The Great Dye Experiment

[Benign Vanilla]

So I was at Big Orange this weekend, and wandered down the pond aisle. They
had these blue dye tablets that contain "enzymes" to eat the muck at the
bottom of the pond. The idea here being, tint the water and your algae will
die. I have about 3000 gallons, so I bought enough for about 1200 gallons.

Results...

....either I have less water or these things really work...my water is very
disturbingly blue.
....the algae seem to be affected as just after a day and the water is tinted
but clearer
....the tables stain your skin
....the fish, frogs, etc do not seem bothered by the dye at all
....not sure I would ever do this again.

BV.

[Gale Pearce]

Just what this group needs - a sacrificial guinea pig :~>>>>>>>> Seriously,
these tablets sound intriguing - are they supposed to be a one time
treatment, as needed, or how often? Does the water clear of it's own accord
or are water changes needed to remove the tint. Was there a brand name for
them?
Gale :~)
"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
> So I was at Big Orange this weekend, and wandered down the pond aisle.
They
> had these blue dye tablets that contain "enzymes" to eat the muck at the
> bottom of the pond. The idea here being, tint the water and your algae
will
> die. I have about 3000 gallons, so I bought enough for about 1200 gallons.
>
> Results...
>
> ...either I have less water or these things really work...my water is very
> disturbingly blue.
> ...the algae seem to be affected as just after a day and the water is
tinted
> but clearer
> ...the tables stain your skin
> ...the fish, frogs, etc do not seem bothered by the dye at all
> ...not sure I would ever do this again.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> Just what this group needs - a sacrificial guinea pig :~>>>>>>>>
Seriously,
> these tablets sound intriguing - are they supposed to be a one time
> treatment, as needed, or how often? Does the water clear of it's own
accord
> or are water changes needed to remove the tint. Was there a brand name for
> them?
<snip>

As I understand it. They are a use as needed treatment. Turn the water
blueish, kill the algea by starving the sunlight. Meanhwhile the enzymes
east the sludge at the bottom of the pond. I cannot attest to any of these
claims, except the algae clearing. After the first day, my water was
noticeable clearer.

You can read the details from the manufacturer, here.
http://tinyurl.com/yrqpk.

BV.

[Snooze]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> As I understand it. They are a use as needed treatment. Turn the water
> blueish, kill the algea by starving the sunlight. Meanhwhile the enzymes
> east the sludge at the bottom of the pond. I cannot attest to any of these
> claims, except the algae clearing. After the first day, my water was
> noticeable clearer.
>
> You can read the details from the manufacturer, here.
> http://tinyurl.com/yrqpk.
>

One of my buddies lives in an apartment complex that has this "river"
flowing between the buildings. To keep the kids from treating it as a pool,
they dye it green. It's not even pea-soup green, it's bright lime green.

As for using the dye in the pond, maybe as a one time deal for when you're
having a party and want to show off your clear blue water..otherwise a
little bit silly.

Snooze

[joy2wrld]

Just saw this post regarding the dye experiment. I've used Mrs. Smith's
blueing (found in the laundry section of larger grocery stores or
hardware's). Your grandmother used it to brighten white closes and people
today even put in their birdbaths.

Mrs. Smith's blueing (I use the whole bottle for my 1300+ pond) does turn
the pond blue and starves the algae. The great thing about Mrs. Smith's
blueing is it disappears within 2-3 weeks. Then your plants are blooming
and you have enough shade that you don't need it any more. I find two
bottles of this stuff takes care of the problem. Try it -- it does work. I
sort of like the color -- it darkens pond and shows off the plants.

