Covering Pond for Winter [Archive] - FishKeepingBanter.com

William Share

June 11th 04, 09:34 PM

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> First let me chastise you for writing the
> word 'winter' when summer has yet to start
> here! ;-)
>
> I think your plan to leave 1" around the whole pond will be okay. But
watch
> that inch!
> You might also, if possible, put a bubbler under the surface of the water
at
> the edge just for extra protection.
>

Yeah, Winter?

I was thinking about this recently too though. Our neighbour's tree
partially overhangs the pond and drops all kinds of crap in the pond. Right
now it's dropping some kind of little green balls about the size of pin
heads, which clog up the filter nicely. In the fall it drops these small
leaves, which would pass through most of the pond nets I've seen. So I need
something to cover up the pond to keep the fishies clean. The bottom of the
pond was a hell of a mess this spring.

We brought the fish inside last year after a Heron feeding and they're still
here. We didn't want to lose our prize GF to the Heron, as it's about 6"
now. We've threatened to panfry him, but he keeps gobbling.

RichToyBox

June 12th 04, 12:15 AM

My pond is covered and heated during the winter. The cover is a lean-to
with 3 layers of poly sheeting and one layer of the pool solar cover. I do
not leave a venting area around the perimeter, but do enter the enclosure 2
times a day for feeding the fish. I do not think it would be necessary to
provide any ventilation if the cover is mounted above the pond. If it is
layed on the surface of the water, then I would leave at least an inch all
the way around and install airstones. The water will not be able to have
gas exchange under the cover, and will get fouled.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"MC" > wrote in message
om...
> I plan on covering my pond (zone 5, Chicago) this winter with a solar
> pool cover (it looks like bubblewrap). The question is how much area
> do I need to leave open for gases to escape? If I leave 1" around the
> whole pond, is that enough?

[email protected]

June 12th 04, 03:54 AM

I am in Milwaukee, zone 5 and I cover my pond with plain dispo plastic altho I too
make a lean too above the pond.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/winters/winter.htm
this last year I put in a 500 watt heater for 1600 gallons and it kept the water 50o
or better for all but one month. meaning I could feed the fish lightly and their
immune system was down only about a month. I have a big 12" airstone blowing air
into the pond all winter. the air pump is in my garage.
Ingrid

"RichToyBox" > wrote:

>My pond is covered and heated during the winter. The cover is a lean-to
>with 3 layers of poly sheeting and one layer of the pool solar cover. I do
>not leave a venting area around the perimeter, but do enter the enclosure 2
>times a day for feeding the fish. I do not think it would be necessary to
>provide any ventilation if the cover is mounted above the pond. If it is
>layed on the surface of the water, then I would leave at least an inch all
>the way around and install airstones. The water will not be able to have
>gas exchange under the cover, and will get fouled.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

June 14th 04, 04:16 PM

What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
have 500 gallons in Chicago.

It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
find them in the winter in Chicago.

wrote in message >...
> I am in Milwaukee, zone 5 and I cover my pond with plain dispo plastic altho I too
> make a lean too above the pond.
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/winters/winter.htm
> this last year I put in a 500 watt heater for 1600 gallons and it kept the water 50o
> or better for all but one month. meaning I could feed the fish lightly and their
> immune system was down only about a month. I have a big 12" airstone blowing air
> into the pond all winter. the air pump is in my garage.
> Ingrid
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote:
>
> >My pond is covered and heated during the winter. The cover is a lean-to
> >with 3 layers of poly sheeting and one layer of the pool solar cover. I do
> >not leave a venting area around the perimeter, but do enter the enclosure 2
> >times a day for feeding the fish. I do not think it would be necessary to
> >provide any ventilation if the cover is mounted above the pond. If it is
> >layed on the surface of the water, then I would leave at least an inch all
> >the way around and install airstones. The water will not be able to have
> >gas exchange under the cover, and will get fouled.
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

