What Protein Skimmer would you recomend?

[Rick]

Looking for a protein skimmer for a 55 gal hexagon, prefer the type I
can hang on the tank but may concider others as I will most likley
move to a larger tank (100-150gal) next year or two.

Any e-tailers you would recomend?

[BiG_Orange]

Get a seaclone. It does the job http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ebaeseller/
People badmouth them, but that do what they are made to do, skim!

People are pushing those 200+ EuroReef ones, but they all are skimmers. Even
the books say any protein skimmer will do fine.

[Matt S]

I really would stay away from a sea clown....spend a little more....believe
me you will be glad you did !!


"Rick" > wrote in message
om...
> Looking for a protein skimmer for a 55 gal hexagon, prefer the type I
> can hang on the tank but may concider others as I will most likley
> move to a larger tank (100-150gal) next year or two.
>
> Any e-tailers you would recomend?

[BiG_Orange]

> I really would stay away from a sea clown....spend a little
more....believe
> me you will be glad you did !!
>

This country is full of bandwagoner's. I supposed you are against generic
drugs too? The thing skims protein. It works, and without adjustments. The
basic principal behind skimming is the same. TFH books says a basic skimmer
will do, that buying a bandwagoner skimmer is not necessary.

BO

[Justin Boucher]

The concept of protein skimming is all the same, yes, but not all skimmers
work the same. Simply put, the better you mix the smallest air bubbles with
sea water and the longer you can maintain that contact, the better your
skimming. And with that, some skimmers will have a better mix of air and
water with smaller air bubbles than others. When you consider that, not all
skimmers are made the same. If your system is heavy on the bioload (as most
aquariums are) or your requirements are more extreme than others
(experienced reef organisims or heavy polluters) you would do best to
perhaps spend a little more to get that better skimmer. Keep in mind
however that not all expensive skimmers are better.

Justin

"BiG_Orange" <@> wrote in message ...
> > I really would stay away from a sea clown....spend a little
> more....believe
> > me you will be glad you did !!
> >
>
> This country is full of bandwagoner's. I supposed you are against generic
> drugs too? The thing skims protein. It works, and without adjustments. The
> basic principal behind skimming is the same. TFH books says a basic
skimmer
> will do, that buying a bandwagoner skimmer is not necessary.
>
> BO
>
>

[Matt S]

I'm hardly a "bandwagoner" I'm strickly speaking from experiance...I've been
into Marine Aquariums for over 20 years and have tried many skimmers!! My
best is homemade, its 6 ft tall and runs 2 venturie powerheads and an air
pump at 1400 gph. It works very well on my 125. I was simply offering an
opinion that I believe is valid, as the best use that I've found for MY
seaclone is as a gravel ceaner!....
"BiG_Orange" <@> wrote in message ...
> > I really would stay away from a sea clown....spend a little
> more....believe
> > me you will be glad you did !!
> >
>
> This country is full of bandwagoner's. I supposed you are against generic
> drugs too? The thing skims protein. It works, and without adjustments. The
> basic principal behind skimming is the same. TFH books says a basic
skimmer
> will do, that buying a bandwagoner skimmer is not necessary.
>
> BO
>
>

[BiG_Orange]

> opinion that I believe is valid, as the best use that I've found for MY
> seaclone is as a gravel ceaner!....

All you are doing is proving you are another idiot. The product skims, it's
made by a multi million dollar corporation. There are photos of people with
full cups of crap. It's a skimmer not a gravel "ceaner".

You can buy three Seaclones for the price of one of those other ones that
are probably made in someone's garage.

[Dragon Slayer]

let me jump on the bandwagon and give my input on this.

I have a seaclone that was highly modded to make it a very good skimmer.
its size limits it to a tank of 55g or less total system volume.

I have a "BandWagon" Euro-Reef CS12-2 and the amount of skimmet that it
pulls out of a tank it would take 200 seaclones to match it. I don't think
you could get 200 of them for the price I paid for the ER nor would it fit
in the same space.

kc

"BiG_Orange" <@> wrote in message ...
> > opinion that I believe is valid, as the best use that I've found for MY
> > seaclone is as a gravel ceaner!....
>
> All you are doing is proving you are another idiot. The product skims,
it's
> made by a multi million dollar corporation. There are photos of people
with
> full cups of crap. It's a skimmer not a gravel "ceaner".
>
> You can buy three Seaclones for the price of one of those other ones that
> are probably made in someone's garage.
>
>

[Rick]

Wow, what interesting coments on this post, I looked at the Euro and
got shocked by the price. maybe I should look for a skimmer that will
be good for the tank I have now and I did fail to mention that I have
a Buget. What would be a good skimmer unber the $250 range. I hope
that you aquarist dont get into such arguements over this

[Fishnut]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:48:33 -0500, "BiG_Orange" <@> wrote:

>Get a seaclone. It does the job http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ebaeseller/
>People badmouth them, but that do what they are made to do, skim!
>
>People are pushing those 200+ EuroReef ones, but they all are skimmers. Even
>the books say any protein skimmer will do fine.
>
>
Apart from the minute amount of skimate a seaclone produces, nobody
has mentioned the deafening noise it makes. Irrespective of the price,
it will not do the job required. A different make will only be
consuming a similar amount of electricity, depending on the pump
wattage, but give a far better result.

