Help training shy Koi

[Edward Haworth]

About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).

I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
(there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
stick.

Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
starting to open and I imagine these will help.

I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
spooked.

Cheers,
Ed

[BenignVanilla]

"Edward Haworth" > wrote in message
...
> About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
> colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
>
> I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
> new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
> underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
> (there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
> year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
> start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
> stick.
>
> Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
> bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
> London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
> starting to open and I imagine these will help.
>
> I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
> spooked.

Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps to
drink a beer or two whilst you do this.

BV.

[BenignVanilla]

"Edward Haworth" > wrote in message
...
> About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
> colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
>
> I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
> new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
> underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
> (there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
> year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
> start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
> stick.
>
> Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
> bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
> London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
> starting to open and I imagine these will help.
>
> I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
> spooked.

Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps to
drink a beer or two whilst you do this.

BV.

[Just Me \Koi\]

Especially Guinness Stout!

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like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Edward Haworth" > wrote in message
> ...
> > About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
> > colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
> >
> > I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
> > new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
> > underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
> > (there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
> > year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
> > start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
> > stick.
> >
> > Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
> > bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
> > London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
> > starting to open and I imagine these will help.
> >
> > I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
> > spooked.
>
> Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps to
> drink a beer or two whilst you do this.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

Especially Guinness Stout!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Edward Haworth" > wrote in message
> ...
> > About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
> > colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
> >
> > I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
> > new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
> > underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
> > (there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
> > year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
> > start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
> > stick.
> >
> > Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
> > bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
> > London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
> > starting to open and I imagine these will help.
> >
> > I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
> > spooked.
>
> Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps to
> drink a beer or two whilst you do this.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Happy'Cam'per]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
> Especially Guinness Stout!

LOL...Alcoholic Koi Keepers.
FWIW, Guinness is especially good for vegetarians and ladies on their period
as it contains a high count of iron!
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

[Happy'Cam'per]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
> Especially Guinness Stout!

LOL...Alcoholic Koi Keepers.
FWIW, Guinness is especially good for vegetarians and ladies on their period
as it contains a high count of iron!
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

[Steve and Lisa]

For hubby it's New Castle Brown ...and he actually does drink it by the pond
in a pint glass (bought some for him at World market that are the real
thing). If he can't find Newkie Brown ......then he'll settle for
Boddingtons in the can with a widget or a Fosters Bitter. ;) True Englishmen
love their lager. (I prefer a Shandy myself or a glass of Sangria.)

Lisa

ps....we do have two new tiny butterfly koi that stick together and don't
seem to enjoy eating with the other 4 fish we have. :(

[Steve and Lisa]

For hubby it's New Castle Brown ...and he actually does drink it by the pond
in a pint glass (bought some for him at World market that are the real
thing). If he can't find Newkie Brown ......then he'll settle for
Boddingtons in the can with a widget or a Fosters Bitter. ;) True Englishmen
love their lager. (I prefer a Shandy myself or a glass of Sangria.)

Lisa

ps....we do have two new tiny butterfly koi that stick together and don't
seem to enjoy eating with the other 4 fish we have. :(

[Edward Haworth]

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:34:01 -0400, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:
>
>Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps to
>drink a beer or two whilst you do this.
>
>BV.
>


Thanks - I'll try and be more patient. The weather is just getting to
the point where I can indeed drink a few beers by the pond (not the
last few days though!).
Ed

[Edward Haworth]

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:34:01 -0400, "BenignVanilla"
> wrote:
>
>Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps to
>drink a beer or two whilst you do this.
>
>BV.
>


Thanks - I'll try and be more patient. The weather is just getting to
the point where I can indeed drink a few beers by the pond (not the
last few days though!).
Ed

[Benign Vanilla]

"Edward Haworth" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:34:01 -0400, "BenignVanilla"
> > wrote:
> >
> >Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps
to
> >drink a beer or two whilst you do this.
> >
> >BV.
> >
>
>
> Thanks - I'll try and be more patient. The weather is just getting to
> the point where I can indeed drink a few beers by the pond (not the
> last few days though!).

I have learned over the past year or so the only thing that is more
important then water in your pond, is patience in the ponder.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Edward Haworth" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:34:01 -0400, "BenignVanilla"
> > wrote:
> >
> >Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps
to
> >drink a beer or two whilst you do this.
> >
> >BV.
> >
>
>
> Thanks - I'll try and be more patient. The weather is just getting to
> the point where I can indeed drink a few beers by the pond (not the
> last few days though!).

I have learned over the past year or so the only thing that is more
important then water in your pond, is patience in the ponder.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[joe]

Oh good, drunken, vegan, women on their period.

Joe

On 4/29/04 4:33 AM, "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote:

> FWIW, Guinness is especially good for vegetarians and ladies on their period
> as it contains a high count of iron!



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[joe]

Oh good, drunken, vegan, women on their period.

Joe

On 4/29/04 4:33 AM, "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote:

> FWIW, Guinness is especially good for vegetarians and ladies on their period
> as it contains a high count of iron!



