Toads

[John A. Kostelac]

The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our pond.
Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions for
toad and tadpole control?

Thanks, John

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Patience is the only resource we know.

Build it, they will come.

Wait, they will go.

Wait longer, the tadpoles grow to toadlets.

Result, you have fewer bugs and chop more toads when you mow.

Jim


"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
pond.
> Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
> matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
> TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
> hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
for
> toad and tadpole control?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Patience is the only resource we know.

Build it, they will come.

Wait, they will go.

Wait longer, the tadpoles grow to toadlets.

Result, you have fewer bugs and chop more toads when you mow.

Jim


"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
pond.
> Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
> matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
> TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
> hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
for
> toad and tadpole control?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>

[jammer]

Hi John,

I am a second year ponder. Last year when i saw a million tadpoles, i
thought there would be toads everywhere. Well, there isn't. Apparently
the birds get their share of babies. I wouldn't worry about it.

OR, you could take some of the unwanted bullfrogs in this group.






On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:14:55 GMT, "John A. Kostelac"
> wrote:

>The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around
our pond.
>Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and
in a
>matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
(Houston,
>TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On
the one
>hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it
likely
>indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural
suggestions for
>toad and tadpole control?
>
>Thanks, John
>

[jammer]

Hi John,

I am a second year ponder. Last year when i saw a million tadpoles, i
thought there would be toads everywhere. Well, there isn't. Apparently
the birds get their share of babies. I wouldn't worry about it.

OR, you could take some of the unwanted bullfrogs in this group.






On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:14:55 GMT, "John A. Kostelac"
> wrote:

>The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around
our pond.
>Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and
in a
>matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
(Houston,
>TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On
the one
>hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it
likely
>indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural
suggestions for
>toad and tadpole control?
>
>Thanks, John
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

John,

I don't know how big your pond is. You might monitor the Ph as the egg
season moves on. It can spike from the eggs and tadpoles, if the pond is
small.

Our toads have also begun to sing...crickets on speed. It goes on for a
long time. We too sometimes think the serenade could be worth bypassing at
bedtime. haven't figured out how to do it.

Jim


"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
pond.
> Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
> matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
> TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
> hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
for
> toad and tadpole control?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

John,

I don't know how big your pond is. You might monitor the Ph as the egg
season moves on. It can spike from the eggs and tadpoles, if the pond is
small.

Our toads have also begun to sing...crickets on speed. It goes on for a
long time. We too sometimes think the serenade could be worth bypassing at
bedtime. haven't figured out how to do it.

Jim


"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
pond.
> Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
> matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
> TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
> hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
for
> toad and tadpole control?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>

[tim chandler]

We get Fowler's Toads in our pond - their voice is an unappealing
br-a-a-a-a-a-a-k! Although they lay hundreds and even thousands of eggs, on
average they only replace themselves as far as living long enough to breed
again, unless they are expanding into hitherto unavailable territory (like
our pond). Unfortunately there aren't many other animals that eat toads or
their eggs.

You can scoop the eggs out before they become tadpoles - or, after they
become tadpoles, net them and remove them. That's about the only way you
can reduce their numbers so there won't be quite so many the next breeding
season.

Now, if only we had the American Toad with its beautiful trilling call, I'd
just leave them alone!

Happy Ponding,
Tim

"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
pond.
> Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
> matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
> TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
> hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
for
> toad and tadpole control?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>

[tim chandler]

We get Fowler's Toads in our pond - their voice is an unappealing
br-a-a-a-a-a-a-k! Although they lay hundreds and even thousands of eggs, on
average they only replace themselves as far as living long enough to breed
again, unless they are expanding into hitherto unavailable territory (like
our pond). Unfortunately there aren't many other animals that eat toads or
their eggs.

You can scoop the eggs out before they become tadpoles - or, after they
become tadpoles, net them and remove them. That's about the only way you
can reduce their numbers so there won't be quite so many the next breeding
season.

Now, if only we had the American Toad with its beautiful trilling call, I'd
just leave them alone!

Happy Ponding,
Tim

"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
pond.
> Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
> matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
> TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
> hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
for
> toad and tadpole control?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>

[John A. Kostelac]

Thanks to all.

What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they worse
than the toads?

