Re: OT letter to terrorists

[George]

"KenCo" > wrote in message
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>
> saw this on another group.

As interesting as this may be to you, I see no reason to post it in a newsgroup
about garden ponds. Please refrain from posting such irrelevant material here
in the future. Thanks.

[Happy'Cam'per]

Relax Grumpy George, you're too frustrated, you need to get a good Tuber
splitting soon :)

--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**


" George" > wrote in message
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>
> "KenCo" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > saw this on another group.
>
> As interesting as this may be to you, I see no reason to post it in a
newsgroup
> about garden ponds. Please refrain from posting such irrelevant material
here
> in the future. Thanks.
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

" George" > wrote in message
...
>
> "KenCo" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > saw this on another group.
>
> As interesting as this may be to you, I see no reason to post it in a
newsgroup
> about garden ponds. Please refrain from posting such irrelevant material
here
> in the future. Thanks.

George I would tend to agree with you in most any other group, but in
rec.ponds we kind of have an unwritten rule that prefixing a post with OT:
gives you some freedom. There are a few people here that have been around
since Noah asked for help in designing his pond, and for that, we cut them
slack for OT posts. That is the reason for the OT: prefix.

BV.

P.S. In case you didn't know...Noah lined his pond with permalon bought at
kencofish.com.

[SVTKate]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
*snipped**
|
| P.S. In case you didn't know...Noah lined his pond with permalon bought at
| kencofish.com.
|
|


FOFLMAO!!!!

Kate

[George]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> " George" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "KenCo" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > saw this on another group.
>>
>> As interesting as this may be to you, I see no reason to post it in a
> newsgroup
>> about garden ponds. Please refrain from posting such irrelevant material
> here
>> in the future. Thanks.
>
> George I would tend to agree with you in most any other group, but in
> rec.ponds we kind of have an unwritten rule that prefixing a post with OT:
> gives you some freedom. There are a few people here that have been around
> since Noah asked for help in designing his pond, and for that, we cut them
> slack for OT posts. That is the reason for the OT: prefix.
>
> BV.
>
> P.S. In case you didn't know...Noah lined his pond with permalon bought at
> kencofish.com.
>

Sorry. It is just that I see these posts all over the usenet, and it would be
nice to be able to read from a newsgroup that doesn't include such politics for
a change.

[Nedra]

So, skip them if you don't want to read them!

Nedra

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" George" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > " George" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "KenCo" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > saw this on another group.
> >>
> >> As interesting as this may be to you, I see no reason to post it in a
> > newsgroup
> >> about garden ponds. Please refrain from posting such irrelevant
material
> > here
> >> in the future. Thanks.
> >
> > George I would tend to agree with you in most any other group, but in
> > rec.ponds we kind of have an unwritten rule that prefixing a post with
OT:
> > gives you some freedom. There are a few people here that have been
around
> > since Noah asked for help in designing his pond, and for that, we cut
them
> > slack for OT posts. That is the reason for the OT: prefix.
> >
> > BV.
> >
> > P.S. In case you didn't know...Noah lined his pond with permalon bought
at
> > kencofish.com.
> >
>
> Sorry. It is just that I see these posts all over the usenet, and it
would be
> nice to be able to read from a newsgroup that doesn't include such
politics for
> a change.
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

" George" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> Sorry. It is just that I see these posts all over the usenet, and it
would be
> nice to be able to read from a newsgroup that doesn't include such
politics for
> a change.
<snip>

I agree fully, which is why we are pretty good about always prefixing such
posts with OT:. Seems they are always either bad jokes, or political
threads. LOL.

BV.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:16:21 -0400, " George" > wrote:

>Sorry. It is just that I see these posts all over the usenet, and it would be
>nice to be able to read from a newsgroup that doesn't include such politics for
>a change.
>
Well some of us only have time to read one newsgroup, not bounce all over
usenet, so I would only see something like this here.... so it was
interesting to me. Only problem I see is Ingrid's willingness to jump on
her soapbox. But I respect her right to do so. Porg Power Flow On!
;o) ~ jan


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[THE Old Man]

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:14:20 GMT, wrote:

>I agree. Bring our babies back home. I want to make sure that each and every one
>gets all the health care they need, all the education they want and all the job help
>they need and long term care for all that need it for however long they need it. I
>dont want any of these kids sliding thru the cracks of bureaucracy and ending up
>homeless like so many did when they got back from Viet Nam.
>Ingrid