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[Benign Vanilla]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> Oh good, drunken, vegan, women on their period.

SOMLOL.

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BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> Oh good, drunken, vegan, women on their period.

SOMLOL.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Wow! BV's method is amazingly versitile. Works for training koi too.


Jim

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"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Edward Haworth" > wrote in message
> ...
> > About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
> > colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
> >
> > I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
> > new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
> > underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
> > (there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
> > year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
> > start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
> > stick.
> >
> > Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
> > bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
> > London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
> > starting to open and I imagine these will help.
> >
> > I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
> > spooked.
>
> Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps to
> drink a beer or two whilst you do this.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Wow! BV's method is amazingly versitile. Works for training koi too.


Jim

--
____________________________________________
See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at: jogathon.net

"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Edward Haworth" > wrote in message
> ...
> > About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
> > colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
> >
> > I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
> > new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
> > underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
> > (there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
> > year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
> > start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
> > stick.
> >
> > Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
> > bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
> > London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
> > starting to open and I imagine these will help.
> >
> > I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
> > spooked.
>
> Patience young padawon. Sit by the pond, and let them see you. It helps to
> drink a beer or two whilst you do this.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
. ..
> Wow! BV's method is amazingly versitile. Works for training koi too.
<snip>

It's an all purpose tool, and I decided to withdraw my patent and share it
with the world.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
. ..
> Wow! BV's method is amazingly versitile. Works for training koi too.
<snip>

It's an all purpose tool, and I decided to withdraw my patent and share it
with the world.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

NUMBER ONE RULE OF PONDING:

#1 Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
(nagging uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality,
ammonia, nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.

Now if I could only teach BV to paste that, along with his patience quote
(which is the #2 rule), I'd be a happy rec.ponder. ;o) ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website


>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:42:17 +0100, Edward Haworth > wrote:

>About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
>colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
>
>I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
>new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
>underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
>(there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
>year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
>start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
>stick.
>
>Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
>bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
>London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
>starting to open and I imagine these will help.
>
>I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
>spooked.
>
>Cheers,
>Ed

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

NUMBER ONE RULE OF PONDING:

#1 Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
(nagging uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality,
ammonia, nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.

Now if I could only teach BV to paste that, along with his patience quote
(which is the #2 rule), I'd be a happy rec.ponder. ;o) ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website


>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:42:17 +0100, Edward Haworth > wrote:

>About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
>colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
>
>I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
>new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
>underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
>(there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
>year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
>start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
>stick.
>
>Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
>bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
>London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
>starting to open and I imagine these will help.
>
>I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
>spooked.
>
>Cheers,
>Ed

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> NUMBER ONE RULE OF PONDING:
>
> #1 Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
> (nagging uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality,
> ammonia, nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.
>
> Now if I could only teach BV to paste that, along with his patience quote
> (which is the #2 rule), I'd be a happy rec.ponder. ;o) ~ jan

ooh...I love lists...let's keep this thread alive...

1. Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve (nagging
uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality, ammonia,
nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.

2. The only thing more important then water in the pond, is patience in the
ponder. Most problems can be solved by just sitting patiently and letting
nature take control. This rule is invalid unless rule #1 has been observed.

3. Algae are not bad.

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> NUMBER ONE RULE OF PONDING:
>
> #1 Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
> (nagging uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality,
> ammonia, nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.
>
> Now if I could only teach BV to paste that, along with his patience quote
> (which is the #2 rule), I'd be a happy rec.ponder. ;o) ~ jan

ooh...I love lists...let's keep this thread alive...

1. Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve (nagging
uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality, ammonia,
nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.

2. The only thing more important then water in the pond, is patience in the
ponder. Most problems can be solved by just sitting patiently and letting
nature take control. This rule is invalid unless rule #1 has been observed.

3. Algae are not bad.

[Just Me \Koi\]

So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my relationship
with Guinness?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Especially Guinness Stout!
>
> LOL...Alcoholic Koi Keepers.
> FWIW, Guinness is especially good for vegetarians and ladies on their
period
> as it contains a high count of iron!
> --
> **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my relationship
with Guinness?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Especially Guinness Stout!
>
> LOL...Alcoholic Koi Keepers.
> FWIW, Guinness is especially good for vegetarians and ladies on their
period
> as it contains a high count of iron!
> --
> **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

You left off the beer in the hand! That's the most critical part of
patience Dude!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> > NUMBER ONE RULE OF PONDING:
> >
> > #1 Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
> > (nagging uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality,
> > ammonia, nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.
> >
> > Now if I could only teach BV to paste that, along with his patience
quote
> > (which is the #2 rule), I'd be a happy rec.ponder. ;o) ~ jan
>
> ooh...I love lists...let's keep this thread alive...
>
> 1. Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
(nagging
> uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality, ammonia,
> nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.
>
> 2. The only thing more important then water in the pond, is patience in
the
> ponder. Most problems can be solved by just sitting patiently and letting
> nature take control. This rule is invalid unless rule #1 has been
observed.
>
> 3. Algae are not bad.
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

