Need help with neighbors accusation

[Bulldog]

Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
anyone have articles saying this is a myth?

As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.

This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.

[Charles]

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
wrote:

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
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I don't see that any article published would have anything to do with
your particular pond.

If it gets really serious I would have local authorities come out,
check the pond, and tell the neighbors that all is well.

public health, vector control, something like that.


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- Charles
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-does not play well with others

[Charles]

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
wrote:

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>


I don't see that any article published would have anything to do with
your particular pond.

If it gets really serious I would have local authorities come out,
check the pond, and tell the neighbors that all is well.

public health, vector control, something like that.


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- Charles
-
-does not play well with others

[PlainBill]

Rather than beat the neighbor over the head with a hose, (as I would
have done), explain to him that you have a species of small fish,
gambuia, commonly known as mosquito eaters in the pond (you do, don't
you?). These eat the mosquito larvae. No larvae = birth control for
mosquitoes.

As far as rats, the only rat you will find in pond is a muskrat.

Of course, a proactive approach, contacting the local authorities
FIRST isn't a bad idea.

PlainBill

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
wrote:

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>
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[PlainBill]

Rather than beat the neighbor over the head with a hose, (as I would
have done), explain to him that you have a species of small fish,
gambuia, commonly known as mosquito eaters in the pond (you do, don't
you?). These eat the mosquito larvae. No larvae = birth control for
mosquitoes.

As far as rats, the only rat you will find in pond is a muskrat.

Of course, a proactive approach, contacting the local authorities
FIRST isn't a bad idea.

PlainBill

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
wrote:

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>
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>

[Colin Forrest]

This site has info on managing ponds to reduce/ eliminate mosquito
populations.
http://www.mosquitoes.org/fish_pond_page.htm

Colin

"PlainBill" > wrote in message
...
> Rather than beat the neighbor over the head with a hose, (as I would
> have done), explain to him that you have a species of small fish,
> gambuia, commonly known as mosquito eaters in the pond (you do, don't
> you?). These eat the mosquito larvae. No larvae = birth control for
> mosquitoes.
>
> As far as rats, the only rat you will find in pond is a muskrat.
>
> Of course, a proactive approach, contacting the local authorities
> FIRST isn't a bad idea.
>
> PlainBill
>
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
> wrote:
>
> >Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats.
Does
> >anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
> >
> >As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is
that
> >the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
> >
> >This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
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[Colin Forrest]

This site has info on managing ponds to reduce/ eliminate mosquito
populations.
http://www.mosquitoes.org/fish_pond_page.htm

Colin

"PlainBill" > wrote in message
...
> Rather than beat the neighbor over the head with a hose, (as I would
> have done), explain to him that you have a species of small fish,
> gambuia, commonly known as mosquito eaters in the pond (you do, don't
> you?). These eat the mosquito larvae. No larvae = birth control for
> mosquitoes.
>
> As far as rats, the only rat you will find in pond is a muskrat.
>
> Of course, a proactive approach, contacting the local authorities
> FIRST isn't a bad idea.
>
> PlainBill
>
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
> wrote:
>
> >Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats.
Does
> >anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
> >
> >As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is
that
> >the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
> >
> >This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
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[Barbara2245]

Charles > wrote in message >...
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
> wrote:
>
> >Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
> >anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
> >
> >As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
> >the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
> >
> >This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
> >
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> I don't see that any article published would have anything to do with
> your particular pond.
>
> If it gets really serious I would have local authorities come out,
> check the pond, and tell the neighbors that all is well.
>
> public health, vector control, something like that.

My yard has a lot of pine trees and mosquitoes will lay eggs in drops
of water trapped on branches. Three years ago we couldn't stay outside
long. I have goldfish who are always skimming the top of the pond for
insects.Good luck.

[Barbara2245]

Charles > wrote in message >...
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
> wrote:
>
> >Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
> >anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
> >
> >As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
> >the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
> >
> >This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> I don't see that any article published would have anything to do with
> your particular pond.
>
> If it gets really serious I would have local authorities come out,
> check the pond, and tell the neighbors that all is well.
>
> public health, vector control, something like that.

My yard has a lot of pine trees and mosquitoes will lay eggs in drops
of water trapped on branches. Three years ago we couldn't stay outside
long. I have goldfish who are always skimming the top of the pond for
insects.Good luck.