Joy
"Snooze" > wrote in message
om...
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > As I understand it. They are a use as needed treatment. Turn the water
> > blueish, kill the algea by starving the sunlight. Meanhwhile the enzymes
> > east the sludge at the bottom of the pond. I cannot attest to any of
these
> > claims, except the algae clearing. After the first day, my water was
> > noticeable clearer.
> >
> > You can read the details from the manufacturer, here.
> > http://tinyurl.com/yrqpk.
> >
>
> One of my buddies lives in an apartment complex that has this "river"
> flowing between the buildings. To keep the kids from treating it as a
pool,
> they dye it green. It's not even pea-soup green, it's bright lime green.
>
> As for using the dye in the pond, maybe as a one time deal for when you're
> having a party and want to show off your clear blue water..otherwise a
> little bit silly.
>
> Snooze
>
>

[Ka30P]

Joy wrote << I've used Mrs. Smith's
blueing >>

Many years ago I used it to brighten my palomino's tail for horse shows. Only a
teenage
horse crazy girl would stand around holding a heavy water and blueing filled
bucket with her horse's tail in it for 20 minutes. I don't even waste that much
time on my own hair nowadays!



kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Snooze" > wrote in message
om...
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > As I understand it. They are a use as needed treatment. Turn the water
> > blueish, kill the algea by starving the sunlight. Meanhwhile the enzymes
> > east the sludge at the bottom of the pond. I cannot attest to any of
these
> > claims, except the algae clearing. After the first day, my water was
> > noticeable clearer.
> >
> > You can read the details from the manufacturer, here.
> > http://tinyurl.com/yrqpk.
> >
>
> One of my buddies lives in an apartment complex that has this "river"
> flowing between the buildings. To keep the kids from treating it as a
pool,
> they dye it green. It's not even pea-soup green, it's bright lime green.
>
> As for using the dye in the pond, maybe as a one time deal for when you're
> having a party and want to show off your clear blue water..otherwise a
> little bit silly.

I was hoping it would do the job of helping my plants beat out the algae, by
tinting the water so the algae is starved. We'll see how silly in a few
days. LOL.

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Joy wrote << I've used Mrs. Smith's
> blueing >>
>
> Many years ago I used it to brighten my palomino's tail for horse shows.
Only a
> teenage
> horse crazy girl would stand around holding a heavy water and blueing
filled
> bucket with her horse's tail in it for 20 minutes. I don't even waste that
much
> time on my own hair nowadays!

I am so overloaded with silly comments about this, that I don't even know
where to begin...

BV.

[Ka30P]

BV wrote << I am so overloaded with silly comments about this, that I don't
even know
where to begin... >>

Well, then wait until I tell you about vacuuming his coat, boot blacking his
hooves and using vaseline on his.... ahem.... under tail parts - luckily he was
a gelding ;-)




kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> BV wrote << I am so overloaded with silly comments about this, that I
don't
> even know
> where to begin... >>
>
> Well, then wait until I tell you about vacuuming his coat, boot blacking
his
> hooves and using vaseline on his.... ahem.... under tail parts - luckily
he was
> a gelding ;-)

STOP!!! STOP!!!

I am frothing like Beavis and Butthead in a proctologist office...you must
STOP!!! STOP NOW!!!!

BV.

[Ka30P]

BV wrote << .you must
STOP!!! STOP NOW!!!! >>

Hey, you started it, what with dying your
pond and all! Note that this method was
never included in the all encompassing algae
primer. This should have told you something,
but no.... you had to go dye your hands blue.
And just for that.... let me threaten to tell
you how to keep a horse from pooping in the
show ring...




kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> BV wrote << .you must
> STOP!!! STOP NOW!!!! >>
>
> Hey, you started it, what with dying your
> pond and all! Note that this method was
> never included in the all encompassing algae
> primer. This should have told you something,
> but no.... you had to go dye your hands blue.
> And just for that.... let me threaten to tell
> you how to keep a horse from pooping in the
> show ring...

AGGAHAHAAHHHHH!!?!??!?!?!?!

HOW? HOW? HOW?
And what's the vaseline for?
What do you wear when you do this?
Do you have to buy the horse a drink first?
What no foreplay?
What position do you use?


AHHAHAH...I can't stop...JMK HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!!

BV.

