Yellow/green hyacinths: What is going on?

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
plants. Now...

Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.

Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green and
they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.

The Ph, etc seems quite normal.

We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.

We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks without
any noticeable result.

We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
plants.

Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?

We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a bit
of fertilizer. If they green....

Any suggestions?

Jim

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[Jim]

>Why are our hyacinths yellow/green?

Are your koi eating the roots? If so, this could be the cause.

Jim
Zone 8a - Dallas, Texas
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[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Good thought. The wh in the veggie filter are also yellow, so I don't
suspect the koi for them. I will check the roots of the ones in the pond.

Jim

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"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> >Why are our hyacinths yellow/green?
>
> Are your koi eating the roots? If so, this could be the cause.
>
> Jim
> Zone 8a - Dallas, Texas
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> http://community.webshots.com/user/dallas75248

[chagoi]

Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:

> Good thought. The wh in the veggie filter are also yellow, so I don't
> suspect the koi for them. I will check the roots of the ones in the pond.
>
> Jim
>

Jim,
My WH were looking a little yellow, added some potash, not much
improvement, just added so Epsom salt today, waiting to see if if helps

Not sure about the hardness of my water, need to buy more teststrips,
Ammonia < .25
NitrIte < .1
NitrAte ~ 80 (last year NitrAtes were 280+ and WH thrived)
pH 8.2

Try Google rec.ponds for threads on Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate).
Depending on your pH, GH, KH, some time you need a little Magnesium to
help the plants absorb the Potash. It seems that high Hardness levels
can cause a Magnesium deficiency.

/\/\ike
Chagoi
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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

When you think you have WH figured out, it changes.

Same here, problems with WH in the koi pond filter. I've pulled them out
and put them in some MirAcid for a week, not seeing much of an improvement.
Yet, the ones are green in the lily pond with its outrageous pH.... Which
reminds me, I need to go check to see if my water change yesterday helped
at all. ~ jan


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Charles]

On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 13:32:13 -0500, "Jim and Phyllis Hurley"
> wrote:

>Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
>plants. Now...
>
>Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
>
>Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green and
>they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.
>
>The Ph, etc seems quite normal.
>
>We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.
>
>We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks without
>any noticeable result.
>
>We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
>plants.
>
>Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?
>
>We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a bit
>of fertilizer. If they green....
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Jim


Too much sun, perhaps.

We've been observing some at my house and the water garden shop, the
ones in a bit more shade look better.


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-
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[Benign Vanilla]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
...
> Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
> plants. Now...
>
> Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
<snip>

I cannot vouch for the safeness of this, but I did try some miracle grow in
the VF last year. Seemed to help a bit, and had no effect on the fish that I
can tell.

BV.

[Mike Patterson]

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:02:45 GMT, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote:

>
>"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
...
>> Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
>> plants. Now...
>>
>> Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
><snip>
>
>I cannot vouch for the safeness of this, but I did try some miracle grow in
>the VF last year. Seemed to help a bit, and had no effect on the fish that I
>can tell.
>
>BV.
>

VF?
VF...?
vf....?

(lightbulb) A-ha! Veggie Filter!

Another TLA figured out!


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[how]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> I cannot vouch for the safeness of this, but I did try some miracle grow
in
> the VF last year. Seemed to help a bit, and had no effect on the fish that
I
> can tell.
>
> BV.


Hi,
Fertilizing plants in the veggie filter? Why?
L8R -_- how

[Benign Vanilla]

"how" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I cannot vouch for the safeness of this, but I did try some miracle
grow
> in
> > the VF last year. Seemed to help a bit, and had no effect on the fish
that
> I
> > can tell.
> >
> > BV.
>
>
> Hi,
> Fertilizing plants in the veggie filter? Why?

Experimentation for one, and to help them along as my filter is very much
oversized for my pond.

BV.

[steve]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message >...
> Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
> plants. Now...
>
> Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
>
> Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green and
> they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.
>
> The Ph, etc seems quite normal.
>
> We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.
>
> We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks without
> any noticeable result.
>
> We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
> plants.
>
> Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?
>
> We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a bit
> of fertilizer. If they green....
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Jim

Well, you tried the Potash so that is not it. This happens to me too.
I think it is an iron deficiency I would add chelated iron from your
plant nursery store, it last three times longer than normal iron,
other wise smaller doses of normal iron for plants for a few days. Put
the iron in a bowl in your pond or right on top of some of your plants
because it stains cement and linings. Also it turns the water brownish
pink for a day or so an you may have to do a premature cleaning of
your filter. Another thing that I would do is go to Home Depot and get
a few Fruit Tree fertilizer spikes (their cheap), break um up and
throw them in, your plants will say thank you.

[steve]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message >...
> Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
> plants. Now...
>
> Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
>
> Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green and
> they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.
>
> The Ph, etc seems quite normal.
>
> We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.
>
> We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks without
> any noticeable result.
>
> We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
> plants.
>
> Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?
>
> We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a bit
> of fertilizer. If they green....
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Jim

I forgot the dose of iron. I use a table spoon for every five hundred
gallons or so. I does not take much to turn your water a rose/brown
color.