Regards, Fishnut.

[Rick]

Thanks for all the info everyone has posted, I think I'm going to
purchase the berlin Turbo. This one will just have to do untill I can
get my wife into the hobby more then she will want me to move up to a
bigget tank? I hope

[BiG_Orange]

Rick,
Don't listen to these morons, I just bought a seaclone 150 on eBAY for 78.00
plus shipping. I put it together in about 5 minutes by looking at the
picture on the box. I stuck it on the tank, turned it on and it worked fine.
Woke up this morning and guess what's un the cup? FOAM!

People are disgusting. My parents were in the pet business for 25 years, and
the same type of retarded mis-information was going on then. The fact that
anyone believes that MarineLand, a multi million dollar corporation produces
a protein skimmer that does not work is assanign.

I almost jumped on the bandwagon too until I read "Starting Your Marine
Aquarium" by David E. Boruchowitz and it said you don't have to spend big
bucks on a skimmer, just buy anything.

I'd like to also point out that the fish store that John Tullock previously
owned had Sea Clone skimmers in it.

Bottom line, while protein skimming is a great concept, it's not rocket
science. You need bubbles which the matter attaches to, and a cup for it to
settle in. You can use a freakin Lee's Protein skimmer with an airstone if
you want.

Some people could argue that in a reef tank you can overskim and pull out
too many nutrients as well, keep that in mind.

[BiG_Orange]

>
> Apart from the minute amount of skimate a seaclone produces, nobody
> has mentioned the deafening noise it makes.
>
> Regards, Fishnut.

More bad information from another fish lune. The seaclone 150 I have makes
NO NOISE at all.

Buy one one eBAY Rick, if you don't like it, you can sell it used in some
cases for what you paid for it.

[Fishnut]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:45:06 -0500, "BiG_Orange" <@> wrote:

>>
>> Apart from the minute amount of skimate a seaclone produces, nobody
>> has mentioned the deafening noise it makes.
>>
>> Regards, Fishnut.
>
>More bad information from another fish lune. The seaclone 150 I have makes
>NO NOISE at all.
>
>Buy one one eBAY Rick, if you don't like it, you can sell it used in some
>cases for what you paid for it.
>
>
Coming from a big-mouth, swimming against the overwhelming tide of
opinion (except your own), is laughable.

Regards, Fishnut.

[BiG_Orange]

"Fishnut" > wrote in message
...
> Coming from a big-mouth, swimming against the overwhelming tide of
> opinion (except your own), is laughable.
>

There are millions of Seaclones, there are thousands of Reeffreaker ones.
Usenet seems to attract over zealous enthusiasts, the rest of the world is
not represented here.

BO

[BSackamano]

buy used. i got a remora pro with mag3 for $75 shipped from this group.
also see ebay, aquabid, and other online auctions.

"Rick" > wrote in message
om...
> Wow, what interesting coments on this post, I looked at the Euro and
> got shocked by the price. maybe I should look for a skimmer that will
> be good for the tank I have now and I did fail to mention that I have
> a Buget. What would be a good skimmer unber the $250 range. I hope
> that you aquarist dont get into such arguements over this

[Fishnut]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:59:01 -0500, "BiG_Orange" <@> wrote:

>"Fishnut" > wrote in message
...
>> Coming from a big-mouth, swimming against the overwhelming tide of
>> opinion (except your own), is laughable.
>>
>
>There are millions of Seaclones, there are thousands of Reeffreaker ones.
>Usenet seems to attract over zealous enthusiasts, the rest of the world is
>not represented here.
>
>BO
>
Yes, I agree there are millions of seaclones. They are no longer used,
bought by newbies taking advice from LFS's and mail-order companies
quick to recommend and sell the inferior products that they have in
stock.

Fishnut.

[Rick]

THKS-BO, Based on your coments, I belive you are true at heart with
an unbias opion.

Also, from your arguements- You would make a good Attorney. LOL

Thanks/Rick

[Rick]

"BSackamano

Also Thanks to BSackamano, I will check out the sites you reered me to.

Rick

[CapFusion]

Rick,

Both side is correct respectly. SeaClone PS can skim as it design for. So as
Lee PS. Other comment people comment is valid too. One main argument is how
efficient each PS can do the job. Since you have a budget as you stated, go
with SeaClone or any other brand that you think that may work for you. Just
make sure you can return to your LFS if it does not. No one say the SeaClone
did not do the job it design to but how good it does it when compare to
other PS. And yes, the PS like EuroReef or other like Precision Marine will
cost more when compare to Marineland [SeaClone].

At the end, your pocket book will determine your decision.

CapFusion,...




"Rick" > wrote in message
m...
> THKS-BO, Based on your coments, I belive you are true at heart with
> an unbias opion.
>
> Also, from your arguements- You would make a good Attorney. LOL
>
> Thanks/Rick

[Richard Reynolds]

>Marineland [SeaClone].

wow never caught that marineland makes the seaclone ????

dont they make a real skimmer also ???

> At the end, your pocket book will determine your decision.

there is a euro-reef that will do fine on a 44 hex, thats under $200



--
Richard Reynolds