Red earred slider in a koi pond

[Claude Rogers]

Hi guys, my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate. I have
goldfish and koi about 7 inches long and lots of plants in my pond. Will
the turtle destroy everthing and kill my fish or is it going to fit in.....I
know I will need some sort of island for it.....just really don't want
everything tore up.....and don't want to be mean to the turtle either...does
anyone mix turtles and fish and plants in the same pond.....Thanks in
advance Claude

[joe]

Claude,

I've had a RES in my pond for two years now and he is great. They are
supposed to be more carnivorous when young and become more vegetarian as
they age. I don't know how old mine is, but I've never seen him even open
his mouth near a fish. In fact, they often swim right up to him and steal
his pellets. He is also no problem with the vegetation. The only mildly
annoying thing he does is he likes to dig in the lily pots after I fertilize
them. Must think the tablets are candy. Some gravel halted that issue.

Mine swims up to me to get his pellets and is a fascinating creature to have
in the pond.

They do, every once in a while, like to take a walk. If your yard is fenced,
he'll eventually just head back to the pond, if not you might want to think
about how to handle that. Also some dogs think turtles are balls, so be
careful if you have dogs. My dogs just bark at him.

Just shout if you want to know more.

Joe


On 4/28/04 2:36 PM, "Claude Rogers" > wrote:

> Hi guys, my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate. I have
> goldfish and koi about 7 inches long and lots of plants in my pond. Will
> the turtle destroy everthing and kill my fish or is it going to fit in.....I
> know I will need some sort of island for it.....just really don't want
> everything tore up.....and don't want to be mean to the turtle either...does
> anyone mix turtles and fish and plants in the same pond.....Thanks in
> advance Claude



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[joe]

Claude,

I've had a RES in my pond for two years now and he is great. They are
supposed to be more carnivorous when young and become more vegetarian as
they age. I don't know how old mine is, but I've never seen him even open
his mouth near a fish. In fact, they often swim right up to him and steal
his pellets. He is also no problem with the vegetation. The only mildly
annoying thing he does is he likes to dig in the lily pots after I fertilize
them. Must think the tablets are candy. Some gravel halted that issue.

Mine swims up to me to get his pellets and is a fascinating creature to have
in the pond.

They do, every once in a while, like to take a walk. If your yard is fenced,
he'll eventually just head back to the pond, if not you might want to think
about how to handle that. Also some dogs think turtles are balls, so be
careful if you have dogs. My dogs just bark at him.

Just shout if you want to know more.

Joe


On 4/28/04 2:36 PM, "Claude Rogers" > wrote:

> Hi guys, my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate. I have
> goldfish and koi about 7 inches long and lots of plants in my pond. Will
> the turtle destroy everthing and kill my fish or is it going to fit in.....I
> know I will need some sort of island for it.....just really don't want
> everything tore up.....and don't want to be mean to the turtle either...does
> anyone mix turtles and fish and plants in the same pond.....Thanks in
> advance Claude



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[Jim]

>my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate.

According to Robyn's pond info site, the Red-Eared Slider is
omnivorous, in that it can cause damage to plants and animals (fish).
I'd turn down the offer....

Here's a link to Robyn's info on the Red-Eared Slider.

http://www.fishpondinfo.com/turtle2.htm#slider

Jim
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[Jim]

>my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate.

According to Robyn's pond info site, the Red-Eared Slider is
omnivorous, in that it can cause damage to plants and animals (fish).
I'd turn down the offer....

Here's a link to Robyn's info on the Red-Eared Slider.

http://www.fishpondinfo.com/turtle2.htm#slider

Jim
Zone 8a - Dallas, Texas
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[joe]

Well, I guess if you didn't feed it other stuff it might turn to your
plants, but truly, as long as I have had him I've seen no visible damage to
any of my lotus or lilies. He may be munching on hyacinth or watercress, but
who'd notice.

Joe


On 4/28/04 5:05 PM, "Jim" > wrote:

>> my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate.
>
> According to Robyn's pond info site, the Red-Eared Slider is
> omnivorous, in that it can cause damage to plants and animals (fish).
> I'd turn down the offer....



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[joe]

Well, I guess if you didn't feed it other stuff it might turn to your
plants, but truly, as long as I have had him I've seen no visible damage to
any of my lotus or lilies. He may be munching on hyacinth or watercress, but
who'd notice.

Joe


On 4/28/04 5:05 PM, "Jim" > wrote:

>> my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate.
>
> According to Robyn's pond info site, the Red-Eared Slider is
> omnivorous, in that it can cause damage to plants and animals (fish).
> I'd turn down the offer....



