Harbor Freight.. sucks!

[Gareee©]

Just got an email reply from them, after asking them what happened to my
order last week.

The pump is backordered til June 26th, (assuming they come in then), and the
lights are backordered till aug. pth!

I just told them to cancel my order, and f I still needed them then, that I
would reorder.


So anyone else know of another good onlinbe source for underwater lights and
for pumps?


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[Michael Shaffer]

http://www.aquatic-eco.com/

Gareee© wrote:
> Just got an email reply from them, after asking them what happened to my
> order last week.
>
> The pump is backordered til June 26th, (assuming they come in then), and the
> lights are backordered till aug. pth!
>
> I just told them to cancel my order, and f I still needed them then, that I
> would reorder.
>
>
> So anyone else know of another good onlinbe source for underwater lights and
> for pumps?
>
>

[joe]

try:
http://www.pumpworld.net

Joe

On 5/26/04 3:58 PM, "Gareee©" > wrote:

>
> So anyone else know of another good onlinbe source for underwater lights and
> for pumps?



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I have had good luck with www.pondliner.com




"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> Just got an email reply from them, after asking them what happened to my
> order last week.
>
> The pump is backordered til June 26th, (assuming they come in then), and
the
> lights are backordered till aug. pth!
>
> I just told them to cancel my order, and f I still needed them then, that
I
> would reorder.
>
>
> So anyone else know of another good onlinbe source for underwater lights
and
> for pumps?
>
>
> --
> Gareee©
> Homepage:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>
>

[Gareee©]

Thanks, guys!
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[Just Me \Koi\]

Actually if I may, they don't suck that bad! :-)

I just walk in to their store, show them the sales from the online store,
and voila I leave with what I want at the online price without paying
shipping!

Speaking of "sucks", the underwater light they have for sale sucks bad! My
Brother bought one, and it lights nothing!

Now the car headlight connected to Malibu transformer, that works great!

Just my 2 cents, which is worth as much as BV's 2 cents = $0.00

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"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> Just got an email reply from them, after asking them what happened to my
> order last week.
>
> The pump is backordered til June 26th, (assuming they come in then), and
the
> lights are backordered till aug. pth!
>
> I just told them to cancel my order, and f I still needed them then, that
I
> would reorder.
>
>
> So anyone else know of another good onlinbe source for underwater lights
and
> for pumps?
>
>
> --
> Gareee©
> Homepage:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>
>

[Dances With Ferrets]

http://petsolutions.com/category.asp?c=2 <------------I order from
this company frequently for many animal/aquarium/pond-related things
and I am pleased.

[Dances With Ferrets]

Oh yeah, and there's always Ebay. I've found insane amounts of pond
supplies on there. In case of the remote chance that you don't know
about Ebay: http://www.ebay.com .

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Actually if I may, they don't suck that bad! :-)
>
> I just walk in to their store, show them the sales from the online store,
> and voila I leave with what I want at the online price without paying
> shipping!
>
> Speaking of "sucks", the underwater light they have for sale sucks bad!
My
> Brother bought one, and it lights nothing!
>
> Now the car headlight connected to Malibu transformer, that works great!
>
> Just my 2 cents, which is worth as much as BV's 2 cents = $0.00

Hey my Target solar lights are great.

BV.

[Steve J. Noll]

On Wed, 26 May 2004 18:58:03 -0400, "Gareee©"
> wrote:

>Just got an email reply from them, after asking them what happened to my
>order last week.
>
>The pump is backordered til June 26th, (assuming they come in then), and the
>lights are backordered till aug. pth!
>
>I just told them to cancel my order, and f I still needed them then, that I
>would reorder.
>
>
>So anyone else know of another good onlinbe source for underwater lights and
>for pumps?


Here's a list of a bunch of them:

http://www.kissingfrogs.tv/ponddirectory.html


>--
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>
>

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| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv

[Gareee©]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...

>
> Hey my Target solar lights are great.

Target has Solar Pond lights???