RichToyBox

June 15th 04, 01:58 AM

I use the Quick Plug QP20T from Aquatic Eco. I have two of them in my 4000
gallon pond and one in my 2500 gallon pond and am able to keep my ponds near
70 degrees. They really don't start doing any heating to speak of until
January and by the first of March, the sun is high enough to provide pretty
good solar heat. If the only purpose is to keep the pond from freezing
over, I don't know if you would need a heater at all, as long as it is
covered with a lean-to or igloo structure to keep the cold, chilling wind
away from the water, and allow the natural heat of the soil to be captured
without evaporative losses.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"MC" > wrote in message
om...
> What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
> heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> have 500 gallons in Chicago.
>
> It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
> of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
> them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> find them in the winter in Chicago.
>
> wrote in message
>...
> > I am in Milwaukee, zone 5 and I cover my pond with plain dispo plastic
altho I too
> > make a lean too above the pond.
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/winters/winter.htm
> > this last year I put in a 500 watt heater for 1600 gallons and it kept
the water 50o
> > or better for all but one month. meaning I could feed the fish lightly
and their
> > immune system was down only about a month. I have a big 12" airstone
blowing air
> > into the pond all winter. the air pump is in my garage.
> > Ingrid
> >
> > "RichToyBox" > wrote:
> >
> > >My pond is covered and heated during the winter. The cover is a
lean-to
> > >with 3 layers of poly sheeting and one layer of the pool solar cover.
I do
> > >not leave a venting area around the perimeter, but do enter the
enclosure 2
> > >times a day for feeding the fish. I do not think it would be necessary
to
> > >provide any ventilation if the cover is mounted above the pond. If it
is
> > >layed on the surface of the water, then I would leave at least an inch
all
> > >the way around and install airstones. The water will not be able to
have
> > >gas exchange under the cover, and will get fouled.
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected]

June 15th 04, 05:23 PM

p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller. but they
got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and the heater
is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people in warmer
zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune system goes
down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise over 50o until
mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it is VERY VERY
hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic ecosystem, or,
build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:
>What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
>heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
>have 500 gallons in Chicago.
>
>It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
>keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
>of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
>them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
>find them in the winter in Chicago.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

June 15th 04, 10:37 PM

70 degrees in the winter? You must be in a fairly warm climate. That
seems a little warm.

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message news:<IQrzc.36242$eu.27831@attbi_s02>...
> I use the Quick Plug QP20T from Aquatic Eco. I have two of them in my 4000
> gallon pond and one in my 2500 gallon pond and am able to keep my ponds near
> 70 degrees. They really don't start doing any heating to speak of until
> January and by the first of March, the sun is high enough to provide pretty
> good solar heat. If the only purpose is to keep the pond from freezing
> over, I don't know if you would need a heater at all, as long as it is
> covered with a lean-to or igloo structure to keep the cold, chilling wind
> away from the water, and allow the natural heat of the soil to be captured
> without evaporative losses.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> "MC" > wrote in message
> om...
> > What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
> > heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> > have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> >
> > It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> > keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
> > of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
> > them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> > find them in the winter in Chicago.
> >
> > wrote in message
> >...
> > > I am in Milwaukee, zone 5 and I cover my pond with plain dispo plastic
> altho I too
> > > make a lean too above the pond.
> > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/winters/winter.htm
> > > this last year I put in a 500 watt heater for 1600 gallons and it kept
> the water 50o
> > > or better for all but one month. meaning I could feed the fish lightly
> and their
> > > immune system was down only about a month. I have a big 12" airstone
> blowing air
> > > into the pond all winter. the air pump is in my garage.
> > > Ingrid
> > >
> > > "RichToyBox" > wrote:
> > >
> > > >My pond is covered and heated during the winter. The cover is a
> lean-to
> > > >with 3 layers of poly sheeting and one layer of the pool solar cover.
> I do
> > > >not leave a venting area around the perimeter, but do enter the
> enclosure 2
> > > >times a day for feeding the fish. I do not think it would be necessary
> to
> > > >provide any ventilation if the cover is mounted above the pond. If it
> is
> > > >layed on the surface of the water, then I would leave at least an inch
> all
> > > >the way around and install airstones. The water will not be able to
> have
> > > >gas exchange under the cover, and will get fouled.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > > www.drsolo.com
> > > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > > endorsements or recommendations I make.

