drats - fish problem

[Bill]

About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I did
not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had
stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in it.
I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the pond
with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I
rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I
have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I cant
see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little
redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and ringed
in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not
some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water is
good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie pool,
possibly not effectively disinfected.
1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add
during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt. 4)Does
any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms
scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely.

Thanxx
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

[[email protected]]

all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond and feed
antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid

"Bill" > wrote:

>About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I did
>not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had
>stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in it.
>I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the pond
>with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I
>rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I
>have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I cant
>see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little
>redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and ringed
>in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not
>some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water is
>good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie pool,
>possibly not effectively disinfected.
>1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add
>during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt. 4)Does
>any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms
>scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely.
>
>Thanxx
>Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
>



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[Newbie Bill]

Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin. I
still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete
round of treatments for about $9.
Bill


> wrote in message
...
> all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond and
feed
> antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid
>
> "Bill" > wrote:
>
> >About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I
did
> >not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms had
> >stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in
it.
> >I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the
pond
> >with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well. I
> >rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently I
> >have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I
cant
> >see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a little
> >redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and
ringed
> >in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its not
> >some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers. Water
is
> >good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie
pool,
> >possibly not effectively disinfected.
> >1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should add
> >during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt.
4)Does
> >any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms
> >scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely.
> >
> >Thanxx
> >Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[RichToyBox]

I prefer PP to formalin because I can see what is going on, and if I
overdose, a little peroxide or dechlor will render it harmless. PP will
turn brown when it is spent, and you need it to stay pink or purple for
about 8 hours, which will probably take 3 or 4 treatments. Formalin is an
oxidizer also, and as such is consumed by the organics in the pond, but it
doesn't have a color to know how well or how long the treatment was.
Formalin is very dose sensitive and if the fish are showing signs of
overdose, then the only thing you can do is dilute by water change or
addition, and this can take too long.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Newbie Bill" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin.
I
> still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete
> round of treatments for about $9.
> Bill
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond
and
> feed
> > antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid
> >
> > "Bill" > wrote:
> >
> > >About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so I
> did
> > >not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms
had
> > >stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back in
> it.
> > >I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in the
> pond
> > >with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as well.
I
> > >rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very recently
I
> > >have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip. I
> cant
> > >see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a
little
> > >redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and
> ringed
> > >in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its
not
> > >some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers.
Water
> is
> > >good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie
> pool,
> > >possibly not effectively disinfected.
> > >1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should
add
> > >during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt.
> 4)Does
> > >any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new symptoms
> > >scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely.
> > >
> > >Thanxx
> > >Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
>

[Newbie Bill]

Rich - Thanks once again for your informed, clear and concise answer. I
have read that formalin will most likely knock out my biofilter. Is this
also the case with PP. If so what do you do about ammonia levels untill the
biofilter is restarted, other than I presume feed the fish little or
nothing.
Bill

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:Mjepc.3857$qA.419726@attbi_s51...
> I prefer PP to formalin because I can see what is going on, and if I
> overdose, a little peroxide or dechlor will render it harmless. PP will
> turn brown when it is spent, and you need it to stay pink or purple for
> about 8 hours, which will probably take 3 or 4 treatments. Formalin is an
> oxidizer also, and as such is consumed by the organics in the pond, but it
> doesn't have a color to know how well or how long the treatment was.
> Formalin is very dose sensitive and if the fish are showing signs of
> overdose, then the only thing you can do is dilute by water change or
> addition, and this can take too long.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> "Newbie Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin.
> I
> > still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete
> > round of treatments for about $9.
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the pond
> and
> > feed
> > > antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid
> > >
> > > "Bill" > wrote:
> > >
> > > >About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming so
I
> > did
> > > >not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing symptoms
> had
> > > >stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants back
in
> > it.
> > > >I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in
the
> > pond
> > > >with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as
well.
> I
> > > >rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very
recently
> I
> > > >have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your fingertip.
I
> > cant
> > > >see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a
> little
> > > >redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone, and
> > ringed
> > > >in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure its
> not
> > > >some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers.
> Water
> > is
> > > >good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the kiddie
> > pool,
> > > >possibly not effectively disinfected.
> > > >1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I should
> add
> > > >during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of salt.
> > 4)Does
> > > >any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new
symptoms
> > > >scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely.
> > > >
> > > >Thanxx
> > > >Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > > www.drsolo.com
> > > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > > endorsements or recommendations I make.
> >
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