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[Benign Vanilla]

"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >
> > Hey my Target solar lights are great.
>
> Target has Solar Pond lights???

Sorry...I was trying to make a cute retort to that Just Smartass Koi fellow,
and it's too early so I folded under the pressure and plaster the group with
a stupid post. This will invariably garner more abused from Joker Me Koi,
but I guess that is the fate I must suffer.

The lights I was refering to are the kind that go in the landscaping. Mine
are near the pond edge. They attract bugs, and make my frogs happy. They
also keep me from falling into the pond when I am toad hunting in the dark.

Coffee? Where is the coffee in this place?

BV

[Gareee©]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gareee©" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > >
> > > Hey my Target solar lights are great.
> >
> > Target has Solar Pond lights???
>
> Sorry...I was trying to make a cute retort to that Just Smartass Koi
fellow,
> and it's too early so I folded under the pressure and plaster the group
with
> a stupid post. This will invariably garner more abused from Joker Me Koi,
> but I guess that is the fate I must suffer.
>
> The lights I was refering to are the kind that go in the landscaping. Mine
> are near the pond edge. They attract bugs, and make my frogs happy. They
> also keep me from falling into the pond when I am toad hunting in the
dark.
>
> Coffee? Where is the coffee in this place?

Ah, drat!

Guess I'll try to tackle the headlight project after all. My biggest concern
is finding a power source to power a car headlight, that just be plugged
into an extension cord.


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Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!

[Gale Pearce]

Just connect it to an existing low voltage system if you have one (as long
as the transformer will handle the extra load) - or buy a small 12 volt
transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
Gale :~)

> Guess I'll try to tackle the headlight project after all. My biggest
concern
> is finding a power source to power a car headlight, that just be plugged
> into an extension cord.
>
>
> --
> Gareee©
> Homepage:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>
>

[joe]

just use a car battery charger (probably have one on the shelf of your
garage.) I always use mine when testing any 12volt car accessory that
happens to be removed from the car at the time.

"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
>
> Just connect it to an existing low voltage system if you have one (as long
> as the transformer will handle the extra load) - or buy a small 12 volt
> transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> Gale :~)
>
> > Guess I'll try to tackle the headlight project after all. My biggest
> concern
> > is finding a power source to power a car headlight, that just be plugged
> > into an extension cord.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gareee©
> > Homepage:
> > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> > Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> >
> >
>
>

[Gareee©]

"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
>
> Just connect it to an existing low voltage system if you have one (as long
> as the transformer will handle the extra load) - or buy a small 12 volt
> transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> Gale :~)

Where can you find those? Lowe's, auto stores, Home depot, Wal-Mart??

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Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!

[Gale Pearce]

Home depot etc carry these - if you only want to run the one light , a 20
watt unit should be all you need - I think that is what mine is that came
with the light ~ 8 yrs ago - I think it is a cal pump underwater light -
looks just like a car sealed beam, in fact when I had to replace it I got
the identical light from an auto store (a Philips - don't remember the #) ~
$7 Can
Gale :~)
or buy a small 12 volt
> > transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> > Gale :~)
>
> Where can you find those? Lowe's, auto stores, Home depot, Wal-Mart??
>
> --
> Gareee©
> Homepage:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
>
>

[Gareee©]

Hmmm... That's making me wonder if those smaller replacement headlights that
plug into built in car headlight housing could be used somehow? They look
like they might draw less power, and of course are smaller (but with no
reflector)

I might see if I can work up an alternate housing for the headlight in any
case... instead of pouring quickrete, maybe I can use a Tupperware (or such)
rectangular container, use silicon for a sealer, and fill it with small
aquarium gravel to weigh it down.
(that would eliminate the long cure time, and also eliminate any lime or
chemical leaching from the concrete.