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Thanks for the suggestion. We will try it and report back.

Jim

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"steve" > wrote in message
om...
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
>...
> > Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with
yellow
> > plants. Now...
> >
> > Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
> >
> > Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
and
> > they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.
> >
> > The Ph, etc seems quite normal.
> >
> > We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.
> >
> > We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks
without
> > any noticeable result.
> >
> > We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
> > plants.
> >
> > Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?
> >
> > We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a
bit
> > of fertilizer. If they green....
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Jim
>
> Well, you tried the Potash so that is not it. This happens to me too.
> I think it is an iron deficiency I would add chelated iron from your
> plant nursery store, it last three times longer than normal iron,
> other wise smaller doses of normal iron for plants for a few days. Put
> the iron in a bowl in your pond or right on top of some of your plants
> because it stains cement and linings. Also it turns the water brownish
> pink for a day or so an you may have to do a premature cleaning of
> your filter. Another thing that I would do is go to Home Depot and get
> a few Fruit Tree fertilizer spikes (their cheap), break um up and
> throw them in, your plants will say thank you.

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

The iron is in. Will report.

Jim

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"steve" > wrote in message
om...
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
>...
> > Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with
yellow
> > plants. Now...
> >
> > Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
> >
> > Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
and
> > they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.
> >
> > The Ph, etc seems quite normal.
> >
> > We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.
> >
> > We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks
without
> > any noticeable result.
> >
> > We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
> > plants.
> >
> > Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?
> >
> > We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a
bit
> > of fertilizer. If they green....
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Jim
>
> Well, you tried the Potash so that is not it. This happens to me too.
> I think it is an iron deficiency I would add chelated iron from your
> plant nursery store, it last three times longer than normal iron,
> other wise smaller doses of normal iron for plants for a few days. Put
> the iron in a bowl in your pond or right on top of some of your plants
> because it stains cement and linings. Also it turns the water brownish
> pink for a day or so an you may have to do a premature cleaning of
> your filter. Another thing that I would do is go to Home Depot and get
> a few Fruit Tree fertilizer spikes (their cheap), break um up and
> throw them in, your plants will say thank you.

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

I have added iron several times. I seem some greening of some of the
hyacinths. I will monitor it for a few more days. Then I will try some
fertilizer.

Jim

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"steve" > wrote in message
om...
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
>...
> > Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with
yellow
> > plants. Now...
> >
> > Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
> >
> > Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
and
> > they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.
> >
> > The Ph, etc seems quite normal.
> >
> > We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.
> >
> > We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks
without
> > any noticeable result.
> >
> > We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
> > plants.
> >
> > Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?
> >
> > We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a
bit
> > of fertilizer. If they green....
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Jim
>
> Well, you tried the Potash so that is not it. This happens to me too.
> I think it is an iron deficiency I would add chelated iron from your
> plant nursery store, it last three times longer than normal iron,
> other wise smaller doses of normal iron for plants for a few days. Put
> the iron in a bowl in your pond or right on top of some of your plants
> because it stains cement and linings. Also it turns the water brownish
> pink for a day or so an you may have to do a premature cleaning of
> your filter. Another thing that I would do is go to Home Depot and get
> a few Fruit Tree fertilizer spikes (their cheap), break um up and
> throw them in, your plants will say thank you.

[GD]

Waterhyacinth has difficulty taking up sufficient iron (and magnesium)
at pH over 8; in both case yellow streaking of the leaves may occur.
Supplimenting iron sometimes helps, but lowering pH to make iron that
is already present available to the plants can be much more effective.

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote:

>I have added iron several times. I seem some greening of some of the
>hyacinths. I will monitor it for a few more days. Then I will try some
>fertilizer.
>
>Jim

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Thanks.

Your observation is the more interesting in that I have had plaster of paris
in the pond. I will check the ph. As I think about it, the plaster of
paris is the only change from past years of thriving hyacinths. Can it pust
the ph up?

Jim

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"GD" > wrote in message
...
> Waterhyacinth has difficulty taking up sufficient iron (and magnesium)
> at pH over 8; in both case yellow streaking of the leaves may occur.
> Supplimenting iron sometimes helps, but lowering pH to make iron that
> is already present available to the plants can be much more effective.
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote:
>
> >I have added iron several times. I seem some greening of some of the
> >hyacinths. I will monitor it for a few more days. Then I will try some
> >fertilizer.
> >
> >Jim
>

[GD]

Plaster of paris is a source of carbonates, which contribute to
alkalinity and stabilize pH (at around 8).

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote:

>Thanks.
>
>Your observation is the more interesting in that I have had plaster of paris
>in the pond. I will check the ph. As I think about it, the plaster of
>paris is the only change from past years of thriving hyacinths. Can it pust
>the ph up?
>
>Jim

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Thanks, GD, for the ph information.

Does that mean the ph will be low enough for the hyacinths?

I will check it tomorrow when I bring my kit back from my office.

I looked at the hyacinths in the pond: very few roots...koi food.