[JNJ]

A) Make sure you're taking necessary steps to prevent mosquito infestation
such as fish and even BT.

B) Tell your neighbors to pound salt.

There are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of ponds in residential
communities throughout the US. As long as you are caring for your pond
properly, there's no issue. They can complain all they want but it's no
different than complaining that you are responsible for the alien abductions
in the neighborhood. (It's not you, right?)

[JNJ]

A) Make sure you're taking necessary steps to prevent mosquito infestation
such as fish and even BT.

B) Tell your neighbors to pound salt.

There are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of ponds in residential
communities throughout the US. As long as you are caring for your pond
properly, there's no issue. They can complain all they want but it's no
different than complaining that you are responsible for the alien abductions
in the neighborhood. (It's not you, right?)

[adavisus]

He is making a false and malicious complaint. Demand what evidence he
bases his allegation upon, perhaps remind him it is a felony to
trespass, slander and make false and malicious allegations aka 'mind
your own business'

You are under no obligation or owe him any reason or explanation for
his subnormal intelligence levels

Whether you WANT rats or mosquito's on your property, or not, it is
NONE of his business. for all you know, he is a thief intending to pry
upon your property with the intention of theft or some other ulterior
motive

If it's your property, or you rent it as such, you keep it private and
you tell him so. You could have a word with your local police to
discuss the situation, if you detect this malicious person could
escalate a neighbourly dispute.

Quite possibly the neighbour resents a 'nice feature' or maybe a few
frogs hopping around and just intends to be plain nasty to spoil your
enjoyment of your pond for spite

In reality, a well balanced pond reduces mosquito populations, that is
well known and have absolutely no influence on rat populations.

Regards, andy
http://www.members.aol.com/abdavisnc/swglist.html

"Bulldog" > wrote in message >...
> Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
> anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
> As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
> the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
> This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.

[adavisus]

He is making a false and malicious complaint. Demand what evidence he
bases his allegation upon, perhaps remind him it is a felony to
trespass, slander and make false and malicious allegations aka 'mind
your own business'

You are under no obligation or owe him any reason or explanation for
his subnormal intelligence levels

Whether you WANT rats or mosquito's on your property, or not, it is
NONE of his business. for all you know, he is a thief intending to pry
upon your property with the intention of theft or some other ulterior
motive

If it's your property, or you rent it as such, you keep it private and
you tell him so. You could have a word with your local police to
discuss the situation, if you detect this malicious person could
escalate a neighbourly dispute.

Quite possibly the neighbour resents a 'nice feature' or maybe a few
frogs hopping around and just intends to be plain nasty to spoil your
enjoyment of your pond for spite

In reality, a well balanced pond reduces mosquito populations, that is
well known and have absolutely no influence on rat populations.

Regards, andy
http://www.members.aol.com/abdavisnc/swglist.html

"Bulldog" > wrote in message >...
> Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
> anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
> As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
> the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
> This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.

[[email protected]]

you need to read up on the idea of those gas powered mosquito machines. it takes
weeks because what they are doing is by removing 1 mosquito they are removing all the
later generation from that one. so they attract the mosquitoes to the machine to
start. same with a pond with fish in it. my friend the Pond Lady's land is low and
swampy anyway, but she has lots of ponds not to mention the ponds in the greenhouse
for water plants. and she has no mosquitoes. she got a gazillion frogs however.
Ingrid

"Bulldog" > wrote:

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>
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you need to read up on the idea of those gas powered mosquito machines. it takes
weeks because what they are doing is by removing 1 mosquito they are removing all the
later generation from that one. so they attract the mosquitoes to the machine to
start. same with a pond with fish in it. my friend the Pond Lady's land is low and
swampy anyway, but she has lots of ponds not to mention the ponds in the greenhouse
for water plants. and she has no mosquitoes. she got a gazillion frogs however.
Ingrid

"Bulldog" > wrote:

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Cichlidiot]

Bulldog > wrote:
> Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
> anyone have articles saying this is a myth?

> As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
> the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.

> This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.


As others have noted, as long as you are stocking the proper kind of fish,
mosquitos will not be an issue because the fish will eat the larva. To
convince your neighbor of this, see if your local mosquito control agency
(also called vector control in some areas) has pamphlets describing the
use of mosquito fish to control mosquito populations in waterways and give
that to your neighbor. Or search the web for other mosquito districts that
might have such pamphlets/info pages online. The use of fish is a very
common and effective control of mosquitos. So much so that many mosquito
control districts will seed a pond with mosquito fish for free or a small
fee if the owner requests it.