RichToyBox

June 16th 04, 01:54 AM

Zone 7 a/b Richmond Virginia. The cover has had about 1 foot of snow
covering it, or ice covering it, but inside, it is like a sauna. The fish
are fed twice a day during the winter and four times a day during the
summer. It is nice to go out and close the door behind you and spend time
with the fish. I have canna bloom all year, taro growing so big that I have
to divide it twice a year, and except for this winter, have been able to
keep hyacinths and lettuce all winter.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"MC" > wrote in message
om...
> 70 degrees in the winter? You must be in a fairly warm climate. That
> seems a little warm.
>
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:<IQrzc.36242$eu.27831@attbi_s02>...
> > I use the Quick Plug QP20T from Aquatic Eco. I have two of them in my
4000
> > gallon pond and one in my 2500 gallon pond and am able to keep my ponds
near
> > 70 degrees. They really don't start doing any heating to speak of until
> > January and by the first of March, the sun is high enough to provide
pretty
> > good solar heat. If the only purpose is to keep the pond from freezing
> > over, I don't know if you would need a heater at all, as long as it is
> > covered with a lean-to or igloo structure to keep the cold, chilling
wind
> > away from the water, and allow the natural heat of the soil to be
captured
> > without evaporative losses.
> > --
> > RichToyBox
> > http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> > "MC" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
> > > heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> > > have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> > >
> > > It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> > > keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
> > > of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
> > > them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> > > find them in the winter in Chicago.
> > >
> > > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > > I am in Milwaukee, zone 5 and I cover my pond with plain dispo
plastic
> > altho I too
> > > > make a lean too above the pond.
> > > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/winters/winter.htm
> > > > this last year I put in a 500 watt heater for 1600 gallons and it
kept
> > the water 50o
> > > > or better for all but one month. meaning I could feed the fish
lightly
> > and their
> > > > immune system was down only about a month. I have a big 12"
airstone
> > blowing air
> > > > into the pond all winter. the air pump is in my garage.
> > > > Ingrid
> > > >
> > > > "RichToyBox" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >My pond is covered and heated during the winter. The cover is a
> > lean-to
> > > > >with 3 layers of poly sheeting and one layer of the pool solar
cover.
> > I do
> > > > >not leave a venting area around the perimeter, but do enter the
> > enclosure 2
> > > > >times a day for feeding the fish. I do not think it would be
necessary
> > to
> > > > >provide any ventilation if the cover is mounted above the pond. If
it
> > is
> > > > >layed on the surface of the water, then I would leave at least an
inch
> > all
> > > > >the way around and install airstones. The water will not be able
to
> > have
> > > > >gas exchange under the cover, and will get fouled.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > > > www.drsolo.com
> > > > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > > > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > > > endorsements or recommendations I make.

Nedra

June 16th 04, 09:41 PM

Drat!! I wish I hadn't read about your tropical wintertime pond, Rich :)
~~ sweltering here in the June heat but still remember how awfully cold
my pond is in January... <sigh>

