UV/Filter & water still green!

[SkyCatcher]

Hi,

I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond if
still filled with green gloopy algae.

What more can I do to sort this out?

Help!

[Lostin1999]

"SkyCatcher" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond if
> still filled with green gloopy algae.
>
> What more can I do to sort this out?
>
> Help!
>
>

where is your pump in relation to filter outlet?

how is your pond fed? is it a liner or natural?

is it string algae (blanket weed to UKers)?

how fast are you pumping it through the UV?

where is the UV in relationship to pump and filter?

how much sun does your pond get?

for an approx 3000 gallon pond, id expect it to take longer than 2 weeks to
clear.. also might be worth slowing down the flow through the UV..

if its string algae (blanket weed) it will NOT be affected by the UV or the
Filter (it could however block your pump's impellor)

how old is the pond? how long has it been "green slop"?

recommend shading it a bit if in full sun.. and maybe introducing duck weed
(and many other floating plants...) to starve the algae of light and use up
some of the nutrients the algae is feeding off..

really need a LOT more info to really offer help...

BTW what GPH (LPH) is the pump? what Bio filter media are you using? what
wattage is the UV?

TIA

Lost

[Go Fig]

In article >,
SkyCatcher > wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond if
> still filled with green gloopy algae.

What unit is this, how many watts ? Sounds like the quartz sleeve
needs cleaning.

jay
Tue Jul 13, 2004



>
> What more can I do to sort this out?
>
> Help!
>
>

[Stephen M. Henning]

"SkyCatcher" > wrote:

> I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond if
> still filled with green gloopy algae.

UV filters only work on clean water. The UV can't penetrate cloudy
water. Hence it takes a long time for a UV filter to catch up with a
pond full of green water. Also, if the water flows too fast, the UV
doesn't work at all.

I have solved my green water problem with no UV, no filter and no pump.
I use lots of marginal and oxygenator plants, a bale of barley straw and
snails. The algae is all gone and my water lilies are just beginning to
shade the water. My marginal plants and lilies are all planted in pure
clay with no nutrients. There are enough nutrients in the water that
everything is doing fine.

I have a 20,000 gallon pond (17'x47'x2'-4') with just minnows, no Koi.
I put my filter plants directly in the pond rather than in a special
veggie filter. My pond is spring fed, so I need fairly aggressive
filter plants. The pond has stone wall sides (old swimming pool) but I
have greenhouse benches under the water around the outside so I can use
marginals or under water plants.

--
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[SkyCatcher]

"Lostin1999" > wrote in message
...
>
> "SkyCatcher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> > appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond if
> > still filled with green gloopy algae.
> >
> > What more can I do to sort this out?
> >
> > Help!
> >
> >
>
> where is your pump in relation to filter outlet?

it is in the same side as the return fromthe filter - perhaps I need tomove
it to the furtherest away point?

>
> how is your pond fed? is it a liner or natural?

its a closed system which & is sealed concrete

>
> is it string algae (blanket weed to UKers)?

well I've never seen blanket weed so I don't know. Its clumpy and goey!

>
> how fast are you pumping it through the UV?

according to the pump it would be at about 4500l/h at the height the filter
is at.

>
> where is the UV in relationship to pump and filter?

the UV is attached to the filter - it is a heissner unit (filter & UV)

>
> how much sun does your pond get?

it is in full sun (not hat we get much here in the North of the UK)!

>
> for an approx 3000 gallon pond, id expect it to take longer than 2 weeks
to
> clear.. also might be worth slowing down the flow through the UV..

I expected a few weeks but it seems to be getting worse!

>
> if its string algae (blanket weed) it will NOT be affected by the UV or
the
> Filter (it could however block your pump's impellor)

the flow seems to be the same from the pump but I'll check the impellor

>
> how old is the pond? how long has it been "green slop"?

I inherited the pond with the house about 3 months ago & it has always been
green but it is getting worse!

>
> recommend shading it a bit if in full sun.. and maybe introducing duck
weed
> (and many other floating plants...) to starve the algae of light and use
up
> some of the nutrients the algae is feeding off..

