first post ...baby fish

[lrpiam]

Greetings fellow ponders, this is my first post. My wife and i are in
our second year with our pond that I dug and constructed using a
rubber liner and Purifalls filter and a regular submersible pump. It
is kidney shaped, with it's dimensions being 7'x7'x10'x 18" deep. In
the pond we have 3 shebunkin, 2 goldfish( recently lost a 3rd to a
coon or a bird) and a catfish. Yesterday my wife discovered 2 baby
fish swimming about , 1 appears to be a shebunkin the other appears to
be a goldfish. Now for the questions as I learned a little about the
birds and bees, but not very much about fish.
1) will he babys be eaten by the other fish?
2) if so, how can we protect them
3) do these fish live bear or are they hatched outside?
4) can the 2 fish be cross breeds or are they from seperate births?

thanks for your replies
lrpiam

[George]

"lrpiam" > wrote in message
om...
> Greetings fellow ponders, this is my first post. My wife and i are in
> our second year with our pond that I dug and constructed using a
> rubber liner and Purifalls filter and a regular submersible pump. It
> is kidney shaped, with it's dimensions being 7'x7'x10'x 18" deep. In
> the pond we have 3 shebunkin, 2 goldfish( recently lost a 3rd to a
> coon or a bird) and a catfish. Yesterday my wife discovered 2 baby
> fish swimming about , 1 appears to be a shebunkin the other appears to
> be a goldfish. Now for the questions as I learned a little about the
> birds and bees, but not very much about fish.
> 1) will he babys be eaten by the other fish?

Yes, when very small unless they have some place where they can hide, such as
rocks or plants.

> 2) if so, how can we protect them
> 3) do these fish live bear or are they hatched outside?

They are egg layers, I think.

> 4) can the 2 fish be cross breeds or are they from seperate births?
>
> thanks for your replies
> lrpiam

I would say that they are probably from separate births. You can tell the males
from the female adults like this: When viewing the fish from above, the females
will appear fat, while the males will appear slender. Send us a link to some
pictures.

[Phisherman]

On 12 Jul 2004 03:34:42 -0700, (lrpiam) wrote:

>Greetings fellow ponders, this is my first post. My wife and i are in
>our second year with our pond that I dug and constructed using a
>rubber liner and Purifalls filter and a regular submersible pump. It
>is kidney shaped, with it's dimensions being 7'x7'x10'x 18" deep. In
>the pond we have 3 shebunkin, 2 goldfish( recently lost a 3rd to a
>coon or a bird) and a catfish. Yesterday my wife discovered 2 baby
>fish swimming about , 1 appears to be a shebunkin the other appears to
>be a goldfish. Now for the questions as I learned a little about the
>birds and bees, but not very much about fish.

>1) will he babys be eaten by the other fish?

Maybe.

>2) if so, how can we protect them

Lot of hiding places, plants.

>3) do these fish live bear or are they hatched outside?

Goldfish lay eggs, up to 10,000 of them at any given spawning (There
should be more than just two fry, unless most of them have already
been eaten.)

>4) can the 2 fish be cross breeds or are they from seperate births?

Probably from the same batch.

[SVTKate]

" George" > wrote in message

*Snip*
When viewing the fish from above, the females
| will appear fat, while the males will appear slender.


****Sigh!*****
Some thing NEVER change!
;¬D
Kate

[Benign Vanilla]

"lrpiam" > wrote in message
om...
<snip>
> 1) will he babys be eaten by the other fish?

To a point. Some fish prefer fish, some don't. I can say my Koi and Goldies
avoid the fry in the pond. They'll swim right through a herd of 'em and just
push them out of the way. Considering that I had hundreds of fry this year,
something IS eating them. I expect the two bullfrogs I've seen are the
culprits/

> 2) if so, how can we protect them

If you are having spawnings in your pond, don't sweat protection. Yer gonna
have more fish then you can eventually. Let natural selection take its
course and help keep the numbers down.

> 3) do these fish live bear or are they hatched outside?

Eggs are laid typically in the roots of plants and other areas around the
pond edge. The males then do their best to ferterlize using a broadcast
spreader method.

> 4) can the 2 fish be cross breeds or are they from seperate births?

Koi and Goldies (I don't know about others) will cross breed and create
sterile donkey koigoldfish.

BV.

[George]

"SVTKate" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> " George" > wrote in message
>
> *Snip*
> When viewing the fish from above, the females
> | will appear fat, while the males will appear slender.
>
>
> ****Sigh!*****
> Some thing NEVER change!
> ;¬D
> Kate
>

No pun (or insult) intended.