"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> Home depot etc carry these - if you only want to run the one light , a 20
> watt unit should be all you need - I think that is what mine is that came
> with the light ~ 8 yrs ago - I think it is a cal pump underwater light -
> looks just like a car sealed beam, in fact when I had to replace it I got
> the identical light from an auto store (a Philips - don't remember the #)
~
> $7 Can
> Gale :~)
> or buy a small 12 volt
> > > transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> > > Gale :~)
> >
> > Where can you find those? Lowe's, auto stores, Home depot, Wal-Mart??
> >
> > --
> > Gareee©
> > Homepage:
> > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> > Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> >
> >
>
>

[Rodney Pont]

On Sat, 29 May 2004 09:37:42 -0400, Gale Pearce wrote:

> or buy a small 12 volt
>> > transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
>> > Gale :~)
>
>Home depot etc carry these - if you only want to run the one light , a 20
>watt unit should be all you need - I think that is what mine is that came
>with the light ~ 8 yrs ago - I think it is a cal pump underwater light -
>looks just like a car sealed beam, in fact when I had to replace it I got
>the identical light from an auto store (a Philips - don't remember the #) ~
>$7 Can

UK car headlamps are 60 watts (5 amps at 12 volts). Are yours really
only 20 watts?

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[Remydog]

I would have to believe by the time you tried to create your own underwater
lights, between the time effort and materials, you'd be better off buying
something manufactured for the purpose.

"Rodney Pont" > wrote in message
news:atcfzvasbuvgflfgrzfygqhx.hyisnj0.pminews@ihs1 ...
> On Sat, 29 May 2004 09:37:42 -0400, Gale Pearce wrote:
>
> > or buy a small 12 volt
> >> > transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> >> > Gale :~)
> >
> >Home depot etc carry these - if you only want to run the one light , a 20
> >watt unit should be all you need - I think that is what mine is that came
> >with the light ~ 8 yrs ago - I think it is a cal pump underwater light -
> >looks just like a car sealed beam, in fact when I had to replace it I got
> >the identical light from an auto store (a Philips - don't remember the #)
~
> >$7 Can
>
> UK car headlamps are 60 watts (5 amps at 12 volts). Are yours really
> only 20 watts?
>
> --
> Regards - Rodney Pont
> The from address exists but is mostly dumped,
> please send any emails to the address below
> e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk
>
>

[Gale Pearce]

I just checked my transformer that came with the light - it is a Cal Pump
model # PS 11V16 20 amp unit - the cement housing that the nursery made to
house it disintegrated in the pond and I found one of those red pottery
crock flower pots that fit the bulb perfectly - after dark it looks like a
lit up acquarium - one other thing - contacts are not sealed in any way, the
wires are just plugged onto the bulb terminals like you would in a car -
thats the way it was sold to me
Gale :~)
"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> Hmmm... That's making me wonder if those smaller replacement headlights
that
> plug into built in car headlight housing could be used somehow? They look
> like they might draw less power, and of course are smaller (but with no
> reflector)
>
> I might see if I can work up an alternate housing for the headlight in any
> case... instead of pouring quickrete, maybe I can use a Tupperware (or
such)
> rectangular container, use silicon for a sealer, and fill it with small
> aquarium gravel to weigh it down.
> (that would eliminate the long cure time, and also eliminate any lime or
> chemical leaching from the concrete.
>
>
> "Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Home depot etc carry these - if you only want to run the one light , a
20
> > watt unit should be all you need - I think that is what mine is that
came
> > with the light ~ 8 yrs ago - I think it is a cal pump underwater light -
> > looks just like a car sealed beam, in fact when I had to replace it I
got
> > the identical light from an auto store (a Philips - don't remember the
#)
> ~
> > $7 Can
> > Gale :~)
> > or buy a small 12 volt
> > > > transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> > > > Gale :~)
> > >
> > > Where can you find those? Lowe's, auto stores, Home depot, Wal-Mart??
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gareee©
> > > Homepage:
> > > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> > > Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

yeah.. I like rope lights. not the same effect as spot lights. also, there are also
those new bright lights ... I sent on an LED post from some time back. Ingrid

"Remydog" > wrote:

>I would have to believe by the time you tried to create your own underwater
>lights, between the time effort and materials, you'd be better off buying
>something manufactured for the purpose.