As for the rats, perhaps a gentle reminder that rats require a supply of
food would be in order. I doubt rats are very good at catching fish or
that the pond would be the big attraction as far as a food source (but
then again, I don't know what your pond area looks like). Still, I bet
there's an easily accessible food source nearby, like garbage, feed grain,
pet food, etc. Again, search the web for pest control agencies and find
pamphlets on rat control. They'll probably recommend things like trapping
the current rats then removing the potential sources of food and sealing
up any entries into the house (assuming their presence in the house is
what is alarming your neighbor, if it's just them outside, well, that's a
problem with nature.... animals don't know the meaning of property lines).

[Cichlidiot]

Bulldog > wrote:
> Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
> anyone have articles saying this is a myth?

> As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
> the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.

> This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.


As others have noted, as long as you are stocking the proper kind of fish,
mosquitos will not be an issue because the fish will eat the larva. To
convince your neighbor of this, see if your local mosquito control agency
(also called vector control in some areas) has pamphlets describing the
use of mosquito fish to control mosquito populations in waterways and give
that to your neighbor. Or search the web for other mosquito districts that
might have such pamphlets/info pages online. The use of fish is a very
common and effective control of mosquitos. So much so that many mosquito
control districts will seed a pond with mosquito fish for free or a small
fee if the owner requests it.

As for the rats, perhaps a gentle reminder that rats require a supply of
food would be in order. I doubt rats are very good at catching fish or
that the pond would be the big attraction as far as a food source (but
then again, I don't know what your pond area looks like). Still, I bet
there's an easily accessible food source nearby, like garbage, feed grain,
pet food, etc. Again, search the web for pest control agencies and find
pamphlets on rat control. They'll probably recommend things like trapping
the current rats then removing the potential sources of food and sealing
up any entries into the house (assuming their presence in the house is
what is alarming your neighbor, if it's just them outside, well, that's a
problem with nature.... animals don't know the meaning of property lines).

[Anne Lurie]

Do you have a pump in your pond? My understanding is that mosquitoes need
*still* water for the eggs to hatch. (Some of the worst offenders are
things like flowerpot saucers, tarps where water can collect, underused
birdbaths, etc. where water can stand -- often unnoticed.)

I don't know how to address the "rat" issues, since I can't imagine why
anyone would think that a pond would contribute to the rat population
anyway.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC




"Bulldog" > wrote in message
...
> Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats.
Does
> anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
> As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
> the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
> This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>
>
>
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>
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>
>

[Anne Lurie]

Do you have a pump in your pond? My understanding is that mosquitoes need
*still* water for the eggs to hatch. (Some of the worst offenders are
things like flowerpot saucers, tarps where water can collect, underused
birdbaths, etc. where water can stand -- often unnoticed.)

I don't know how to address the "rat" issues, since I can't imagine why
anyone would think that a pond would contribute to the rat population
anyway.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC




"Bulldog" > wrote in message
...
> Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats.
Does
> anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
> As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
> the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
> This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>
>
>
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[Offbreed]

Anne Lurie wrote:

> Do you have a pump in your pond? My understanding is that mosquitoes need
> *still* water for the eggs to hatch.

It doesn't have to be totally still.

Minnows are a good thing.

[Offbreed]

Anne Lurie wrote:

> Do you have a pump in your pond? My understanding is that mosquitoes need
> *still* water for the eggs to hatch.

It doesn't have to be totally still.

Minnows are a good thing.