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[AZKalEl]

Hi Claude
I wouldn't do it. Turtles eat everything! They tear up your plants
and do eat fish if the can catch one. Mostly lazy, if food is
plentiful they won't eat the fish but they're not shy about nipping at
them. At the least your koi will have shredded fins and bruises, but
if the opportunity arrises, Shushi is served. Plus they make a holy
mess with all the waste. Not worth it. Most people have a seperate
turtle pond.
On the other hand, and OT, tortoises are the best! We have two desert
tortoise in an enclosure in the backyard and they are great. In
Arizona, if they are born in captivity they cannot be released into
the wild and need to be adopted. Ours are two years old and are great.
Since they are endangered, it is kind of cool to be responsible for
them. Of course, I have to keep them away from the pond too cause if
they fell in they'd sink like a rock!

[AZKalEl]

Hi Claude
I wouldn't do it. Turtles eat everything! They tear up your plants
and do eat fish if the can catch one. Mostly lazy, if food is
plentiful they won't eat the fish but they're not shy about nipping at
them. At the least your koi will have shredded fins and bruises, but
if the opportunity arrises, Shushi is served. Plus they make a holy
mess with all the waste. Not worth it. Most people have a seperate
turtle pond.
On the other hand, and OT, tortoises are the best! We have two desert
tortoise in an enclosure in the backyard and they are great. In
Arizona, if they are born in captivity they cannot be released into
the wild and need to be adopted. Ours are two years old and are great.
Since they are endangered, it is kind of cool to be responsible for
them. Of course, I have to keep them away from the pond too cause if
they fell in they'd sink like a rock!

[joe]

Wow, I must have an angel of a turtle. Do you have first hand knowledge of
this?

Joe

On 4/28/04 6:32 PM, "AZKalEl" > wrote:

> I wouldn't do it. Turtles eat everything! They tear up your plants
> and do eat fish if the can catch one. Mostly lazy, if food is
> plentiful they won't eat the fish but they're not shy about nipping at
> them. At the least your koi will have shredded fins and bruises, but
> if the opportunity arrises, Shushi is served.



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[joe]

Wow, I must have an angel of a turtle. Do you have first hand knowledge of
this?

Joe

On 4/28/04 6:32 PM, "AZKalEl" > wrote:

> I wouldn't do it. Turtles eat everything! They tear up your plants
> and do eat fish if the can catch one. Mostly lazy, if food is
> plentiful they won't eat the fish but they're not shy about nipping at
> them. At the least your koi will have shredded fins and bruises, but
> if the opportunity arrises, Shushi is served.



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[Claude Rogers]

Wow!!! I was unsure before, but now am completely confused.....Joe you sound
like you love your turtle, I would love to have one too, just a little weary
about the obvious I guess, I would hate to take it and it not fit in....then
have to get rid of it....not very good at that...Love animals and think my
pond would be a good home as long as it plays well with others...Jim and
azkalel are you speaking from experience or heresay.....Thanks for the
feedback, all opinions welcome......Claude



"joe" > wrote in message
...
> Wow, I must have an angel of a turtle. Do you have first hand knowledge of
> this?
>
> Joe
>
> On 4/28/04 6:32 PM, "AZKalEl" > wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't do it. Turtles eat everything! They tear up your plants
> > and do eat fish if the can catch one. Mostly lazy, if food is
> > plentiful they won't eat the fish but they're not shy about nipping at
> > them. At the least your koi will have shredded fins and bruises, but
> > if the opportunity arrises, Shushi is served.
>
>
>
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[Claude Rogers]

Wow!!! I was unsure before, but now am completely confused.....Joe you sound
like you love your turtle, I would love to have one too, just a little weary
about the obvious I guess, I would hate to take it and it not fit in....then
have to get rid of it....not very good at that...Love animals and think my
pond would be a good home as long as it plays well with others...Jim and
azkalel are you speaking from experience or heresay.....Thanks for the
feedback, all opinions welcome......Claude