The ones on the berm have good root systems...and are greening up faster
than the ones in the pond. Maybe we are looking at iron uptake.

Just for comparison, I put one hyacinth in a laundry basket floating in the
pond and added some tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen). We shall see how that
works. I suspect it will take well to the food!

We have not had any greening problems in years past. The wh has been dark
green all the time.

Jim

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"GD" > wrote in message
...
> Plaster of paris is a source of carbonates, which contribute to
> alkalinity and stabilize pH (at around 8).
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote:
>
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Your observation is the more interesting in that I have had plaster of
paris
> >in the pond. I will check the ph. As I think about it, the plaster of
> >paris is the only change from past years of thriving hyacinths. Can it
pust
> >the ph up?
> >
> >Jim
>

[GD]

pH in the range of 8 is likely tough for waterhyacinth with damaged
roots. When existing roots are in contact with or close to bottom
substrates, including unfiltered mulm, the plants usually fare better
(decomposition generally lowers pH locally). I'd expect improvement
in the laundry basket plant due to fertilization and root protection.


"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote:

>Thanks, GD, for the ph information.
>
>Does that mean the ph will be low enough for the hyacinths?
>
>I will check it tomorrow when I bring my kit back from my office.
>
>I looked at the hyacinths in the pond: very few roots...koi food.
>
>The ones on the berm have good root systems...and are greening up faster
>than the ones in the pond. Maybe we are looking at iron uptake.
>
>Just for comparison, I put one hyacinth in a laundry basket floating in the
>pond and added some tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen). We shall see how that
>works. I suspect it will take well to the food!
>
>We have not had any greening problems in years past. The wh has been dark
>green all the time.
>
>Jim

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

We will watch with interest as time goes on. In previous years, the wh ahve
thrived....short roots and all. We are hard pressed to understand this
year. We have a 4 x 8 vf of wh and a 5 x 8 pond leg covered with them, so
we are not talking a very small sample. They did well until about the start
of June...then lightening and yellowing. Tomorrow, ph measure.

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"GD" > wrote in message
...
> pH in the range of 8 is likely tough for waterhyacinth with damaged
> roots. When existing roots are in contact with or close to bottom
> substrates, including unfiltered mulm, the plants usually fare better
> (decomposition generally lowers pH locally). I'd expect improvement
> in the laundry basket plant due to fertilization and root protection.
>
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote:
>
> >Thanks, GD, for the ph information.
> >
> >Does that mean the ph will be low enough for the hyacinths?
> >
> >I will check it tomorrow when I bring my kit back from my office.
> >
> >I looked at the hyacinths in the pond: very few roots...koi food.
> >
> >The ones on the berm have good root systems...and are greening up faster
> >than the ones in the pond. Maybe we are looking at iron uptake.
> >
> >Just for comparison, I put one hyacinth in a laundry basket floating in
the
> >pond and added some tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen). We shall see how
that
> >works. I suspect it will take well to the food!
> >
> >We have not had any greening problems in years past. The wh has been
dark
> >green all the time.
> >
> >Jim
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Hiya Jim,

Guess you missed my posts this spring regarding WH and pH? My experience
has been they do poorly when the pH goes over 8.5. Add a little salt to an
over 8 pH and I think it makes it even tougher on them.

Anyway, regarding the ones you're pulling out with little roots on them? I
wouldn't put them in with fertilizer, put plain tab water. Nitrates retard
new root growth (found this out from an experiment my son & I did for his
science class, tap water versus pond water and plant cuttings) had to
consult with the local extension agent of what was going on. My own
experiments this spring on the sickly pH stressed WH, the ones I put in
unfertilized containers came back, the ones put in containers with MirAcid,
turned to mush. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

>On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:50:07 GMT, GD > wrote:

>pH in the range of 8 is likely tough for waterhyacinth with damaged
>roots. When existing roots are in contact with or close to bottom
>substrates, including unfiltered mulm, the plants usually fare better
>(decomposition generally lowers pH locally). I'd expect improvement
>in the laundry basket plant due to fertilization and root protection.
>
>
>"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote:
>
>>Thanks, GD, for the ph information.
>>
>>Does that mean the ph will be low enough for the hyacinths?
>>
>>I will check it tomorrow when I bring my kit back from my office.
>>
>>I looked at the hyacinths in the pond: very few roots...koi food.
>>
>>The ones on the berm have good root systems...and are greening up faster
>>than the ones in the pond. Maybe we are looking at iron uptake.
>>
>>Just for comparison, I put one hyacinth in a laundry basket floating in the
>>pond and added some tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen). We shall see how that
>>works. I suspect it will take well to the food!
>>
>>We have not had any greening problems in years past. The wh has been dark
>>green all the time.
>>
>>Jim

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Jan,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!

The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.