[Susan H. Simko]

I had some brief issues with things like that when I first set up our
pond. The neighbor came over complaining that it was stinking up her
yard. Funny, because I sit in my chair at the side of the pond most
nights and never noticed any smell expect for when I was adding water
and could catch a whiff of the product we use to neutralize chloramines.
Turns out, it was a fly catcher she had hung on her property that was
full of rotting flies. I suspect some people, even if truth smacked 'em
upside the head, would not believe it. I also wonder if her complaint
was in retaliation for my polite request to keep her dog from using our
yard as his personal bathroom. *sigh*

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

[Susan H. Simko]

I had some brief issues with things like that when I first set up our
pond. The neighbor came over complaining that it was stinking up her
yard. Funny, because I sit in my chair at the side of the pond most
nights and never noticed any smell expect for when I was adding water
and could catch a whiff of the product we use to neutralize chloramines.
Turns out, it was a fly catcher she had hung on her property that was
full of rotting flies. I suspect some people, even if truth smacked 'em
upside the head, would not believe it. I also wonder if her complaint
was in retaliation for my polite request to keep her dog from using our
yard as his personal bathroom. *sigh*

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

[Cichlidiot]

Susan H. Simko > wrote:
> I had some brief issues with things like that when I first set up our
> pond. The neighbor came over complaining that it was stinking up her
> yard. Funny, because I sit in my chair at the side of the pond most
> nights and never noticed any smell expect for when I was adding water
> and could catch a whiff of the product we use to neutralize chloramines.
> Turns out, it was a fly catcher she had hung on her property that was
> full of rotting flies. I suspect some people, even if truth smacked 'em
> upside the head, would not believe it. I also wonder if her complaint
> was in retaliation for my polite request to keep her dog from using our
> yard as his personal bathroom. *sigh*

Yeah, sometimes neighbors come up with completely unfounded accusations
when the real problem is something more psychological in nature, such as a
minor form of revenge or some sort of fear. I think many are not even
consciously aware they're doing this, just that somehow in their minds,
something has happened that makes them think you're the source of all evil
in the neighborhood. My parents had to deal with such when a cat-phobic
person moved in a couple houses down. Rather than come out and admit he
was scared of cats (which was my working theory on his problem), he came
over and made wild claims like "the cat food is attracting hornets into my
yard". In actuality, it was all the flowering plants attracting large
bumble bees into his yard, but he wouldn't believe it.

When that didn't work, suddenly the city was getting all sorts of
complaints about minor code issues (such as a large empty wooden wire
spool my dad was using as a work bench on the side of the house for half a
decade, the neighbor and city considered it to be "junk" and my dad had to
tear it down and throw it away). Complaints that stopped when that
neighbor moved out. Of course, there was no city ordinance against feeding
feral cats (which my dad does to tame/trap them and their kittens to get
them fixed and/or adopted), so the neighbor was out of luck in the cat
department. Funny thing that, isn't it.

[Cichlidiot]

Susan H. Simko > wrote:
> I had some brief issues with things like that when I first set up our
> pond. The neighbor came over complaining that it was stinking up her
> yard. Funny, because I sit in my chair at the side of the pond most
> nights and never noticed any smell expect for when I was adding water
> and could catch a whiff of the product we use to neutralize chloramines.
> Turns out, it was a fly catcher she had hung on her property that was
> full of rotting flies. I suspect some people, even if truth smacked 'em
> upside the head, would not believe it. I also wonder if her complaint
> was in retaliation for my polite request to keep her dog from using our
> yard as his personal bathroom. *sigh*

Yeah, sometimes neighbors come up with completely unfounded accusations
when the real problem is something more psychological in nature, such as a
minor form of revenge or some sort of fear. I think many are not even
consciously aware they're doing this, just that somehow in their minds,
something has happened that makes them think you're the source of all evil
in the neighborhood. My parents had to deal with such when a cat-phobic
person moved in a couple houses down. Rather than come out and admit he
was scared of cats (which was my working theory on his problem), he came
over and made wild claims like "the cat food is attracting hornets into my
yard". In actuality, it was all the flowering plants attracting large
bumble bees into his yard, but he wouldn't believe it.

When that didn't work, suddenly the city was getting all sorts of
complaints about minor code issues (such as a large empty wooden wire
spool my dad was using as a work bench on the side of the house for half a
decade, the neighbor and city considered it to be "junk" and my dad had to
tear it down and throw it away). Complaints that stopped when that
neighbor moved out. Of course, there was no city ordinance against feeding
feral cats (which my dad does to tame/trap them and their kittens to get
them fixed and/or adopted), so the neighbor was out of luck in the cat
department. Funny thing that, isn't it.