As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't seem to
get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly different
pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put in a
scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to 50,000
gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area to bog
filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for the fish
and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The chemistry
has always been odd, but steady as a rock.

pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
ammonia=0
nitrite=0
nitrate=max 20ppm
TA=250
KH>300
salt=0.06%

We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large plecos
(no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions of
babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders, and
occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240 watts UV
about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter systems
that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous earth (60
sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a booster
pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl of the
pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year round.
Total aquatic fun.

I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for the last
4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes through.
Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and grows
and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering eggs
(though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor worry. I
had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to see if
it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas anyone?

Thanks,

John


"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
pond.
> Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
> matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
> TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
> hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
for
> toad and tadpole control?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>

[John A. Kostelac]

Thanks to all.

What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they worse
than the toads?

As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't seem to
get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly different
pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put in a
scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to 50,000
gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area to bog
filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for the fish
and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The chemistry
has always been odd, but steady as a rock.

pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
ammonia=0
nitrite=0
nitrate=max 20ppm
TA=250
KH>300
salt=0.06%

We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large plecos
(no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions of
babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders, and
occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240 watts UV
about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter systems
that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous earth (60
sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a booster
pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl of the
pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year round.
Total aquatic fun.

I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for the last
4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes through.
Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and grows
and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering eggs
(though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor worry. I
had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to see if
it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas anyone?

Thanks,

John


"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
pond.
> Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in a
> matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads (Houston,
> TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the one
> hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
for
> toad and tadpole control?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>

[Nedra]

John,
Your pond sounds soo enticing and interesting. Got any pictures
you can put up? On a freebie website of course.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to all.
>
> What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
worse
> than the toads?
>
> As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't seem
to
> get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly different
> pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put in a
> scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to
50,000
> gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area to
bog
> filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for the
fish
> and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The chemistry
> has always been odd, but steady as a rock.
>
> pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
> ammonia=0
> nitrite=0
> nitrate=max 20ppm
> TA=250
> KH>300
> salt=0.06%
>
> We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
> guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large
plecos
> (no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions of
> babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders, and
> occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240 watts
UV
> about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter systems
> that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous earth
(60
> sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a booster
> pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl of
the
> pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year
round.
> Total aquatic fun.
>
> I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for the
last
> 4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
> evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes through.
> Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and
grows
> and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering eggs
> (though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor worry. I
> had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to see
if
> it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
> "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
> pond.
> > Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in
a
> > matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
(Houston,
> > TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the
one
> > hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> > indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
> for
> > toad and tadpole control?
> >
> > Thanks, John
> >
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

John,
Your pond sounds soo enticing and interesting. Got any pictures
you can put up? On a freebie website of course.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to all.
>
> What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
worse
> than the toads?
>
> As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't seem
to
> get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly different
> pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put in a
> scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to
50,000
> gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area to
bog
> filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for the
fish
> and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The chemistry
> has always been odd, but steady as a rock.
>
> pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
> ammonia=0
> nitrite=0
> nitrate=max 20ppm
> TA=250
> KH>300
> salt=0.06%
>
> We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
> guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large
plecos
> (no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions of
> babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders, and
> occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240 watts
UV
> about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter systems
> that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous earth
(60
> sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a booster
> pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl of
the
> pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year
round.
> Total aquatic fun.
>
> I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for the
last
> 4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
> evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes through.
> Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and
grows
> and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering eggs
> (though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor worry. I
> had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to see
if
> it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
> "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
> pond.
> > Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in
a
> > matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
(Houston,
> > TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the
one
> > hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> > indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
> for
> > toad and tadpole control?
> >
> > Thanks, John
> >
> >
>
>

[Ka30P]

John wrote >>
>> What's the deal with bull frogs?<<

After tearing myself away from the description of your pond... wow!
Anyway.
Bullfrogs can wreck havoc in a small pond or in a pond where all the fish are
pets as they will eat fish and other frogs. And snakes and mice and small
children if they could.

They can be very helpful for population control in larger ponds where the fish
are overpopulating the pond.

I am trying to raise local pacific treefrogs in my fishless bog and the lady
bullfrog I'm sure ate all of last year's hatch or ate any returning treefrogs
this spring. I'm trying to catch her and move her.