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[Gale Pearce]

I took the light out of my pond yesterday and the bulb was in a plastic
holder with a lead weight - the contacts are inside and not wide open as I
remembered it (been a few yrs since I had it out) and the sealed beam is ~
garden tractor size, not a car headlamp
Gale :~)

"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> I just checked my transformer that came with the light - it is a Cal Pump
> model # PS 11V16 20 amp unit - the cement housing that the nursery made
to
> house it disintegrated in the pond and I found one of those red pottery
> crock flower pots that fit the bulb perfectly - after dark it looks like a
> lit up acquarium - one other thing - contacts are not sealed in any way,
the
> wires are just plugged onto the bulb terminals like you would in a car -
> thats the way it was sold to me
> Gale :~)
> "Gareee©" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hmmm... That's making me wonder if those smaller replacement headlights
> that
> > plug into built in car headlight housing could be used somehow? They
look
> > like they might draw less power, and of course are smaller (but with no
> > reflector)
> >
> > I might see if I can work up an alternate housing for the headlight in
any
> > case... instead of pouring quickrete, maybe I can use a Tupperware (or
> such)
> > rectangular container, use silicon for a sealer, and fill it with small
> > aquarium gravel to weigh it down.
> > (that would eliminate the long cure time, and also eliminate any lime or
> > chemical leaching from the concrete.
> >
> >
> > "Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Home depot etc carry these - if you only want to run the one light , a
> 20
> > > watt unit should be all you need - I think that is what mine is that
> came
> > > with the light ~ 8 yrs ago - I think it is a cal pump underwater
light -
> > > looks just like a car sealed beam, in fact when I had to replace it I
> got
> > > the identical light from an auto store (a Philips - don't remember the
> #)
> > ~
> > > $7 Can
> > > Gale :~)
> > > or buy a small 12 volt
> > > > > transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> > > > > Gale :~)
> > > >
> > > > Where can you find those? Lowe's, auto stores, Home depot,
Wal-Mart??
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gareee©
> > > > Homepage:
> > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> > > > Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Gareee©]

Good additional info. We've had family visiting for the last week, and once
they leave (soon thanks Gawd!), I can look at working up a pond light.
Probably after Weds. this week.

I'm sure I'll find a lamp/headlight at Biglots, and then it's a matter of
getting the power correct, and then sealing it.

Caulking gun silicon is great for maming small things watertight, and I'll
probably try that. I also saw that they have electrical wiring and cables
there as well.

I want to see how inexpensive and easy I can make one that actually works
good and looks nice. Lovally, they only have some low watt ones that are $40
+, and for a low level light, that's just too expensive to me. It's not so
much that I can't afford it, it's the principal of the thing.

Worst case, I can always get sealed rope light, but I want to try an
underwater floodlight kinda thing first., and maybe have it under our big
gargoyle spitter, shining up at him...

I actually got a decent night shot of our backyard and pond last night.. and
I used a new photoshop tool I got called Noise Ninja.. it cleaned up the
nightshot quite well!


"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> I took the light out of my pond yesterday and the bulb was in a plastic
> holder with a lead weight - the contacts are inside and not wide open as
I
> remembered it (been a few yrs since I had it out) and the sealed beam is ~
> garden tractor size, not a car headlamp
> Gale :~)
>
> "Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I just checked my transformer that came with the light - it is a Cal
Pump
> > model # PS 11V16 20 amp unit - the cement housing that the nursery made
> to
> > house it disintegrated in the pond and I found one of those red pottery
> > crock flower pots that fit the bulb perfectly - after dark it looks like
a
> > lit up acquarium - one other thing - contacts are not sealed in any way,