Yep! Bring 'em all back home today. Let the "insurgents" (nice name
for terrorists) have their way. Then lets all get a copy of the Koran
and prepare to convert to their islamic bs. And, you women get out
the material for the burqas, learn to walk a few steps behind the men,
don't expect to go to Walmart or anywhere without a male to accompany
you. Forget about medical care except by a female doctor, IF THEY ARE
ALLOWED. And, by the way, converting to their fraternity won't make a
lot of difference ... see the latest captive, a Marine who is a muslim
and from the Mid-east. And the Kurds and other thousands of muslims
who were murdered by ... muslims. How about all the wonderful things
in Afghanistan by the Taliban. Somalia? Sudan? Oh, yeh. Let's
bring 'em back today as we KNOW that the muslims only target the
military ... ooops! Forgot the bombing in Paris, the airliners, the
hijacked ship where they shot and pushed overboard a man in his wheel
chair. He was probably a Marine in disguise.

I'm not sure how someone determined you are from France but if that is
so then THE STARS AND STRIPES FOREVER wouldn't mean anything to you.

These are rants from an old man who has seen so much BS from a certain
segment of the world, USA and other countries, and what has happened
when appeasement of the blood thirsty dictators was tried.

[Grubber]

"THE Old Man" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:14:20 GMT, wrote:
>
> >I agree. Bring our babies back home. I want to make sure that each and
every one
> >gets all the health care they need, all the education they want and all
the job help
> >they need and long term care for all that need it for however long they
need it. I
> >dont want any of these kids sliding thru the cracks of bureaucracy and
ending up
> >homeless like so many did when they got back from Viet Nam.
> >Ingrid
>
> Yep! Bring 'em all back home today. Let the "insurgents" (nice name
> for terrorists) have their way. Then lets all get a copy of the Koran
> and prepare to convert to their islamic bs. And, you women get out
> the material for the burqas, learn to walk a few steps behind the men,
> don't expect to go to Walmart or anywhere without a male to accompany
> you. Forget about medical care except by a female doctor, IF THEY ARE
> ALLOWED. And, by the way, converting to their fraternity won't make a
> lot of difference ... see the latest captive, a Marine who is a muslim
> and from the Mid-east. And the Kurds and other thousands of muslims
> who were murdered by ... muslims. How about all the wonderful things
> in Afghanistan by the Taliban. Somalia? Sudan? Oh, yeh. Let's
> bring 'em back today as we KNOW that the muslims only target the
> military ... ooops! Forgot the bombing in Paris, the airliners, the
> hijacked ship where they shot and pushed overboard a man in his wheel
> chair. He was probably a Marine in disguise.
>
> I'm not sure how someone determined you are from France but if that is
> so then THE STARS AND STRIPES FOREVER wouldn't mean anything to you.
>
> These are rants from an old man who has seen so much BS from a certain
> segment of the world, USA and other countries, and what has happened
> when appeasement of the blood thirsty dictators was tried.
>
>
>

It's too late

[THE Old Man]

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:21:03 GMT, wrote:


>So stuff this crap where the sun dont shine. you wanna post this **** to the list I
>am not gonna let it slide. I want to make sure people from other countries know that
>at least some of its citizens arent blithering idiots.
>Ingrid
>

Too late, old Doc. Your blithering commentary has removed all doubts.
It only proved that we do have them. And your statement: "So stuff
this crap where the sun dont shine. you wanna post this **** to the
list ..." is a pure case of a weak mind attempting to express itself.

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I only respond, I dont start these threads on this newsgroup. Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
Only problem I see is Ingrid's willingness to jump on
>her soapbox. But I respect her right to do so.


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[Benign Vanilla]

"Hank" > wrote in message
...
> At least we all seem to agree on Fonda! God Bless America and the
> right to make statements like this and not be hunted down. We are not
> a perfect country but we are the best. Hank
<snip>

She WAS cute in Barbarella, wasn't she?