I've added marginals & floaters & lilys to help with this

>
> really need a LOT more info to really offer help...
>
> BTW what GPH (LPH) is the pump?

it is a Lotus 7500

what Bio filter media are you using? bio balls (the knobly oplastic type)

what
> wattage is the UV? 18W


>
> TIA
>
> Lost
>
>

thanks for your help...

[SkyCatcher]

The UV is 18w heissner unit

I cleaned the quartz sleeve when I changed the bulb. It was coated in
limescale (& I mean coated)


"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> SkyCatcher > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> > appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond if
> > still filled with green gloopy algae.
>
> What unit is this, how many watts ? Sounds like the quartz sleeve
> needs cleaning.
>
> jay
> Tue Jul 13, 2004
>
>
>
> >
> > What more can I do to sort this out?
> >
> > Help!
> >
> >

[Go Fig]

In article >,
SkyCatcher > wrote:

> The UV is 18w heissner unit
>
> I cleaned the quartz sleeve when I changed the bulb. It was coated in
> limescale (& I mean coated)

I know what you mean, I soak them in the product 'Lime-Away'.

I think if you have moderate sun exposure, you will need closer to
30-40 watts for that many liters.

jay
Tue Jul 13, 2004



>
>
> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > SkyCatcher > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> > > appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond if
> > > still filled with green gloopy algae.
> >
> > What unit is this, how many watts ? Sounds like the quartz sleeve
> > needs cleaning.
> >
> > jay
> > Tue Jul 13, 2004
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What more can I do to sort this out?
> > >
> > > Help!
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

[Lostin1999]

> > >
> > > I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> > > appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond
if
> > > still filled with green gloopy algae.
> > >
> > > What more can I do to sort this out?
> > >
> > > Help!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > where is your pump in relation to filter outlet?
>
> it is in the same side as the return fromthe filter - perhaps I need
tomove
> it to the furtherest away point?
>
> >
> > how is your pond fed? is it a liner or natural?
>
> its a closed system which & is sealed concrete
>
> >
> > is it string algae (blanket weed to UKers)?
>
> well I've never seen blanket weed so I don't know. Its clumpy and goey!
>
> >
> > how fast are you pumping it through the UV?
>
> according to the pump it would be at about 4500l/h at the height the
filter
> is at.
>
> >
> > where is the UV in relationship to pump and filter?
>
> the UV is attached to the filter - it is a heissner unit (filter & UV)
>
> >
> > how much sun does your pond get?
>
> it is in full sun (not hat we get much here in the North of the UK)!
>
> >
> > for an approx 3000 gallon pond, id expect it to take longer than 2 weeks
> to
> > clear.. also might be worth slowing down the flow through the UV..
>
> I expected a few weeks but it seems to be getting worse!
>
> >
> > if its string algae (blanket weed) it will NOT be affected by the UV or
> the
> > Filter (it could however block your pump's impellor)
>
> the flow seems to be the same from the pump but I'll check the impellor
>
> >
> > how old is the pond? how long has it been "green slop"?
>
> I inherited the pond with the house about 3 months ago & it has always
been
> green but it is getting worse!
>
> >
> > recommend shading it a bit if in full sun.. and maybe introducing duck
> weed
> > (and many other floating plants...) to starve the algae of light and use
> up
> > some of the nutrients the algae is feeding off..
>
> I've added marginals & floaters & lilys to help with this
>
> >
> > really need a LOT more info to really offer help...
> >
> > BTW what GPH (LPH) is the pump?
>
> it is a Lotus 7500
>
> what Bio filter media are you using? bio balls (the knobly oplastic type)
>
> what
> > wattage is the UV? 18W
>
>
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Lost
> >
> >
>
> thanks for your help...
>
Hi Skycatcher...

from the info supplied.. ill see what info I can supply (I'm a relatively
new ponder though, so listen to others too)

so far you seem to be doing things right, if its blanket weed it will be
easy to poke a small bamboo and twist it around it, if it comes out all
binding on the stick its probably blanket weed (only way to remove is either
keep spiralling sticks or to use chemicals (I always advise avoiding
chemicals until a last resort)

your flow rate is WAY too fast over your uv, and id suggest at full sun
(when we do get it) your UV is actually less than half the size it should be
(I have 1000 gallons and advised I need 30W minimum (I've got a 9 watt at
the moment left over from the smaller pond, but when finances allow it will
be going up to a 45W (I always go higher than recommended)

add some oxegenator plants..