PP treats columnaris and most parasites. formalin doesnt treat columnaris. Ingrid

"Newbie Bill" > wrote:

>Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over Formalin. I
>still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one complete
>round of treatments for about $9.
>Bill


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[RichToyBox]

If you can, bypass the filter during treatment. Add additional aeration. I
take the piping loose from the one of my upflow gravel filters and turn it
into a high spitting fountain. As soon as the color has changed to brown,
it has been neutralized, and the filter can be put back on line. It will
not have been off long enough for the filter to die.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Newbie Bill" > wrote in message
om...
> Rich - Thanks once again for your informed, clear and concise answer. I
> have read that formalin will most likely knock out my biofilter. Is this
> also the case with PP. If so what do you do about ammonia levels untill
the
> biofilter is restarted, other than I presume feed the fish little or
> nothing.
> Bill
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> news:Mjepc.3857$qA.419726@attbi_s51...
> > I prefer PP to formalin because I can see what is going on, and if I
> > overdose, a little peroxide or dechlor will render it harmless. PP will
> > turn brown when it is spent, and you need it to stay pink or purple for
> > about 8 hours, which will probably take 3 or 4 treatments. Formalin is
an
> > oxidizer also, and as such is consumed by the organics in the pond, but
it
> > doesn't have a color to know how well or how long the treatment was.
> > Formalin is very dose sensitive and if the fish are showing signs of
> > overdose, then the only thing you can do is dilute by water change or
> > addition, and this can take too long.
> > --
> > RichToyBox
> > http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> > "Newbie Bill" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks for your advice. What are the pros and cons of PP over
Formalin.
> > I
> > > still have not located PP and I can buy enough Formalin for one
complete
> > > round of treatments for about $9.
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > all sores are bacterial probably aeromonas or columnaris. PP the
pond
> > and
> > > feed
> > > > antibiotic food. get the salt up to 0.1% . Ingrid
> > > >
> > > > "Bill" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >About a month ago I salted my pond to .3%. My in laws were coming
so
> I
> > > did
> > > > >not let the 'treatment' stay a full 2 weeks, as the flashing
symptoms
> > had
> > > > >stopped at .1% and I wanted to show off my pond with all plants
back
> in
> > > it.
> > > > >I treated the kiddie pool plants the day before I put them back in
> the
> > > pond
> > > > >with formalin (Pond Care) which may not have been long enough as
> well.
> > I
> > > > >rushed the whole thing. Now my fish are not flashing but very
> recently
> > I
> > > > >have noticed several have a 'sore' about the size of your
fingertip.
> I
> > > cant
> > > > >see either clearly but it appears the affected area is possibly a
> > little
> > > > >redder hue than the unaffected areas, as if the scales are gone,
and
> > > ringed
> > > > >in white. I think the white is edges ofscales, but cant be sure
its
> > not
> > > > >some sort of growth. I am afraid this is the beginning of ulcers.
> > Water
> > > is
> > > > >good, no new fish, only new plant are those returned from the
kiddie
> > > pool,
> > > > >possibly not effectively disinfected.
> > > > >1) Should I re salt (properly) and 2)is there something else I
should
> > add
> > > > >during or after for the 'sores', like Melafix. or 3)instead of
salt.
> > > 4)Does
> > > > >any of this sound consistent that I have what seems to be new
> symptoms
> > > > >scarcely 3 weeks after my previous treatment, albeit incompletely.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanxx
> > > > >Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > > > www.drsolo.com
> > > > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > > > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > > > endorsements or recommendations I make.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>