Greening of hyacinths continues; iron seems to be the issue; experiments continue

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

Our hyacinths continue to move from yellow to green on the berm. In the
pond, the greening is much less. Additions: only iron.

We noted that some of our other plants were also yellowing. They too may be
short on iron.

The hyacinths in a tub of water with a little iron and a little fertilizer
have not changed noticeably, although there was a big algae bloom for a
couple of days. Not sure what to conclude from that. Maybe those hyacinth
were too far gone.

We added some tomato fertilizer last night. Will watch that for a few days
to see if there is a significant change.

The ph is still 9, so that does not seem to preclude the greening.

Overall, it seems the iron was the issue.

Jim

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[Benign Vanilla]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
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<snip>
> Overall, it seems the iron was the issue.
<snip>

Jim,

Where'd you get the iron? And what form is it in?

BV.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
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>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> . ..
> <snip>
> > Overall, it seems the iron was the issue.
> <snip>
>
> Jim,
>
> Where'd you get the iron? And what form is it in?
>
> BV.
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I've been using Ironite for years although some say it's not safe. The way
our fish are breeding it has to be safe. It doesn't affect the tadpoles
either. They turn into perfect little frogs and toads. They thrive in the
same water where Ironite is used in the pots.
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[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

We too use Ironite. Easy and, apparently, effective.

Jim

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"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> . ..
> <snip>
> > Overall, it seems the iron was the issue.
> <snip>
>
> Jim,
>
> Where'd you get the iron? And what form is it in?
>
> BV.
>
>

[CRC]

Hi, a gardner told me to spray the leaves of my plants w/a tbs of epsom
salts to a gal of water and that would green up my plants...do you think I
could use it on the pond plants without hurting my fish?
CR

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CRC wrote:
> Hi, a gardner told me to spray the leaves of my plants w/a tbs of
epsom
> salts to a gal of water and that would green up my plants...do you
think I
> could use it on the pond plants without hurting my fish?
> CR

Not only safe but recomended, Epsom Salts are Magnesium Sulfate...
after NPK Iron and Magnesium (Sulfer is in the list too) are the two
most required elements, the three that most affect Greening of leaves
are in order Nitrogen Iron Magsesium...

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

When adding those (Nitrogen Iron Magsesium) thru a man-made product they
are usually in an easier form for the plants to uptake, if the pH wasn't
high >8.4, imho, the plants would be green on what is in the water column.
Course it is always YMMV depending on your water and where you live. :o)
~ jan


>CRC wrote:
>> Hi, a gardner told me to spray the leaves of my plants w/a tbs of epsom
>> salts to a gal of water and that would green up my plants...do you think I
>> could use it on the pond plants without hurting my fish?
>> CR
>
>Not only safe but recomended, Epsom Salts are Magnesium Sulfate...
>after NPK Iron and Magnesium (Sulfer is in the list too) are the two
>most required elements, the three that most affect Greening of leaves
>are in order Nitrogen Iron Magsesium... ajames54

(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ Windsong ~]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
...
> We too use Ironite. Easy and, apparently, effective.
>
> Jim
=======================
I also use it in the garden and the earthworms are thriving.
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[~ Windsong ~]

"CRC" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, a gardner told me to spray the leaves of my plants w/a tbs of epsom
> salts to a gal of water and that would green up my plants...do you think I
> could use it on the pond plants without hurting my fish?
> CR
============================
Yes. I add a heaping TBS of Epsom Salts per 1000 gals of water every month
to my ponds.
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[CRC]

Thanks..I'll give it a try
CR

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

We have not tried epsom salt. I will wait a bit to see how the tomato
fertilizer does and then add some epson. Makes the pond a bit of a coctail!