get a lettuce, (round type) beat hell out of it in a plastic bag (well
bruise it a lot) and put in a bucket of pond water, when the lettuce starts
looking slimy, introduce the water to the filter (this is called infusoria
(sp) and is a great natural way of getting algae eating "aqua plankton" into
your pond..

id suggest halving the flow to your UV and letting the rest of the flow
create water movement..

your pump is really too small for your pond (to clear it) but ok to keep it
clear once its clear..

the UV will not work well on blanket weed, it will clean "pea soup green
water" but at this size very slowly..

some of this is assumptions, most people say you need to circulate 100%
pond volume per hour (means you need a 12000LPH pump) you (as your in full
sun) need a 18000L Filter and probably a 100W UV

however these are guidelines (and often for people who want to keep Koi and
such)

I think the key here is patience and a few good practice tips

is the filter a "pressurised" filter (below water level) or the "stock tank"
type? (I've never used a pressurised (although may be moving that way in
the spring of next year))

also duck weed (surface plant that breeds like wildfire, covers the surface
(creating shade that kills off the algae)) is a great plant (and when you
want to get rid, just put in some Carp (ghost carp in mine (just the one)
loves the stuff (free food for an age too). but the key problem you have is
the algae so we will do our best to sort this problem first..

BTW I'm in S/E UK and we getting very little sun considering its summer
too..

HTH

Lost

[SkyCatcher]

Hi Lost,

would a major water change help speed up the process if it is not blancket
weed?

The filter/UV are the recommended by heissner for this size of pond (they
come as a unit/kit) and I don't even have fish yet! I hope once it gets
clear (fingers crossed) that it will be able to keep it clear.

I'll try the lettuce though - I like those types of methods.