Jim

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"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> Hiya Jim,
>
> Guess you missed my posts this spring regarding WH and pH? My experience
> has been they do poorly when the pH goes over 8.5. Add a little salt to an
> over 8 pH and I think it makes it even tougher on them.
>
> Anyway, regarding the ones you're pulling out with little roots on them? I
> wouldn't put them in with fertilizer, put plain tab water. Nitrates retard
> new root growth (found this out from an experiment my son & I did for his
> science class, tap water versus pond water and plant cuttings) had to
> consult with the local extension agent of what was going on. My own
> experiments this spring on the sickly pH stressed WH, the ones I put in
> unfertilized containers came back, the ones put in containers with
MirAcid,
> turned to mush. ~ jan
>
> See my ponds and filter design:
> http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website
>
> >On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:50:07 GMT, GD > wrote:
>
> >pH in the range of 8 is likely tough for waterhyacinth with damaged
> >roots. When existing roots are in contact with or close to bottom
> >substrates, including unfiltered mulm, the plants usually fare better
> >(decomposition generally lowers pH locally). I'd expect improvement
> >in the laundry basket plant due to fertilization and root protection.
> >
> >
> >"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks, GD, for the ph information.
> >>
> >>Does that mean the ph will be low enough for the hyacinths?
> >>
> >>I will check it tomorrow when I bring my kit back from my office.
> >>
> >>I looked at the hyacinths in the pond: very few roots...koi food.
> >>
> >>The ones on the berm have good root systems...and are greening up faster
> >>than the ones in the pond. Maybe we are looking at iron uptake.
> >>
> >>Just for comparison, I put one hyacinth in a laundry basket floating in
the
> >>pond and added some tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen). We shall see how
that
> >>works. I suspect it will take well to the food!
> >>
> >>We have not had any greening problems in years past. The wh has been
dark
> >>green all the time.
> >>
> >>Jim
>

[noahsnana]

Has anyone seen a difference adding koi clay?
"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
...
> Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
> plants. Now...
>
> Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
>
> Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
and
> they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.
>
> The Ph, etc seems quite normal.
>
> We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.
>
> We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks without
> any noticeable result.
>
> We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
> plants.
>
> Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?
>
> We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a
bit
> of fertilizer. If they green....
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Jim
>
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>
>

[noahsnana]

Has anyone seen a difference adding koi clay?
"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
...
> Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
> plants. Now...
>
> Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
>
> Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
and
> they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.
>
> The Ph, etc seems quite normal.
>
> We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.
>
> We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks without
> any noticeable result.
>
> We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
> plants.
>
> Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?
>
> We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a
bit
> of fertilizer. If they green....
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Jim
>
> --
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>
>

[chagoi]

noahsnana wrote:

> Has anyone seen a difference adding koi clay?

I added Koi clay to clear the brown water in the 500 gal.(remaining dead
algae after running the UV for the last month). and the WH in that pond
seem to be the worst looking of the 3 ponds.

Unknown if any one thing is a contributing factor.

500 gal ammonia, NitrItes < 2ppm
Ph 7.8
NitrAtes 80-100
3 butterfly koi, 2 shubunkins, 1 Chagoi
1500 GPH pump
3 doses of potash 1/4 cup every 2 weeks
1 cup a month Baking soda
WH in veggie filter Green w/a little yellow
W Lettuce So...So...old plants ugly; new plants loooooking good
Pickel Rush and Black Taro growing well
Canna starting to take off... tubers just planted 3 weeks ago
No Azolla or duckweed
Anacharis amount?

100 gal ammonia, NitrItes < 2ppm
Ph 7.6
NitrAtes 100-120
20 GF and Rosie reds
210 GPH pump
3 doses of potash 1TBSP every 2 weeks
1/4 cup a month Baking soda
some Azolla and duckweed in VF
Anacharis amount?
mossey waterfall

250 gal ammonia, NitrItes < 2ppm
Ph 7.6
NitrAtes 100-120
35 shinner minnows and 6 GF
500 GPH
just setup 3 weeks ago with 150 gal. water from 500 gal pond and 100 gal
tap water
no additional potash or Baking Soda
Anacharis amount?
mossey waterfall
WH in pond Greening nicely
W Lettuce old plants ugly; new plants loooooking good also.
a little Azolla and Duckweed last week and now 6 days later the whole
4' X 6' surface is covered.

*Ding. Ding. Ding. Come and get it.*
*Azolla Snacks are now being served in the "Pondateria"*
As my Italian side might say *Anzolies* (akin to Canolies)

last year my NitrAtes were 250+ and my WH grew 18" tall and 20" in dia

/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com



> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
>>plants. Now...
>>
>>Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
>>
>>Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
>

[chagoi]

noahsnana wrote:

> Has anyone seen a difference adding koi clay?

I added Koi clay to clear the brown water in the 500 gal.(remaining dead
algae after running the UV for the last month). and the WH in that pond
seem to be the worst looking of the 3 ponds.

Unknown if any one thing is a contributing factor.

500 gal ammonia, NitrItes < 2ppm
Ph 7.8
NitrAtes 80-100
3 butterfly koi, 2 shubunkins, 1 Chagoi
1500 GPH pump
3 doses of potash 1/4 cup every 2 weeks
1 cup a month Baking soda
WH in veggie filter Green w/a little yellow
W Lettuce So...So...old plants ugly; new plants loooooking good
Pickel Rush and Black Taro growing well
Canna starting to take off... tubers just planted 3 weeks ago
No Azolla or duckweed
Anacharis amount?