J

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"CRC" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, a gardner told me to spray the leaves of my plants w/a tbs of epsom
> salts to a gal of water and that would green up my plants...do you think I
> could use it on the pond plants without hurting my fish?
> CR
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

> wrote:

>We have not tried epsom salt. I will wait a bit to see how the tomato
>fertilizer does and then add some epson. Makes the pond a bit of a coctail!
>J
Hopefully the fish won't be stressed out thinking they're being
pre-seasoned (as in for dinner). ;o) ~ jan


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Jim and Phyllis Hurley]

My kids keep making noises about how the koi are table sized now.

I laugh in response...threateningly!

Jim

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"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote:
>
> >We have not tried epsom salt. I will wait a bit to see how the tomato
> >fertilizer does and then add some epson. Makes the pond a bit of a
coctail!
> >J
> Hopefully the fish won't be stressed out thinking they're being
> pre-seasoned (as in for dinner). ;o) ~ jan
>
>
> (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Crashj]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message >...
> My kids keep making noises about how the koi are table sized now.
> I laugh in response...threateningly!

Tell them about Jonathan Swift's *other* little essay,
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

"A Modest Proposal"
--
Crashj

[Phyllis and Jim Hurley]

Today we did a 25% water change...and let it fill back very slowly.

The small hyacinth simply haven't come back...in the pond or in the floating
basket with fertilizer...tho the algae like the fertilizer. The berm
hyacinth are clearly coming back to green.

We will try the epson salt next.

Jim
"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > We too use Ironite. Easy and, apparently, effective.
> >
> > Jim
> =======================
> I also use it in the garden and the earthworms are thriving.
> --
> Carol....
> ~~<~~<~~{@
> "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
> http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

[steve]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message >...
> We too use Ironite. Easy and, apparently, effective.
>
> Jim
>
> --
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>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > <snip>
> > > Overall, it seems the iron was the issue.
> > <snip>
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Where'd you get the iron? And what form is it in?
> >
> > BV.
> >
> >

Is Ironite messy?, does it turn your water brown and clog up the
filtration? My box of iron (not ironite) was doing that and I have
been pleasantly surprised when I used some organic iron chelate for
plants and my pond did not cloud up at all, the only negative is it is
expensive for just a little bit.

[Phyllis and Jim Hurley]

It is in a pelletized and dissolves easily. The water in our pond showed no
change. It is, however, tea colored.

Jim


"steve" > wrote in message
om...
> "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
>...
> > We too use Ironite. Easy and, apparently, effective.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --
> > ____________________________________________
> > See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
> > Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at:
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> >
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > <snip>
> > > > Overall, it seems the iron was the issue.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Where'd you get the iron? And what form is it in?
> > >
> > > BV.
> > >
> > >
>
> Is Ironite messy?, does it turn your water brown and clog up the
> filtration? My box of iron (not ironite) was doing that and I have
> been pleasantly surprised when I used some organic iron chelate for
> plants and my pond did not cloud up at all, the only negative is it is
> expensive for just a little bit.

[steve]

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" > wrote in message >...
> Our hyacinths continue to move from yellow to green on the berm. In the
> pond, the greening is much less. Additions: only iron.
>
> We noted that some of our other plants were also yellowing. They too may be
> short on iron.
>
> The hyacinths in a tub of water with a little iron and a little fertilizer
> have not changed noticeably, although there was a big algae bloom for a
> couple of days. Not sure what to conclude from that. Maybe those hyacinth
> were too far gone.
>
> We added some tomato fertilizer last night. Will watch that for a few days
> to see if there is a significant change.
>
> The ph is still 9, so that does not seem to preclude the greening.
>
> Overall, it seems the iron was the issue.
>
> Jim

Jim what about the epsom salts? sprinkled on the leaves. I will say
that for your hyacinths that with short roots, try the chelated stuff.
Add it sparingly once a week because my plants went from yellow/ green
to dark green two weeks later. The Chelated growmore organic 10% stuff
seemed to really make my stuff super green compared to my old iron
ferilizer. You might be deceiving yourself with the epsom salts
because the plants getting iron get in progressivly better shape over
weeks.