thanks

sky


"Lostin1999" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> > > >
> > > > I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> > > > appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the
pond
> if
> > > > still filled with green gloopy algae.
> > > >
> > > > What more can I do to sort this out?
> > > >
> > > > Help!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > where is your pump in relation to filter outlet?
> >
> > it is in the same side as the return fromthe filter - perhaps I need
> tomove
> > it to the furtherest away point?
> >
> > >
> > > how is your pond fed? is it a liner or natural?
> >
> > its a closed system which & is sealed concrete
> >
> > >
> > > is it string algae (blanket weed to UKers)?
> >
> > well I've never seen blanket weed so I don't know. Its clumpy and goey!
> >
> > >
> > > how fast are you pumping it through the UV?
> >
> > according to the pump it would be at about 4500l/h at the height the
> filter
> > is at.
> >
> > >
> > > where is the UV in relationship to pump and filter?
> >
> > the UV is attached to the filter - it is a heissner unit (filter & UV)
> >
> > >
> > > how much sun does your pond get?
> >
> > it is in full sun (not hat we get much here in the North of the UK)!
> >
> > >
> > > for an approx 3000 gallon pond, id expect it to take longer than 2
weeks
> > to
> > > clear.. also might be worth slowing down the flow through the UV..
> >
> > I expected a few weeks but it seems to be getting worse!
> >
> > >
> > > if its string algae (blanket weed) it will NOT be affected by the UV
or
> > the
> > > Filter (it could however block your pump's impellor)
> >
> > the flow seems to be the same from the pump but I'll check the impellor
> >
> > >
> > > how old is the pond? how long has it been "green slop"?
> >
> > I inherited the pond with the house about 3 months ago & it has always
> been
> > green but it is getting worse!
> >
> > >
> > > recommend shading it a bit if in full sun.. and maybe introducing
duck
> > weed
> > > (and many other floating plants...) to starve the algae of light and
use
> > up
> > > some of the nutrients the algae is feeding off..
> >
> > I've added marginals & floaters & lilys to help with this
> >
> > >
> > > really need a LOT more info to really offer help...
> > >
> > > BTW what GPH (LPH) is the pump?
> >
> > it is a Lotus 7500
> >
> > what Bio filter media are you using? bio balls (the knobly oplastic
type)
> >
> > what
> > > wattage is the UV? 18W
> >
> >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Lost
> > >
> > >
> >
> > thanks for your help...
> >
> Hi Skycatcher...
>
> from the info supplied.. ill see what info I can supply (I'm a relatively
> new ponder though, so listen to others too)
>
> so far you seem to be doing things right, if its blanket weed it will be
> easy to poke a small bamboo and twist it around it, if it comes out all
> binding on the stick its probably blanket weed (only way to remove is
either
> keep spiralling sticks or to use chemicals (I always advise avoiding
> chemicals until a last resort)
>
> your flow rate is WAY too fast over your uv, and id suggest at full sun
> (when we do get it) your UV is actually less than half the size it should
be
> (I have 1000 gallons and advised I need 30W minimum (I've got a 9 watt at
> the moment left over from the smaller pond, but when finances allow it
will
> be going up to a 45W (I always go higher than recommended)
>
> add some oxegenator plants..
>
> get a lettuce, (round type) beat hell out of it in a plastic bag (well
> bruise it a lot) and put in a bucket of pond water, when the lettuce
starts
> looking slimy, introduce the water to the filter (this is called
infusoria
> (sp) and is a great natural way of getting algae eating "aqua plankton"
into
> your pond..
>
> id suggest halving the flow to your UV and letting the rest of the flow
> create water movement..
>
> your pump is really too small for your pond (to clear it) but ok to keep
it
> clear once its clear..
>
> the UV will not work well on blanket weed, it will clean "pea soup green
> water" but at this size very slowly..
>
> some of this is assumptions, most people say you need to circulate 100%
> pond volume per hour (means you need a 12000LPH pump) you (as your in full
> sun) need a 18000L Filter and probably a 100W UV
>
> however these are guidelines (and often for people who want to keep Koi
and
> such)
>
> I think the key here is patience and a few good practice tips
>
> is the filter a "pressurised" filter (below water level) or the "stock
tank"
> type? (I've never used a pressurised (although may be moving that way in
> the spring of next year))
>
> also duck weed (surface plant that breeds like wildfire, covers the
surface
> (creating shade that kills off the algae)) is a great plant (and when you
> want to get rid, just put in some Carp (ghost carp in mine (just the one)
> loves the stuff (free food for an age too). but the key problem you have
is
> the algae so we will do our best to sort this problem first..
>
> BTW I'm in S/E UK and we getting very little sun considering its summer
> too..
>
> HTH
>
> Lost
>
>
>

[Lostin1999]

Hi Sky

Major water changes usually lead TO green water..

remember green water isn't usually unhealthy, Just unsightly...

Another (slow but natural) "cure" is Daphnia.. you can actually Buy eggs
online.. http://www.netfysh.com/quickshop/index.html and these also create a
good source of fish food (for when you do want to install fish)

My recommendation for now is to shade as much of the pond as you can.. (old
bed sheets? Gazebo??) and id also re check your UV as the pond is so badly
algaefied (is that a word?) it might be that the sleeve thing needs cleaning
again..

get 2 buckets, fill one up with water from the pond, and one with water
from the filter return...

compare the water (glass jam jar is brill for this) if both look the same,
the filter is not filtering.. then id recommend turning the UV off and
allow the filter to fill with the "good" bacteria that breaks down waste...
(a month of running without the uv should sort this) and start clearing the
water..

then when you turn the UV back on it will all clear over a week or two (like
magic)...

it certainly sounds like the Filter is not "optimal"

you can buy filter "enzymes" to speed this process up (or ask anyone you
know with a pond for a bit of there filter gunk (syphon a little water from
bottom of there filter tank (the really dirty stuff)) and put that in your
filter)