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:gTMzc.28225$Hg2.9035@attbi_s04...
> Zone 7 a/b Richmond Virginia. The cover has had about 1 foot of snow
> covering it, or ice covering it, but inside, it is like a sauna. The fish
> are fed twice a day during the winter and four times a day during the
> summer. It is nice to go out and close the door behind you and spend time
> with the fish. I have canna bloom all year, taro growing so big that I
have
> to divide it twice a year, and except for this winter, have been able to
> keep hyacinths and lettuce all winter.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> "MC" > wrote in message
> om...
> > 70 degrees in the winter? You must be in a fairly warm climate. That
> > seems a little warm.
> >
> >
> > "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> news:<IQrzc.36242$eu.27831@attbi_s02>...
> > > I use the Quick Plug QP20T from Aquatic Eco. I have two of them in my
> 4000
> > > gallon pond and one in my 2500 gallon pond and am able to keep my
ponds
> near
> > > 70 degrees. They really don't start doing any heating to speak of
until
> > > January and by the first of March, the sun is high enough to provide
> pretty
> > > good solar heat. If the only purpose is to keep the pond from
freezing
> > > over, I don't know if you would need a heater at all, as long as it is
> > > covered with a lean-to or igloo structure to keep the cold, chilling
> wind
> > > away from the water, and allow the natural heat of the soil to be
> captured
> > > without evaporative losses.
> > > --
> > > RichToyBox
> > > http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> > > "MC" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > > What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using
trough
> > > > heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> > > > have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> > > >
> > > > It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> > > > keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now
kind
> > > > of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to
bring
> > > > them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> > > > find them in the winter in Chicago.
> > > >
> > > > wrote in message
> > > >...
> > > > > I am in Milwaukee, zone 5 and I cover my pond with plain dispo
> plastic
> > > altho I too
> > > > > make a lean too above the pond.
> > > > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/winters/winter.htm
> > > > > this last year I put in a 500 watt heater for 1600 gallons and it
> kept
> > > the water 50o
> > > > > or better for all but one month. meaning I could feed the fish
> lightly
> > > and their
> > > > > immune system was down only about a month. I have a big 12"
> airstone
> > > blowing air
> > > > > into the pond all winter. the air pump is in my garage.
> > > > > Ingrid
> > > > >
> > > > > "RichToyBox" > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >My pond is covered and heated during the winter. The cover is a
> > > lean-to
> > > > > >with 3 layers of poly sheeting and one layer of the pool solar
> cover.
> > > I do
> > > > > >not leave a venting area around the perimeter, but do enter the
> > > enclosure 2
> > > > > >times a day for feeding the fish. I do not think it would be
> necessary
> > > to
> > > > > >provide any ventilation if the cover is mounted above the pond.
If
> it
> > > is
> > > > > >layed on the surface of the water, then I would leave at least an
> inch
> > > all
> > > > > >the way around and install airstones. The water will not be able
> to
> > > have
> > > > > >gas exchange under the cover, and will get fouled.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > > > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > > > > www.drsolo.com
> > > > > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > > > > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > > > > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
>

dkat

June 17th 04, 02:30 AM

I'm responding to the Subject header (my lovely server only keeps messages
for one day or so)... I was just talking with a woman whose neighbor put in
a very expensive pond with very expensive Koi and then over the winter
covered the pond. When he opened it up that spring all of the Koi were
belly up of course (did a great job of trapping in all of the bad gases and
not letting in any oxygen). Just wanted to remind any newbies that fish
need oxygen no matter what the season. I have never known of anyone to put
a cover on a pond period but if you do I assume there must be some type of
venting and oxygenating system for it. For keeping a hole in the ice I used
to use a water heater that you use for outdoor dogs or horses water buckets.
I now use an air stone which I like better since I like the down time of
winter when everything is dormant.

> wrote in message
...
> p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller.
but they
> got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and
the heater
> is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people
in warmer
> zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune
system goes
> down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise
over 50o until
> mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it
is VERY VERY
> hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic
ecosystem, or,
> build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon.
Ingrid
>
> (MC) wrote:
> >What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
> >heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> >have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> >
> >It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> >keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
> >of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
> >them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> >find them in the winter in Chicago.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

June 17th 04, 10:16 PM

The price range seems to run the gambit- 500W from $40 to $500+.