[[email protected]]

Some people arent happy unless they are busy making other people crazy. Ingrid

Cichlidiot > wrote:
>Yeah, sometimes neighbors come up with completely unfounded accusations
>when the real problem is something more psychological in nature,


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Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
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Some people arent happy unless they are busy making other people crazy. Ingrid

Cichlidiot > wrote:
>Yeah, sometimes neighbors come up with completely unfounded accusations
>when the real problem is something more psychological in nature,


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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Susan H. Simko]

wrote:
> Some people arent happy unless they are busy making other people crazy.

Definite agreement. This particular neighbor didn't seem to realize
that there were many things I could have done about the dog especially
since we have leash laws but chose to politely (and I stress *politely*)
ask her to keep the dog from using our yard as his personal bathroom.
Like many other ponders, I am also a gardener. It had gotten to the
point where I could not work on one particular bed in the fron of our
yard without stepping in dog excrement. (Nor was the smell at all
enticing.) To me, that was excessive.

Ever since then, relationships have been a bit frosty and unpleasant. I
still want to ask her if she would have preferred for me to call animal
control instead? All I wanted to do was be able to weed my flower bed
without first having to scoop her dog's waste.... *sigh* I can just
imagine what she would do if our four cats were allowed outdoors (they
aren't) and used her gradnchild's sandbox as a litterbox.....

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

[Susan H. Simko]

wrote:
> Some people arent happy unless they are busy making other people crazy.

Definite agreement. This particular neighbor didn't seem to realize
that there were many things I could have done about the dog especially
since we have leash laws but chose to politely (and I stress *politely*)
ask her to keep the dog from using our yard as his personal bathroom.
Like many other ponders, I am also a gardener. It had gotten to the
point where I could not work on one particular bed in the fron of our
yard without stepping in dog excrement. (Nor was the smell at all
enticing.) To me, that was excessive.

Ever since then, relationships have been a bit frosty and unpleasant. I
still want to ask her if she would have preferred for me to call animal
control instead? All I wanted to do was be able to weed my flower bed
without first having to scoop her dog's waste.... *sigh* I can just
imagine what she would do if our four cats were allowed outdoors (they
aren't) and used her gradnchild's sandbox as a litterbox.....

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

[Happy'Cam'per]

"Susan H. Simko" > wrote in message
...
I can just
> imagine what she would do if our four cats were allowed outdoors (they
> aren't) and used her gradnchild's sandbox as a litterbox.....


You don't let your cats outside??? !!!
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"Susan H. Simko" > wrote in message
...
I can just
> imagine what she would do if our four cats were allowed outdoors (they
> aren't) and used her gradnchild's sandbox as a litterbox.....


You don't let your cats outside??? !!!
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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

I can verify the frog appetite account. Usually when I mess with my filter
I lift a lid and hundreds of midges fly out this time of year. Well 3 tree
frogs have decided crawling under the styrofoam cover and sitting at the
top edge of the media is prime dining, not a midge to see from that
chamber. ~ jan



>On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:51:19 GMT, wrote:

>you need to read up on the idea of those gas powered mosquito machines. it takes
>weeks because what they are doing is by removing 1 mosquito they are removing all the
>later generation from that one. so they attract the mosquitoes to the machine to
>start. same with a pond with fish in it. my friend the Pond Lady's land is low and
>swampy anyway, but she has lots of ponds not to mention the ponds in the greenhouse
>for water plants. and she has no mosquitoes. she got a gazillion frogs however.
>Ingrid
>
>"Bulldog" > wrote:
>
>>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>>
>>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>>
>>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>endorsements or recommendations I make.

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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

I can verify the frog appetite account. Usually when I mess with my filter
I lift a lid and hundreds of midges fly out this time of year. Well 3 tree
frogs have decided crawling under the styrofoam cover and sitting at the
top edge of the media is prime dining, not a midge to see from that
chamber. ~ jan



>On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:51:19 GMT, wrote:

>you need to read up on the idea of those gas powered mosquito machines. it takes
>weeks because what they are doing is by removing 1 mosquito they are removing all the
>later generation from that one. so they attract the mosquitoes to the machine to
>start. same with a pond with fish in it. my friend the Pond Lady's land is low and
>swampy anyway, but she has lots of ponds not to mention the ponds in the greenhouse
>for water plants. and she has no mosquitoes. she got a gazillion frogs however.
>Ingrid
>
>"Bulldog" > wrote:
>
>>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>>
>>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>>
>>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>www.drsolo.com
>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>endorsements or recommendations I make.