HTH

Lost






"SkyCatcher" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Lost,
>
> would a major water change help speed up the process if it is not blancket
> weed?
>
> The filter/UV are the recommended by heissner for this size of pond (they
> come as a unit/kit) and I don't even have fish yet! I hope once it gets
> clear (fingers crossed) that it will be able to keep it clear.
>
> I'll try the lettuce though - I like those types of methods.
>
> thanks
>
> sky
>
>
> "Lostin1999" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> > > > > appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the
> pond
> > if
> > > > > still filled with green gloopy algae.
> > > > >
> > > > > What more can I do to sort this out?
> > > > >
> > > > > Help!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > where is your pump in relation to filter outlet?
> > >
> > > it is in the same side as the return fromthe filter - perhaps I need
> > tomove
> > > it to the furtherest away point?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > how is your pond fed? is it a liner or natural?
> > >
> > > its a closed system which & is sealed concrete
> > >
> > > >
> > > > is it string algae (blanket weed to UKers)?
> > >
> > > well I've never seen blanket weed so I don't know. Its clumpy and
goey!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > how fast are you pumping it through the UV?
> > >
> > > according to the pump it would be at about 4500l/h at the height the
> > filter
> > > is at.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > where is the UV in relationship to pump and filter?
> > >
> > > the UV is attached to the filter - it is a heissner unit (filter & UV)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > how much sun does your pond get?
> > >
> > > it is in full sun (not hat we get much here in the North of the UK)!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > for an approx 3000 gallon pond, id expect it to take longer than 2
> weeks
> > > to
> > > > clear.. also might be worth slowing down the flow through the UV..
> > >
> > > I expected a few weeks but it seems to be getting worse!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > if its string algae (blanket weed) it will NOT be affected by the UV
> or
> > > the
> > > > Filter (it could however block your pump's impellor)
> > >
> > > the flow seems to be the same from the pump but I'll check the
impellor
> > >
> > > >
> > > > how old is the pond? how long has it been "green slop"?
> > >
> > > I inherited the pond with the house about 3 months ago & it has always
> > been
> > > green but it is getting worse!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > recommend shading it a bit if in full sun.. and maybe introducing
> duck
> > > weed
> > > > (and many other floating plants...) to starve the algae of light and
> use
> > > up
> > > > some of the nutrients the algae is feeding off..
> > >
> > > I've added marginals & floaters & lilys to help with this
> > >
> > > >
> > > > really need a LOT more info to really offer help...
> > > >
> > > > BTW what GPH (LPH) is the pump?
> > >
> > > it is a Lotus 7500
> > >
> > > what Bio filter media are you using? bio balls (the knobly oplastic
> type)
> > >
> > > what
> > > > wattage is the UV? 18W
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > Lost
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > thanks for your help...
> > >
> > Hi Skycatcher...
> >
> > from the info supplied.. ill see what info I can supply (I'm a
relatively
> > new ponder though, so listen to others too)
> >
> > so far you seem to be doing things right, if its blanket weed it will
be
> > easy to poke a small bamboo and twist it around it, if it comes out all
> > binding on the stick its probably blanket weed (only way to remove is
> either
> > keep spiralling sticks or to use chemicals (I always advise avoiding
> > chemicals until a last resort)
> >
> > your flow rate is WAY too fast over your uv, and id suggest at full sun
> > (when we do get it) your UV is actually less than half the size it
should
> be
> > (I have 1000 gallons and advised I need 30W minimum (I've got a 9 watt
at
> > the moment left over from the smaller pond, but when finances allow it
> will
> > be going up to a 45W (I always go higher than recommended)
> >
> > add some oxegenator plants..
> >
> > get a lettuce, (round type) beat hell out of it in a plastic bag (well
> > bruise it a lot) and put in a bucket of pond water, when the lettuce
> starts
> > looking slimy, introduce the water to the filter (this is called
> infusoria
> > (sp) and is a great natural way of getting algae eating "aqua plankton"
> into
> > your pond..
> >
> > id suggest halving the flow to your UV and letting the rest of the flow
> > create water movement..
> >
> > your pump is really too small for your pond (to clear it) but ok to keep
> it
> > clear once its clear..
> >
> > the UV will not work well on blanket weed, it will clean "pea soup
green
> > water" but at this size very slowly..
> >
> > some of this is assumptions, most people say you need to circulate 100%
> > pond volume per hour (means you need a 12000LPH pump) you (as your in
full
> > sun) need a 18000L Filter and probably a 100W UV
> >
> > however these are guidelines (and often for people who want to keep Koi
> and
> > such)
> >
> > I think the key here is patience and a few good practice tips
> >
> > is the filter a "pressurised" filter (below water level) or the "stock
> tank"
> > type? (I've never used a pressurised (although may be moving that way
in
> > the spring of next year))
> >
> > also duck weed (surface plant that breeds like wildfire, covers the
> surface
> > (creating shade that kills off the algae)) is a great plant (and when
you
> > want to get rid, just put in some Carp (ghost carp in mine (just the
one)
> > loves the stuff (free food for an age too). but the key problem you
have
> is
> > the algae so we will do our best to sort this problem first..
> >
> > BTW I'm in S/E UK and we getting very little sun considering its
summer
> > too..
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Lost
> >
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>