You left off the beer in the hand! That's the most critical part of
patience Dude!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> > NUMBER ONE RULE OF PONDING:
> >
> > #1 Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
> > (nagging uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality,
> > ammonia, nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.
> >
> > Now if I could only teach BV to paste that, along with his patience
quote
> > (which is the #2 rule), I'd be a happy rec.ponder. ;o) ~ jan
>
> ooh...I love lists...let's keep this thread alive...
>
> 1. Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
(nagging
> uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality, ammonia,
> nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.
>
> 2. The only thing more important then water in the pond, is patience in
the
> ponder. Most problems can be solved by just sitting patiently and letting
> nature take control. This rule is invalid unless rule #1 has been
observed.
>
> 3. Algae are not bad.
>
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my relationship
> with Guinness?
<snip>

A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the Baltimore
area. :)

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my relationship
> with Guinness?
<snip>

A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the Baltimore
area. :)

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[joe]

I think we should have the "Million Man Beer March"

Joe

On 4/30/04 8:25 AM, "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote:

> So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my relationship
> with Guinness?



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[joe]

I think we should have the "Million Man Beer March"

Joe

On 4/30/04 8:25 AM, "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote:

> So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my relationship
> with Guinness?



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[Edward Haworth]

Ammonia, nitrite are negative, nitrate is just a trace <10 mg/l.
KH is about 10 dH
GH is >16 dH
pH is 7.6

I can only compare to aquarium water but the only one of these
parameters that is slightly concerning is the GH - this is due to the
hard water that originally filled the pond and there is very little I
can do about this. Certainly other Koi have been fine in this pond in
the past, again in hard London water.


On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:18:32 GMT, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>NUMBER ONE RULE OF PONDING:
>
>#1 Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
>(nagging uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality,
>ammonia, nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.
>
>Now if I could only teach BV to paste that, along with his patience quote
>(which is the #2 rule), I'd be a happy rec.ponder. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
>See my ponds and filter design:
>http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website
>
>
>>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:42:17 +0100, Edward Haworth > wrote:
>
>>About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
>>colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
>>
>>I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
>>new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
>>underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
>>(there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
>>year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
>>start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
>>stick.
>>
>>Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
>>bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
>>London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
>>starting to open and I imagine these will help.
>>
>>I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
>>spooked.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Ed

[Edward Haworth]

Ammonia, nitrite are negative, nitrate is just a trace <10 mg/l.
KH is about 10 dH
GH is >16 dH
pH is 7.6

I can only compare to aquarium water but the only one of these
parameters that is slightly concerning is the GH - this is due to the
hard water that originally filled the pond and there is very little I
can do about this. Certainly other Koi have been fine in this pond in
the past, again in hard London water.


On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:18:32 GMT, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>NUMBER ONE RULE OF PONDING:
>
>#1 Whenever fish, new or old, are acting in a way you don't approve
>(nagging uncomfortable feeling on your part) Check your water quality,
>ammonia, nitrite, pH, KH & nitrate. Then report here.
>
>Now if I could only teach BV to paste that, along with his patience quote
>(which is the #2 rule), I'd be a happy rec.ponder. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
>See my ponds and filter design:
>http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website
>
>
>>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:42:17 +0100, Edward Haworth > wrote:
>
>>About 6 weeks ago I restocked the pond with some young Koi (~2" mixed
>>colour mostly but two 4" ghosts as well).
>>
>>I appreciate that fish usally take a while to become acclimatised to a
>>new home but they have been constantly hiding, mostly grouped together
>>underneatha patch where the liner overhangs. They ignore all food
>>(there is plenty of crap on the bottom for them to eat a this time of
>>year though). By this point, late spring, I'd have expected them to
>>start coming out of their shells a bit and maybe taking the odd food
>>stick.
>>
>>Does anyone have any advice as to how I could help calm them down a
>>bit (they are in no danger from predators, its a steep walled central
>>London pond so no Herons/Kingfishers etc.). Water lilies are just
>>starting to open and I imagine these will help.
>>
>>I'm not worried aobut their health, they seem well and active when
>>spooked.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Ed

[Benign Vanilla]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> I think we should have the "Million Man Beer March"
>
I am so there.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> I think we should have the "Million Man Beer March"
>
I am so there.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Snooze]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> I think we should have the "Million Man Beer March"
>
Isn't that what a NASCAR race is?

[Snooze]

"joe" > wrote in message
...
> I think we should have the "Million Man Beer March"
>
Isn't that what a NASCAR race is?

[Just Me \Koi\]

July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
Vegas, then Baltimore.

Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit will
include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and 9
months?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> ...
> > So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my
relationship
> > with Guinness?
> <snip>
>
> A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the Baltimore
> area. :)
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
Vegas, then Baltimore.

Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit will
include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and 9
months?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> ...
> > So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my
relationship
> > with Guinness?
> <snip>
>
> A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the Baltimore
> area. :)
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

I just realize that I have many things to drink to. I have all the bases
covered!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Snooze" > wrote in message
. com...
> "joe" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I think we should have the "Million Man Beer March"
> >
> Isn't that what a NASCAR race is?
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

I just realize that I have many things to drink to. I have all the bases
covered!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Snooze" > wrote in message
. com...
> "joe" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I think we should have the "Million Man Beer March"
> >
> Isn't that what a NASCAR race is?
>
>

[RichToyBox]

In Baltimore the Inner Harbor is very nice, with shopping and aquarium.
They also have a wonderful railway museum. Annapolis, for the naval
academy. DC, too many things to mention. National Zoo, Smithsonian,
Capital, Whitehouse, Washington Monument, Bureau of Printing & Engraving.
Many have tours, but some do to terrorism, are closed or limited. Richmond,
my ponds. Williamsburg, Jamestown, and Yorktown for the history buffs,
Norfolk for the Navy ships, and Virginia Beach for the beach and fishing.
"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
> July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> Vegas, then Baltimore.
>
> Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
will
> include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and
9
> months?
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my
> relationship
> > > with Guinness?
> > <snip>
> >
> > A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the Baltimore
> > area. :)
> >
> > --
> > BV.
> > www.iheartmypond.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[RichToyBox]

In Baltimore the Inner Harbor is very nice, with shopping and aquarium.
They also have a wonderful railway museum. Annapolis, for the naval
academy. DC, too many things to mention. National Zoo, Smithsonian,
Capital, Whitehouse, Washington Monument, Bureau of Printing & Engraving.
Many have tours, but some do to terrorism, are closed or limited. Richmond,
my ponds. Williamsburg, Jamestown, and Yorktown for the history buffs,
Norfolk for the Navy ships, and Virginia Beach for the beach and fishing.
"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
> July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> Vegas, then Baltimore.
>
> Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
will
> include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and
9
> months?
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my
> relationship
> > > with Guinness?
> > <snip>
> >
> > A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the Baltimore
> > area. :)
> >
> > --
> > BV.
> > www.iheartmypond.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

RTB,
I went to college out there by Norfolk, Virginia. But thanks for the
reminder of all the beautiful cultural things! Having lived out here in
California for 2 decades now, I have forgotten CULTURE!

Maybe you can help me since BV is staying silent! Where around the DC
Baltimore area is a safe area I can stay at with my family! Somewhere nice
with an old world charm!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:yiWkc.10634$I%1.886733@attbi_s51...
> In Baltimore the Inner Harbor is very nice, with shopping and aquarium.
> They also have a wonderful railway museum. Annapolis, for the naval
> academy. DC, too many things to mention. National Zoo, Smithsonian,
> Capital, Whitehouse, Washington Monument, Bureau of Printing & Engraving.
> Many have tours, but some do to terrorism, are closed or limited.
Richmond,
> my ponds. Williamsburg, Jamestown, and Yorktown for the history buffs,
> Norfolk for the Navy ships, and Virginia Beach for the beach and fishing.
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> > Vegas, then Baltimore.
> >
> > Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
> will
> > include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> > checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> > recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
and
> 9
> > months?
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________
> > "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> > like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> > The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
> >
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my
> > relationship
> > > > with Guinness?
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the
Baltimore
> > > area. :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > BV.
> > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

RTB,
I went to college out there by Norfolk, Virginia. But thanks for the
reminder of all the beautiful cultural things! Having lived out here in
California for 2 decades now, I have forgotten CULTURE!

Maybe you can help me since BV is staying silent! Where around the DC
Baltimore area is a safe area I can stay at with my family! Somewhere nice
with an old world charm!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:yiWkc.10634$I%1.886733@attbi_s51...
> In Baltimore the Inner Harbor is very nice, with shopping and aquarium.
> They also have a wonderful railway museum. Annapolis, for the naval
> academy. DC, too many things to mention. National Zoo, Smithsonian,
> Capital, Whitehouse, Washington Monument, Bureau of Printing & Engraving.
> Many have tours, but some do to terrorism, are closed or limited.
Richmond,
> my ponds. Williamsburg, Jamestown, and Yorktown for the history buffs,
> Norfolk for the Navy ships, and Virginia Beach for the beach and fishing.
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> > Vegas, then Baltimore.
> >
> > Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
> will
> > include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> > checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> > recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
and
> 9
> > months?
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________
> > "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> > like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> > The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
> >
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my
> > relationship
> > > > with Guinness?
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the
Baltimore
> > > area. :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > BV.
> > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RichToyBox]