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Moontanman]

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>>>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>>>

Rats are not attracted to ponds for any reason. As for the mosquitos the fish
eat the larvae beofre they ever get the chance to fly much less bite anyone.
Your neigbors are wrong, call the city or county governement. They should back
you up.

Moon
I breed dwarf crayfish for planted aquariums and grow trees in aquariums.
My groups

[Moontanman]

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>>>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>>>

Rats are not attracted to ponds for any reason. As for the mosquitos the fish
eat the larvae beofre they ever get the chance to fly much less bite anyone.
Your neigbors are wrong, call the city or county governement. They should back
you up.

Moon
I breed dwarf crayfish for planted aquariums and grow trees in aquariums.
My groups

[jammer]

I have fished two dead rats out of my small pond. But they do not
breed there, they live and breed in the honeysuckle on the neighbors
side of the back fence. The first time, i don't know why it was there
and the second i don't know if it was a coincidence or if the rat ate
the toadpoles, because they were gone. I don't care to kill anything
and refuse to kill small rats because they want to drink from the
pond, but if I ever catch them killing anything in it, i'll have to
think of something. (I wish the neighbors would take down the
honeysuckle....) If ponds breed rats then so are bird feeders, pet
bowls, grass seed, water hoses, etc.




On 25 Apr 2004 01:13:44 GMT, (Moontanman)
wrote:

>>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and
rats. Does
>>>>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>>>>
>
>Rats are not attracted to ponds for any reason. As for the mosquitos
the fish
>eat the larvae beofre they ever get the chance to fly much less bite
anyone.
>Your neigbors are wrong, call the city or county governement. They
should back
>you up.
>
>Moon
>I breed dwarf crayfish for planted aquariums and grow trees in
aquariums.
>My groups

[jammer]

I have fished two dead rats out of my small pond. But they do not
breed there, they live and breed in the honeysuckle on the neighbors
side of the back fence. The first time, i don't know why it was there
and the second i don't know if it was a coincidence or if the rat ate
the toadpoles, because they were gone. I don't care to kill anything
and refuse to kill small rats because they want to drink from the
pond, but if I ever catch them killing anything in it, i'll have to
think of something. (I wish the neighbors would take down the
honeysuckle....) If ponds breed rats then so are bird feeders, pet
bowls, grass seed, water hoses, etc.




On 25 Apr 2004 01:13:44 GMT, (Moontanman)
wrote:

>>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and
rats. Does
>>>>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>>>>
>
>Rats are not attracted to ponds for any reason. As for the mosquitos
the fish
>eat the larvae beofre they ever get the chance to fly much less bite
anyone.
>Your neigbors are wrong, call the city or county governement. They
should back
>you up.
>
>Moon
>I breed dwarf crayfish for planted aquariums and grow trees in
aquariums.
>My groups

[jammer]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:25:21 -0500, jammer > wrote:

> If ponds breed rats then so DO bird feeders, pet
>bowls, grass seed, water hoses, etc.

ANd i wus ann A stewdent inn inglish

[jammer]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:25:21 -0500, jammer > wrote:

> If ponds breed rats then so DO bird feeders, pet
>bowls, grass seed, water hoses, etc.

ANd i wus ann A stewdent inn inglish

[Stephen M. Henning]

(Moontanman) wrote:

> Rats are not attracted to ponds for any reason. As for the mosquitos the fish
> eat the larvae beofre they ever get the chance to fly much less bite anyone.
> Your neigbors are wrong, call the city or county governement. They should back
> you up.

If you leave fish food around the edge of the pond, rats will clean it
up. Proper sanitation is important.

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[Stephen M. Henning]

(Moontanman) wrote:

> Rats are not attracted to ponds for any reason. As for the mosquitos the fish
> eat the larvae beofre they ever get the chance to fly much less bite anyone.
> Your neigbors are wrong, call the city or county governement. They should back
> you up.

If you leave fish food around the edge of the pond, rats will clean it
up. Proper sanitation is important.

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[Stephen M. Henning]

jammer > wrote:

> I have fished two dead rats out of my small pond. But they do not
> breed there, they live and breed in the honeysuckle on the neighbors
> side of the back fence.

Rats don't live in honeysuckle. There is nothing on honeysuckle they
eat. They may hide there from you, but they live where people leave
food outside for them like around garbage cans, picnic areas, ponds
where fish food is spilled on the ground, etc.

