Are Koi just giant goldfish ?

[Ed]

Are they giant goldfish or are they carp ?

[Ka30P]

Ed me wrote regarding koi
>>Are they giant goldfish or are they carp ?<<

Koi are carp - Cyprinus carpio


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[Ed]

Is Koi just a fancy name for something I could catch in a pond nearby
?
And will goldfish grow up to be Koi/Carp ?




On 15 Jul 2004 23:49:54 GMT, (Ka30P) wrote:

>
>Ed me wrote regarding koi
>>>Are they giant goldfish or are they carp ?<<
>
>Koi are carp - Cyprinus carpio
>
>
>kathy :-)
>algae primer
>http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[Ka30P]

Goldfish will not grow up to be
koi, they'll just get to be really
big goldfish ;-) I think the high
end of their range would be about
eight inches.

Your nearby pond probably has run of the mill
plain old carp. But.... folks have been known to dump excess pond fish in
natural waterways. They shouldn't do it but they do. Recently a boy caught an
ornamental koi out of the Columbia River here (one very big river).
So you never know what you find in your local pond.
Like tiny toy poodles and great danes are all dogs, koi are basically carp,
like all carp, but really pretty carp, bred to look that way.
The first gorgeous colored versions of koi probably happened in Japan in the
19th century when rice farmers, who were raising them for food, noticed a
mutation (according to various web sources - we have real experts here in
rec.ponds who can give you much more extensive information - and there are
pages of pictures out there on the web if you want to experience severe koi
envy ;-)



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[Bob Koerber]

Ka30P wrote:

>Goldfish will not grow up to be
>koi, they'll just get to be really
>big goldfish ;-) I think the high
>end of their range would be about
>eight inches.
>
>Your nearby pond probably has run of the mill
>plain old carp. But.... folks have been known to dump excess pond fish in
>natural waterways. They shouldn't do it but they do. Recently a boy caught an
>ornamental koi out of the Columbia River here (one very big river).
>So you never know what you find in your local pond.
>Like tiny toy poodles and great danes are all dogs, koi are basically carp,
>like all carp, but really pretty carp, bred to look that way.
>The first gorgeous colored versions of koi probably happened in Japan in the
>19th century when rice farmers, who were raising them for food, noticed a
>mutation (according to various web sources - we have real experts here in
>rec.ponds who can give you much more extensive information - and there are
>pages of pictures out there on the web if you want to experience severe koi
>envy ;-)
>
>
>
>kathy :-)
>algae primer
>http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html
>
>


We have a lake here in the city of Huntsville and the other day something caught my eye when it jumped out of the water I looked over and it jumped again it was a goldfish at leat 15 pounds! So they can get big when released in the wild.

Bob

[Tom L. La Bron]

Ed,

The Goldfish is a thousand years of domestication from
the Crucian Carp (Carassius carassius). During the
late 1800's people who were classify the animal kingdom
decided that there was enough change in the Goldfish to
give it is own designation Carassius auratus.

KOI (which is the Japanese word for Carp) is Cyprinus
carpio, which actually originated in the Black Sea area
and eastwards to Turkestan. The KOI came to Japan via
Germany, where it was already in cultivation as a food
source, as a protein source to supplement the diet of
the inhabitants of the hill regions of Japan where rice
paddies and growing are a major industry.

Needless to say, they are both carp, just different
species. And the Goldfish is a relative of Carassius
carassius.

HTH

Tom L.L.
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Ed wrote:

> Is Koi just a fancy name for something I could catch in a pond nearby
> ?
> And will goldfish grow up to be Koi/Carp ?
>
>
>
>
> On 15 Jul 2004 23:49:54 GMT, (Ka30P) wrote:
>
>
>>Ed me wrote regarding koi
>>
>>>>Are they giant goldfish or are they carp ?<<
>>
>>Koi are carp - Cyprinus carpio
>>
>>
>>kathy :-)
>>algae primer
>>http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html
>
>

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

They are close enough to cross-breed, but far enough that I gather the
crosses are sterile. Haven't had that happen in my pond...babies just don't
seem to make it to adulthood.

Jim

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"Tom L. La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Ed,
>
> The Goldfish is a thousand years of domestication from
> the Crucian Carp (Carassius carassius). During the
> late 1800's people who were classify the animal kingdom
> decided that there was enough change in the Goldfish to
> give it is own designation Carassius auratus.
>
> KOI (which is the Japanese word for Carp) is Cyprinus
> carpio, which actually originated in the Black Sea area
> and eastwards to Turkestan. The KOI came to Japan via
> Germany, where it was already in cultivation as a food
> source, as a protein source to supplement the diet of
> the inhabitants of the hill regions of Japan where rice
> paddies and growing are a major industry.
>
> Needless to say, they are both carp, just different
> species. And the Goldfish is a relative of Carassius
> carassius.
>
> HTH
>
> Tom L.L.
> ---------------------------------------
> Ed wrote:
>
> > Is Koi just a fancy name for something I could catch in a pond nearby
> > ?
> > And will goldfish grow up to be Koi/Carp ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15 Jul 2004 23:49:54 GMT, (Ka30P) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Ed me wrote regarding koi
> >>
> >>>>Are they giant goldfish or are they carp ?<<
> >>
> >>Koi are carp - Cyprinus carpio
> >>
> >>
> >>kathy :-)
> >>algae primer
> >>http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html
> >
> >

[Stephen M. Henning]

No. The Cyprinidae, the Carp family, includes goldfish and koi.

Goldfish = Carassius auratus

Koi = Cyprinus carpio

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[Karen Mullen]

In article >, "Jim and Phyllis
Hurley" > writes:

>They are close enough to cross-breed, but far enough that I gather the
>crosses are sterile. Haven't had that happen in my pond...babies just don't
>seem to make it to adulthood.

I think I had this happen last year. I had a monster fish show up at feeding,
still brown/grey and HUGE, looks like a koi, but I don't see whiskers. He's
got to be a cross as he's twice the size of my biggest 7 year old goldfish.

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