[Mike Patterson]

On 25 May 2004 16:22:14 GMT, (Ka30P) wrote:

>BV wrote << .you must
>STOP!!! STOP NOW!!!! >>
>
>Hey, you started it, what with dying your
>pond and all! Note that this method was
>never included in the all encompassing algae
>primer. This should have told you something,
>but no.... you had to go dye your hands blue.
>And just for that.... let me threaten to tell
>you how to keep a horse from pooping in the
>show ring...
>
>
>
>
>kathy :-)
><A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

That'd be a way to keep from getting plonk^H^Hpped.

:-)

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

[Ka30P]

BV wrote

>>AGGAHAHAAHHHHH!!?!??!?!?!?!

HOW? HOW? HOW?
And what's the vaseline for?
What do you wear when you do this?
Do you have to buy the horse a drink first?
What no foreplay?
What position do you use?<<

Hmmmm.
Okay. I'll be strong. I need to keep my future
employment as an educator firmly in mind (as this is a public forum) and let
others take on the majority of those questions...
(how did we get so far astray? - going up to add OT to the subject line)
But I will explain the vaseline. My dear old horse was half Arab half Tennessee
Walker, a beautiful palomino and a sweetheart. He was shown in Park Class, the
fancy english saddles, long linen coats and derby hats. The horses were
supposed to be very showy, lots of high action and fancy stepping. That
included holding his tail high and letting it flow behind him as he went around
the ring. Now underneath that tail we would we want to see a dusty neather
region if you are a judge? (The answer is no ;-) Grooming is part of the
overall effort.
So vaseline was used as part of the grooming for show. Those horses were
treated better than rock stars ;-) - and I don't want to hear any stories about
rock stars and vaseline!
Now you know more than you ever wanted to know about blueing, vaseline and I'll
leave out ginger for today.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Bonnie]

My sister shows Hunter/Jumper. No flowing tail or mane
there, but she sure has fun with all that braiding. I
know nothing about the dying.

--
Bonnie
NJ

[Janet]

We used to show Limousin cattle and I agree, the show animals are treated
better than rock stars! (Behave better most times too! LOL!) The stuff we
did to get cattle ready to show still amazes me. We even had a bull that was
"collected" to be used for artificial insemination. ;o) Our show girls were
generally too good to rish a breeding accident so they never got "the real
deal" when it came time to breed. Good bulls also meant that a breeding
accident couldn't be risked, hence the "collection". Quickest way to end a
bull's prospects is a broken penis! :oO
Janet in Niagara Falls

--

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> BV wrote
>
> >>AGGAHAHAAHHHHH!!?!??!?!?!?!
>
> HOW? HOW? HOW?
> And what's the vaseline for?
> What do you wear when you do this?
> Do you have to buy the horse a drink first?
> What no foreplay?
> What position do you use?<<
>
> Hmmmm.
> Okay. I'll be strong. I need to keep my future
> employment as an educator firmly in mind (as this is a public forum) and
let
> others take on the majority of those questions...
> (how did we get so far astray? - going up to add OT to the subject line)
> But I will explain the vaseline. My dear old horse was half Arab half
Tennessee
> Walker, a beautiful palomino and a sweetheart. He was shown in Park Class,
the
> fancy english saddles, long linen coats and derby hats. The horses were
> supposed to be very showy, lots of high action and fancy stepping. That
> included holding his tail high and letting it flow behind him as he went
around
> the ring. Now underneath that tail we would we want to see a dusty neather
> region if you are a judge? (The answer is no ;-) Grooming is part of the
> overall effort.
> So vaseline was used as part of the grooming for show. Those horses were
> treated better than rock stars ;-) - and I don't want to hear any stories
about
> rock stars and vaseline!
> Now you know more than you ever wanted to know about blueing, vaseline and
I'll
> leave out ginger for today.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> The horses were
> supposed to be very showy, lots of high action and fancy stepping. That
> included holding his tail high and letting it flow behind him as he went
around
> the ring. Now underneath that tail we would we want to see a dusty neather
> region if you are a judge? (The answer is no ;-) Grooming is part of the
> overall effort.

Wouldn't the vaseline act as an attractant to dust, dirt and other
undesireables?