> the
> > wires are just plugged onto the bulb terminals like you would in a car -
> > thats the way it was sold to me
> > Gale :~)
> > "Gareee©" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hmmm... That's making me wonder if those smaller replacement
headlights
> > that
> > > plug into built in car headlight housing could be used somehow? They
> look
> > > like they might draw less power, and of course are smaller (but with
no
> > > reflector)
> > >
> > > I might see if I can work up an alternate housing for the headlight in
> any
> > > case... instead of pouring quickrete, maybe I can use a Tupperware (or
> > such)
> > > rectangular container, use silicon for a sealer, and fill it with
small
> > > aquarium gravel to weigh it down.
> > > (that would eliminate the long cure time, and also eliminate any lime
or
> > > chemical leaching from the concrete.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Home depot etc carry these - if you only want to run the one light ,
a
> > 20
> > > > watt unit should be all you need - I think that is what mine is that
> > came
> > > > with the light ~ 8 yrs ago - I think it is a cal pump underwater
> light -
> > > > looks just like a car sealed beam, in fact when I had to replace it
I
> > got
> > > > the identical light from an auto store (a Philips - don't remember
the
> > #)
> > > ~
> > > > $7 Can
> > > > Gale :~)
> > > > or buy a small 12 volt
> > > > > > transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> > > > > > Gale :~)
> > > > >
> > > > > Where can you find those? Lowe's, auto stores, Home depot,
> Wal-Mart??
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Gareee©
> > > > > Homepage:
> > > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> > > > > Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

I have always had good luck with Harbor Freight. I would expect with pond
items this is a time of high demand for those type of products and the low
prices, so there may be backorders and such. I order those type of items in
the off season ie; December ,January etc. On other items I have ordered I
have gotton my order within a week. You just can't make a blanket statement
about a company...well...you can if you want to..LOL MIKE
"Steve J. Noll" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 18:58:03 -0400, "Gareee©"
> > wrote:
>
> >Just got an email reply from them, after asking them what happened to my
> >order last week.
> >
> >The pump is backordered til June 26th, (assuming they come in then), and
the
> >lights are backordered till aug. pth!
> >
> >I just told them to cancel my order, and f I still needed them then, that
I
> >would reorder.
> >
> >
> >So anyone else know of another good onlinbe source for underwater lights
and
> >for pumps?
>
>
> Here's a list of a bunch of them:
>
> http://www.kissingfrogs.tv/ponddirectory.html
>
>
> >--
> >Gareee©
> >Homepage:
> >http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/ellison/86/mainframe.htm
> >Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more!
> >
> >
>
> Steve J. Noll | Ventura California
> | Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv
>