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
s.com...
> >On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:16:21 -0400, " George" > wrote:
>
> >Sorry. It is just that I see these posts all over the usenet, and it
would be
> >nice to be able to read from a newsgroup that doesn't include such
politics for
> >a change.
> >
> Well some of us only have time to read one newsgroup, not bounce all over
> usenet, so I would only see something like this here.... so it was
> interesting to me. Only problem I see is Ingrid's willingness to jump on
> her soapbox. But I respect her right to do so. Porg Power Flow On!
> ;o) ~ jan

I concur fully. Unless she says we should just salt the middle east. :)
Sorry, Ingrid I could not resist.

BV.

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he had em, Israel bombed the nuclear plant. they are gone, been gone, arent there
anymore, havent been there for a while.
all wars are economic. everything else is window dressing and excuses for going to
war. Ingrid

"tim chandler" > wrote:
>Wow, I am amazed! So you admit that Clinton & his administration, France,
>Germany, the UN, they all LIED TO US about WMDs when they all said that
>Saddam had them, because there weren't any!


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[tim chandler]

They just found more enriched uranium, and removed it. Enriched uranium is
used only for bombs.

"all wars are economic" - a rather sweeping generalization. I'm not sure I
understand why genocide - such as has happened in Nazi Germany, in the
Ukraine, Cambodia, Rwanda as well as with the Kurds, Bosnia, and too many
elsewheres - is economic.

> wrote in message
...
> he had em, Israel bombed the nuclear plant. they are gone, been gone,
arent there
> anymore, havent been there for a while.
> all wars are economic. everything else is window dressing and excuses for
going to
> war. Ingrid
>
> "tim chandler" > wrote:
> >Wow, I am amazed! So you admit that Clinton & his administration,
France,
> >Germany, the UN, they all LIED TO US about WMDs when they all said that
> >Saddam had them, because there weren't any!
>
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[Ka30P]

Political threads always make my teeth itch,
like politicians do, so I try to stay out of them ;-)

Jan wrote >> He picked up 150 water
bottles<<

But that said, I sure do miss the days when Jan's only
worries about her DS were if he kept his room
cleaned up. Oh, and then there was homework and high school and driving and
girls and...

Hope he, and all the people over there, come home
safely.


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[San Diego Joe]

"PlainBill" wrote:

> Frankly, neither your arguments nor your son impress me.

Come on, that's just a little nasty. If you want to debate, fine, but I
don't see that comment moving along an open dialogue.



San Diego Joe
4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar.



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[Ka30P]

Hey Plain Bill,
you're being just Plain Mean!

[J.D. Stone]

<snip>
"PlainBill" > wrote in message
...
>

> Frankly, neither your arguments nor your son impress me.
>
> PlainBill
>

Malign Jan's son? If you had an audience, You most likely don't now. Bad
form. Tsk.
JD

[THE Old Man]

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:44:20 -0700, PlainBill >
wrote:


>Well, as another old MAN, I find your attitude disgusting. It's the
>sabre rattling nitwits like you that get us into this trouble.

Now I'm a sabre rattling nitwit. It is interesting that when some
feel that someone has a different opinion they resort to name calling.
I am not sorry that you find my attitude disgusting. As a fact, I
find it refreshing that you do.
>
>PlainBill

Now I resort ... is that PlainBill or PlainBULL?

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I sit by my pond all the time and the wasps come in for a drink and leave .... if you
leave wasps alone they leave you alone. wasps serve and extremely important function
in keeping pest levels down. Ingrid

>> When you've got a wasps' nest, and the wasps won't leave you alone but
>keep
>> stinging you, you get rid of them.


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all owned and operated by big corporate interests for corporate interests.
All this other "liberal press" is a lot of propaganda by the right wing figuring if
you say it often enough, say it loud enough people will buy any big lie.
You want to hear REAL liberal media tune in to Air America Radio. That is liberal!!!
Ingrid

"tim chandler" > wrote:
>As far as getting news from Fox, they *are* the less biased source - anyone
>who thinks that PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS, NY Times, Wash Post, LA Times, etc. etc.
>are objective and unbiased and balanced, is really living in a
>mainstream-media controlled dreamworld.


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[tim chandler]

I guess I didn't make myself clear - the terrorists are like wasps, in that
they will sting us. To death, if we let them. They are unlike wasps, in
that they don't believe in "live and let live". If you leave them alone,
they will NOT leave you alone! I guess I sorta thought that would be
obvious to anyone capable of observation and critical thought.