100 gal ammonia, NitrItes < 2ppm
Ph 7.6
NitrAtes 100-120
20 GF and Rosie reds
210 GPH pump
3 doses of potash 1TBSP every 2 weeks
1/4 cup a month Baking soda
some Azolla and duckweed in VF
Anacharis amount?
mossey waterfall

250 gal ammonia, NitrItes < 2ppm
Ph 7.6
NitrAtes 100-120
35 shinner minnows and 6 GF
500 GPH
just setup 3 weeks ago with 150 gal. water from 500 gal pond and 100 gal
tap water
no additional potash or Baking Soda
Anacharis amount?
mossey waterfall
WH in pond Greening nicely
W Lettuce old plants ugly; new plants loooooking good also.
a little Azolla and Duckweed last week and now 6 days later the whole
4' X 6' surface is covered.

*Ding. Ding. Ding. Come and get it.*
*Azolla Snacks are now being served in the "Pondateria"*
As my Italian side might say *Anzolies* (akin to Canolies)

last year my NitrAtes were 250+ and my WH grew 18" tall and 20" in dia

/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com



> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
>>plants. Now...
>>
>>Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.
>>
>>Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
...
> Jan,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!
>
> The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.

Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you simply be
starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
...
> Jan,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!
>
> The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.

Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you simply be
starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.

BV.

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Hi BV,

We wondered if that could be the case...however, we keep feeding the koi and
goldfish and it seems unlikely they would starve with respect to koi waste
food. HOWEVER, the iron has made a difference.

The berm WH are returning to their dark green selves and have begun to
send out daughter plants...normally this happens at a wild rate. With the
yellowing, it essentially stopped.

The (munched-root) WH in the pond are a LOT behind, but some are getting
green streaks in the leaves...a first step.

The munched ones we floated in the tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen) are
slowly greening, about like the ones in the pond.

I infer the yellowing problem was indeed iron as that alone has changed the
WH in the berm. I infer the secondary problem for the pond WH is eaten
roots.

With respect to starving, I infer we did starve them of iron. Regular
potash additions seem to have handled that aspect of things.

Thanks for wrestling with our problem with us.

I am delighted that the pf is doing well for you. Until the yellowing, I
used to cut over a foot a week from the pf in ur u-shaped falls and the two
barrels with it on top.

Jim

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"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jan,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions.
> >
> > I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!
> >
> > The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.
>
> Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you simply
be
> starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
> Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Hi BV,

We wondered if that could be the case...however, we keep feeding the koi and
goldfish and it seems unlikely they would starve with respect to koi waste
food. HOWEVER, the iron has made a difference.

The berm WH are returning to their dark green selves and have begun to
send out daughter plants...normally this happens at a wild rate. With the
yellowing, it essentially stopped.

The (munched-root) WH in the pond are a LOT behind, but some are getting
green streaks in the leaves...a first step.

The munched ones we floated in the tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen) are
slowly greening, about like the ones in the pond.

I infer the yellowing problem was indeed iron as that alone has changed the
WH in the berm. I infer the secondary problem for the pond WH is eaten
roots.

With respect to starving, I infer we did starve them of iron. Regular
potash additions seem to have handled that aspect of things.

Thanks for wrestling with our problem with us.

I am delighted that the pf is doing well for you. Until the yellowing, I
used to cut over a foot a week from the pf in ur u-shaped falls and the two
barrels with it on top.

Jim

--
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"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jan,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions.
> >
> > I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!
> >
> > The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.
>
> Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you simply
be
> starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
> Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.
>
> BV.
>
>

[tim chandler]

I also notice that my WH are much happier in the VF, much greener and with
much longer roots than those in the pond where they are viciously nibbled
at! I switch the yellower, anemic-looking ones in the pond to the VF, and
the ones in the VF to the pond for a while...

Tim C.

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
.. .
> Hi BV,
>
> We wondered if that could be the case...however, we keep feeding the koi
and
> goldfish and it seems unlikely they would starve with respect to koi waste
> food. HOWEVER, the iron has made a difference.
>
> The berm WH are returning to their dark green selves and have begun to
> send out daughter plants...normally this happens at a wild rate. With the
> yellowing, it essentially stopped.
>
> The (munched-root) WH in the pond are a LOT behind, but some are
getting
> green streaks in the leaves...a first step.
>
> The munched ones we floated in the tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen)
are
> slowly greening, about like the ones in the pond.
>
> I infer the yellowing problem was indeed iron as that alone has changed
the
> WH in the berm. I infer the secondary problem for the pond WH is eaten
> roots.
>
> With respect to starving, I infer we did starve them of iron. Regular
> potash additions seem to have handled that aspect of things.
>
> Thanks for wrestling with our problem with us.
>
> I am delighted that the pf is doing well for you. Until the yellowing, I
> used to cut over a foot a week from the pf in ur u-shaped falls and the
two
> barrels with it on top.
>
> Jim
>
> --
> ____________________________________________
> See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
> Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at:
jogathon.net
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Jan,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestions.
> > >
> > > I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!
> > >
> > > The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.
> >
> > Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you
simply
> be
> > starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
> > Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.
> >
> > BV.
> >
> >
>
>

[tim chandler]

I also notice that my WH are much happier in the VF, much greener and with
much longer roots than those in the pond where they are viciously nibbled
at! I switch the yellower, anemic-looking ones in the pond to the VF, and
the ones in the VF to the pond for a while...