I and a friend have also taken these floating 12-volt fishing lights from
Walmart. They have a styrofoam case that makes them float, light facing
into the water. You just wire them into your 12-volt landscape lights.
Easy to do. The lights sell in the 5-8 dollar range. MIKE
"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> Good additional info. We've had family visiting for the last week, and
once
> they leave (soon thanks Gawd!), I can look at working up a pond light.
> Probably after Weds. this week.
>
> I'm sure I'll find a lamp/headlight at Biglots, and then it's a matter of
> getting the power correct, and then sealing it.
>
> Caulking gun silicon is great for maming small things watertight, and I'll
> probably try that. I also saw that they have electrical wiring and cables
> there as well.
>
> I want to see how inexpensive and easy I can make one that actually works
> good and looks nice. Lovally, they only have some low watt ones that are
$40
> +, and for a low level light, that's just too expensive to me. It's not so
> much that I can't afford it, it's the principal of the thing.
>
> Worst case, I can always get sealed rope light, but I want to try an
> underwater floodlight kinda thing first., and maybe have it under our big
> gargoyle spitter, shining up at him...
>
> I actually got a decent night shot of our backyard and pond last night..
and
> I used a new photoshop tool I got called Noise Ninja.. it cleaned up the
> nightshot quite well!
>
>
> "Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I took the light out of my pond yesterday and the bulb was in a plastic
> > holder with a lead weight - the contacts are inside and not wide open
as
> I
> > remembered it (been a few yrs since I had it out) and the sealed beam is
~
> > garden tractor size, not a car headlamp
> > Gale :~)
> >
> > "Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I just checked my transformer that came with the light - it is a Cal
> Pump
> > > model # PS 11V16 20 amp unit - the cement housing that the nursery
made
> > to
> > > house it disintegrated in the pond and I found one of those red
pottery
> > > crock flower pots that fit the bulb perfectly - after dark it looks
like
> a
> > > lit up acquarium - one other thing - contacts are not sealed in any
way,
>
> > the
> > > wires are just plugged onto the bulb terminals like you would in a
car -
> > > thats the way it was sold to me
> > > Gale :~)
> > > "Gareee©" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hmmm... That's making me wonder if those smaller replacement
> headlights
> > > that
> > > > plug into built in car headlight housing could be used somehow? They
> > look
> > > > like they might draw less power, and of course are smaller (but with
> no
> > > > reflector)
> > > >
> > > > I might see if I can work up an alternate housing for the headlight
in
> > any
> > > > case... instead of pouring quickrete, maybe I can use a Tupperware
(or
> > > such)
> > > > rectangular container, use silicon for a sealer, and fill it with
> small
> > > > aquarium gravel to weigh it down.
> > > > (that would eliminate the long cure time, and also eliminate any
lime
> or
> > > > chemical leaching from the concrete.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Home depot etc carry these - if you only want to run the one light
,
> a
> > > 20
> > > > > watt unit should be all you need - I think that is what mine is
that
> > > came
> > > > > with the light ~ 8 yrs ago - I think it is a cal pump underwater
> > light -
> > > > > looks just like a car sealed beam, in fact when I had to replace
it
> I
> > > got
> > > > > the identical light from an auto store (a Philips - don't remember
> the
> > > #)
> > > > ~
> > > > > $7 Can
> > > > > Gale :~)
> > > > > or buy a small 12 volt
> > > > > > > transformer to run it separately. That's how mine is powered
> > > > > > > Gale :~)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where can you find those? Lowe's, auto stores, Home depot,
> > Wal-Mart??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Gareee©
> > > > > > Homepage:
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Gareee©]

> wrote in message ...
> I have always had good luck with Harbor Freight. I would expect with pond
> items this is a time of high demand for those type of products and the low
> prices, so there may be backorders and such. I order those type of items
in
> the off season ie; December ,January etc. On other items I have ordered I
> have gotton my order within a week. You just can't make a blanket
statement
> about a company...well...you can if you want to..LOL MIKE

Well, I can based on my experience with them. I ordered from them, got no
contact at all from them for almost 2 weeks, finally emailed them inquiring
the status of my order, and THEN was told it was backordered.

I've ordered MANY things online, from plants, to computer hardware, and I
almost always get emailed some kind of order confirmation/status either the
day of order, or within a day or so.

Someone else followed up with a comment that the underwater lights they have
were terrible, so I'm glad I didn't get them now.

If you'd like a correction:

"My dealing with Harbor Freight indicate that they SUCK!"

There ya go.

I want to order when I want to order, not when it is convenient for the
company I am ordering from. If they don;t have an item in stock, it should
be listed as such in their online catalog. I had expected delivery of these
items in time for a vacationing visit from my in-laws. Obviously, I did not
get them in time, and our pond was now unfinished for backyard barbeque and
picnic entertaining plans.

Once I contacted them, and decided to cancel the order, they did expedite
that quickly, but I know I'll not order from them again.

Here's a GREAT online company example we just had last week:

We ordered two DVD sets from Amazon.com, and received both DVD sets two full
days BEFORE the actual release date! The day before our order arrived, we
had a delivery confirmation, and they not only arrived the next day, BUT our
credit card was actually charged the day they arrived!

While this is not the norm, this is an excellent reason why Amazon continues
to earn our business.