And since you brought it up, I don't know what sort of "extremely important
funtion" the terrorists perform, or what "pest' levels they help keep down.
Most people would not assign that sort of role to terrorists. Unlike wasps,
terrorists need to be wiped out.

Tim C.

> wrote in message
...
> I sit by my pond all the time and the wasps come in for a drink and leave
..... if you
> leave wasps alone they leave you alone. wasps serve and extremely
important function
> in keeping pest levels down. Ingrid
>
> >> When you've got a wasps' nest, and the wasps won't leave you alone but
> >keep
> >> stinging you, you get rid of them.
>
>
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[PlainBill]

Too bad. I saw him acting in a childish manner, and called it as I
saw it.

PlainBill

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:52:33 -0500, "J.D. Stone" >
wrote:

><snip>
>"PlainBill" > wrote in message
...
>>
>
>> Frankly, neither your arguments nor your son impress me.
>>
>> PlainBill
>>
>
>Malign Jan's son? If you had an audience, You most likely don't now. Bad
>form. Tsk.
>JD
>

[PlainBill]

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:52:01 -0500, THE Old Man
> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:44:20 -0700, PlainBill >
>wrote:
>
>
>>Well, as another old MAN, I find your attitude disgusting. It's the
>>sabre rattling nitwits like you that get us into this trouble.
>
>Now I'm a sabre rattling nitwit. It is interesting that when some
>feel that someone has a different opinion they resort to name calling.
>I am not sorry that you find my attitude disgusting. As a fact, I
>find it refreshing that you do.
>>
>>PlainBill
>
>Now I resort ... is that PlainBill or PlainBULL?
>
>
Who'd doing the name calling?

PlainBill

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wasps dont normally sting people to death. only somebody with a severe allergy is
likely to have a reaction that could lead to death. now the africanized "killer"
bees have been know to sting a human or animal to death. Ingrid

"tim chandler" > wrote:
>I guess I didn't make myself clear - the terrorists are like wasps, in that
>they will sting us. To death, if we let them.


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[Rhino]

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:50:31 GMT, "Newbie Bill" >
wrote:

>Consider this scenerio - One day there is a knock on your door. There stand
>10 men in black military suits with automatic weapons and foreign accents.
>They tell you they believe you have drugs in your house and that if you dont

snip for brevity

>chances he could convince a majority of the people just in this group, to
>abandon their pre conceived opinions. I suggest in this forum, we keep our
>attention of comparitively simple matters like algae bloom and just how man
>koi can you really put in a 2000 gallon pond with a bead filter and funnel
>our politico/socio/economic views and energy into more appropriate avenues
>and venues.
>Peace
>Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

AMEN

Most of the time I have to bite my tounge when faced with the rhetoric that is
coming from this kind of thread. I have my opinions and am normally willing to
argue with the best of them. I have a military and law enforcement background,
I am christian and I vote. BUT nobody is going to convine anyone that thier
opinion is right or wrong in this forum.

I know I can just skip this thread and concentrate on the reason for this
Newsgroup. But what tears me up is the animosity developing between people in
this group. Will "THE Old Man" and "PlainBill" ever think kindly of one another
in the future. Can they take each others ponding advice because the believe the
other is a fool.

In november vote your opinion, for now let it rest!

>

See My Pond

Follow the Pond Links

"Without the second ammendment, the others are just suggestions."

[Lieutenant Kizhe Katson]

Rhino > wrote in message >...
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:50:31 GMT, "Newbie Bill" >
> wrote:
>
> >Consider this scenerio - One day there is a knock on your door. There stand
> >10 men in black military suits with automatic weapons and foreign accents.
> >They tell you they believe you have drugs in your house and that if you dont
>
> snip for brevity
>
> >chances he could convince a majority of the people just in this group, to
> >abandon their pre conceived opinions. I suggest in this forum, we keep our
> >attention of comparitively simple matters like algae bloom and just how man
> >koi can you really put in a 2000 gallon pond with a bead filter and funnel
> >our politico/socio/economic views and energy into more appropriate avenues
> >and venues.
> >Peace
> >Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
>
> AMEN
>
> Most of the time I have to bite my tounge when faced with the rhetoric that is
> coming from this kind of thread. I have my opinions and am normally willing to
> argue with the best of them. I have a military and law enforcement background,
> I am christian and I vote. BUT nobody is going to convine anyone that thier
> opinion is right or wrong in this forum.

