
> a paper here that comes out once a week if you are giving something away
you
> can put a ad. for free. I think its call Tell-N-Sell.
<snip>

You are redeemed. Great idea. So where are you? What kind of fry and how
big? I have some tinfoil barbs that will gobble the little buggers up.

--
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www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
...
> No. I haven't gotten no fry yet this year.
> The person ( Nancy) that started this tread has fry.
> I was just saying what I did the one time last year when I ran out of
places
> for my fry I did have. I guess putting them in the park was a no no but at
> the time I didn't think anything about it. Since you educated me on the
> matter I won't do it again.
> I did come up with an idea when I do need to find homes was to put a note
up
> at the watergarden places that goes to peoples houses to build ponds.
Theres
> a paper here that comes out once a week if you are giving something away
you
> can put a ad. for free. I think its call Tell-N-Sell.
<snip>

You are redeemed. Great idea. So where are you? What kind of fry and how
big? I have some tinfoil barbs that will gobble the little buggers up.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Nanceemo]

First, apologies. I just haven't had time to get back to read the replies, and
it has been a while. And I should have said I'm in Idaho. I usually sign
myself "Nancy in Idaho", don't know why I didn't. : (

Thanks to every one who replied. I found the clove oil idea very interesting,
and will do that. I had read that saltling them and freezing them was humane,
but I only have the fridge-top freezer so space is a problem. I'm cleaning it
out now so I can do that. To tell the truth, I couldn't imagine freezing to be
humane.

Yes, I've called all the pet stores and even put an ad in the paper. Only one
taker so far, and he only wants a few. In my defense, we bought this place a
year ago and the pond was already way too full of fish. We've been trying to
clean up the water chemically and with plants, but it looks like a lost cause.
Pond very, very dirty! I must say, the fish seem to love it.

I won't put them in a lake, because I've watched how fast they multiply and
wouldn't want to start something I might regret.

Yes, I vote for birth control pils! LOL.

Thanks, everybody! I do appreciate your help.

Nancy ... in Idaho. : )

[Nanceemo]

First, apologies. I just haven't had time to get back to read the replies, and
it has been a while. And I should have said I'm in Idaho. I usually sign
myself "Nancy in Idaho", don't know why I didn't. : (

Thanks to every one who replied. I found the clove oil idea very interesting,
and will do that. I had read that saltling them and freezing them was humane,
but I only have the fridge-top freezer so space is a problem. I'm cleaning it
out now so I can do that. To tell the truth, I couldn't imagine freezing to be
humane.

Yes, I've called all the pet stores and even put an ad in the paper. Only one
taker so far, and he only wants a few. In my defense, we bought this place a
year ago and the pond was already way too full of fish. We've been trying to
clean up the water chemically and with plants, but it looks like a lost cause.
Pond very, very dirty! I must say, the fish seem to love it.

I won't put them in a lake, because I've watched how fast they multiply and
wouldn't want to start something I might regret.

Yes, I vote for birth control pils! LOL.

Thanks, everybody! I do appreciate your help.

Nancy ... in Idaho. : )

[joe]

Wow, a quadruple, double negative. Cool.


Joe

On 4/15/04 10:25 AM, "pmwebdesigns" > wrote:

> I haven't gotten no fry yet this year



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Wow, a quadruple, double negative. Cool.


Joe

On 4/15/04 10:25 AM, "pmwebdesigns" > wrote:

> I haven't gotten no fry yet this year



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[Lee B.]

I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
one-way trip isn't appealing. And I realize that I'm anthropomorphizing
here. It's a perfectly acceptable method for a lot of people. And it's
preferable to a LOT of other methods of heard of. It's just not one *I'd*
use, but then - I have oil of clove *and* MS-222 in my cabinet.

Lee

> wrote in message
...
> What happens to nerves as temperature drops?
>
> My mother had knee replacement surgery. They got a new contraption that
wraps around
> the surgical site and cold water( from a little ice chest) is pumped thru
the wrap to
> "ice" the knee. Not only does this bring down swelling, it also numbs out
the whole
> thing. My mother said she felt almost no pain.. actually her back was
killing her
> from having to lay in bed in one position, that is the only reason she
took pain
> meds.
>
> Up here in the frozen tundra we understand about "freezing to death".. it
happens
> every year, and some people they bring back, and all of them report no
pain UNTIL
> they are brought back. Ingrid
>
> "Lee B." > wrote:
> General consensus is that the fish would not
> >yet be dead by the time it began to freeze: that means that its fins,
eyes,
> >and other external areas would freeze, crystallize - and hurt - before
the
> >internal functions shut down.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Lee B.]