Tim C.

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
.. .
> Hi BV,
>
> We wondered if that could be the case...however, we keep feeding the koi
and
> goldfish and it seems unlikely they would starve with respect to koi waste
> food. HOWEVER, the iron has made a difference.
>
> The berm WH are returning to their dark green selves and have begun to
> send out daughter plants...normally this happens at a wild rate. With the
> yellowing, it essentially stopped.
>
> The (munched-root) WH in the pond are a LOT behind, but some are
getting
> green streaks in the leaves...a first step.
>
> The munched ones we floated in the tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen)
are
> slowly greening, about like the ones in the pond.
>
> I infer the yellowing problem was indeed iron as that alone has changed
the
> WH in the berm. I infer the secondary problem for the pond WH is eaten
> roots.
>
> With respect to starving, I infer we did starve them of iron. Regular
> potash additions seem to have handled that aspect of things.
>
> Thanks for wrestling with our problem with us.
>
> I am delighted that the pf is doing well for you. Until the yellowing, I
> used to cut over a foot a week from the pf in ur u-shaped falls and the
two
> barrels with it on top.
>
> Jim
>
> --
> ____________________________________________
> See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
> Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at:
jogathon.net
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Jan,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestions.
> > >
> > > I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!
> > >
> > > The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.
> >
> > Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you
simply
> be
> > starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
> > Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.
> >
> > BV.
> >
> >
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Hi Tim,

We have not had a problem before this year. It may be that our koi were
happy with their catfish food and have a little less this year. Previously,
they nibbled, but did not savage them as this year. We may need to swap
them around. In previous years, we have had a lot of smaller WH in the
pond. This year, we moved a smaller number of 18" hyacinth into the pond.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
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"tim chandler" > wrote in message
...
> I also notice that my WH are much happier in the VF, much greener and with
> much longer roots than those in the pond where they are viciously nibbled
> at! I switch the yellower, anemic-looking ones in the pond to the VF, and
> the ones in the VF to the pond for a while...
>
> Tim C.
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Hi BV,
> >
> > We wondered if that could be the case...however, we keep feeding the koi
> and
> > goldfish and it seems unlikely they would starve with respect to koi
waste
> > food. HOWEVER, the iron has made a difference.
> >
> > The berm WH are returning to their dark green selves and have begun
to
> > send out daughter plants...normally this happens at a wild rate. With
the
> > yellowing, it essentially stopped.
> >
> > The (munched-root) WH in the pond are a LOT behind, but some are
> getting
> > green streaks in the leaves...a first step.
> >
> > The munched ones we floated in the tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen)
> are
> > slowly greening, about like the ones in the pond.
> >
> > I infer the yellowing problem was indeed iron as that alone has changed
> the
> > WH in the berm. I infer the secondary problem for the pond WH is eaten
> > roots.
> >
> > With respect to starving, I infer we did starve them of iron. Regular
> > potash additions seem to have handled that aspect of things.
> >
> > Thanks for wrestling with our problem with us.
> >
> > I am delighted that the pf is doing well for you. Until the yellowing,
I
> > used to cut over a foot a week from the pf in ur u-shaped falls and the
> two
> > barrels with it on top.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --
> > ____________________________________________
> > See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
> > Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at:
> jogathon.net
> >
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Jan,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!
> > > >
> > > > The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.
> > >
> > > Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you
> simply
> > be
> > > starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
> > > Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.
> > >
> > > BV.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Hi Tim,

We have not had a problem before this year. It may be that our koi were
happy with their catfish food and have a little less this year. Previously,
they nibbled, but did not savage them as this year. We may need to swap
them around. In previous years, we have had a lot of smaller WH in the
pond. This year, we moved a smaller number of 18" hyacinth into the pond.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
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"tim chandler" > wrote in message
...
> I also notice that my WH are much happier in the VF, much greener and with
> much longer roots than those in the pond where they are viciously nibbled
> at! I switch the yellower, anemic-looking ones in the pond to the VF, and
> the ones in the VF to the pond for a while...
>
> Tim C.
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Hi BV,
> >
> > We wondered if that could be the case...however, we keep feeding the koi
> and
> > goldfish and it seems unlikely they would starve with respect to koi
waste
> > food. HOWEVER, the iron has made a difference.
> >
> > The berm WH are returning to their dark green selves and have begun
to
> > send out daughter plants...normally this happens at a wild rate. With
the
> > yellowing, it essentially stopped.
> >
> > The (munched-root) WH in the pond are a LOT behind, but some are
> getting
> > green streaks in the leaves...a first step.
> >
> > The munched ones we floated in the tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen)
> are
> > slowly greening, about like the ones in the pond.
> >
> > I infer the yellowing problem was indeed iron as that alone has changed
> the
> > WH in the berm. I infer the secondary problem for the pond WH is eaten
> > roots.
> >
> > With respect to starving, I infer we did starve them of iron. Regular
> > potash additions seem to have handled that aspect of things.
> >
> > Thanks for wrestling with our problem with us.
> >
> > I am delighted that the pf is doing well for you. Until the yellowing,
I
> > used to cut over a foot a week from the pf in ur u-shaped falls and the
> two
> > barrels with it on top.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --
> > ____________________________________________
> > See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
> > Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at:
> jogathon.net
> >
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Jan,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!
> > > >
> > > > The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.
> > >
> > > Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you
> simply
> > be
> > > starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
> > > Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.
> > >
> > > BV.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Rodney Pont]