Everyone has opinions -- there's a well-known anatomically-crude
proverb to that effect. The problem is that people are always too
ready to translate their opinions about the world into meta-opinions
about other people, and *their* opinions.

> I know I can just skip this thread and concentrate on the reason for this
> Newsgroup. But what tears me up is the animosity developing between people in
> this group. Will "THE Old Man" and "PlainBill" ever think kindly of one another
> in the future. Can they take each others ponding advice because the believe the
> other is a fool.

What he said. That's why I have a personal rule against participating
in OT political/religious "discussions" in rec.* -- it always leaves
me with such a bad impression of people whom I had otherwise liked and
respected (and I find that bad impression is not always confined to
the side I disagree with).

<sigh> Now if only I had the good sense not to *read* these cesspool
threads either...Gotta get me a real news account, and a reader that
supports thread filtering, just to make it easier to resist
temptation.

(BTW, don't be confused by the handle: I've never been in the military
;-).

> In november vote your opinion, for now let it rest!
>
> >
>
> See My Pond
>
> Follow the Pond Links
>
> "Without the second ammendment, the others are just suggestions."

[[email protected]]

It may help to cross vast unfriendly spaces in rickety crafts, but democracy seems to
be firmly planted all over N and S. Europe. Greece, after all, gave us the "bones"
of democracy. They had to want it the old fashioned way... suffering under dictators
and tyrants. Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
Maybe it takes having one's
>ancestors cross an ocean in wind powered ships to a new land, plus travel
>cross that country in cover wagons to own land, to inherit that burning
>need in one's soul? ~ jan


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[PlainBill]

Ingrid,

I think you hit the nail on the head. Democracy MUST be wanted,
and it must be wanted BAD. It can't be given to a people, at best
conditions may be created where it can flourish.

I consider myself a liberal. As such, Rush Limbaug and others of his
ilk make my blood boil. HOWEVER, the essence of Democracy is Rush
DOES have a right to free speech. As long as a radio station is
willing to allow him air time, he must be allowed to present his
views.

(Note: I sometimes fail to distinguish between a message and the
speaker's right to present that message. I may disagree with the
message and accuse him of fuzzy logic (or outright stupidity), I do
NOT mean to challenge his right to express that message.)

PlainBill

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:04:48 GMT, wrote:

>It may help to cross vast unfriendly spaces in rickety crafts, but democracy seems to
>be firmly planted all over N and S. Europe. Greece, after all, gave us the "bones"
>of democracy. They had to want it the old fashioned way... suffering under dictators
>and tyrants. Ingrid
>
>~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
>Maybe it takes having one's
>>ancestors cross an ocean in wind powered ships to a new land, plus travel
>>cross that country in cover wagons to own land, to inherit that burning
>>need in one's soul? ~ jan
>
>
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[PlainBill]

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:06:09 GMT, Rhino > wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:50:31 GMT, "Newbie Bill" >
>wrote:
>
<SNIP>
>
>I know I can just skip this thread and concentrate on the reason for this
>Newsgroup. But what tears me up is the animosity developing between people in
>this group. Will "THE Old Man" and "PlainBill" ever think kindly of one another
>in the future. Can they take each others ponding advice because the believe the
>other is a fool.
>
>In november vote your opinion, for now let it rest!
>
>>
>
>See My Pond

>Follow the Pond Links
>
>"Without the second ammendment, the others are just suggestions."

Rhino,

I doubt if THE old man and I will ever take each others pond
advice. I've never seen him give any, and I REALLY don't have much to
offer (except on setting fire to a pond).

PlainBill
He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

> I feel it isn't my newsreader.

It wasn't your newsreader, but mine, I was having to go thru Google for
awhile. Regardless, I'll stick with my last comment:

>Quite simply: You took my simple story-comparison out of context and gave
>it a negative spin. Rather than play nice and ask for a clarification you
>made a judgment instead.

You apologize for doing that, I'll apologize for questioning your support
of military personnel, that was written out of irritation from what
happened above. ~ jan

[BC DEX]

Ahhhh ... The Dixie Chicks. Freedom of speech...
What they said was nothing compared to what is being said today by
other people in Washington.
Why is it they caught all kinds of crap for saying something, about
whats his name?
But nothing is said about all the name calling today from all the other
people in politics?