I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
one-way trip isn't appealing. And I realize that I'm anthropomorphizing
here. It's a perfectly acceptable method for a lot of people. And it's
preferable to a LOT of other methods of heard of. It's just not one *I'd*
use, but then - I have oil of clove *and* MS-222 in my cabinet.

Lee

> wrote in message
...
> What happens to nerves as temperature drops?
>
> My mother had knee replacement surgery. They got a new contraption that
wraps around
> the surgical site and cold water( from a little ice chest) is pumped thru
the wrap to
> "ice" the knee. Not only does this bring down swelling, it also numbs out
the whole
> thing. My mother said she felt almost no pain.. actually her back was
killing her
> from having to lay in bed in one position, that is the only reason she
took pain
> meds.
>
> Up here in the frozen tundra we understand about "freezing to death".. it
happens
> every year, and some people they bring back, and all of them report no
pain UNTIL
> they are brought back. Ingrid
>
> "Lee B." > wrote:
> General consensus is that the fish would not
> >yet be dead by the time it began to freeze: that means that its fins,
eyes,
> >and other external areas would freeze, crystallize - and hurt - before
the
> >internal functions shut down.
>
>
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> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[pmwebdesigns]

I'm in Coastal Ga. I don't need anything to eat fry right now. Don't have no
babies. I have Koi, Shubunkins and Comets.
I'm putting in a new pond 15x15 and 4 ft deep so I'm good for awhile. I like
the idea of trying to keep watch for the eggs and throwing them out. Good
tip.
Priss


"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
> ...
> > No. I haven't gotten no fry yet this year.
> > The person ( Nancy) that started this tread has fry.
> > I was just saying what I did the one time last year when I ran out of
> places
> > for my fry I did have. I guess putting them in the park was a no no but
at
> > the time I didn't think anything about it. Since you educated me on the
> > matter I won't do it again.
> > I did come up with an idea when I do need to find homes was to put a
note
> up
> > at the watergarden places that goes to peoples houses to build ponds.
> Theres
> > a paper here that comes out once a week if you are giving something away
> you
> > can put a ad. for free. I think its call Tell-N-Sell.
> <snip>
>
> You are redeemed. Great idea. So where are you? What kind of fry and how
> big? I have some tinfoil barbs that will gobble the little buggers up.
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[pmwebdesigns]

I'm in Coastal Ga. I don't need anything to eat fry right now. Don't have no
babies. I have Koi, Shubunkins and Comets.
I'm putting in a new pond 15x15 and 4 ft deep so I'm good for awhile. I like
the idea of trying to keep watch for the eggs and throwing them out. Good
tip.
Priss


"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "pmwebdesigns" > wrote in message
> ...
> > No. I haven't gotten no fry yet this year.
> > The person ( Nancy) that started this tread has fry.
> > I was just saying what I did the one time last year when I ran out of
> places
> > for my fry I did have. I guess putting them in the park was a no no but
at
> > the time I didn't think anything about it. Since you educated me on the
> > matter I won't do it again.
> > I did come up with an idea when I do need to find homes was to put a
note
> up
> > at the watergarden places that goes to peoples houses to build ponds.
> Theres
> > a paper here that comes out once a week if you are giving something away
> you
> > can put a ad. for free. I think its call Tell-N-Sell.
> <snip>
>
> You are redeemed. Great idea. So where are you? What kind of fry and how
> big? I have some tinfoil barbs that will gobble the little buggers up.
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> First, apologies. I just haven't had time to get back to read the
replies, and
> it has been a while. And I should have said I'm in Idaho. I usually sign
> myself "Nancy in Idaho", don't know why I didn't. : (
>
> Thanks to every one who replied. I found the clove oil idea very
interesting,
> and will do that. I had read that saltling them and freezing them was
humane,
> but I only have the fridge-top freezer so space is a problem. I'm
cleaning it
> out now so I can do that. To tell the truth, I couldn't imagine freezing
to be
> humane.
>
> Yes, I've called all the pet stores and even put an ad in the paper. Only
one
> taker so far, and he only wants a few. In my defense, we bought this
place a
> year ago and the pond was already way too full of fish. We've been trying
to
> clean up the water chemically and with plants, but it looks like a lost
cause.
> Pond very, very dirty! I must say, the fish seem to love it.
>
> I won't put them in a lake, because I've watched how fast they multiply
and
> wouldn't want to start something I might regret.
>
> Yes, I vote for birth control pils! LOL.
>
> Thanks, everybody! I do appreciate your help.
>
> Nancy ... in Idaho. : )