BV

[Ka30P]

BV wrote >>Wouldn't the vaseline act as an attractant to dust, dirt and other
undesireables?<<

Not for the 30 minutes in the ring.
The rest of the time he could be as slobby as he wanted. Kind of like spiffing
the boys up for a family wedding.


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[*muffin*]

> >And just for that.... let me threaten to tell
> >you how to keep a horse from pooping in the
> >show ring...
> >
> >
> >


ok, you got me interested.
: )

daughter shows horses, does all the other grooming previously mentioned,,
but I never heard you could STOP a horse from pooping IN the ring ( btw, I
never heard that count against an exhibiter........ dog shows, yes).

(now if there is a miraculous way to keep a gelding from , ummm exhibiting
himself during halter & showmanship...... , whomps under the belly with
the whip, is the only way for that we knew of)

[Snooze]

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> Good bulls also meant that a breeding
> accident couldn't be risked, hence the "collection". Quickest way to end a
> bull's prospects is a broken penis! :oO

Do I even want to know how it breaks?

Snooze

[joe]

Ooooh, ouch. Cringing just thinking about that.

Joe

On 5/25/04 4:49 PM, "*muffin*" > wrote:

> (now if there is a miraculous way to keep a gelding from , ummm exhibiting
> himself during halter & showmanship...... , whomps under the belly with
> the whip, is the only way for that we knew of)



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[Ka30P]

From the Standardbred world. They would insert a piece of ginger into the poor
horse's
anus. The irritation would keep the horse constipated for a time and also keep
the tail up and showy.
It will get you kicked out of competition in some breeds (may be all now, it's
been a loooong time!)
(Oh, and we never did that trick ;-)




kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[jammer]

On 25 May 2004 15:29:36 GMT, (Ka30P) wrote:

>BV wrote << I am so overloaded with silly comments about this, that I
don't
>even know
>where to begin... >>
>
>Well, then wait until I tell you about vacuuming his coat, boot
blacking his
>hooves and using vaseline on his.... ahem.... under tail parts -
luckily he was
>a gelding ;-)
>
>
>Ok, so i am reading this silly throead laughing at this and that. But
WHY do you glisten up their private parts?????!!!!!

[Ka30P]

jammer wrote << But
WHY do you glisten up their private parts?????!!!!! >>

Well, on a horse they don't consider anything private. But I'm talking right
under his tail.
Where the horse apples come out (or see the discussion on ginger).
Besides BV started it, didn't he??


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Hank]

In my next life I hope I come back as a prize bull and not a show
horse ...... I think I would rather be "collected" then turned into a
"ginger bred" cookie.

--
some photos of my little puddle
http://community.webshots.com/user/hankpage1

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> From the Standardbred world. They would insert a piece of ginger
into the poor
> horse's
> anus. The irritation would keep the horse constipated for a time and
also keep
> the tail up and showy.
> It will get you kicked out of competition in some breeds (may be all
now, it's
> been a loooong time!)
> (Oh, and we never did that trick ;-)
>
>
>
>
> kathy :-)
> <A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[GrannyGrump]

>In my next life I hope I come back as a prize bull and not a show
>horse ...... I think I would rather be "collected" then turned into a
>"ginger bred" cookie.

ROFL!

[*muffin*]

oh, ok,

we have saddlebreds where they still use ginger a LOT ( we don't) for tail
*UP*.
I never heard it will shut the thing down.

: )



"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> From the Standardbred world. They would insert a piece of ginger into the
poor
> horse's
> anus. The irritation would keep the horse constipated for a time and also
keep
> the tail up and showy.
> It will get you kicked out of competition in some breeds (may be all now,
it's
> been a loooong time!)
> (Oh, and we never did that trick ;-)

[jammer]

Oh. Thanks!