West of the Rockies bullfrogs are not native and wildlife biologist are blaming
them for the reduction in native frog species out here.
They were imported out west to become frog leg dinners and escaped.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Ka30P]

John wrote >>
>> What's the deal with bull frogs?<<

After tearing myself away from the description of your pond... wow!
Anyway.
Bullfrogs can wreck havoc in a small pond or in a pond where all the fish are
pets as they will eat fish and other frogs. And snakes and mice and small
children if they could.

They can be very helpful for population control in larger ponds where the fish
are overpopulating the pond.

I am trying to raise local pacific treefrogs in my fishless bog and the lady
bullfrog I'm sure ate all of last year's hatch or ate any returning treefrogs
this spring. I'm trying to catch her and move her.

West of the Rockies bullfrogs are not native and wildlife biologist are blaming
them for the reduction in native frog species out here.
They were imported out west to become frog leg dinners and escaped.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Snooze]

"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to all.
>
> What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
worse
> than the toads?
>

Bullfrogs view anything that moves and fits in the mouth as food. That can
be a problem if you have small fish or any tadpoles, or frogs that you want
to raise.

Sameer

[Snooze]

"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to all.
>
> What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
worse
> than the toads?
>

Bullfrogs view anything that moves and fits in the mouth as food. That can
be a problem if you have small fish or any tadpoles, or frogs that you want
to raise.

Sameer

[jammer]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:58:45 GMT, "Snooze"
> wrote:

>
>"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
>> Thanks to all.
>>
>> What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are
they
>worse
>> than the toads?
>>
>
>Bullfrogs view anything that moves and fits in the mouth as food.
That can
>be a problem if you have small fish or any tadpoles, or frogs that
you want
>to raise.
>
>Sameer

Or bare toes in tall grass!

[jammer]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:58:45 GMT, "Snooze"
> wrote:

>
>"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
>> Thanks to all.
>>
>> What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are
they
>worse
>> than the toads?
>>
>
>Bullfrogs view anything that moves and fits in the mouth as food.
That can
>be a problem if you have small fish or any tadpoles, or frogs that
you want
>to raise.
>
>Sameer

Or bare toes in tall grass!

[John A. Kostelac]

I have only one pic of it just now. It is at www.johnkostelac.com. My wife
shot it.


"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> John,
> Your pond sounds soo enticing and interesting. Got any pictures
> you can put up? On a freebie website of course.
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks to all.
> >
> > What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
> worse
> > than the toads?
> >
> > As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't
seem
> to
> > get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly
different
> > pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put in
a
> > scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to
> 50,000
> > gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area to
> bog
> > filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for the
> fish
> > and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The
chemistry
> > has always been odd, but steady as a rock.
> >
> > pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
> > ammonia=0
> > nitrite=0
> > nitrate=max 20ppm
> > TA=250
> > KH>300
> > salt=0.06%
> >
> > We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
> > guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large
> plecos
> > (no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions of
> > babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders, and
> > occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240 watts
> UV
> > about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter
systems
> > that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous earth
> (60
> > sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a
booster
> > pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl of
> the
> > pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year
> round.
> > Total aquatic fun.
> >
> > I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for the
> last
> > 4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
> > evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes through.
> > Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and
> grows
> > and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering eggs
> > (though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor worry.
I
> > had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to see
> if
> > it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas
anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
> > pond.
> > > Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and
in
> a
> > > matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
> (Houston,
> > > TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the
> one
> > > hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> > > indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural
suggestions
> > for
> > > toad and tadpole control?
> > >
> > > Thanks, John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[John A. Kostelac]

I have only one pic of it just now. It is at www.johnkostelac.com. My wife
shot it.


"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> John,
> Your pond sounds soo enticing and interesting. Got any pictures
> you can put up? On a freebie website of course.
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks to all.
> >
> > What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
> worse
> > than the toads?
> >
> > As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't
seem
> to
> > get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly
different
> > pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put in
a
> > scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to
> 50,000
> > gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area to
> bog
> > filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for the
> fish
> > and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The
chemistry
> > has always been odd, but steady as a rock.
> >
> > pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
> > ammonia=0
> > nitrite=0
> > nitrate=max 20ppm
> > TA=250
> > KH>300
> > salt=0.06%
> >
> > We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
> > guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large
> plecos
> > (no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions of
> > babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders, and
> > occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240 watts
> UV
> > about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter
systems
> > that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous earth
> (60
> > sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a
booster
> > pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl of
> the
> > pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year
> round.
> > Total aquatic fun.
> >
> > I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for the
> last
> > 4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
> > evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes through.
> > Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and
> grows
> > and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering eggs
> > (though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor worry.
I
> > had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to see
> if
> > it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas
anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
> > pond.
> > > Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and
in
> a
> > > matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
> (Houston,
> > > TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the
> one
> > > hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> > > indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural
suggestions
> > for
> > > toad and tadpole control?
> > >
> > > Thanks, John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[jammer]