As I understand it, roughly each Watt will raise 1 gallon of water 10
degrees. So if my cover keeps my 500 gallon pond at a minimum of 40
degrees, a 500W heater will raise it to 50 degrees.

wrote in message >...
> p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller. but they
> got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and the heater
> is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people in warmer
> zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune system goes
> down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise over 50o until
> mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it is VERY VERY
> hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic ecosystem, or,
> build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon. Ingrid
>
> (MC) wrote:
> >What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
> >heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> >have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> >
> >It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> >keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
> >of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
> >them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> >find them in the winter in Chicago.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

RichToyBox

June 18th 04, 01:33 AM

You may be surprised at the temperature of the pond from 500 watt heater.
First if the pond is protected from evaporation and allowed some solar heat,
it will supply heat to the soil, until it drops to about 55 degrees, and
then it starts being heated by the natural ground temperature, which is a
fairly constant 55 degrees. So the heater should be raising the temperature
from the 55 degree level, and all of your heat losses should be through the
cover.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"MC" > wrote in message
om...
> The price range seems to run the gambit- 500W from $40 to $500+.
>
> As I understand it, roughly each Watt will raise 1 gallon of water 10
> degrees. So if my cover keeps my 500 gallon pond at a minimum of 40
> degrees, a 500W heater will raise it to 50 degrees.
>
>
> wrote in message
>...
> > p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the
controller. but they
> > got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and
the heater
> > is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people
in warmer
> > zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune
system goes
> > down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise
over 50o until
> > mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it
is VERY VERY
> > hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic
ecosystem, or,
> > build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon.
Ingrid
> >
> > (MC) wrote:
> > >What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
> > >heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> > >have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> > >
> > >It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> > >keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
> > >of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
> > >them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> > >find them in the winter in Chicago.
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.

June 18th 04, 09:05 PM

I believe the frostline in Chicago is 36" meaning that the ground
freezes up to 36 below ground. In zone 7 I could see the ground
staying 55 degrees, but not here.

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message news:<vLqAc.47756$Hg2.30050@attbi_s04>...
> You may be surprised at the temperature of the pond from 500 watt heater.
> First if the pond is protected from evaporation and allowed some solar heat,
> it will supply heat to the soil, until it drops to about 55 degrees, and
> then it starts being heated by the natural ground temperature, which is a
> fairly constant 55 degrees. So the heater should be raising the temperature
> from the 55 degree level, and all of your heat losses should be through the
> cover.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> "MC" > wrote in message
> om...
> > The price range seems to run the gambit- 500W from $40 to $500+.
> >
> > As I understand it, roughly each Watt will raise 1 gallon of water 10
> > degrees. So if my cover keeps my 500 gallon pond at a minimum of 40
> > degrees, a 500W heater will raise it to 50 degrees.
> >
> >
> > wrote in message
> >...
> > > p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the
> controller. but they
> > > got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and
> the heater
> > > is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people
> in warmer
> > > zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune
> system goes
> > > down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise
> over 50o until
> > > mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it
> is VERY VERY
> > > hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic
> ecosystem, or,
> > > build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon.
> Ingrid
> > >
> > > (MC) wrote:
> > > >What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
> > > >heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> > > >have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> > > >
> > > >It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> > > >keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
> > > >of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
> > > >them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> > > >find them in the winter in Chicago.
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > > www.drsolo.com
> > > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > > endorsements or recommendations I make.