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:07:12 -0500, Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:

>Hi Tim,
>
>We have not had a problem before this year. It may be that our koi were
>happy with their catfish food and have a little less this year. Previously,
>they nibbled, but did not savage them as this year. We may need to swap
>them around. In previous years, we have had a lot of smaller WH in the
>pond. This year, we moved a smaller number of 18" hyacinth into the pond.

Ours went yellow this year but they have all greened up with a bit of
warmer, sunnier weather. We only have goldfish and they haven't been
nibbling the roots. The PH is stable at 7.2 - 7.4 and we've not added
fertilizer apart from the usual potash.


--
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please send any emails to the address below
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[Rodney Pont]

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:07:12 -0500, Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:

>Hi Tim,
>
>We have not had a problem before this year. It may be that our koi were
>happy with their catfish food and have a little less this year. Previously,
>they nibbled, but did not savage them as this year. We may need to swap
>them around. In previous years, we have had a lot of smaller WH in the
>pond. This year, we moved a smaller number of 18" hyacinth into the pond.

Ours went yellow this year but they have all greened up with a bit of
warmer, sunnier weather. We only have goldfish and they haven't been
nibbling the roots. The PH is stable at 7.2 - 7.4 and we've not added
fertilizer apart from the usual potash.


--
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The from address exists but is mostly dumped,
please send any emails to the address below
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[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Rodney,

Thanks for increasing our knowledge if hyacinths. I infer you think the
weathe may have contributed to the yellowing. That is new for me. Funny
plants aren't they.

Jim

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"Rodney Pont" > wrote in message
news:atcfzvasbuvgflfgrzfygqhx.i1eo3b2.pminews@ihs1 ...
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:07:12 -0500, Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:
>
> >Hi Tim,
> >
> >We have not had a problem before this year. It may be that our koi were
> >happy with their catfish food and have a little less this year.
Previously,
> >they nibbled, but did not savage them as this year. We may need to swap
> >them around. In previous years, we have had a lot of smaller WH in the
> >pond. This year, we moved a smaller number of 18" hyacinth into the
pond.
>
> Ours went yellow this year but they have all greened up with a bit of
> warmer, sunnier weather. We only have goldfish and they haven't been
> nibbling the roots. The PH is stable at 7.2 - 7.4 and we've not added
> fertilizer apart from the usual potash.
>
>
> --
> Regards - Rodney Pont
> The from address exists but is mostly dumped,
> please send any emails to the address below
> e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk
>
>

[Rodney Pont]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:44:36 -0500, Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:

>Rodney,
>
>Thanks for increasing our knowledge if hyacinths. I infer you think the
>weathe may have contributed to the yellowing. That is new for me. Funny
>plants aren't they.
>
Yes I think it was the weather in our case Jim. We had nightime
temperatures of 7 and daytime of 11 (centigrade - 45 and 52 fahrenheit)
for a while and they are tropical plants so it's not that surprising.
They also need 14 hours of daylight so they sometimes die off before it
gets cold here.

--
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please send any emails to the address below
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[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Rodney,

You have added another piece of information. I had never heard a number of
hours of light needed. Where did you get the figure? Many of us have tried
holding hyacinth over the winter, only to lose them slowly, even in warmth.
Perhaps longer artificial light would help us. Any other gems of WH
knowledge? Or resources on line?

Jim

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"Rodney Pont" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:44:36 -0500, Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:
>
> >Rodney,
> >
> >Thanks for increasing our knowledge if hyacinths. I infer you think the
> >weathe may have contributed to the yellowing. That is new for me. Funny
> >plants aren't they.
> >
> Yes I think it was the weather in our case Jim. We had nightime
> temperatures of 7 and daytime of 11 (centigrade - 45 and 52 fahrenheit)
> for a while and they are tropical plants so it's not that surprising.
> They also need 14 hours of daylight so they sometimes die off before it
> gets cold here.
>
> --
> Regards - Rodney Pont
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>
>

[Rodney Pont]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:12:03 -0500, Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:

>Rodney,
>
>You have added another piece of information. I had never heard a number of
>hours of light needed. Where did you get the figure? Many of us have tried
>holding hyacinth over the winter, only to lose them slowly, even in warmth.
>Perhaps longer artificial light would help us. Any other gems of WH
>knowledge? Or resources on line?