The toadpoles here in the house hatched about an hour ago. (Counted 7
so far) That was 4 days after laying. Wow. I also spotted a mystery
creature in the aquarium. I saw it only for 2 seconds and it's either
a teeny new born fish or a damsel fly nymph. Time will tell. Right now
it is near invisable.

If i had a good flashlight handy i would go look in the pond, but
will hold out until tomorrow to see if those eggs also hatched.

I love spring.

[jammer]

The toadpoles here in the house hatched about an hour ago. (Counted 7
so far) That was 4 days after laying. Wow. I also spotted a mystery
creature in the aquarium. I saw it only for 2 seconds and it's either
a teeny new born fish or a damsel fly nymph. Time will tell. Right now
it is near invisable.

If i had a good flashlight handy i would go look in the pond, but
will hold out until tomorrow to see if those eggs also hatched.

I love spring.

[Offbreed]

John A. Kostelac wrote:

> I have only one pic of it just now. It is at www.johnkostelac.com. My wife
> shot it.

Sounds a little extreme.

[Offbreed]

John A. Kostelac wrote:

> I have only one pic of it just now. It is at www.johnkostelac.com. My wife
> shot it.

Sounds a little extreme.

[Nedra]

Thanks to your wife, John! Stunning picture. Please take more..

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> I have only one pic of it just now. It is at www.johnkostelac.com. My wife
> shot it.
>
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > John,
> > Your pond sounds soo enticing and interesting. Got any pictures
> > you can put up? On a freebie website of course.
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks to all.
> > >
> > > What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
> > worse
> > > than the toads?
> > >
> > > As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't
> seem
> > to
> > > get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly
> different
> > > pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put
in
> a
> > > scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to
> > 50,000
> > > gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area
to
> > bog
> > > filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for
the
> > fish
> > > and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The
> chemistry
> > > has always been odd, but steady as a rock.
> > >
> > > pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
> > > ammonia=0
> > > nitrite=0
> > > nitrate=max 20ppm
> > > TA=250
> > > KH>300
> > > salt=0.06%
> > >
> > > We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
> > > guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large
> > plecos
> > > (no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions
of
> > > babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders,
and
> > > occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240
watts
> > UV
> > > about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter
> systems
> > > that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous
earth
> > (60
> > > sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a
> booster
> > > pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl
of
> > the
> > > pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year
> > round.
> > > Total aquatic fun.
> > >
> > > I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for
the
> > last
> > > 4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
> > > evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes
through.
> > > Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and
> > grows
> > > and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering
eggs
> > > (though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor
worry.
> I
> > > had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to
see
> > if
> > > it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas
> anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around
our
> > > pond.
> > > > Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and
> in
> > a
> > > > matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
> > (Houston,
> > > > TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On
the
> > one
> > > > hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it
likely
> > > > indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural
> suggestions
> > > for
> > > > toad and tadpole control?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, John
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

Thanks to your wife, John! Stunning picture. Please take more..

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> I have only one pic of it just now. It is at www.johnkostelac.com. My wife
> shot it.
>
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > John,
> > Your pond sounds soo enticing and interesting. Got any pictures
> > you can put up? On a freebie website of course.
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks to all.
> > >
> > > What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
> > worse
> > > than the toads?
> > >
> > > As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't
> seem
> > to
> > > get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly
> different
> > > pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put
in
> a
> > > scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to
> > 50,000
> > > gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area
to
> > bog
> > > filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for
the
> > fish
> > > and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The
> chemistry
> > > has always been odd, but steady as a rock.
> > >
> > > pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
> > > ammonia=0
> > > nitrite=0
> > > nitrate=max 20ppm
> > > TA=250
> > > KH>300
> > > salt=0.06%
> > >
> > > We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
> > > guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large
> > plecos
> > > (no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions
of
> > > babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders,
and
> > > occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240
watts
> > UV
> > > about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter
> systems
> > > that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous
earth
> > (60
> > > sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a
> booster
> > > pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl
of
> > the
> > > pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year
> > round.
> > > Total aquatic fun.
> > >
> > > I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for
the
> > last
> > > 4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
> > > evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes
through.
> > > Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and
> > grows
> > > and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering
eggs
> > > (though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor
worry.
> I
> > > had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to
see
> > if
> > > it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas
> anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around
our
> > > pond.
> > > > Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and
> in
> > a
> > > > matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
> > (Houston,
> > > > TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On
the
> > one
> > > > hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it
likely
> > > > indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural
> suggestions
> > > for
> > > > toad and tadpole control?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, John
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[matrix]