RichToyBox

June 19th 04, 01:18 AM

The frost line is outside where the soil is exposed. Crawl spaces under
houses don't freeze. I suspect that if the pond is kept covered, the soil
under the pond would not cool significantly below the 55 degrees. The soil
around the sides would develop frost, but the pond would be heating the
soil. If the cover extends a couple of feet from the pond edge, then the
heat transfer would be slow.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"MC" > wrote in message
om...
> I believe the frostline in Chicago is 36" meaning that the ground
> freezes up to 36 below ground. In zone 7 I could see the ground
> staying 55 degrees, but not here.
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:<vLqAc.47756$Hg2.30050@attbi_s04>...
> > You may be surprised at the temperature of the pond from 500 watt
heater.
> > First if the pond is protected from evaporation and allowed some solar
heat,
> > it will supply heat to the soil, until it drops to about 55 degrees, and
> > then it starts being heated by the natural ground temperature, which is
a
> > fairly constant 55 degrees. So the heater should be raising the
temperature
> > from the 55 degree level, and all of your heat losses should be through
the
> > cover.
> > --
> > RichToyBox
> > http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> > "MC" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > The price range seems to run the gambit- 500W from $40 to $500+.
> > >
> > > As I understand it, roughly each Watt will raise 1 gallon of water 10
> > > degrees. So if my cover keeps my 500 gallon pond at a minimum of 40
> > > degrees, a 500W heater will raise it to 50 degrees.
> > >
> > >
> > > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > > p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the
> > controller. but they
> > > > got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe
and
> > the heater
> > > > is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down.
people
> > in warmer
> > > > zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's
immune
> > system goes
> > > > down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt
rise
> > over 50o until
> > > > mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food.
it
> > is VERY VERY
> > > > hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic
> > ecosystem, or,
> > > > build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon.
> > Ingrid
> > > >
> > > > (MC) wrote:
> > > > >What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using
trough
> > > > >heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> > > > >have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> > > > >
> > > > >It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> > > > >keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now
kind
> > > > >of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to
bring
> > > > >them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> > > > >find them in the winter in Chicago.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > > > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > > > www.drsolo.com
> > > > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > > > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > > > endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected]

June 20th 04, 04:11 PM

I am in zone 5, Milwaukee north of you and to keep the pond clear of ice all winter
is cover it with a plastic lean to and run an airstone and/or a pump. The freezing
does not actually get that deep. That is how deep it has been recorded, probably
during the "little ice age" and no snow cover or out in the middle of a farmers
field. this is the depth used for burying people so their coffins dont get heaved
out of the ground by frost.
all summer long my pond heats the surrounding soil. the 1.5 feet sticks up out of
the ground is insulated.
in any case, 500 watts did 1600 gallons kept water at or above 50o all but one month
this last winter. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:
>I believe the frostline in Chicago is 36" meaning that the ground
>freezes up to 36 below ground. In zone 7 I could see the ground
>staying 55 degrees, but not here.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

June 21st 04, 10:58 PM

What are the pros and cons of lean to versus a solar type surface cover?

wrote in message >...
> I am in zone 5, Milwaukee north of you and to keep the pond clear of ice all winter
> is cover it with a plastic lean to and run an airstone and/or a pump. The freezing
> does not actually get that deep. That is how deep it has been recorded, probably
> during the "little ice age" and no snow cover or out in the middle of a farmers
> field. this is the depth used for burying people so their coffins dont get heaved
> out of the ground by frost.
> all summer long my pond heats the surrounding soil. the 1.5 feet sticks up out of
> the ground is insulated.
> in any case, 500 watts did 1600 gallons kept water at or above 50o all but one month
> this last winter. Ingrid
>
> (MC) wrote:
> >I believe the frostline in Chicago is 36" meaning that the ground
> >freezes up to 36 below ground. In zone 7 I could see the ground
> >staying 55 degrees, but not here.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