On 26 May 2004 02:33:46 GMT, (Ka30P) wrote:

>jammer wrote << But
>WHY do you glisten up their private parts?????!!!!! >>
>
>Well, on a horse they don't consider anything private. But I'm
talking right
>under his tail.
>Where the horse apples come out (or see the discussion on ginger).
>Besides BV started it, didn't he??
>
>
>kathy :-)
><A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> jammer wrote << But
> WHY do you glisten up their private parts?????!!!!! >>
>
> Well, on a horse they don't consider anything private. But I'm talking
right
> under his tail.
> Where the horse apples come out (or see the discussion on ginger).
> Besides BV started it, didn't he??


HEY!!!!!

All I did was dye my pond to kill some algae. I am testing a product for you
people! Kathy brought vaseline'ing a horse bottom parts! It's her fault not
mine!

BV.

[Ka30P]

BV wrote >>
HEY!!!!! All I did was dye my pond to kill some algae. I am testing a product
for you
people! Kathy brought vaseline'ing a horse bottom parts! It's her fault not
mine!<<

That's right... by the way, how is the pond?
(Next time coat your hands and arms in vaseline, it will keep yourself from
turning blue ;-)


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> BV wrote >>
> HEY!!!!! All I did was dye my pond to kill some algae. I am testing a
product
> for you
> people! Kathy brought vaseline'ing a horse bottom parts! It's her fault
not
> mine!<<
>
> That's right... by the way, how is the pond?
> (Next time coat your hands and arms in vaseline, it will keep yourself
from
> turning blue ;-)

The pond is clearing but still greenish/blue from the dye. I plan to do a
water change this week. If I'd just listen to my own mantra of beer and
patience, I'd be over this.

BV.

[chagoi]

Benign Vanilla wrote:

>
> The pond is clearing but still greenish/blue from the dye. I plan to do a
> water change this week. If I'd just listen to my own mantra of beer and
> patience, I'd be over this.
>
> BV.
>
>


LTDPA!!! & HAB


Algae water + new water = more algae water

Mine went so green, I could not see my 20" koi 3" below the surface. as
the WH and other plants are getting more established the water is
getting clearer. It has cleared enough over the last week to be able to
start seeing the green/blue sewer pipe Koi refuge that is 8" under the
surface

-- If the world was a logical place
men would ride side saddle.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Snooze" > wrote in message news:Klwtc.57884
<snip>
> "A broken penis in bulls is not very common but does occur. It usually
> occus when the bull is thrusting forward during ejaculation and the penis
> is bent sharply resulting in rupture of the corpus carvernosum penis. It
> may occur when a small bull is trying to service a bigger female, but more
> commonly it occurs when another bull rams or butts a bull that is mating a
> cow."
<snip>

Mommy.

[Benign Vanilla]

"HTH" > wrote in message
...
> Gosh I an not sure how you got on this topic and do not really want to
> know. But FWIW back in the 70's my dad purchased a prize bull who ended
> up with a broken pennis. That ended his career and his life. Hamburger.
<snip>

Man, talk about adding insult to injury. You lose your member, and then get
ground up.

BV.

[Susan H. Simko]

Snooze wrote:

>>>>bull's prospects is a broken penis! :oO
>>>
>>>Do I even want to know how it breaks?
>>
>> Well picture how any males would "break" and you got your answer! ;o)
>> Janet in Niagara Falls
>
>
> Well curosity got the better of me, so I asked Dr. Rasby from University of
> Nebraska, Lincoln, and this is what he said.
>
> "A broken penis in bulls is not very common but does occur. It usually
> occus when the bull is thrusting forward during ejaculation and the penis
> is bent sharply resulting in rupture of the corpus carvernosum penis. It
> may occur when a small bull is trying to service a bigger female, but more
> commonly it occurs when another bull rams or butts a bull that is mating a
> cow."

Okay, all you guys, cross your legs. It can happen to human men also.
I was read a medical journal article (complete with pictures of the
broken body part) of this happening to a man. Men are not made to play
*with* hot tubs.