Im in Corpus and used to have the same problem until my koi got over two
feet.

Now the eggs get consumed as soon as they are laid FREE caviar!. Lol

But I still have over 20 toads doing the mating game after every rain
storm

[matrix]

Im in Corpus and used to have the same problem until my koi got over two
feet.

Now the eggs get consumed as soon as they are laid FREE caviar!. Lol

But I still have over 20 toads doing the mating game after every rain
storm

[John A. Kostelac]

I noticed that we now have tadpoles, but I can't find any eggs. I guess
somebody in there liked the free meal.

John

"matrix" > wrote in message
...
> Im in Corpus and used to have the same problem until my koi got over two
> feet.
>
> Now the eggs get consumed as soon as they are laid FREE caviar!. Lol
>
> But I still have over 20 toads doing the mating game after every rain
> storm
>

[John A. Kostelac]

I noticed that we now have tadpoles, but I can't find any eggs. I guess
somebody in there liked the free meal.

John

"matrix" > wrote in message
...
> Im in Corpus and used to have the same problem until my koi got over two
> feet.
>
> Now the eggs get consumed as soon as they are laid FREE caviar!. Lol
>
> But I still have over 20 toads doing the mating game after every rain
> storm
>

[Lee B.]

Try baking soda. It has a wonderful habit of wanting to reach 8.4 and keep
it there . . . it will raise a lower pH and lower a higher pH. Your KH is
already high, and a little higher won't hurt. 1 lb. per 1000 gals. will
raise KH by 70 points (dH = 17.9 x number of drops). You may wish to check
the "specific needs" for your more exotic fish, but a higher KH will not
hurt the koi (which is what I mostly know about).

Lee
PS: BTW, I'd *kill* for your pond!


"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to all.
>
> What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
worse
> than the toads?
>
> As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't seem
to
> get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly different
> pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put in a
> scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to
50,000
> gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area to
bog
> filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for the
fish
> and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The chemistry
> has always been odd, but steady as a rock.
>
> pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
> ammonia=0
> nitrite=0
> nitrate=max 20ppm
> TA=250
> KH>300
> salt=0.06%
>
> We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
> guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large
plecos
> (no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions of
> babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders, and
> occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240 watts
UV
> about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter systems
> that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous earth
(60
> sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a booster
> pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl of
the
> pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year
round.
> Total aquatic fun.
>
> I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for the
last
> 4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
> evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes through.
> Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and
grows
> and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering eggs
> (though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor worry. I
> had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to see
if
> it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
> "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
> pond.
> > Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in
a
> > matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
(Houston,
> > TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the
one
> > hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> > indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
> for
> > toad and tadpole control?
> >
> > Thanks, John
> >
> >
>
>

[Lee B.]

Try baking soda. It has a wonderful habit of wanting to reach 8.4 and keep
it there . . . it will raise a lower pH and lower a higher pH. Your KH is
already high, and a little higher won't hurt. 1 lb. per 1000 gals. will
raise KH by 70 points (dH = 17.9 x number of drops). You may wish to check
the "specific needs" for your more exotic fish, but a higher KH will not
hurt the koi (which is what I mostly know about).

Lee
PS: BTW, I'd *kill* for your pond!