RichToyBox

June 22nd 04, 02:25 AM

A solar cover laid on the surface of the water interfers with the gas
exchange, toxics out, oxygen in. With the lean-to or a domed structure, gas
exchange is the same as without a cover. The solar cover has a relative R
value for heat to cross from the water to the cold outside air. The lean-to
structure has a lot of dead air, which is a pretty good insulator, between
the water and the outside. My lean-to is covered with 2 layers of poly
sheeting and 1 layer of the solar cover, so my R value from warm air over
pond to cold outside air is higher than just solar cover. Plants do not
have to be removed from the pond if covered with lean-to structure, and I
keep tropical plants over the winter with blooms on tropical lilies until
late January, cannas bloom all winter, taro blooms during the winter. Since
a solar cover is designed for direct water contact, all of these plants
would have to go.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"MC" > wrote in message
om...
> What are the pros and cons of lean to versus a solar type surface cover?
>
> wrote in message
>...
> > I am in zone 5, Milwaukee north of you and to keep the pond clear of ice
all winter
> > is cover it with a plastic lean to and run an airstone and/or a pump.
The freezing
> > does not actually get that deep. That is how deep it has been recorded,
probably
> > during the "little ice age" and no snow cover or out in the middle of a
farmers
> > field. this is the depth used for burying people so their coffins dont
get heaved
> > out of the ground by frost.
> > all summer long my pond heats the surrounding soil. the 1.5 feet sticks
up out of
> > the ground is insulated.
> > in any case, 500 watts did 1600 gallons kept water at or above 50o all
but one month
> > this last winter. Ingrid
> >
> > (MC) wrote:
> > >I believe the frostline in Chicago is 36" meaning that the ground
> > >freezes up to 36 below ground. In zone 7 I could see the ground
> > >staying 55 degrees, but not here.
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.

John Bachman

June 22nd 04, 11:41 AM

On 21 Jun 2004 14:58:39 -0700, (MC) wrote:

>What are the pros and cons of lean to versus a solar type surface cover?
>
wrote in message >...
>> I am in zone 5, Milwaukee north of you and to keep the pond clear of ice all winter
>> is cover it with a plastic lean to and run an airstone and/or a pump. The freezing
>> does not actually get that deep. That is how deep it has been recorded, probably
>> during the "little ice age" and no snow cover or out in the middle of a farmers
>> field. this is the depth used for burying people so their coffins dont get heaved
>> out of the ground by frost.
>> all summer long my pond heats the surrounding soil. the 1.5 feet sticks up out of
>> the ground is insulated.
>> in any case, 500 watts did 1600 gallons kept water at or above 50o all but one month
>> this last winter. Ingrid
>>
>> (MC) wrote:
>> >I believe the frostline in Chicago is 36" meaning that the ground
>> >freezes up to 36 below ground. In zone 7 I could see the ground
>> >staying 55 degrees, but not here.
>>

Ice thickness is not the same as frozen ground because the water can
move. Warm water from the bottom (yes, it is warmer there) circulates
to the top. The soil cannot do that so the frost goes deeper and
deeper.

I live in zone 5 and this past winter was the coldest in 30 years.
Ground frost was 4 feet deep in exposed areas. My 3 feet deep pond
had a maximum of 18 inches of ice on it.

John

July 8th 04, 05:16 PM

I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
keep it from burning the liner?

wrote in message >...
> p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller. but they
> got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and the heater
> is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people in warmer
> zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune system goes
> down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise over 50o until
> mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it is VERY VERY
> hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic ecosystem, or,
> build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon. Ingrid
>
> (MC) wrote:
> >What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
> >heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
> >have 500 gallons in Chicago.
> >
> >It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
> >keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
> >of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
> >them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
> >find them in the winter in Chicago.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

John Bachman

July 8th 04, 09:58 PM

On 8 Jul 2004 09:16:19 -0700, (MC) wrote:

>I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
>brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
>think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
>keep it from burning the liner?
>
wrote in message >...
>> p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller. but they
>> got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and the heater
>> is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people in warmer
>> zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune system goes
>> down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise over 50o until
>> mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it is VERY VERY
>> hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic ecosystem, or,
>> build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon. Ingrid
>>
>> (MC) wrote:
>> >What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
>> >heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
>> >have 500 gallons in Chicago.
>> >
>> >It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
>> >keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
>> >of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
>> >them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
>> >find them in the winter in Chicago.
>

I do not know your situation but I am in New Hampshire. Last winter
was one of the worst on record for low temps and high winds. My pond
is 40" deep. I kept a bubbler going (had to break ice open a few
times) and that was it. We started the winter with 1 koi, 3 goldfish
and 8 goldfish fry. We lost only 2 of the fry.