[lrpiam]

(lrpiam) wrote in message >...
> Greetings fellow ponders, this is my first post. My wife and i are in
> our second year with our pond that I dug and constructed using a
> rubber liner and Purifalls filter and a regular submersible pump. It
> is kidney shaped, with it's dimensions being 7'x7'x10'x 18" deep. In
> the pond we have 3 shebunkin, 2 goldfish( recently lost a 3rd to a
> coon or a bird) and a catfish. Yesterday my wife discovered 2 baby
> fish swimming about , 1 appears to be a shebunkin the other appears to
> be a goldfish. Now for the questions as I learned a little about the
> birds and bees, but not very much about fish.
> 1) will he babys be eaten by the other fish?
> 2) if so, how can we protect them
> 3) do these fish live bear or are they hatched outside?
> 4) can the 2 fish be cross breeds or are they from seperate births?
>
> thanks for your replies
> lrpiam

take a peek at my little pond and thanks for your replies
http://homepage.mac.com/lpasciutti/My_Pond_Pics/PhotoAlbum7.html

[Charles]

On 12 Jul 2004 03:34:42 -0700, (lrpiam) wrote:

>Greetings fellow ponders, this is my first post. My wife and i are in
>our second year with our pond that I dug and constructed using a
>rubber liner and Purifalls filter and a regular submersible pump. It
>is kidney shaped, with it's dimensions being 7'x7'x10'x 18" deep. In
>the pond we have 3 shebunkin, 2 goldfish( recently lost a 3rd to a
>coon or a bird) and a catfish. Yesterday my wife discovered 2 baby
>fish swimming about , 1 appears to be a shebunkin the other appears to
>be a goldfish. Now for the questions as I learned a little about the
>birds and bees, but not very much about fish.
>1) will he babys be eaten by the other fish?
>2) if so, how can we protect them
>3) do these fish live bear or are they hatched outside?
>4) can the 2 fish be cross breeds or are they from seperate births?
>
>thanks for your replies
>lrpiam


Shubunkins are goldfish, just a different color. They don't care
about color. Much like black dogs and brown dogs, just dogs.

If you have found them swimming around, they are probably past the
stage where they might be eaten. Goldfish will eat all the eggs they
can find, and when the eggs hatch and the fry are still hanging on the
sides of the pond, or plants, they are considered fair game, Once
they have begun to swim like fish should, the parents leave them
alone, for the most part. there is always a chance for a larger fish
to take a liking to the smaller ones, but usually the big ones leave
the little ones alone.

I did have a problem with different batches of fry, the ones about two
months older than the newest batch thought they were good and ate the
whole batch.

You probably started with a few hundred, to a few thousand fry. Be
glad they all didn't live.


--

- Charles
-
-does not play well with others

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>When viewing the fish from above, the females
>| will appear fat, while the males will appear slender.
>
>****Sigh!*****
>Some thing NEVER change!
>;¬D
>Kate
>
Don't worry Kate, like they say, we may notice the famine first, but we'll
last longer. ;-) ~ jan
(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On 12 Jul 2004 20:35:16 -0700, (lrpiam) wrote:

>take a peek at my little pond and thanks for your replies
>http://homepage.mac.com/lpasciutti/My_Pond_Pics/PhotoAlbum7.html

Really nice, and nice slide show layout. ~ jan
(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[CRC]

Are shubunkins black when young or are they colored??? I am hoping I have
baby shubunkins but who can tell when they dart around so fast your lucky if
you just got a glimpse?

Thanks for all of your help...A pond is always a work in progress.
Connie

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Good questions, I've seen tiny shubunkins that have color, but I can't say
if right out of the egg they were colored, or all white or all black.

Now my koi fry hatch out all white, and start getting noticable colors at
about 1/2 inch.

My question is, does a black koi start out white and turn black or does it
hatch black and stay black? ~ jan

>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:08:46 -0600, "CRC" > wrote:

>Are shubunkins black when young or are they colored??? I am hoping I have
>baby shubunkins but who can tell when they dart around so fast your lucky if
>you just got a glimpse?
>
>Thanks for all of your help...A pond is always a work in progress.
>Connie
>

(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Gail Futoran]

"CRC" > wrote in message
...
> Are shubunkins black when young or are they colored??? I
am hoping I have
> baby shubunkins but who can tell when they dart around so
fast your lucky if
> you just got a glimpse?
>
> Thanks for all of your help...A pond is always a work in
progress.
> Connie

I had two baby goldfish last year that I thought at
first were minnows (the dark gray ones) until the babies
started to show some color. Now one is
white with orange markings, the other is a
pure red-gold. Yet both started out very dark.
I think you can't tell what color(s) they're going
to be until they get a bit bigger.

Gail

[CRC]

Thanks for your informative answers..I'll just keep watching the little
rascals. I thought I had a spawning koi, the guys chased her, she layed on
the bottom of the pond and they chased some more, but I didn's see any of
the signs you spoke about. So, maybe she is just round and always hungry.
Gosh, I did not know a koi started out white..The great things you learn in
this group is amazing.
cr