"John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to all.
>
> What's the deal with bull frogs? One response mentioned them. Are they
worse
> than the toads?
>
> As for chemistry, I am not too concerned about chem changes. I can't seem
to
> get the chemistry t ever move for any reason. We have a slightly different
> pond than I have read about on the list. About five years ago we put in a
> scuba diving swimming pool. It is 13 feet deep and comes to close to
50,000
> gallons. After a duck invasion we converted part of the shallow area to
bog
> filter/shallow fish and plant area leaving about 44,000 gallons for the
fish
> and us to swim in. It has really livened up scuba practice. The chemistry
> has always been odd, but steady as a rock.
>
> pH ~ 8.8 -9.0
> ammonia=0
> nitrite=0
> nitrate=max 20ppm
> TA=250
> KH>300
> salt=0.06%
>
> We have a huge variety of fish from koi to pacu to angels, including
> guppies, goldfish, gourami's, tiger barbs, clown barbs, 10 very large
plecos
> (no string algae ever), tin foil barbs (large), sword tails (millions of
> babies), water striders (not invited), two small red eared sliders, and
> occasionally 3 humans. We turn the pond over via waterfall and 240 watts
UV
> about 3 times a day. Additionally we have a large particle filter systems
> that runs all the water through in about 3 days and a diatomaceous earth
(60
> sqft) filter that turns the pond over 3 times a day. Add to this a booster
> pump that pushes about 8000 GPH in a nice circle around the main bowl of
the
> pool to provide current. The net is clear water kept at 77F all year
round.
> Total aquatic fun.
>
> I have been trying to convince the pH to come down to about 8.0 for the
last
> 4 weeks to no avail. I have been adding about 20 oz muriatic acid each
> evening to one of the treatment tanks that all the water passes through.
> Again, not budging. Neither is the TA. But everyone eats and plays and
grows
> and BREEDS like mad. Even the tiger barbs were observed scattering eggs
> (though none hatched that we could tell). So that ends up a minor worry. I
> had tried a large bale of peat and running the pond water over it to see
if
> it would lower the pH, but after 3 weeks I saw no diff. Any ideas anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
> "John A. Kostelac" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The last few nights have seen an increase in vocal activity around our
> pond.
> > Last night, it started to lose its beauty about 3 AM. I went out and in
a
> > matter of 2 minutes counted a dozen and a half gulf coast toads
(Houston,
> > TX). This morning the hornwort is covered with strings of eggs. On the
one
> > hand this would indicate a healthy environment. On the other it likely
> > indicates that we will be inundated with toads. Any natural suggestions
> for
> > toad and tadpole control?
> >
> > Thanks, John
> >
> >
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Our toads have also begun to sing...crickets on speed. It goes on for a
>long time. We too sometimes think the serenade could be worth bypassing at
>bedtime. haven't figured out how to do it.
>
>Jim

Mind set. Think White Noise. Works for me. Now my hubby's snoring, that I
could by-pass, just not as rhythmic as a couple dozen frogs. ~ jan :o)


~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Our toads have also begun to sing...crickets on speed. It goes on for a
>long time. We too sometimes think the serenade could be worth bypassing at
>bedtime. haven't figured out how to do it.
>
>Jim

Mind set. Think White Noise. Works for me. Now my hubby's snoring, that I
could by-pass, just not as rhythmic as a couple dozen frogs. ~ jan :o)


~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Result, you have fewer bugs and chop more toads when you mow.
>Jim

I work very hard to remove them, sometimes stopping the mower a dozen times
in an area 30 X 30. This only happens a mowing or two before they're all in
the flower beds or shrubs. Thank goodness they don't like to hang in the
grass normally. ~ jan


~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Result, you have fewer bugs and chop more toads when you mow.
>Jim

I work very hard to remove them, sometimes stopping the mower a dozen times
in an area 30 X 30. This only happens a mowing or two before they're all in
the flower beds or shrubs. Thank goodness they don't like to hang in the
grass normally. ~ jan


~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

You have a good point, Jan.

The toads do head for safer ground than the yard (Ours is about 2
acres...cut by riding mower). The garden has lots of toads; the beds around
the house have lots. The neighbors have lots. A whole army of them hang
out by the back door light for their evening meal...they think it is an
all-you-can-eat food place. Sadly, some do get chopped in the mowing.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at: jogathon.net

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> >Result, you have fewer bugs and chop more toads when you mow.
> >Jim
>
> I work very hard to remove them, sometimes stopping the mower a dozen
times
> in an area 30 X 30. This only happens a mowing or two before they're all
in
> the flower beds or shrubs. Thank goodness they don't like to hang in the
> grass normally. ~ jan
>
>
> ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

You have a good point, Jan.