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

[THE Old Man]

On Fri, 28 May 2004 08:57:57 -0400, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote:

>
>"HTH" > wrote in message
...
>> Gosh I an not sure how you got on this topic and do not really want to
>> know. But FWIW back in the 70's my dad purchased a prize bull who ended
>> up with a broken pennis. That ended his career and his life. Hamburger.
><snip>
>
>Man, talk about adding insult to injury. You lose your member, and then get
>ground up.
>
>BV.
>

Down here we call it D - I - V - O - R - C - E !

:)


Donald From Mississippi.
I plan to live to be 100.
So far so good.

[Earl Colby Pottinger]

"Benign Vanilla" > :

> So I was at Big Orange this weekend, and wandered down the pond aisle. They
> had these blue dye tablets that contain "enzymes" to eat the muck at the
> bottom of the pond. The idea here being, tint the water and your algae will
> die. I have about 3000 gallons, so I bought enough for about 1200 gallons.
>
> Results...
>
> ....either I have less water or these things really work...my water is very
> disturbingly blue.
> ....the algae seem to be affected as just after a day and the water is
> tinted
> but clearer
> ....the tables stain your skin
> ....the fish, frogs, etc do not seem bothered by the dye at all
> ....not sure I would ever do this again.

Question? Is there any reason that you can't get the same affect floating
large foam pads on the water to block the light? Maybe paint/shape them to
look like leaves. Or does that block too much air from the water?

Earl Colby Pottinger

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[HTH]

Ouch Ouch Ouch !!!

Susan H. Simko wrote:

<snip>

>
> Okay, all you guys, cross your legs. It can happen to human men also. I
> was read a medical journal article (complete with pictures of the broken
> body part) of this happening to a man. Men are not made to play *with*
> hot tubs.
>
> Susan
> shsimko[@]duke[.]edu


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[Benign Vanilla]

"Earl Colby Pottinger" > wrote in message
...
> "Benign Vanilla" > :
>
> > So I was at Big Orange this weekend, and wandered down the pond aisle.
They
> > had these blue dye tablets that contain "enzymes" to eat the muck at the
> > bottom of the pond. The idea here being, tint the water and your algae
will
> > die. I have about 3000 gallons, so I bought enough for about 1200
gallons.
> >
> > Results...
> >
> > ....either I have less water or these things really work...my water is
very
> > disturbingly blue.
> > ....the algae seem to be affected as just after a day and the water is
> > tinted
> > but clearer
> > ....the tables stain your skin
> > ....the fish, frogs, etc do not seem bothered by the dye at all
> > ....not sure I would ever do this again.
>
> Question? Is there any reason that you can't get the same affect floating
> large foam pads on the water to block the light? Maybe paint/shape them to
> look like leaves. Or does that block too much air from the water?
<snip>

I guess you could. I dunno. This dye thing was purely an experiment. LOL.
BTW, I changed out about 2 inches of water this past weekend. The water is
still very dyed green. *sigh*

BV.

[Ka30P]

EarlColbyPottinger wrote >>> Question? Is there any reason that you can't get
the same affect floating
> large foam pads on the water to block the light? Maybe paint/shape them to
> look like leaves. Or does that block too much air from the water?
<snip><<

Don't encourage him.
Or conversely, don't make it that easy.
Shade for the pond should come in the form of an elaborately designed and
constructed gazebo of cedar and redwood with tile inlays imported from Italy.



kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> EarlColbyPottinger wrote >>> Question? Is there any reason that you can't
get
> the same affect floating
> > large foam pads on the water to block the light? Maybe paint/shape them
to
> > look like leaves. Or does that block too much air from the water?
> <snip><<
>
> Don't encourage him.
> Or conversely, don't make it that easy.
> Shade for the pond should come in the form of an elaborately designed and
> constructed gazebo of cedar and redwood with tile inlays imported from
Italy.

Grrr...Like I need another project...Kathy don't you have a horse you should
be attending to?

BV.

[HTH]

If the pond was only 10 inches deep the 2 inch change would
be a 20% water change. More likely that the actually
change was under 5% which does little to alter the water
(quality or color).

A while back I wrote a page on the subject. It is geared to aquariums
but most of what is said works for ponds.