I have not had a lot of opportunity to stay in the Baltimore area in several
years. The area down around the inner harbor is mostly convention center
area, and is kept very nice and clean. The scenery is nice and it is close
to Little Italy, and just beyond is the Greek area. Good food. The other
area in Baltimore proximity with a goodly amount of lodging that is
reasonable new and in a reasonable neighborhood is at or near BWI. In the
Washington area, for character, I think Alexandria is hard to beat, but I am
not sure if any of the hotels are in the older part of town or if they are
all down near National Airport, in what is called Crystal City. The other
areas with large numbers of hotels would be Arlington, which is nice, and SW
Washington DC. Personally, I don't like to cross the river, but that part
of town is not too bad.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> RTB,
> I went to college out there by Norfolk, Virginia. But thanks for the
> reminder of all the beautiful cultural things! Having lived out here in
> California for 2 decades now, I have forgotten CULTURE!
>
> Maybe you can help me since BV is staying silent! Where around the DC
> Baltimore area is a safe area I can stay at with my family! Somewhere
nice
> with an old world charm!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> news:yiWkc.10634$I%1.886733@attbi_s51...
> > In Baltimore the Inner Harbor is very nice, with shopping and aquarium.
> > They also have a wonderful railway museum. Annapolis, for the naval
> > academy. DC, too many things to mention. National Zoo, Smithsonian,
> > Capital, Whitehouse, Washington Monument, Bureau of Printing &
Engraving.
> > Many have tours, but some do to terrorism, are closed or limited.
> Richmond,
> > my ponds. Williamsburg, Jamestown, and Yorktown for the history buffs,
> > Norfolk for the Navy ships, and Virginia Beach for the beach and
fishing.
> > "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > > July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> > > Vegas, then Baltimore.
> > >
> > > Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
> > will
> > > include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> > > checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> > > recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
> and
> > 9
> > > months?
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________
> > > "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> > > like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> > > The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
> > >
> > > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my
> > > relationship
> > > > > with Guinness?
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the
> Baltimore
> > > > area. :)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > BV.
> > > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RichToyBox]

I have not had a lot of opportunity to stay in the Baltimore area in several
years. The area down around the inner harbor is mostly convention center
area, and is kept very nice and clean. The scenery is nice and it is close
to Little Italy, and just beyond is the Greek area. Good food. The other
area in Baltimore proximity with a goodly amount of lodging that is
reasonable new and in a reasonable neighborhood is at or near BWI. In the
Washington area, for character, I think Alexandria is hard to beat, but I am
not sure if any of the hotels are in the older part of town or if they are
all down near National Airport, in what is called Crystal City. The other
areas with large numbers of hotels would be Arlington, which is nice, and SW
Washington DC. Personally, I don't like to cross the river, but that part
of town is not too bad.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> RTB,
> I went to college out there by Norfolk, Virginia. But thanks for the
> reminder of all the beautiful cultural things! Having lived out here in
> California for 2 decades now, I have forgotten CULTURE!
>
> Maybe you can help me since BV is staying silent! Where around the DC
> Baltimore area is a safe area I can stay at with my family! Somewhere
nice
> with an old world charm!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> news:yiWkc.10634$I%1.886733@attbi_s51...
> > In Baltimore the Inner Harbor is very nice, with shopping and aquarium.
> > They also have a wonderful railway museum. Annapolis, for the naval
> > academy. DC, too many things to mention. National Zoo, Smithsonian,
> > Capital, Whitehouse, Washington Monument, Bureau of Printing &
Engraving.
> > Many have tours, but some do to terrorism, are closed or limited.
> Richmond,
> > my ponds. Williamsburg, Jamestown, and Yorktown for the history buffs,
> > Norfolk for the Navy ships, and Virginia Beach for the beach and
fishing.
> > "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > > July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> > > Vegas, then Baltimore.
> > >
> > > Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
> > will
> > > include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> > > checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> > > recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
> and
> > 9
> > > months?
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________
> > > "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> > > like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> > > The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino
> > >
> > > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > So since I am a meat eating man where does that live me in my
> > > relationship
> > > > > with Guinness?
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > A perfect basis for us to get together if you are ever in the
> Baltimore
> > > > area. :)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > BV.
> > > > www.iheartmypond.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Happy'Cam'per]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
What do you
> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and
9
> months?

PROZAC......;)
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

[Happy'Cam'per]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
What do you
> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and
9
> months?

PROZAC......;)
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
> July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> Vegas, then Baltimore.
>
> Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
will
> include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and
9
> months?
<snip>

I think if I were traveling to the area, I'd stay in Bal'more before I'd
stay in DC. I think the inner harbor area is a bit more family friendly then
DC at night. There are plenty of shops, restaurants, etc. You can rent
paddle boats or take a tour of the harbor on a larger boat. The Bal'more zoo
is awesome, as is the train museum (although I don't think it has fully
recovered from this past winter's damage), and the aquarium. All worth the
cash.

DC is just a short drive or train ride away so it is very accessible. DC of
course hase a plethora of museums, monuments, etc. The zoo is large and
nice, but I think I like the Bal'more zoo better.

Annapolis is also a great place, but a bit further out. It has a lot of
character, and can be very romatic, but I am not sure how kid friendly/fun
it can be.