[Kay]

Oh geez...

wrote:

> all owned and operated by big corporate interests for corporate interests.
> All this other "liberal press" is a lot of propaganda by the right wing figuring if
> you say it often enough, say it loud enough people will buy any big lie.
> You want to hear REAL liberal media tune in to Air America Radio. That is liberal!!!
> Ingrid
>
> "tim chandler" > wrote:
>
>>As far as getting news from Fox, they *are* the less biased source - anyone
>>who thinks that PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS, NY Times, Wash Post, LA Times, etc. etc.
>>are objective and unbiased and balanced, is really living in a
>>mainstream-media controlled dreamworld.
>
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interesting article discusses how they are going after anyone in Hollywood that is
speaking out. People in hollywood do have more influence than is warranted given
some of them are very close to being morons. it isnt just that an extraordinary lot
of them have never finished high school, but their "lifestyle" is not given to
critical thinking of any kind. as a nation we tend to think pretty kids and people
are smarter than they are. There are exceptions of course, people like Jodie Foster
comes to mind. She is going to Harvard (IIRC).
What is scary is all that adulation and fame goes to their heads and they really
think that qualifies them to be a representative of their people. None of them start
like a typical public servant serving on local school boards, city council etc while
they learn what they must learn. Politics is a great deal more like a team sport
than the star system, so the vast majority are really lousy politicians. The back
room boys like "stars" cause they can walk the walk and talk the talk and really look
the part AND they take direction very well indeed. But I would rather be represented
by a person than a bunch of puppeteers I dont know.
Ingrid

(BC DEX) wrote:

>Ahhhh ... The Dixie Chicks. Freedom of speech...
> What they said was nothing compared to what is being said today by
>other people in Washington.
> Why is it they caught all kinds of crap for saying something, about
>whats his name?
> But nothing is said about all the name calling today from all the other
>people in politics?



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recycled hoo-haa from the Viet Nam era........

>Go ahead and troll all you want. Your arguments make a lot of sense - if
>you're a liberal cut-and-run type. If it were up to people like you, we
>never would have fought - and defeated - Germany, Japan and the Soviet
>Union, and dictatorships around the world would be the order of the day.
>
>We'll both get our chance to vote come November. You can vote for
>socialism, I'm voting for freedom.
>


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[tim chandler]

Yes, I know you care little to nothing about the hundreds of thousands
slaughtered by the North Vietnamese when they finally took over the South.
It was a good cause and a just war, and I honor the memory of my fallen
comrades. They, like me, believed in opposing evil and not just turning
away from it.

You were/are probably one of the "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"
crowd. Funny how you all never quoted the next line: "Why, then, the war
will come to you!"

Just like Kerry, you probably believe that we should wait until terrorists
strike us again and then respond, instead of pre-emptive strikes.

> wrote in message
...
> recycled hoo-haa from the Viet Nam era........
>
> >Go ahead and troll all you want. Your arguments make a lot of sense - if
> >you're a liberal cut-and-run type. If it were up to people like you, we
> >never would have fought - and defeated - Germany, Japan and the Soviet
> >Union, and dictatorships around the world would be the order of the day.
> >
> >We'll both get our chance to vote come November. You can vote for
> >socialism, I'm voting for freedom.
> >
>
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[Gary]

how many people do we kill and how many countries do we "pre-emptive"?
is this how you teach? "pre-emptive" diplomacy lol


"tim chandler" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, I know you care little to nothing about the hundreds of thousands
> slaughtered by the North Vietnamese when they finally took over the South.
> It was a good cause and a just war, and I honor the memory of my fallen
> comrades. They, like me, believed in opposing evil and not just turning
> away from it.
>
> You were/are probably one of the "What if they gave a war and nobody
came?"
> crowd. Funny how you all never quoted the next line: "Why, then, the war
> will come to you!"
>
> Just like Kerry, you probably believe that we should wait until terrorists
> strike us again and then respond, instead of pre-emptive strikes.
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > recycled hoo-haa from the Viet Nam era........
> >
> > >Go ahead and troll all you want. Your arguments make a lot of sense -
if
> > >you're a liberal cut-and-run type. If it were up to people like you,
we
> > >never would have fought - and defeated - Germany, Japan and the Soviet
> > >Union, and dictatorships around the world would be the order of the
day.
> > >
> > >We'll both get our chance to vote come November. You can vote for
> > >socialism, I'm voting for freedom.
> > >
> >
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>
>

[tim chandler]

So you believe we should just sit back and wait to be attacked in this age
of terrorism? We are allowed to respond only *after* terrorists have
targeted and killed innocent civilians? Why are you in sympathy with people
who purposely target innocent civilians? Perhaps the distinction escapes
you? Terrorists attack civilians - we attack terrorists.