It includes a link to "Practical Fishkeeping"'s calculator for
determining water change size and frequency.

http://www.howardthehumble.com/aquatic/wc.html

Benign Vanilla wrote:


>
> <snip>
>
> I guess you could. I dunno. This dye thing was purely an experiment. LOL.
> BTW, I changed out about 2 inches of water this past weekend. The water is
> still very dyed green. *sigh*
>
> BV.
>
>


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[Ka30P]

BV wrote << Grrr...Like I need another project...Kathy don't you have a horse
you should
be attending to? >>

Heck no, I'm in the middle of 'my mother is
coming' housecleaning. The twins graduate on
Friday!


kathy :-)
<A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/">Once upon a pond</A>

[Benign Vanilla]

"HTH" > wrote in message
...
> If the pond was only 10 inches deep the 2 inch change would
> be a 20% water change. More likely that the actually
> change was under 5% which does little to alter the water
> (quality or color).

I'd like to do a bigger water change, but before I can do that, I need to
get some fittings for my 1000gph hour pump. The 200gph through a small tube,
doesn't do much and takes forever. I want to set it up, so my SO can hook
the pond pump up to the sprinkler when she waters the garden.

For now I figure small water changes are better then none.

> A while back I wrote a page on the subject. It is geared to aquariums
> but most of what is said works for ponds.
>
> It includes a link to "Practical Fishkeeping"'s calculator for
> determining water change size and frequency.
>
> http://www.howardthehumble.com/aquatic/wc.html
<snip>

The link is dead.

BV.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>I'd like to do a bigger water change, but before I can do that, I need to
>get some fittings for my 1000gph hour pump. The 200gph through a small tube,
>doesn't do much and takes forever. I want to set it up, so my SO can hook
>the pond pump up to the sprinkler when she waters the garden. BV

Now some pump instructions recommend against this due to the back pressure
running a sprinkler would have on a pump.

I do think it is a very good idea to make water changes using the pond
pump, by just a twist of the valve or whatever.

When my DH designed my filter he asked me if I wanted similar. Like the
dummy I was back then (at least I hope I'm a higher functioning dummy now)
I said, "No, I can plop the old little giant in when I need it, since I
only have to do a water once a month." Oh man, hauling that little giant
(which isn't that little or light) out once a week and putting it away, is
a royal PITA now days. If I didn't have to use it on my lily pond and the
D.pond I'd keep it in my pump chamber.

Anyway, in case you missed it, regarding water change percentages, I
reported that I did a water change the other day and thought I'd do a salt
check before and after. Before the change I had a salt level of .13%, after
I had .11%. Bascially doing a little more than a 15% water change out. (13
minus 11 = 2, then 2 divided by 13 equals .154 or 15.4%) This really
surprised me. Here I though I was doing between 20-25%.

So for those of us who don't have perfectly straight walled, flat bottom
ponds who could calculate their water change % in feet (or inches) i.e., 4
ft of pond, drain down 1' equals a 25% change out. Here is another way to
use your salt test measurements. ;o) ~ jan

(Do you know where your water quality is?)
(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[HTH]

I telneted to a machine off my site to check the link via lynx.
It was working. There may be a nameserver problem.
If a few others could try it and let me know the results it would help.
Do not need 20 people to check 2 or 3 would be great.

Howard

Benign Vanilla wrote:
<snip>
>>It includes a link to "Practical Fishkeeping"'s calculator for
>>determining water change size and frequency.
>>
>>http://www.howardthehumble.com/aquatic/wc.html
>
> <snip>
>
> The link is dead.
>
> BV.
>
>


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[joe]

Works for me

Joe

On 6/1/04 4:57 PM, "HTH" > wrote:

> I telneted to a machine off my site to check the link via lynx.
> It was working. There may be a nameserver problem.
> If a few others could try it and let me know the results it would help.
> Do not need 20 people to check 2 or 3 would be great.
>
> Howard
>
> Benign Vanilla wrote:
> <snip>
>>> It includes a link to "Practical Fishkeeping"'s calculator for
>>> determining water change size and frequency.
>>>
>>> http://www.howardthehumble.com/aquatic/wc.html
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> The link is dead.
>>
>> BV.