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[Stephen M. Henning]

jammer > wrote:

> I have fished two dead rats out of my small pond. But they do not
> breed there, they live and breed in the honeysuckle on the neighbors
> side of the back fence.

Rats don't live in honeysuckle. There is nothing on honeysuckle they
eat. They may hide there from you, but they live where people leave
food outside for them like around garbage cans, picnic areas, ponds
where fish food is spilled on the ground, etc.

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[rasta]

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
wrote:

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.



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positive vibes, rasta
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[rasta]

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:50:45 GMT, "Bulldog" >
wrote:

>Our neighbors complained that my pond is breeding mosquitoes and rats. Does
>anyone have articles saying this is a myth?
>
>As far as larvae and eggs go, I don't see any. In fact, my theory is that
>the pond is a trap. Mosquitoes might lay eggs but the fish eat them.
>
>This is serious and I hope someone has some ready documentation.



http://www.practical-water-gardens.com/miniarticle20.htm


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http://rynholland.tripod.com/pond/id2.html
http://rynholland.tripod.com/pond/id1.html

[jammer]

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:48:17 GMT, "Stephen M. Henning"
> wrote:

>jammer > wrote:
>
>> I have fished two dead rats out of my small pond. But they do not
>> breed there, they live and breed in the honeysuckle on the
neighbors
>> side of the back fence.
>
>Rats don't live in honeysuckle. There is nothing on honeysuckle they
>eat. They may hide there from you, but they live where people leave
>food outside for them like around garbage cans, picnic areas, ponds
>where fish food is spilled on the ground, etc.


Living as in sleeping and hanging out until dusk. These rats live in
the honeysuckle.

[jammer]

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:48:17 GMT, "Stephen M. Henning"
> wrote:

>jammer > wrote:
>
>> I have fished two dead rats out of my small pond. But they do not
>> breed there, they live and breed in the honeysuckle on the
neighbors
>> side of the back fence.
>
>Rats don't live in honeysuckle. There is nothing on honeysuckle they
>eat. They may hide there from you, but they live where people leave
>food outside for them like around garbage cans, picnic areas, ponds
>where fish food is spilled on the ground, etc.


Living as in sleeping and hanging out until dusk. These rats live in
the honeysuckle.

[Stephen M. Henning]

jammer > wrote:

> >Rats don't live in honeysuckle. There is nothing on honeysuckle they
> >eat. They may hide there from you, but they live where people leave
> >food outside for them like around garbage cans, picnic areas, ponds
> >where fish food is spilled on the ground, etc.
>
> Living as in sleeping and hanging out until dusk. These rats live in
> the honeysuckle.

To get rid of the rats, don't fret the honeysuckle, remove what they are
eating. No food, no rats. They go where the food is.

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[Stephen M. Henning]

jammer > wrote:

> >Rats don't live in honeysuckle. There is nothing on honeysuckle they
> >eat. They may hide there from you, but they live where people leave
> >food outside for them like around garbage cans, picnic areas, ponds
> >where fish food is spilled on the ground, etc.
>
> Living as in sleeping and hanging out until dusk. These rats live in
> the honeysuckle.

To get rid of the rats, don't fret the honeysuckle, remove what they are
eating. No food, no rats. They go where the food is.

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[Moontanman]

>If you leave fish food around the edge of the pond, rats will clean it
>up. Proper sanitation is important.
>
>--

This is true, I didn't think of the extra food around the pond. If you
eleminate any food source rats will leave. If you don't have any dogs or cats
you could put out rat bar poison around th eponds or in the honey suckle. I
hate to kill animals but rats are distructive and spread desease. They should
hot be tolerated around human habitation.

Moon
I breed dwarf crayfish for planted aquariums and grow trees in aquariums.
My groups

[Moontanman]

>If you leave fish food around the edge of the pond, rats will clean it
>up. Proper sanitation is important.
>
>--

This is true, I didn't think of the extra food around the pond. If you
eleminate any food source rats will leave. If you don't have any dogs or cats
you could put out rat bar poison around th eponds or in the honey suckle. I
hate to kill animals but rats are distructive and spread desease. They should
hot be tolerated around human habitation.