The answer is, and you won't like this because of your childish view of the
world, we kill as many terrorists as it takes, and as you so inarticulately
put it, we "pre-emptive" as many countries as it takes, to protect our
country and its citizens.
In the eyes of God we are all equal, but here on earth I'd say one American
life is worth at least a thousand terrorists. I'd certainly kill a thousand
terrorists, or more, if that's what it took to save one American life, even
yours.

"Gary" > wrote in message
...
> how many people do we kill and how many countries do we "pre-emptive"?
> is this how you teach? "pre-emptive" diplomacy lol

[Nedra]

Tim, I come down on your side. All the way.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
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"tim chandler" > wrote in message
...
> So you believe we should just sit back and wait to be attacked in this age
> of terrorism? We are allowed to respond only *after* terrorists have
> targeted and killed innocent civilians? Why are you in sympathy with
people
> who purposely target innocent civilians? Perhaps the distinction escapes
> you? Terrorists attack civilians - we attack terrorists.
>
> The answer is, and you won't like this because of your childish view of
the
> world, we kill as many terrorists as it takes, and as you so
inarticulately
> put it, we "pre-emptive" as many countries as it takes, to protect our
> country and its citizens.
> In the eyes of God we are all equal, but here on earth I'd say one
American
> life is worth at least a thousand terrorists. I'd certainly kill a
thousand
> terrorists, or more, if that's what it took to save one American life,
even
> yours.
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> > how many people do we kill and how many countries do we "pre-emptive"?
> > is this how you teach? "pre-emptive" diplomacy lol
>
>

[Nedra]

Ohhhh No! Not the old Republican vs. Democrat argument! This can never
Ever be
settled. It has been going on since the inception of the United States.
Although granted the Republican party really isn't that old... its agruments
are.

sigh .... let's just agree to disagree... okay?

Nedra


"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Tim, I come down on your side. All the way.
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "tim chandler" > wrote in message
> ...
> > So you believe we should just sit back and wait to be attacked in this
age
> > of terrorism? We are allowed to respond only *after* terrorists have
> > targeted and killed innocent civilians? Why are you in sympathy with
> people
> > who purposely target innocent civilians? Perhaps the distinction
escapes
> > you? Terrorists attack civilians - we attack terrorists.
> >
> > The answer is, and you won't like this because of your childish view of
> the
> > world, we kill as many terrorists as it takes, and as you so
> inarticulately
> > put it, we "pre-emptive" as many countries as it takes, to protect our
> > country and its citizens.
> > In the eyes of God we are all equal, but here on earth I'd say one
> American
> > life is worth at least a thousand terrorists. I'd certainly kill a
> thousand
> > terrorists, or more, if that's what it took to save one American life,
> even
> > yours.
> >
> > "Gary" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > how many people do we kill and how many countries do we "pre-emptive"?
> > > is this how you teach? "pre-emptive" diplomacy lol
> >
> >
>
>

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how many thousands did we slaughter with carpet bombing? how many generations of
children have been poisoned by agent orange? I thought I read that Viet Nam was
bringing charges of war crimes in against the chemical companies making agent orange.

Ingrid

"tim chandler" > wrote:

>Yes, I know you care little to nothing about the hundreds of thousands
>slaughtered by the North Vietnamese when they finally took over the South.
>It was a good cause and a just war, and I honor the memory of my fallen
>comrades. They, like me, believed in opposing evil and not just turning
>away from it.


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you dont seem to understand that terrorism is for the most part an idea, not a state.
We cannot win against the idea unless we provide a better idea, democracy. And we
cant provide that idea by bombing the **** out of innocent people to get to the
terrorists living next door.
READ THE 9/11 REPORT!!!!


"tim chandler" > wrote:
>So you believe we should just sit back and wait to be attacked in this age
>of terrorism?


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