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[Benign Vanilla]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
> So I was at Big Orange this weekend, and wandered down the pond aisle.
They
> had these blue dye tablets that contain "enzymes" to eat the muck at the
> bottom of the pond. The idea here being, tint the water and your algae
will
> die. I have about 3000 gallons, so I bought enough for about 1200 gallons.
>
> Results...
>
> ...either I have less water or these things really work...my water is very
> disturbingly blue.
> ...the algae seem to be affected as just after a day and the water is
tinted
> but clearer
> ...the tables stain your skin
> ...the fish, frogs, etc do not seem bothered by the dye at all
> ...not sure I would ever do this again.

I did another water change this weekend. This time I drained about 400
gallons or so. I did it over a two day period, when we started getting a lot
of rain. Some of the replacement was rain, some from the hose. Anyway, today
the water is much clearer, I can see down probably a foot. A lot of fish are
swimming, so I don't know if it is because the water is clearer or if the
pond is just coming into the season. The Koi, which have been impossible to
see for a few weeks, I swear, have grown a few inches. The minnows are
everywhere.

In short, the dye won't be used again.

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
> So I was at Big Orange this weekend, and wandered down the pond aisle.
They
> had these blue dye tablets that contain "enzymes" to eat the muck at the
> bottom of the pond. The idea here being, tint the water and your algae
will
> die. I have about 3000 gallons, so I bought enough for about 1200 gallons.
>
> Results...
>
> ...either I have less water or these things really work...my water is very
> disturbingly blue.
> ...the algae seem to be affected as just after a day and the water is
tinted
> but clearer
> ...the tables stain your skin
> ...the fish, frogs, etc do not seem bothered by the dye at all
> ...not sure I would ever do this again.

I drained about a foot of water out this past weekend. The pond has now
cleared to about 2-2.5 feet down. I can actually see some fish, and they are
becoming more active. Did I mention, never again?

BV.

[Bonnie]

Benign Vanilla wrote:

> I drained about a foot of water out this past weekend. The pond has now
> cleared to about 2-2.5 feet down. I can actually see some fish, and they are
> becoming more active. Did I mention, never again?
>
> BV.

I have to ask - were you the kid that stuck his
finger in a light socket to see what happens? We
certainly learn from your experiments ;-)
--
Bonnie
NJ

[Benign Vanilla]

"Bonnie" > wrote in message
...
> Benign Vanilla wrote:
>
> > I drained about a foot of water out this past weekend. The pond has now
> > cleared to about 2-2.5 feet down. I can actually see some fish, and they
are
> > becoming more active. Did I mention, never again?
> >
> > BV.
>
> I have to ask - were you the kid that stuck his
> finger in a light socket to see what happens? We
> certainly learn from your experiments ;-)

Been there. Done that.

BV.

[Snooze]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
> > I have to ask - were you the kid that stuck his
> > finger in a light socket to see what happens? We
> > certainly learn from your experiments ;-)
>
> Been there. Done that.
>
> BV.
>
>

Ever since drugs, gangs invaded schools American schools, and now post
Columbine and 9/11, the things that most of us did in our youth, would now
most likely get us all expelled or tossed in jail. Zero tolerance rules,
expels kids for having an unreported asthma inhalers, girls for giving their
friends a midol, and such.

I remember as a kid I used to often have a pocket knife in my pocket, or in
my backpack. These days one of those on campus would get the sheriff's
department.

All the pranks that boys have done for generations, like fire crackers in
mailboxes, bottle rockets. I've remember making mini rockets out of
matchheads, and sugar rockets, these days both would most likely be called
bomb paraphernalia.

I'm reminded of a time a buddy of mine got called down to the principal's
office, because he had gone hunting in the morning before class, and had
accidentally left a round on front seat. End result was he got a scolding,
that amounted to, "you should know better, put the round away, and tomorrow
make sure you don't leave any in the truck" These days completely different
story.

Snooze