[Go Fig]

In article >, Lostin1999
> wrote:

> get 2 buckets, fill one up with water from the pond, and one with water
> from the filter return...
>
> compare the water (glass jam jar is brill for this) if both look the same,
> the filter is not filtering..

I would not use this as a method for UV effectiveness, it doesn¹t
change the color, it effects their DNA.

> then id recommend turning the UV off and
> allow the filter to fill with the "good" bacteria that breaks down waste...
> (a month of running without the uv should sort this) and start clearing the
> water..

If there is a nitrate problem, that is another thing. I doubt it
though with no fish. The food source for the suspended algae is
probably phosphates, cultured bacteria will not effect these levels.
Floating plants; WH and lettuce are the best for this. A recent study
from Thailand said that the lettuce were in fact the most efficient at
waste removal.

This pond just doesn¹t have enough UV.

TMC of the UK have made for years and years the very best UVs.

http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/Pond/pondclear.asp

This is the very best unit on the market IMHO ;-)

http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/Pond/pro-add.asp

jay
Wed Jul 14, 2004

[Lostin1999]

"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Lostin1999
> > wrote:
>
> > get 2 buckets, fill one up with water from the pond, and one with
water
> > from the filter return...
> >
> > compare the water (glass jam jar is brill for this) if both look the
same,
> > the filter is not filtering..
>
> I would not use this as a method for UV effectiveness, it doesn¹t
> change the color, it effects their DNA.

i was using it to prove FILTERS effectiveness.. the UV is a seperate
entity, however a lot of people buy a filter with uv plug it all in and off
it goes, as the water enering the filter is "sterile" there is little
chance for the filter to "stock good bacteria".

as to the UV.. it will clear it, just takeing longer... and like ive said
if its Blanket weed, the UV will NOT do anything...

>
> > then id recommend turning the UV off and
> > allow the filter to fill with the "good" bacteria that breaks down
waste...
> > (a month of running without the uv should sort this) and start clearing
the
> > water..
>
> If there is a nitrate problem, that is another thing. I doubt it
> though with no fish. The food source for the suspended algae is
> probably phosphates, cultured bacteria will not effect these levels.
> Floating plants; WH and lettuce are the best for this. A recent study
> from Thailand said that the lettuce were in fact the most efficient at
> waste removal.
>
> This pond just doesn¹t have enough UV.
>
> TMC of the UK have made for years and years the very best UVs.
>
> http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/Pond/pondclear.asp
>
> This is the very best unit on the market IMHO ;-)
>
> http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/Pond/pro-add.asp
>
> jay
> Wed Jul 14, 2004
>

[Go Fig]

In article >, Lostin1999
> wrote:

> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Lostin1999
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > get 2 buckets, fill one up with water from the pond, and one with
> water
> > > from the filter return...
> > >
> > > compare the water (glass jam jar is brill for this) if both look the
> same,
> > > the filter is not filtering..
> >
> > I would not use this as a method for UV effectiveness, it doesn¹t
> > change the color, it effects their DNA.
>
> i was using it to prove FILTERS effectiveness..

To remove suspended algae from the water column, you either need 500
lbs of #16 sand or a 40 micron filter.


> the UV is a seperate
> entity, however a lot of people buy a filter with uv plug it all in and off
> it goes, as the water enering the filter is "sterile" there is little
> chance for the filter to "stock good bacteria".