Moon
I breed dwarf crayfish for planted aquariums and grow trees in aquariums.
My groups

[Stephen M. Henning]

(Moontanman) wrote:

> I hate to kill animals but rats are distructive and spread desease. They
> should not be tolerated around human habitation.

Unfortunately they are a symptoms of a more serious problem. Filth. If
we don't leave food lying around, there will be no rats. If you live in
a community where filth is prevelant, then it takes an entire community
to solve the problem by cleaning it up. Unfortunately poisoning the
rats just makes more food for the other rats.

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[Stephen M. Henning]

(Moontanman) wrote:

> I hate to kill animals but rats are distructive and spread desease. They
> should not be tolerated around human habitation.

Unfortunately they are a symptoms of a more serious problem. Filth. If
we don't leave food lying around, there will be no rats. If you live in
a community where filth is prevelant, then it takes an entire community
to solve the problem by cleaning it up. Unfortunately poisoning the
rats just makes more food for the other rats.

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[joe]

I read an article the other week in some newspaper that said they are
starting to find more predator animals dieing of internal bleeding.
Apparently, because rat poisons and their ilk typically take ten days to
kill the intended victim, they are ingested by the predator who then also
dies. I used to bait for gopher, rats and mice, but not anymore.

Just another one of those unintended side effects.


Joe



On 4/26/04 4:14 AM, "Moontanman" > wrote:

> If you don't have any dogs or cats
> you could put out rat bar poison around th eponds or in the honey suckle. I
> hate to kill animals but rats are distructive and spread desease. They should
> hot be tolerated around human habitation.



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[joe]

I read an article the other week in some newspaper that said they are
starting to find more predator animals dieing of internal bleeding.
Apparently, because rat poisons and their ilk typically take ten days to
kill the intended victim, they are ingested by the predator who then also
dies. I used to bait for gopher, rats and mice, but not anymore.

Just another one of those unintended side effects.


Joe



On 4/26/04 4:14 AM, "Moontanman" > wrote:

> If you don't have any dogs or cats
> you could put out rat bar poison around th eponds or in the honey suckle. I
> hate to kill animals but rats are distructive and spread desease. They should
> hot be tolerated around human habitation.



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[ajames54]

"Stephen M. Henning" > wrote in message >...
> (Moontanman) wrote:
>
> > I hate to kill animals but rats are distructive and spread desease. They
> > should not be tolerated around human habitation.
>
> Unfortunately they are a symptoms of a more serious problem. Filth. If
> we don't leave food lying around, there will be no rats. If you live in
> a community where filth is prevelant, then it takes an entire community
> to solve the problem by cleaning it up. Unfortunately poisoning the
> rats just makes more food for the other rats.

.... when backyard composting of food waste was a fad around here (12
or so years ago) we started to get rats in very clean upscale
neighborhoods...

not a week would go by but my Mother would find one in her pool.

Fortunately the flies, wasps and stench killed that fad in a year or
two..
still have one or two neighbors doing it but it is not hte problem it
once was.

[ajames54]

"Stephen M. Henning" > wrote in message >...
> (Moontanman) wrote:
>
> > I hate to kill animals but rats are distructive and spread desease. They
> > should not be tolerated around human habitation.
>
> Unfortunately they are a symptoms of a more serious problem. Filth. If
> we don't leave food lying around, there will be no rats. If you live in
> a community where filth is prevelant, then it takes an entire community
> to solve the problem by cleaning it up. Unfortunately poisoning the
> rats just makes more food for the other rats.

.... when backyard composting of food waste was a fad around here (12
or so years ago) we started to get rats in very clean upscale
neighborhoods...

not a week would go by but my Mother would find one in her pool.

Fortunately the flies, wasps and stench killed that fad in a year or
two..
still have one or two neighbors doing it but it is not hte problem it
once was.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On 26 Apr 2004 12:05:12 -0700, (ajames54) wrote:

>... when backyard composting of food waste was a fad around here (12
>or so years ago) we started to get rats in very clean upscale
>neighborhoods...

Another good reason to use those rotating barrels for compost I guess.
~ jan

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On 26 Apr 2004 12:05:12 -0700, (ajames54) wrote:

>... when backyard composting of food waste was a fad around here (12
>or so years ago) we started to get rats in very clean upscale
>neighborhoods...

Another good reason to use those rotating barrels for compost I guess.
~ jan

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)