"joe" > wrote in message
...
> Wow, I must have an angel of a turtle. Do you have first hand knowledge of
> this?
>
> Joe
>
> On 4/28/04 6:32 PM, "AZKalEl" > wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't do it. Turtles eat everything! They tear up your plants
> > and do eat fish if the can catch one. Mostly lazy, if food is
> > plentiful they won't eat the fish but they're not shy about nipping at
> > them. At the least your koi will have shredded fins and bruises, but
> > if the opportunity arrises, Shushi is served.
>
>
>
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[AZKalEl]

joe > wrote in message >...
> Wow, I must have an angel of a turtle. Do you have first hand knowledge of
> this?
>
> Joe
>
>Yeah I was gonna say, sounds like you got lucky. I've seen them
shred plants in a friends pond, and I know they put off tons of waste.
Of course with any animal related question, you can never say never,
so Claude might get lucky and have one like you do. I think the odds
are against it, let's see what other rec ponders have to offer...
>
>

[AZKalEl]

joe > wrote in message >...
> Wow, I must have an angel of a turtle. Do you have first hand knowledge of
> this?
>
> Joe
>
>Yeah I was gonna say, sounds like you got lucky. I've seen them
shred plants in a friends pond, and I know they put off tons of waste.
Of course with any animal related question, you can never say never,
so Claude might get lucky and have one like you do. I think the odds
are against it, let's see what other rec ponders have to offer...
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

If you have somewhere to put the turtle if it does not work out, you can
resolve your problem empirically. Put it in...feed it...see what happens...

If you have a big pond with koi in it, the waste is not such an issue as the
koi themselves are really good at waste! I used to raise turtles in
aquaria. Moved them from hatchlings to 8 or 9 inches, where they could
stand on their hind legs and climb out if I let them. A single pump and
external filter handled the waste.

Good luck.

Jim

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"Claude Rogers" > wrote in message
...
> Hi guys, my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate. I have
> goldfish and koi about 7 inches long and lots of plants in my pond. Will
> the turtle destroy everthing and kill my fish or is it going to fit
in.....I
> know I will need some sort of island for it.....just really don't want
> everything tore up.....and don't want to be mean to the turtle
either...does
> anyone mix turtles and fish and plants in the same pond.....Thanks in
> advance Claude
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

If you have somewhere to put the turtle if it does not work out, you can
resolve your problem empirically. Put it in...feed it...see what happens...

If you have a big pond with koi in it, the waste is not such an issue as the
koi themselves are really good at waste! I used to raise turtles in
aquaria. Moved them from hatchlings to 8 or 9 inches, where they could
stand on their hind legs and climb out if I let them. A single pump and
external filter handled the waste.

Good luck.

Jim

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"Claude Rogers" > wrote in message
...
> Hi guys, my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate. I have
> goldfish and koi about 7 inches long and lots of plants in my pond. Will
> the turtle destroy everthing and kill my fish or is it going to fit
in.....I
> know I will need some sort of island for it.....just really don't want
> everything tore up.....and don't want to be mean to the turtle
either...does
> anyone mix turtles and fish and plants in the same pond.....Thanks in
> advance Claude
>
>

[KerplunKuK]

I have a pond with three different turtles in. They often chase the smaller
feeder fish I put in. However they leave bigger fish alone. Although
somewhat cruel, its good exercise for the turtles to have something to
chase.
To avoid being flamed, I do feed my turtles stock food, and I offer many
hiding places for the fish, where the turtles cannot get.

--
Victoria Concordia Crescit

[KerplunKuK]

I have a pond with three different turtles in. They often chase the smaller
feeder fish I put in. However they leave bigger fish alone. Although
somewhat cruel, its good exercise for the turtles to have something to
chase.
To avoid being flamed, I do feed my turtles stock food, and I offer many
hiding places for the fish, where the turtles cannot get.

--
Victoria Concordia Crescit

[joe]

Claude,

Waste is a bit of an issue. I assumed that if you had several Koi you have
more than 1000 gallons in which case the load the turtle puts on the system
is less of a problem. I found this site that might help you research more.
Maybe you could email some people with turtles and see what they say:

http://www.tortoise.org/index.html


On 4/28/04 7:14 PM, "Claude Rogers" > wrote:

> Wow!!! I was unsure before, but now am completely confused.....Joe you sound
> like you love your turtle, I would love to have one too, just a little weary
> about the obvious I guess, I would hate to take it and it not fit in....then
> have to get rid of it....not very good at that...Love animals and think my
> pond would be a good home as long as it plays well with others...Jim and
> azkalel are you speaking from experience or heresay.....Thanks for the
> feedback, all opinions welcome......Claude



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[joe]

Claude,

Waste is a bit of an issue. I assumed that if you had several Koi you have
more than 1000 gallons in which case the load the turtle puts on the system
is less of a problem. I found this site that might help you research more.
Maybe you could email some people with turtles and see what they say:

http://www.tortoise.org/index.html


On 4/28/04 7:14 PM, "Claude Rogers" > wrote:

> Wow!!! I was unsure before, but now am completely confused.....Joe you sound
> like you love your turtle, I would love to have one too, just a little weary
> about the obvious I guess, I would hate to take it and it not fit in....then
> have to get rid of it....not very good at that...Love animals and think my
> pond would be a good home as long as it plays well with others...Jim and
> azkalel are you speaking from experience or heresay.....Thanks for the
> feedback, all opinions welcome......Claude



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[Glenn Lynn]

I guess it is time for me to jump in here and add my two cents. With
few exceptions, no one has answered your question. It seems most
responses are lumping all turtles into the same category. All
hominoid (monkeys, gorillas and humans) are not alike, or are all
birds or turtles. I am not going to be guilty of giving you advice
about something I am not qualified to answer. My advice is to use
your favorite search engine and research Red Earred Slider Turtles on
your own. I have two turtles, fish and plants and have absolutely no
problems. Notice I did not mention the species of turtles because I
don't want to influence your decision.

Good luck, Glenn

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:36:38 -0400, "Claude Rogers" >
wrote:

>Hi guys, my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate. I have
>goldfish and koi about 7 inches long and lots of plants in my pond. Will
>the turtle destroy everthing and kill my fish or is it going to fit in.....I
>know I will need some sort of island for it.....just really don't want
>everything tore up.....and don't want to be mean to the turtle either...does
>anyone mix turtles and fish and plants in the same pond.....Thanks in
>advance Claude
>

[Glenn Lynn]

I guess it is time for me to jump in here and add my two cents. With
few exceptions, no one has answered your question. It seems most
responses are lumping all turtles into the same category. All
hominoid (monkeys, gorillas and humans) are not alike, or are all
birds or turtles. I am not going to be guilty of giving you advice
about something I am not qualified to answer. My advice is to use
your favorite search engine and research Red Earred Slider Turtles on
your own. I have two turtles, fish and plants and have absolutely no
problems. Notice I did not mention the species of turtles because I
don't want to influence your decision.

Good luck, Glenn

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:36:38 -0400, "Claude Rogers" >
wrote:

>Hi guys, my friend has a red earred slider he wants to relocate. I have
>goldfish and koi about 7 inches long and lots of plants in my pond. Will
>the turtle destroy everthing and kill my fish or is it going to fit in.....I
>know I will need some sort of island for it.....just really don't want
>everything tore up.....and don't want to be mean to the turtle either...does
>anyone mix turtles and fish and plants in the same pond.....Thanks in
>advance Claude
>

[[email protected]]

In >, on 04/28/04
at 06:45 PM, joe > said:

>Wow, I must have an angel of a turtle. Do you have first hand knowledge
>of this?

My painted turtle chases the fish occasionally, but can't catch them (they
swim circles around him - it's fun to watch.) I assume he could catch a
fish if it was sick, but that's how nature works.


Alan

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In >, on 04/28/04
at 06:45 PM, joe > said:

>Wow, I must have an angel of a turtle. Do you have first hand knowledge
>of this?

My painted turtle chases the fish occasionally, but can't catch them (they
swim circles around him - it's fun to watch.) I assume he could catch a
fish if it was sick, but that's how nature works.


Alan

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[Ka30P]

I have had two painted turtles and one red-earred slider in my 3,000 gallon
pond at the same time. I never noticed any plant or fish damage.

I did keep a lot of plants in the pond, had lots of baby fish. I really didn't
care if some of it, or them, got eaten. But I never noticed them eating them.

I ran a 150 gallon stock tank mech/biological/plant filter. Kept up with koi,
goldfish, turtle and bullfrog business.

I have an island in the middle of my pond for safe sunbathing (important for
turtle health).

I never fed them. They ate koi food, plants and fish (I'm sure) and I made sure
they had lots of garden snails tossed on their island.

It worked for me!


kathy :-)
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[Ka30P]

I have had two painted turtles and one red-earred slider in my 3,000 gallon
pond at the same time. I never noticed any plant or fish damage.

I did keep a lot of plants in the pond, had lots of baby fish. I really didn't
care if some of it, or them, got eaten. But I never noticed them eating them.

I ran a 150 gallon stock tank mech/biological/plant filter. Kept up with koi,
goldfish, turtle and bullfrog business.

I have an island in the middle of my pond for safe sunbathing (important for
turtle health).

I never fed them. They ate koi food, plants and fish (I'm sure) and I made sure
they had lots of garden snails tossed on their island.

It worked for me!


kathy :-)
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