John

[email protected]

July 10th 04, 03:22 PM

uncovered glass wouldnt survive in a pond with koi I dont think. the one I got has a
cage around it. the 500w is VT500 ($44) and the controller is VT500T ($30)

the JH500 titanium heater could be hung from something to prevent it from hitting the
liner. or, hung in a bucket. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:

>I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
>brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
>think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
>keep it from burning the liner?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

July 15th 04, 05:28 PM

Thanks for the model info. I notice the controller works from 20-34C.
20C is 68F, so does that mean it is always on in the winter since I
doubt your pond reaches 68 in WI?

wrote in message >...
> uncovered glass wouldnt survive in a pond with koi I dont think. the one I got has a
> cage around it. the 500w is VT500 ($44) and the controller is VT500T ($30)
>
> the JH500 titanium heater could be hung from something to prevent it from hitting the
> liner. or, hung in a bucket. Ingrid
>
> (MC) wrote:
>
> >I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
> >brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
> >think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
> >keep it from burning the liner?
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

Crashj

July 16th 04, 04:55 AM

"dkat" > wrote in message >...
> I'm responding to the Subject header
<>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller.
<>
> > (MC) wrote:
> > >What kind of heater are you using?
<>
Strange, your newreader managed to quote the previous artcle. Hmm. I
suspect it is more a matter of your newsreader software settings than
your news service. As you may be able to tell I use google groups for
posting. That way I can post from home or work and not have to do odd
things with my newsreader. And the posts will be there forever.
"For certain values of forever"
--
Crashj

[email protected]

July 16th 04, 07:06 PM

uhhh.. really? I guess so. Just looked at it. had it turned to 22oC. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:

>Thanks for the model info. I notice the controller works from 20-34C.
>20C is 68F, so does that mean it is always on in the winter since I
>doubt your pond reaches 68 in WI?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

July 16th 04, 10:05 PM

I was also wondering, if you need a 500W heater, does it make more
sense to buy 2 250W heaters? Then, if one goes out, you at least have
some heat. It seems like that would maybe be safer.

(MC) wrote in message >...
> Thanks for the model info. I notice the controller works from 20-34C.
> 20C is 68F, so does that mean it is always on in the winter since I
> doubt your pond reaches 68 in WI?
>
> wrote in message >...
> > uncovered glass wouldnt survive in a pond with koi I dont think. the one I got has a
> > cage around it. the 500w is VT500 ($44) and the controller is VT500T ($30)
> >
> > the JH500 titanium heater could be hung from something to prevent it from hitting the
> > liner. or, hung in a bucket. Ingrid
> >
> > (MC) wrote:
> >
> > >I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
> > >brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
> > >think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
> > >keep it from burning the liner?
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected]

July 17th 04, 02:42 PM

sure. it is recommended for aquariums to use a couple small ones so if one goes
whacko it cant boil the fish. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:

>I was also wondering, if you need a 500W heater, does it make more
>sense to buy 2 250W heaters? Then, if one goes out, you at least have
>some heat. It seems like that would maybe be safer.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected]

August 10th 04, 10:06 PM

Michael,
You could check out the wholesale to the public website
www.bestpondstuff.com
for wholesale prices on pond covers and heaters.
www.backyard-lifestyle.com is another valuable place to look.
Norman

On 8 Jul 2004 09:16:19 -0700, (MC) wrote:

>I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
>brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
>think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
>keep it from burning the liner?
>
wrote in message >...
>> p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller. but they
>> got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and the heater
>> is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people in warmer
>> zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune system goes
>> down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise over 50o until
>> mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it is VERY VERY
>> hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic ecosystem, or,
>> build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon. Ingrid
>>
>> (MC) wrote:
>> >What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
>> >heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
>> >have 500 gallons in Chicago.
>> >
>> >It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
>> >keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
>> >of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
>> >them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
>> >find them in the winter in Chicago.
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>> www.drsolo.com
>> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>> endorsements or recommendations I make.