I thought I got it from this group :-)

If not it would have been in the Practical Fishkeeping magazine in the
UK. Wherever I got the information from also said that you needed very
bright artificial lighting to overwinter it. I suspect the 14 hours is
for the UK and if you are further south and get brighter sunlight they
may need less. I think they also need six hours direct sun a day to
flower (at least at our latitude) and we don't get that here due to a
30 foot cherry tree.

Longer or brighter lighting may well help you to overwinter them but
they do need a lot of it and it's likely to cost a lot more than
replacing them every season although some T5 fluorescent tubes may not
be too bad to run.

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[Rodney Pont]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:12:03 -0500, Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:

>Rodney,
>
>You have added another piece of information. I had never heard a number of
>hours of light needed. Where did you get the figure? Many of us have tried
>holding hyacinth over the winter, only to lose them slowly, even in warmth.
>Perhaps longer artificial light would help us. Any other gems of WH
>knowledge? Or resources on line?

This site has some details on how they overwintered them

http://www.colorbat.com/hold_over.htm

They did survive but only just.

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[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Rodney,

Thanks for the reference. I am newly encouraged by the way our WH survive
the Southern winter by floating in the pond with plastic over them. The
leaves and some plants die back, but lots come right back in the spring. If
they are not frozen in ice (temp gets LOWER that 32 degrees) they mostly
make it. In the spring we strip the dead leaves and toss the remainder back
in. They grow well.

Cheaper than lights!

Jim

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"Rodney Pont" > wrote in message
news:atcfzvasbuvgflfgrzfygqhx.i1hqlf1.pminews@ihs1 ...
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:12:03 -0500, Jim and Phyllis Hurley wrote:
>
> >Rodney,
> >
> >You have added another piece of information. I had never heard a number
of
> >hours of light needed. Where did you get the figure? Many of us have
tried
> >holding hyacinth over the winter, only to lose them slowly, even in
warmth.
> >Perhaps longer artificial light would help us. Any other gems of WH
> >knowledge? Or resources on line?
>
> This site has some details on how they overwintered them
>
> http://www.colorbat.com/hold_over.htm
>
> They did survive but only just.
>
> --
> Regards - Rodney Pont
> The from address exists but is mostly dumped,
> please send any emails to the address below
> e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk
>
>

[YAhoo]

I also have found that hyacinth like to be crowed. If they are just
floating in the pond that is sometimes a problem. In the wild they will
root into the edge of the water and grow out from there.
If you take one or two of the larger ones and stick them into a pot, no dirt
needed just rocks at the bottom to anchor, and then let the babies grow from
that, they do well. My sister lives in Michigan and her weather has not
been really warm this summer and hers are still green. This way too you can
tuck a pondtab into the pot.

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
. ..
> Hi Tim,
>
> We have not had a problem before this year. It may be that our koi were
> happy with their catfish food and have a little less this year.
Previously,
> they nibbled, but did not savage them as this year. We may need to swap
> them around. In previous years, we have had a lot of smaller WH in the
> pond. This year, we moved a smaller number of 18" hyacinth into the pond.
>
> Jim
>
> --
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> "tim chandler" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I also notice that my WH are much happier in the VF, much greener and
with
> > much longer roots than those in the pond where they are viciously
nibbled
> > at! I switch the yellower, anemic-looking ones in the pond to the VF,
and
> > the ones in the VF to the pond for a while...
> >
> > Tim C.
> >
> > "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > > Hi BV,
> > >
> > > We wondered if that could be the case...however, we keep feeding the
koi
> > and
> > > goldfish and it seems unlikely they would starve with respect to koi
> waste
> > > food. HOWEVER, the iron has made a difference.
> > >
> > > The berm WH are returning to their dark green selves and have
begun
> to
> > > send out daughter plants...normally this happens at a wild rate. With
> the
> > > yellowing, it essentially stopped.
> > >
> > > The (munched-root) WH in the pond are a LOT behind, but some are
> > getting
> > > green streaks in the leaves...a first step.
> > >
> > > The munched ones we floated in the tomato fertilizer (low
nitrogen)
> > are
> > > slowly greening, about like the ones in the pond.
> > >
> > > I infer the yellowing problem was indeed iron as that alone has
changed
> > the
> > > WH in the berm. I infer the secondary problem for the pond WH is
eaten
> > > roots.
> > >
> > > With respect to starving, I infer we did starve them of iron. Regular
> > > potash additions seem to have handled that aspect of things.
> > >
> > > Thanks for wrestling with our problem with us.
> > >
> > > I am delighted that the pf is doing well for you. Until the
yellowing,
> I
> > > used to cut over a foot a week from the pf in ur u-shaped falls and
the
> > two
> > > barrels with it on top.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
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> > >
> > > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in
message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Jan,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming
up!
> > > > >
> > > > > The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.
> > > >
> > > > Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you
> > simply
> > > be
> > > > starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
> > > > Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.
> > > >
> > > > BV.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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