Online companies can only offer a few reasons to buy from them:

Price
Fast/Cheap delivery
Excellent customer service.

Out of the top 3, Harbor only gave me the first reason: Price.. and if I
can;t order and get items from them, the other two reasons become worthless.


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[Gareee©]

> wrote in message ...
> I and a friend have also taken these floating 12-volt fishing lights from
> Walmart. They have a styrofoam case that makes them float, light facing
> into the water. You just wire them into your 12-volt landscape lights.
> Easy to do. The lights sell in the 5-8 dollar range. MIKE

Hmm. and I'm going to Wal-Mart today... ;)

Maybe the case can be submerged, or it can be used as a floating planter of
some sort...

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Do this at you own risk of course. {:O) It has worked for us. MIKE
"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message ...
> > I and a friend have also taken these floating 12-volt fishing lights
from
> > Walmart. They have a styrofoam case that makes them float, light facing
> > into the water. You just wire them into your 12-volt landscape lights.
> > Easy to do. The lights sell in the 5-8 dollar range. MIKE
>
> Hmm. and I'm going to Wal-Mart today... ;)
>
> Maybe the case can be submerged, or it can be used as a floating planter
of
> some sort...
>
> --
> Gareee©
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> Gareee©
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>
>

I don't blame you. If I had gotten service like that I'd feel the same way.
As far as their underwater lights. They work fine for me. {:O) MIKE
"> Online companies can only offer a few reasons to buy from them:
>
> Price
> Fast/Cheap delivery
> Excellent customer service.

[Gareee©]

> wrote in message ...
> I and a friend have also taken these floating 12-volt fishing lights from
> Walmart. They have a styrofoam case that makes them float, light facing
> into the water. You just wire them into your 12-volt landscape lights.
> Easy to do. The lights sell in the 5-8 dollar range. MIKE

Ok, I grabbed one of these lights (They do look like easy pond lights!)..
any resource for the 12 volt adapters though? The cheapest thing at Lowe's
was $40 or so...


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[Andy Hill]

"Gareee©" > wrote:
> wrote in message ...
>> I and a friend have also taken these floating 12-volt fishing lights from
>> Walmart. They have a styrofoam case that makes them float, light facing
>> into the water. You just wire them into your 12-volt landscape lights.
>> Easy to do. The lights sell in the 5-8 dollar range. MIKE
>
>Ok, I grabbed one of these lights (They do look like easy pond lights!)..
>any resource for the 12 volt adapters though? The cheapest thing at Lowe's
>was $40 or so...
>
Should've picked one up while you were at Wally World -- $40 there will get you
a kit with ~20 lights, a 12V transformer, and a few other odds and ends.
Should be able to score just a transformer for well under that. Just ask where
the "landscaping lights" are.

[Gareee©]

"Andy Hill" > wrote in message
...
> "Gareee©" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
...
> >> I and a friend have also taken these floating 12-volt fishing lights
from
> >> Walmart. They have a styrofoam case that makes them float, light
facing
> >> into the water. You just wire them into your 12-volt landscape lights.
> >> Easy to do. The lights sell in the 5-8 dollar range. MIKE
> >
> >Ok, I grabbed one of these lights (They do look like easy pond lights!)..
> >any resource for the 12 volt adapters though? The cheapest thing at
Lowe's
> >was $40 or so...
> >
> Should've picked one up while you were at Wally World -- $40 there will
get you
> a kit with ~20 lights, a 12V transformer, and a few other odds and ends.
> Should be able to score just a transformer for well under that. Just ask
where
> the "landscaping lights" are.

I already have solar lights, so don't need (or want) the low wat lights..
they are a pain to setup, and maintain. (Last set we had always seemed to
have some problem, and the way the lights hooked up to the wireing was a
nightmare!)

Solars are *so* much better.. just pop them into the ground, and forget
them. Plus, if you want to redo your lighting, there's no hassle at all. (we
actually re-arrange our lights every few months.)

so I really just need the 12 volt transformer.


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