There are numerous hotels up and down the roads between the two cities, but
I think a family vacation, you'd prefer being in the city.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
> July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> Vegas, then Baltimore.
>
> Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
will
> include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and
9
> months?
<snip>

I think if I were traveling to the area, I'd stay in Bal'more before I'd
stay in DC. I think the inner harbor area is a bit more family friendly then
DC at night. There are plenty of shops, restaurants, etc. You can rent
paddle boats or take a tour of the harbor on a larger boat. The Bal'more zoo
is awesome, as is the train museum (although I don't think it has fully
recovered from this past winter's damage), and the aquarium. All worth the
cash.

DC is just a short drive or train ride away so it is very accessible. DC of
course hase a plethora of museums, monuments, etc. The zoo is large and
nice, but I think I like the Bal'more zoo better.

Annapolis is also a great place, but a bit further out. It has a lot of
character, and can be very romatic, but I am not sure how kid friendly/fun
it can be.

There are numerous hotels up and down the roads between the two cities, but
I think a family vacation, you'd prefer being in the city.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> RTB,
> I went to college out there by Norfolk, Virginia. But thanks for the
> reminder of all the beautiful cultural things! Having lived out here in
> California for 2 decades now, I have forgotten CULTURE!
>
> Maybe you can help me since BV is staying silent! Where around the DC
> Baltimore area is a safe area I can stay at with my family! Somewhere
nice
> with an old world charm!
<snip>

Well gee whiz...I take a weekend off to work on my planting methods, and I
get slapped upside the head. Really not nice, especially since I have
headache induced by too much pond planting.

--
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www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> RTB,
> I went to college out there by Norfolk, Virginia. But thanks for the
> reminder of all the beautiful cultural things! Having lived out here in
> California for 2 decades now, I have forgotten CULTURE!
>
> Maybe you can help me since BV is staying silent! Where around the DC
> Baltimore area is a safe area I can stay at with my family! Somewhere
nice
> with an old world charm!
<snip>

Well gee whiz...I take a weekend off to work on my planting methods, and I
get slapped upside the head. Really not nice, especially since I have
headache induced by too much pond planting.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[[email protected]]

Wheaton, MD ... it is on the wonderful metro to downtown DC. too bad you wont be
there now with all the azaleas. sure is gorgeous. It is going to be hotter than
blazes in July. be sure to go to the national arboretum and see their koi pond.
Ingrid


>"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
>> July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
>> Vegas, then Baltimore.
>> Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
>will
>> include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
>> checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
>> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and
>9
>> months?


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Wheaton, MD ... it is on the wonderful metro to downtown DC. too bad you wont be
there now with all the azaleas. sure is gorgeous. It is going to be hotter than
blazes in July. be sure to go to the national arboretum and see their koi pond.
Ingrid


>"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
.. .
>> July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
>> Vegas, then Baltimore.
>> Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
>will
>> include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
>> checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
>> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs, and
>9
>> months?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Just Me \Koi\]

Lots of it I think!

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"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> What do you
> > recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
and
> 9
> > months?
>
> PROZAC......;)
> --
> **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

Lots of it I think!

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like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
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"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> What do you
> > recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
and
> 9
> > months?
>
> PROZAC......;)
> --
> **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

Thanks Ingrid! I totally forgot about the brutal humidity of summer on the
east coast!

--
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like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
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> wrote in message
...
> Wheaton, MD ... it is on the wonderful metro to downtown DC. too bad you
wont be
> there now with all the azaleas. sure is gorgeous. It is going to be
hotter than
> blazes in July. be sure to go to the national arboretum and see their koi
pond.
> Ingrid
>
>
> >"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> >> Vegas, then Baltimore.
> >> Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
> >will
> >> include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> >> checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> >> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
and
> >9
> >> months?
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Just Me \Koi\]

Thanks Ingrid! I totally forgot about the brutal humidity of summer on the
east coast!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

> wrote in message
...
> Wheaton, MD ... it is on the wonderful metro to downtown DC. too bad you
wont be
> there now with all the azaleas. sure is gorgeous. It is going to be
hotter than
> blazes in July. be sure to go to the national arboretum and see their koi
pond.
> Ingrid
>
>
> >"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> >> Vegas, then Baltimore.
> >> Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
> >will
> >> include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> >> checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> >> recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
and
> >9
> >> months?
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Just Me \Koi\]

Thanks you pond head! You still haven't answered my question. I am looking
for an answer that will lead me to a page in my trusted AAA book as to which
area to stay! And when you say city, which city did you have in mind,
Baltimore or DC?

Furthermore for all I am paying you to be my travel agent the least you can
do is answer my question promptly and completely!

I want a refund!

Oops I didn't pay you now did I?