The toads do head for safer ground than the yard (Ours is about 2
acres...cut by riding mower). The garden has lots of toads; the beds around
the house have lots. The neighbors have lots. A whole army of them hang
out by the back door light for their evening meal...they think it is an
all-you-can-eat food place. Sadly, some do get chopped in the mowing.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at: jogathon.net

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> >Result, you have fewer bugs and chop more toads when you mow.
> >Jim
>
> I work very hard to remove them, sometimes stopping the mower a dozen
times
> in an area 30 X 30. This only happens a mowing or two before they're all
in
> the flower beds or shrubs. Thank goodness they don't like to hang in the
> grass normally. ~ jan
>
>
> ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> >Our toads have also begun to sing...crickets on speed. It goes on for a
> >long time. We too sometimes think the serenade could be worth bypassing
at
> >bedtime. haven't figured out how to do it.
> >
> >Jim
>
> Mind set. Think White Noise. Works for me. Now my hubby's snoring, that I
> could by-pass, just not as rhythmic as a couple dozen frogs. ~ jan :o)

My frogs/toad have been very noisy lately. I still need to figure out which
is making the racket, so I figured I'd hunt down that page with the frog
noises on it, and I found it here,
http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Frogs/default.asp.


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"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> >Our toads have also begun to sing...crickets on speed. It goes on for a
> >long time. We too sometimes think the serenade could be worth bypassing
at
> >bedtime. haven't figured out how to do it.
> >
> >Jim
>
> Mind set. Think White Noise. Works for me. Now my hubby's snoring, that I
> could by-pass, just not as rhythmic as a couple dozen frogs. ~ jan :o)

My frogs/toad have been very noisy lately. I still need to figure out which
is making the racket, so I figured I'd hunt down that page with the frog
noises on it, and I found it here,
http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Frogs/default.asp.


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[Benign Vanilla]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> > >Our toads have also begun to sing...crickets on speed. It goes on for
a
> > >long time. We too sometimes think the serenade could be worth
bypassing
> at
> > >bedtime. haven't figured out how to do it.
> > >
> > >Jim
> >
> > Mind set. Think White Noise. Works for me. Now my hubby's snoring, that
I
> > could by-pass, just not as rhythmic as a couple dozen frogs. ~ jan :o)
>
> My frogs/toad have been very noisy lately. I still need to figure out
which
> is making the racket, so I figured I'd hunt down that page with the frog
> noises on it, and I found it here,
> http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Frogs/default.asp.

OK, according to Frog Tracker, I have an American Toad in Shareholders Pond.
This has to be the warty, bumpy, mean looking dude we found last week. This
is definately the noise I hear all night.

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[Benign Vanilla]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> > >Our toads have also begun to sing...crickets on speed. It goes on for
a
> > >long time. We too sometimes think the serenade could be worth
bypassing
> at
> > >bedtime. haven't figured out how to do it.
> > >
> > >Jim
> >
> > Mind set. Think White Noise. Works for me. Now my hubby's snoring, that
I
> > could by-pass, just not as rhythmic as a couple dozen frogs. ~ jan :o)
>
> My frogs/toad have been very noisy lately. I still need to figure out
which
> is making the racket, so I figured I'd hunt down that page with the frog
> noises on it, and I found it here,
> http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Frogs/default.asp.

OK, according to Frog Tracker, I have an American Toad in Shareholders Pond.
This has to be the warty, bumpy, mean looking dude we found last week. This
is definately the noise I hear all night.

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In >, on 04/27/04
at 09:23 AM, "Benign Vanilla" > said:

>OK, according to Frog Tracker, I have an American Toad in Shareholders
>Pond. This has to be the warty, bumpy, mean looking dude we found last
>week. This is definately the noise I hear all night.

Lucky you. Nature in the raw. :)


Alan

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In >, on 04/27/04
at 09:23 AM, "Benign Vanilla" > said:

>OK, according to Frog Tracker, I have an American Toad in Shareholders
>Pond. This has to be the warty, bumpy, mean looking dude we found last
>week. This is definately the noise I hear all night.