What kind of fish? Are they fry or full grown? Maybe some ponders here could
take them. If they are fry, I'd be happy to feed them to my barbs. Let us
know.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> First, apologies. I just haven't had time to get back to read the
replies, and
> it has been a while. And I should have said I'm in Idaho. I usually sign
> myself "Nancy in Idaho", don't know why I didn't. : (
>
> Thanks to every one who replied. I found the clove oil idea very
interesting,
> and will do that. I had read that saltling them and freezing them was
humane,
> but I only have the fridge-top freezer so space is a problem. I'm
cleaning it
> out now so I can do that. To tell the truth, I couldn't imagine freezing
to be
> humane.
>
> Yes, I've called all the pet stores and even put an ad in the paper. Only
one
> taker so far, and he only wants a few. In my defense, we bought this
place a
> year ago and the pond was already way too full of fish. We've been trying
to
> clean up the water chemically and with plants, but it looks like a lost
cause.
> Pond very, very dirty! I must say, the fish seem to love it.
>
> I won't put them in a lake, because I've watched how fast they multiply
and
> wouldn't want to start something I might regret.
>
> Yes, I vote for birth control pils! LOL.
>
> Thanks, everybody! I do appreciate your help.
>
> Nancy ... in Idaho. : )

What kind of fish? Are they fry or full grown? Maybe some ponders here could
take them. If they are fry, I'd be happy to feed them to my barbs. Let us
know.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Nanceemo]

I have a couple of Koi that according to "the pond guy" are expensive Japanese
ones. Then there's the many goldfish, from maybe three inches to maybe six or
eight, tops.

Do you ponders ship fish long distances? If so, I have an offer to take them
and would love to hear how to do that.

Nancy

[Nanceemo]

I have a couple of Koi that according to "the pond guy" are expensive Japanese
ones. Then there's the many goldfish, from maybe three inches to maybe six or
eight, tops.

Do you ponders ship fish long distances? If so, I have an offer to take them
and would love to hear how to do that.

Nancy

[Benign Vanilla]

"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> I have a couple of Koi that according to "the pond guy" are expensive
Japanese
> ones. Then there's the many goldfish, from maybe three inches to maybe
six or
> eight, tops.
>
> Do you ponders ship fish long distances? If so, I have an offer to take
them
> and would love to hear how to do that.

I have not shipped fish that large before, but I am sure Kenco can chime in
with advice.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Nanceemo" > wrote in message
...
> I have a couple of Koi that according to "the pond guy" are expensive
Japanese
> ones. Then there's the many goldfish, from maybe three inches to maybe
six or
> eight, tops.
>
> Do you ponders ship fish long distances? If so, I have an offer to take
them
> and would love to hear how to do that.

I have not shipped fish that large before, but I am sure Kenco can chime in
with advice.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Offbreed]

Lee B. wrote:

> I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
> trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
> eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
> one-way trip isn't appealing.

"Gory" does not equal "cruelty". Being "Icky" does not mean it's
cruel, either.

[Offbreed]

Lee B. wrote:

> I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
> trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
> eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
> one-way trip isn't appealing.

"Gory" does not equal "cruelty". Being "Icky" does not mean it's
cruel, either.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Offbreed" > wrote in message
...
> Lee B. wrote:
>
> > I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
> > trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
> > eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
> > one-way trip isn't appealing.
>
> "Gory" does not equal "cruelty". Being "Icky" does not mean it's
> cruel, either.

Tomato, Tomahto. Crystallizing any part of a living creature is cruel.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Offbreed" > wrote in message
...
> Lee B. wrote:
>
> > I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
> > trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
> > eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
> > one-way trip isn't appealing.
>
> "Gory" does not equal "cruelty". Being "Icky" does not mean it's
> cruel, either.