Really do you live in Baltimore? If I gave you some hotel names and address
will you be able to tell me if it's an ok area?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> > Vegas, then Baltimore.
> >
> > Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
> will
> > include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> > checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> > recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
and
> 9
> > months?
> <snip>
>
> I think if I were traveling to the area, I'd stay in Bal'more before I'd
> stay in DC. I think the inner harbor area is a bit more family friendly
then
> DC at night. There are plenty of shops, restaurants, etc. You can rent
> paddle boats or take a tour of the harbor on a larger boat. The Bal'more
zoo
> is awesome, as is the train museum (although I don't think it has fully
> recovered from this past winter's damage), and the aquarium. All worth the
> cash.
>
> DC is just a short drive or train ride away so it is very accessible. DC
of
> course hase a plethora of museums, monuments, etc. The zoo is large and
> nice, but I think I like the Bal'more zoo better.
>
> Annapolis is also a great place, but a bit further out. It has a lot of
> character, and can be very romatic, but I am not sure how kid friendly/fun
> it can be.
>
> There are numerous hotels up and down the roads between the two cities,
but
> I think a family vacation, you'd prefer being in the city.
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

Thanks you pond head! You still haven't answered my question. I am looking
for an answer that will lead me to a page in my trusted AAA book as to which
area to stay! And when you say city, which city did you have in mind,
Baltimore or DC?

Furthermore for all I am paying you to be my travel agent the least you can
do is answer my question promptly and completely!

I want a refund!

Oops I didn't pay you now did I?

Really do you live in Baltimore? If I gave you some hotel names and address
will you be able to tell me if it's an ok area?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > July 19 till 2 8. Southwest airline. Ontario California, one stop in
> > Vegas, then Baltimore.
> >
> > Can you recommend an area to stay at near Baltimore and DC if my visit
> will
> > include touring DC, Baltimore waterfront, Southeast Virginia, etc? I
> > checked on line, but I've forgotten the different areas! What do you
> > recommend if I'm coming with my wifey, 3 daughters ages 10 yrs, 8 yrs,
and
> 9
> > months?
> <snip>
>
> I think if I were traveling to the area, I'd stay in Bal'more before I'd
> stay in DC. I think the inner harbor area is a bit more family friendly
then
> DC at night. There are plenty of shops, restaurants, etc. You can rent
> paddle boats or take a tour of the harbor on a larger boat. The Bal'more
zoo
> is awesome, as is the train museum (although I don't think it has fully
> recovered from this past winter's damage), and the aquarium. All worth the
> cash.
>
> DC is just a short drive or train ride away so it is very accessible. DC
of
> course hase a plethora of museums, monuments, etc. The zoo is large and
> nice, but I think I like the Bal'more zoo better.
>
> Annapolis is also a great place, but a bit further out. It has a lot of
> character, and can be very romatic, but I am not sure how kid friendly/fun
> it can be.
>
> There are numerous hotels up and down the roads between the two cities,
but
> I think a family vacation, you'd prefer being in the city.
>
> --
> BV.
> www.iheartmypond.com
>
>
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks you pond head! You still haven't answered my question. I am
looking
> for an answer that will lead me to a page in my trusted AAA book as to
which
> area to stay! And when you say city, which city did you have in mind,
> Baltimore or DC?
>
> Furthermore for all I am paying you to be my travel agent the least you
can
> do is answer my question promptly and completely!
>
> I want a refund!
>
> Oops I didn't pay you now did I?
>
> Really do you live in Baltimore? If I gave you some hotel names and
address
> will you be able to tell me if it's an ok area?
<snip>

JMK,

I'd feel comfortable in any of the hotels that say they are in/on the
Balitmore inner harbor. You'll be close to food and fun. In the DC hotels,
you'll be instantly close to the museums and other family fun. I'd feel fine
in Columbia or Ellicott City (my hood), but that is a bit outside the city,
the burbs. Not a problem really, I am just thinking if I were on vacation in
this area, I'd want to be in the city (either one, smartass) not in the
burbs. The columbia area hotels, are within a short drive to Bal'more and a
slightly longer drive to DC or the DC Metro. As are the Ellicott City
hotels. Most of the "airport" hotels are fine. I wouldn't say great areas,
but airport areas like any other. The DC hotels that I'd consider will be
marked as downtown, arlington, and capital hill.

Baltimore area hotels:
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?itty=&itid=&itdx=&part=1
Columbia area hotels:
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=htfv&itid=&itdx=&itty=&from=f
DC area hotels:
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?itty=&itid=&itdx=&part=1

Now, where do I send my bill?

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks you pond head! You still haven't answered my question. I am
looking
> for an answer that will lead me to a page in my trusted AAA book as to
which
> area to stay! And when you say city, which city did you have in mind,
> Baltimore or DC?
>
> Furthermore for all I am paying you to be my travel agent the least you
can
> do is answer my question promptly and completely!
>
> I want a refund!
>
> Oops I didn't pay you now did I?
>
> Really do you live in Baltimore? If I gave you some hotel names and
address
> will you be able to tell me if it's an ok area?
<snip>

JMK,

I'd feel comfortable in any of the hotels that say they are in/on the
Balitmore inner harbor. You'll be close to food and fun. In the DC hotels,
you'll be instantly close to the museums and other family fun. I'd feel fine
in Columbia or Ellicott City (my hood), but that is a bit outside the city,
the burbs. Not a problem really, I am just thinking if I were on vacation in
this area, I'd want to be in the city (either one, smartass) not in the
burbs. The columbia area hotels, are within a short drive to Bal'more and a
slightly longer drive to DC or the DC Metro. As are the Ellicott City
hotels. Most of the "airport" hotels are fine. I wouldn't say great areas,
but airport areas like any other. The DC hotels that I'd consider will be
marked as downtown, arlington, and capital hill.