Lucky you. Nature in the raw. :)


Alan

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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

I imagine a riding lawn mower would discourage one from stopping and going,
bigger area, etc. could take all day. ;o) ~ jan

>The toads do head for safer ground than the yard (Ours is about 2
>acres...cut by riding mower). The garden has lots of toads; the beds around
>the house have lots. The neighbors have lots. A whole army of them hang
>out by the back door light for their evening meal...they think it is an
>all-you-can-eat food place. Sadly, some do get chopped in the mowing.
>
>Jim

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

I imagine a riding lawn mower would discourage one from stopping and going,
bigger area, etc. could take all day. ;o) ~ jan

>The toads do head for safer ground than the yard (Ours is about 2
>acres...cut by riding mower). The garden has lots of toads; the beds around
>the house have lots. The neighbors have lots. A whole army of them hang
>out by the back door light for their evening meal...they think it is an
>all-you-can-eat food place. Sadly, some do get chopped in the mowing.
>
>Jim

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[jammer]

****************
They eat lots of june bugs! I have been out back knocking them off of
the fence for a lone toad at the side of the pond. He looks rather
thin. Then that got me to thinking. Maybe i shouldn't be breeding them
here. Maybe there isn't enough food. Maybe if this place could support
that many there already would be that many. But i don't know of any
other water features around here for breeding. I'm hoping "it's all
good"...
*****************

[jammer]

****************
They eat lots of june bugs! I have been out back knocking them off of
the fence for a lone toad at the side of the pond. He looks rather
thin. Then that got me to thinking. Maybe i shouldn't be breeding them
here. Maybe there isn't enough food. Maybe if this place could support
that many there already would be that many. But i don't know of any
other water features around here for breeding. I'm hoping "it's all
good"...
*****************

[jammer]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:07:19 -0500, "Pond Newbie"
> wrote:

>I am thinking if there wasn't enough food, they wouldn't be so
prolific. Creatures have a
>way of knowing when conditions are right. Of course, there are always
unforeseen
>disasters, like drought, flood, heat waves, hailstorms, hard freezes,
etc. that skew the
>natural balances. But I think they are drawn to the areas that are
right for them.
>
>I had lots more babies last year than I have big toads this year.
Maybe they didn't make
>it for some reason. I am *SURE* it isn't lack of bugs, ugh! This
place is bug heaven!
>Perhaps they move on to find a mate from another bloodline?
>
>DeAnna

I hope you are right.

Last year's babies will take 2-3 yrs. to return. I think it's 2 years
for the males and 3 years for the females before they head back to
where they came from. By next year a bigger pond is a must for me.
(For them) (If any survived)

[jammer]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:07:19 -0500, "Pond Newbie"
> wrote:

>I am thinking if there wasn't enough food, they wouldn't be so
prolific. Creatures have a
>way of knowing when conditions are right. Of course, there are always
unforeseen
>disasters, like drought, flood, heat waves, hailstorms, hard freezes,
etc. that skew the
>natural balances. But I think they are drawn to the areas that are
right for them.
>
>I had lots more babies last year than I have big toads this year.
Maybe they didn't make
>it for some reason. I am *SURE* it isn't lack of bugs, ugh! This
place is bug heaven!
>Perhaps they move on to find a mate from another bloodline?
>
>DeAnna

I hope you are right.

Last year's babies will take 2-3 yrs. to return. I think it's 2 years
for the males and 3 years for the females before they head back to
where they came from. By next year a bigger pond is a must for me.
(For them) (If any survived)

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

I think night is the travel time. Cooler. Fewer marauding mowers.

Jim

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"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> I imagine a riding lawn mower would discourage one from stopping and
going,
> bigger area, etc. could take all day. ;o) ~ jan
>
> >The toads do head for safer ground than the yard (Ours is about 2
> >acres...cut by riding mower). The garden has lots of toads; the beds
around
> >the house have lots. The neighbors have lots. A whole army of them hang
> >out by the back door light for their evening meal...they think it is an
> >all-you-can-eat food place. Sadly, some do get chopped in the mowing.
> >
> >Jim
>
> ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

I think night is the travel time. Cooler. Fewer marauding mowers.

Jim

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"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> I imagine a riding lawn mower would discourage one from stopping and
going,
> bigger area, etc. could take all day. ;o) ~ jan
>
> >The toads do head for safer ground than the yard (Ours is about 2
> >acres...cut by riding mower). The garden has lots of toads; the beds
around
> >the house have lots. The neighbors have lots. A whole army of them hang
> >out by the back door light for their evening meal...they think it is an
> >all-you-can-eat food place. Sadly, some do get chopped in the mowing.
> >
> >Jim
>
> ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)