Tomato, Tomahto. Crystallizing any part of a living creature is cruel.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[[email protected]]

your brain wouldnt register your eye "crystallizing". this crystallizing thing is
out of control.
only nerve cells can transmit "pain" to the brain. all other cells have no pain
receptors. right now huge numbers of your cells are biting the dust without any
conscious awareness on the person's part. in fact, people with Alzheimers are losing
brain cells with no awareness either. Many parts of the body dont have pain
receptors either, or the kind of pain receptors that are affected by ice crystals.
example: I can take blood from the plexus behind a mouses eye by gently punching a
capillary tube into the area. the mouse feels no pain, nor does this blind the
mouse. how do I know? pinch the tail on a mouse and it screams. take blood, no
screaming.
cold temperatures slow down pain transmission and eventually stop it completely.
pain is not some mysterious quantity. it exists within the laws of physics. the
entire metabolism of the fish winds down as temp winds down. and a mere drop in
temperature of a few degrees (hypothermia) renders people insensible.
so cold not only stops transmission along the nerve axon, it also shuts down
reception of the signal. Ingrid

"Lee B." > wrote:

>I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
>trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
>eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
>one-way trip isn't appealing. And I realize that I'm anthropomorphizing
>here. It's a perfectly acceptable method for a lot of people. And it's
>preferable to a LOT of other methods of heard of. It's just not one *I'd*
>use, but then - I have oil of clove *and* MS-222 in my cabinet.
>
>Lee


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

your brain wouldnt register your eye "crystallizing". this crystallizing thing is
out of control.
only nerve cells can transmit "pain" to the brain. all other cells have no pain
receptors. right now huge numbers of your cells are biting the dust without any
conscious awareness on the person's part. in fact, people with Alzheimers are losing
brain cells with no awareness either. Many parts of the body dont have pain
receptors either, or the kind of pain receptors that are affected by ice crystals.
example: I can take blood from the plexus behind a mouses eye by gently punching a
capillary tube into the area. the mouse feels no pain, nor does this blind the
mouse. how do I know? pinch the tail on a mouse and it screams. take blood, no
screaming.
cold temperatures slow down pain transmission and eventually stop it completely.
pain is not some mysterious quantity. it exists within the laws of physics. the
entire metabolism of the fish winds down as temp winds down. and a mere drop in
temperature of a few degrees (hypothermia) renders people insensible.
so cold not only stops transmission along the nerve axon, it also shuts down
reception of the signal. Ingrid

"Lee B." > wrote:

>I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
>trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
>eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
>one-way trip isn't appealing. And I realize that I'm anthropomorphizing
>here. It's a perfectly acceptable method for a lot of people. And it's
>preferable to a LOT of other methods of heard of. It's just not one *I'd*
>use, but then - I have oil of clove *and* MS-222 in my cabinet.
>
>Lee


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Hi Nancy,

If you'd like to side step the catching and continual problem SuperFluke
(SupaVerm) will kill all the goldfish and leave the koi alone.
http://www.pondrx.com/shop/details.php?productId=21&catId=3
I have no idea if this is humane or not, but it is the only way to rid a
pond of all goldfish short of draining and shop vaccing it clean. ~ jan



>On 16 Apr 2004 02:25:59 GMT, (Nanceemo) wrote:

>I have a couple of Koi that according to "the pond guy" are expensive Japanese
>ones. Then there's the many goldfish, from maybe three inches to maybe six or
>eight, tops.
>
>Do you ponders ship fish long distances? If so, I have an offer to take them
>and would love to hear how to do that.
>
>Nancy

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Hi Nancy,

If you'd like to side step the catching and continual problem SuperFluke
(SupaVerm) will kill all the goldfish and leave the koi alone.
http://www.pondrx.com/shop/details.php?productId=21&catId=3
I have no idea if this is humane or not, but it is the only way to rid a
pond of all goldfish short of draining and shop vaccing it clean. ~ jan



>On 16 Apr 2004 02:25:59 GMT, (Nanceemo) wrote:

>I have a couple of Koi that according to "the pond guy" are expensive Japanese
>ones. Then there's the many goldfish, from maybe three inches to maybe six or
>eight, tops.
>
>Do you ponders ship fish long distances? If so, I have an offer to take them
>and would love to hear how to do that.
>
>Nancy

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)