Baltimore area hotels:
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?itty=&itid=&itdx=&part=1
Columbia area hotels:
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=htfv&itid=&itdx=&itty=&from=f
DC area hotels:
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?itty=&itid=&itdx=&part=1

Now, where do I send my bill?

BV.

[Just Me \Koi\]

Don't you feel so much better helping out a fellow ponder!

On the serious side, thanks for your excellent response! I truly appreciate
it.

As to the bill, just take some out of the shareholders pond fund! Doesn't
sound like you have been spending time on our pond anyway!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks you pond head! You still haven't answered my question. I am
> looking
> > for an answer that will lead me to a page in my trusted AAA book as to
> which
> > area to stay! And when you say city, which city did you have in mind,
> > Baltimore or DC?
> >
> > Furthermore for all I am paying you to be my travel agent the least you
> can
> > do is answer my question promptly and completely!
> >
> > I want a refund!
> >
> > Oops I didn't pay you now did I?
> >
> > Really do you live in Baltimore? If I gave you some hotel names and
> address
> > will you be able to tell me if it's an ok area?
> <snip>
>
> JMK,
>
> I'd feel comfortable in any of the hotels that say they are in/on the
> Balitmore inner harbor. You'll be close to food and fun. In the DC hotels,
> you'll be instantly close to the museums and other family fun. I'd feel
fine
> in Columbia or Ellicott City (my hood), but that is a bit outside the
city,
> the burbs. Not a problem really, I am just thinking if I were on vacation
in
> this area, I'd want to be in the city (either one, smartass) not in the
> burbs. The columbia area hotels, are within a short drive to Bal'more and
a
> slightly longer drive to DC or the DC Metro. As are the Ellicott City
> hotels. Most of the "airport" hotels are fine. I wouldn't say great areas,
> but airport areas like any other. The DC hotels that I'd consider will be
> marked as downtown, arlington, and capital hill.
>
> Baltimore area hotels:
> http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?itty=&itid=&itdx=&part=1
> Columbia area hotels:
> http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=htfv&itid=&itdx=&itty=&from=f
> DC area hotels:
> http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?itty=&itid=&itdx=&part=1
>
> Now, where do I send my bill?
>
> BV.
>
>
>
>

[Just Me \Koi\]

Don't you feel so much better helping out a fellow ponder!

On the serious side, thanks for your excellent response! I truly appreciate
it.

As to the bill, just take some out of the shareholders pond fund! Doesn't
sound like you have been spending time on our pond anyway!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks you pond head! You still haven't answered my question. I am
> looking
> > for an answer that will lead me to a page in my trusted AAA book as to
> which
> > area to stay! And when you say city, which city did you have in mind,
> > Baltimore or DC?
> >
> > Furthermore for all I am paying you to be my travel agent the least you
> can
> > do is answer my question promptly and completely!
> >
> > I want a refund!
> >
> > Oops I didn't pay you now did I?
> >
> > Really do you live in Baltimore? If I gave you some hotel names and
> address
> > will you be able to tell me if it's an ok area?
> <snip>
>
> JMK,
>
> I'd feel comfortable in any of the hotels that say they are in/on the
> Balitmore inner harbor. You'll be close to food and fun. In the DC hotels,
> you'll be instantly close to the museums and other family fun. I'd feel
fine
> in Columbia or Ellicott City (my hood), but that is a bit outside the
city,
> the burbs. Not a problem really, I am just thinking if I were on vacation
in
> this area, I'd want to be in the city (either one, smartass) not in the
> burbs. The columbia area hotels, are within a short drive to Bal'more and
a
> slightly longer drive to DC or the DC Metro. As are the Ellicott City
> hotels. Most of the "airport" hotels are fine. I wouldn't say great areas,
> but airport areas like any other. The DC hotels that I'd consider will be
> marked as downtown, arlington, and capital hill.
>
> Baltimore area hotels:
> http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?itty=&itid=&itdx=&part=1
> Columbia area hotels:
> http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=htfv&itid=&itdx=&itty=&from=f
> DC area hotels:
> http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?itty=&itid=&itdx=&part=1
>
> Now, where do I send my bill?
>
> BV.
>
>
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Don't you feel so much better helping out a fellow ponder!
>
> On the serious side, thanks for your excellent response! I truly
appreciate
> it.
>
> As to the bill, just take some out of the shareholders pond fund! Doesn't
> sound like you have been spending time on our pond anyway!
<snip>

Glad I could help.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Don't you feel so much better helping out a fellow ponder!
>
> On the serious side, thanks for your excellent response! I truly
appreciate
> it.
>
> As to the bill, just take some out of the shareholders pond fund! Doesn't
> sound like you have been spending time on our pond anyway!
<snip>

Glad I could help.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com