The kill rate on higher organisms like Nitrobacter and Nitrosomonas is
very poor at these flow rates.

jay
Wed Jul 14, 2004




>
> as to the UV.. it will clear it, just takeing longer... and like ive said
> if its Blanket weed, the UV will NOT do anything...
>
> >
> > > then id recommend turning the UV off and
> > > allow the filter to fill with the "good" bacteria that breaks down
> waste...
> > > (a month of running without the uv should sort this) and start clearing
> the
> > > water..
> >
> > If there is a nitrate problem, that is another thing. I doubt it
> > though with no fish. The food source for the suspended algae is
> > probably phosphates, cultured bacteria will not effect these levels.
> > Floating plants; WH and lettuce are the best for this. A recent study
> > from Thailand said that the lettuce were in fact the most efficient at
> > waste removal.
> >
> > This pond just doesn¹t have enough UV.
> >
> > TMC of the UK have made for years and years the very best UVs.
> >
> > http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/Pond/pondclear.asp
> >
> > This is the very best unit on the market IMHO ;-)
> >
> > http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/Pond/pro-add.asp
> >
> > jay
> > Wed Jul 14, 2004
> >
>
>

[Rodney Pont]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:46:51 +0100, SkyCatcher wrote:

>> > I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
>> > appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond if
>> > still filled with green gloopy algae.

'green gloopy' sounds like string algae or blanket weed. A UV can't
help with this at all, it can only help with the water born algae. Is
the water itself clear?

I'm in North Yorkshire and the weather here hasn't been warm enough to
get the plants going and I suspect you may have the same problem. The
blanket weed did start off exceptionally well this year but I used some
Nishikoi Goodbye Blanket Weed in May and that got rid of it all in a
few weeks and it hasn't returned. If you try it you should fish out the
dead weed otherwise it will just rot and start the cycle again.

I'm not a fan of the UV. I prefer plants and potash to battle algae and
we simply don't get the water born algae that a UV would be useful for.
Seeing it is a useful tool for water condition in my opinion. String
algae is always a problem until the plants get going but I will use
goodbye blanket weed in future for that.

You can get goodbye blanket weed from http://www.aquatics-online.co.uk/
select 'Ponds', then 'Pond Medicines, Cures & Water Treatments' and you
will see it listed. You might need three tubs for your size of pond but
at least that will get you free carriage :-)

Plants are really the answer but with temperatures as low as nightime
of 7 and daytime at 11 these tropical floaters don't really stand much
chance. The water hyacinth and lettuce are just hanging on waiting for
the summer.


--
Regards - Rodney Pont
The from address exists but is mostly dumped,
please send any emails to the address below
e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk

[SkyCatcher]

Thanks for the tips - I'll investigate these options...


"Rodney Pont" > wrote in message
news:atcfzvasbuvgflfgrzfygqhx.i0w8kl0.pminews@ihs1 ...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:46:51 +0100, SkyCatcher wrote:
>
> >> > I have a 12000L pond with plants & NO fish. The filter/pump/UV are
> >> > appropriately sized & I changed the UV bulb 2 week ago - AND the pond
if
> >> > still filled with green gloopy algae.
>
> 'green gloopy' sounds like string algae or blanket weed. A UV can't
> help with this at all, it can only help with the water born algae. Is
> the water itself clear?
>
> I'm in North Yorkshire and the weather here hasn't been warm enough to
> get the plants going and I suspect you may have the same problem. The
> blanket weed did start off exceptionally well this year but I used some
> Nishikoi Goodbye Blanket Weed in May and that got rid of it all in a
> few weeks and it hasn't returned. If you try it you should fish out the
> dead weed otherwise it will just rot and start the cycle again.
>
> I'm not a fan of the UV. I prefer plants and potash to battle algae and
> we simply don't get the water born algae that a UV would be useful for.
> Seeing it is a useful tool for water condition in my opinion. String
> algae is always a problem until the plants get going but I will use
> goodbye blanket weed in future for that.
>
> You can get goodbye blanket weed from http://www.aquatics-online.co.uk/
> select 'Ponds', then 'Pond Medicines, Cures & Water Treatments' and you
> will see it listed. You might need three tubs for your size of pond but
> at least that will get you free carriage :-)
>
> Plants are really the answer but with temperatures as low as nightime
> of 7 and daytime at 11 these tropical floaters don't really stand much
> chance. The water hyacinth and lettuce are just hanging on waiting for
> the summer.
>
>
> --
> Regards - Rodney Pont
> The from address exists but is mostly dumped,
> please send any emails to the address below
> e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk
>
>